The Nineteenth Byte

TuxCopter

8:00 PM

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ Is there a volume #1?

mınxomaτ

@mbomb007 It's the same, but some are missing

mbomb007

Some are missing anyway. There are like 3 plain black images

TuxCopter

@mbomb007 Right click -> Show image/Actualise image

mınxomaτ

These are transparent

TuxCopter

8:01 PM

Worked for me

mbomb007

ohhhh

Thanks

I opened in a new tab

quartata

I'm not sure why that Doorknob picture is in there considering we established that was not Doorknob

mbomb007

bc it's funny

quartata

I hadn't seen that flag one before though. That was great.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

waitbutwhy.com/2016/01/horizontal-history.html

Luis Mendo

8:07 PM

@DJMcMayhem Well, that must be more difficult for your phone, because of non-ASCII chars :-)

@Dennis It's amazing how many languages you re including!

New Main Posts

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Q: Create a version series

The Definition Given an integer x, a version series is a set of digits (base 10) from which any x-length subset of consecutive members is unique compared to all other possible subsets of the same length (a unique "version"). The Task Write a function which, when passed some subset length x, pr...

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Just pushed the updated file to GitHub. Try again. (If that doesn't work, I won't be able to fix it until I get back in a couple hours.)

Luis Mendo

@Dennis BTW Did you consider ArnoldC? I kinda like it but don't even know how to read an integer into a variable :-(

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

This chart what was happening during a certain historical time period. Gives you a perspective.

> Normally, we learn about history’s storylines in isolation. We might have a strong sense of the history of physics breakthroughs or the progression of western philosophical thought or the succession of French rulers—but we’re not as clear on how each of these storylines relate to each other.

> Likewise, I might know that Copernicus began writing his seminal work On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres in Poland in the early 1510s, but by learning that right around that same time in Italy, Michelangelo painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, I get a better picture of the times. By learning that it was right while both of these things were happening that Henry VIII married Catherine of Aragon in England, the 1510s suddenly begins to take on a distinct personality.

Luis Mendo

It's Aragón. Tilde missing :-P

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

8:11 PM

DYK that Hamilton was during mozart's time?

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman Seems to be working.

@LuisMendo My short-term goal is to port all 84 languages from v1 to achieve backwards compatibility. That plus the practical languages I'm adding should pass 100 already. :)

Luis Mendo

That's a lot!

Dennis

@LuisMendo Briefly. So far, I managed to stay away from LOLCODE, Trumpscript, ArnoldC, etc., but I guess there isn't a compelling reason not to add them...

Heh, Paraguay's napping.

trichoplax

Friday's here!

DJMcMayhem

@LuisMendo haha yeah. And unprintables

Dennis

8:19 PM

rebecca.blackfriday

Luis Mendo

Huh? No rickrolling?

Dennis

Way worse.

Waaay worse.

Luis Mendo

Hehe. Well, the song is sticky

TuxCopter

nononononononoNO

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

kinda trippy

@Dennis why is that domain a thing

that's asking for that

Luis Mendo

8:23 PM

^^ Necker cube effect?

TuxCopter

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ my brain is uberbork halp

and I am listening to this friday song at the same time AHHHH

Gabriel Benamy

me: gets a mobile notification from ppcg "this post is being deleted"
me: has no idea the context or whatever and starts to panic

Luis Mendo

A guy is married to his phone

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TuxCopter it's not that bad if you realize it's 2d

Dennis

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Don't ask me. .blue is a bigger mystery imho.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:25 PM

true

Dennis

@GabrielBenamy Sorry. I did leave a comment though.

TuxCopter

@GabrielBenamy Huh? What happened?

Dennis

That should have made it into your inbox. Please tell me if it didn't.

Gabriel Benamy

@Dennis Nah that's okay, I just didn't know which post it was because the mobile app doesn't tell me anything other than the comment

@TuxCopter A bad answer from ~a month ago I never got around to fixing got removed by the moderators

TuxCopter

k

Dennis

8:27 PM

Easy solution: Don't use the mobile app.

I couldn't if I wanted to anyway. No mod support.

El'endia Starman

@Dennis Great.

TimmyD

@ais523 Your edit on an old, closed post radically changes the challenge and invalidates dozens of answers. Boo.

Dennis

Ugh, add serach to the words I can't spell.

Gabriel Benamy

This has not been my week tbh

Dennis

Tfw you want to install a programming languages, and X is one of its dependencies.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:32 PM

> write a function to detemine whether this string is a palindrome
(a) yes
(b) no

41% of people got this problem right

@Dennis X?

Luis Mendo

@Dennis Does CJam actually use SBCS? I thought it was UTF-8

Anonymous

@TimmyD The post was closed, so all bets are off. Answers to a challenge that is closed due to being blatantly too broad or off-topic are moot.

Anonymous

@LuisMendo Usually CJam uses ASCII, though it can theoretically use any encoding scheme that the Java environment knows about

Dennis

@LuisMendo CJam uses whatever is set in LANG. The byte counts are a bit arbitrary right now; many languages can process source code files in different encodings.

Luis Mendo

Thanks both! Clearer now

Dennis

8:35 PM

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Base system for Linux GUIs.

Gabriel Benamy

>customer removes the "Amount" field
>customer creates their own custom currency fields
>customer wonders why none of the features that use the value in the "Amount" field show anything even though, and I quote, "numbers have been implemented".

Dennis

Installing Erlang comes with cursor themes, a modem manager, etc.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis oic

@Dennis ...why

Dennis

Ask Fedora/Erlang.

TuxCopter

@Dennis wtf

Anonymous

8:36 PM

@GabrielBenamy The customer is always wrong

Anonymous

Oh neat I got the code-gold badge

TuxCopter

> code-gold

Anonymous

Time to go close-hammer everything

TuxCopter

brb making tag

Luis Mendo

@TuxCopter Hehe, that's... golfy

@Mego Congrats!!

Anonymous

8:37 PM

Thanks :)

TuxCopter

@LuisMendo goldy FTFY

Dennis

yesterday, by Geobits

@ETHproductions Just remember that everything is a dupenail and you'll be fine :P

Luis Mendo

:-D

Anonymous

@Dennis Exactly! >:D

TimmyD

@Mego So you're okay with just tossing aside dozens of answers on a four year old question? Now that it's been reopened, are you going to individually go flag each answer as invalid?

trichoplax

8:38 PM

Jan 22 '15 at 22:01, by Doorknob

You can look at Programming Puzzles & Code Gold for inspiration. — dmckee Mar 21 '11 at 1:30

Gabriel Benamy

@TimmyD that's the power of the code-gold

Anonymous

@TimmyD Yes, I am fine with that, because those answers were clearly going against the spirit of the challenge. And I may or may not flag every answer myself - that's the beauty of having community moderation.

Anonymous

^ me with the code-gold badge

mınxomaτ

code-gold?

Anonymous

8:40 PM

If someone wants to make a gif of a penguin swinging a hammer I'd love them forever

mınxomaτ

Did you just golf a badge name?

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ Duh

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Mego I'll try

Gabriel Benamy

/[cg]o[dl][ef]/

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

can I do that gif with penguin not mario?

mınxomaτ

8:41 PM

Not animated :(

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ 0/10 no animation

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

can I do that gif with a penguin instead?

TimmyD

@GabrielBenamy godf

Gabriel Benamy

@TimmyD colf

Anonymous

Ooh, even better: gif of King Dedede's final smash KO'ing a homework question

Poke

8:42 PM

@Mego steal it from "Poke the Penguin"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hm

mınxomaτ

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Transpile WordMath Preface We've all seen those online "maths hax" that look like this: Think of a number, divide by 2, multiply by 0, add 8. And, by magic, everyone ends up with the number 8! Language Let's define a programming language which uses the syntax of the text above, called "W...

Gabriel Benamy

LOL

Anonymous

@mınxomaτ 1/10 I don't know why I bother :P

Gabriel Benamy

8:43 PM

now make it rotate clockwise

TuxCopter

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Q: Play a sound, any sound

Your program has to make the computer produce a sound, any sound. Shortest code wins, not sooner than 10 days after the first valid answer. If there is a tie, the one submitted sooner, wins. The program should run on a reasonable, not too uncommon personal computer. Opening a pop-up, message b...

code-golf

Locked. Seriously.

Anonymous

you spin me right round baby right round like a fat penguin with a giant hammer baby right round right round

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mınxomaτ

Gabriel Benamy

no I mean at the same time

mınxomaτ

Everyone's a critic

DJMcMayhem

8:44 PM

This comment is beautiful:

Wait, you got it wrong. The task is to make the computer produce a sound, not the user... though I have to admit that scream was quite impressive... — ceased to turn counterclockwis Dec 3 '12 at 22:51

Yodle

@mınxomaτ you rotate me right round baby right round?

Dennis

@TimmyD I've undone the changes and locked the post. It should have got locked when it was closed the first time.

If the edit made the challenge a good fit for PPCG, it should be posted as a new challenge.

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TuxCopter

security.stackexchange.com/admin.php

20/20 (Assuming you are not an infosec admin)

Yodle

@Dennis And now the new theme of the month will be sound challenges until someone posts one like "Play a sound without sound!"

TimmyD

Play an alphabetical sound.

Poke

8:47 PM

@Mego can probably crop it better... gyazo.com/078c786b65f49d11c48db7a062c89605

Dennis

@Yodle @Mego Start polishing your hammer.

mınxomaτ

@DJMcMayhem That username is oddly relevant

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Mego done!

the homework question is the one from yesterday, about arraylist stuff

mınxomaτ

Is there a "regular done"?

Anonymous

@Dennis I'm ready to swing :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:48 PM

@mınxomaτ yes

but I chose not to use it

TuxCopter

Just deployed Stack Overflow. Have fun, bots: https://t.co/fGt5TECyBO

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on April 13, 2016 at 1:35 AM in reply to Nick_Craver

.-.

Anonymous

@Dennis So blame Alex? :P

Dennis

Blame might be a strong word. My own personal criterion for locking a closed post is 50+ answers or more than 50+ votes on any post.

Gabriel Benamy

Doesn't any language have a 0-byte solution? Pressing the "enter" key to run the empty program should produce a sound from your keyboard

The ultimate polyglot

Dennis

@quartata tio.run/nexus/…

TimmyD

9:01 PM

8 minutes ... Go-go-gadget FGITW.

quartata

@Dennis ew gross main([]) instead of main(_)

But thanks a bundle!

Dennis

@quartata Pulled a random snippet from the internet.

mınxomaτ

@Mego Not gonna lie, I read that in Mark Wahlbergs voice.

Dennis

Of all sites that don't support TLS, erlang.org ought to be one of the most interesting ones. It simply times out.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Gabriel Benamy

9:06 PM

@Mego As I've discovered, my boss is a complete idiot, too

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Q: Parse a raw IRC message

In the IRC protocol, raw messages look similar to this: command arg1 arg2 :arg3 with spaces :arg4 with spaces :arg5 In a shell environment (e.g. bash), that would be equivalent to: command arg1 arg2 "arg3 with spaces" "arg4 with spaces" arg5 The format specification is as follows: Raw mes...

code-golf string parsing

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Q: Manhattan distance of rotation sequence

I though this would be a good challenge : http://adventofcode.com/2016/day/1 Task description Given a sequence of rotations and distances following the pattern (L|R)[1-9][0-9]*, give the manhattan distance between the start and the ending points. Examples For example, if we assume you started...

code-golf

DJMcMayhem

Is it good UI to have two different pages with different functionality but nearly identical design?

Poke

yes? Do you have a more concrete example

Sp3000

Depends how different said functionality is?

DJMcMayhem

One is creating/saving scripts, the other is loading/running scripts

Poke

9:11 PM

The way I'm thinking about it is that you should have a consistent design across a website

DJMcMayhem

Both show the current script, and a list of things to choose from

quartata

@DJMcMayhem I'm getting /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++ when building some parts of UE4Editor, do you know what's up with that?

seems odd

Poke

i feel like as long as the buttons/labels are different enough that i don't mistake one page for the other it should be ok

DJMcMayhem

@Poke it's actually a desktop app, not a website. Maybe "page" was a bad term

Tab is more accurate

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem you're in college/uni, right?

DJMcMayhem

9:13 PM

No. I'm on a gap year right now

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oic, so working?

DJMcMayhem

Yup

I like where I work, because I get to mess around with a bunch of different technologies. I've worked on SQL, C#, C, C++, Python, QT, firmware, and vb.

Right now trying to wrap my head around qt

@quartata No clue, sorry. It was a while ago. I remember I had a lot of issues with libraries but I couldn't say anything beyond that

Luis Mendo

@DJMcMayhem You seem to have forgotten about the function you suggested :-P

in MATL CHATL, Jun 20 at 14:20, by Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Does MATL have a square function? Or do I just have to do 2^?

DJMcMayhem

Lol

I saw your comment, I just hadn't gotten around to updating it yet

Gabriel Benamy

I hate that my company is so small that i have to be tech support instead of programmer

trichoplax

9:21 PM

Maybe you could work on automating the tech support...

flawr

3

@orlp ^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem ELI5? google isn't helpful

quartata

Qt (software)

Qt (/kjuːt/ "cute",) is a cross-platform application framework that is widely used for developing application software that can be run on various software and hardware platforms with little or no change in the underlying codebase, while still being a native application with native capabilities and speed. Qt is currently being developed both by The Qt Company, a company listed on the Nasdaq Helsinki Stock Exchange and the Qt Project under open-source governance, involving individual developers and firms working to advance Qt. Qt is available with both commercial and open source GPL 2.0, GPL 3.0...

ais523

@TimmyD I saw it in the reopen queue; it was clearly flawed as-was but could be made viable via editing (whilst staying in the spirit of what had been asked), and I normally edit-and-reopen for those. I didn't realise it had answers; the reopen queue doesn't show any, and I didn't realise that it intentionally hid answers. Chalk this up to SE's interface sucking, I guess

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, that ^^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

9:28 PM

so it's basically an application that helps make applications multi-platform

quartata

It's just a GUI toolkit

DJMcMayhem

GUIs specifically

quartata

Don't ever trust Wikipedia intros

trichoplax

Does anyone actually pronounce it "cute"?

DJMcMayhem

QML is this weird mix of XML and JS bound to C++ functions

@trichoplax I do

flawr

9:29 PM

@trichoplax *cutie

trichoplax

@flawr That's how I pronounce it, but the "official" way is "cute"

@DJMcMayhem 50% of respondents so far... Do you also say "sequel" for SQL?

quartata

@trichoplax Yes; that's the correct way

trichoplax

@quartata I know they're both correct, but I wondered how practical it was to use the correct way, since they seem easier to confuse with the original word that way

DJMcMayhem

@trichoplax most of the time. Sometimes I say 's' 'q' 'l'

Do you not?

TimmyD

@ais523 That makes sense. I guess I've just gotten used to opening the challenge/answer in a new tab so I have context before taking action on the queue. Precisely because of the lack of context.

trichoplax

9:35 PM

@DJMcMayhem I rarely have need to say it out loud so I guess I'd go with other people's context if ever I needed to talk about it

ais523

I'm actually really annoyed now (at SE, not at anyone here)

Anonymous

@ais523 That was the same logic I used, except I accidentally clicked "leave close" instead of "reopen" in the queue, and manually went to the question to reopen

ais523

actually, I think PPCG would be much better off if all posts started as on hold, and needed to go through the reopen queue…

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trichoplax

I've also got so used to opening the question in a separate tab from the review queue that I'd forgotten what a problem it could be

Anonymous

@ais523 That's kind of the point of the Sandbox, but a) people don't use it, and b) people don't use it right (24 hours is not long enough for the vast majority of challenges)

Dennis

9:36 PM

@ais523 Better than our current sandbox imho.

Anonymous

I wouldn't mind if there was a Sandbox review queue that required 5 "ready" votes to go to main

ais523

I've tried to use the sandbox; it helps but only on a specific form of challenge

trichoplax

@ais523 That might make a good suggestion here:

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Q: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

It has come up several times recently (more than usual) that PPCG differs from most of the other Stack Exchange sites in that it's not a Q&A site. People don't come here to ask a question because they have a problem, people come here to solve recreational challenges. The most valuable contributio...

discussion site-health

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@ais523 10/10

ais523

ooh, I forgot about that thread, it is indeed a good fit

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

9:38 PM

On my checklist:

trichoplax

@ais523 Let us know if you post it - it would get my upvote

Anonymous

This is something we could potentially (partially) implement ourselves. We'd need a sandbox tag, and someone with mod powers to auto-close new questions and slap the tag on there. People with reopen powers could then vote to reopen it if it's ready, and then remove the tag when it's opened (to signify that it's already gone through the process and doesn't need to be closed again).

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

It will at least get my upvote if it is a good suggestion.

Anonymous

However, I can't imagine that would go over well with the SE overlords

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noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

There's also another checkbox about posting a private early beta to TNB b/c FEEDBACK and I trust y'all

Anonymous

9:40 PM

On the plus side though, they might remember we exist

Sp3000

On the one hand I can see how that would help, but on the other hand I'm concerned that that system would introduce certain biases in the types of questions that manage to get reopened

Anonymous

It would require users to be proactive and look through the sandbox-tagged questions list to cast reopen votes, which, based on the current participation levels in the Sandbox, might not work so well

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

@Mego Or, we can code Community to do it. Solely on PPCG (I think). That is, Dennis (and other mods) won't have to go through the repetitive process, while outgolfing others. Community is no golfer :) Or, better suggestion, to customize question-posting so that it automatically gets that tag and closed, without an extra revision.

trichoplax

It would flood the review queue, so it depends how reviewers feel about that...

Anonymous

I only see about a dozen people commenting on sandboxed challenges, which isn't ideal

ais523

9:42 PM

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A: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

A way to refine questions before we can answer them The sandbox feels rather hacky. On all other sites, questions are refined until they make sense but here, we have a problem when existing answers are already posted. A question should be able to go from a draft state to a final state. I don't h...

looks like someone else has posted the generalities, but this is more of a specific proposal for how to implement it

Anonymous

@trichoplax Given that our review queue stays empty most of the time, I don't think it would be much of a problem

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ais523 I'd say answer it anyway

Anonymous

Plus it would help people get review queue badges faster :P

trichoplax

Sounds good all round...

@ais523 I forgot I'd already upvoted that one...

ErikGolferエリックゴルファー

Yeah, answer it anyway, and you might just link to the other answer to say that you explain how it is done (my suggestion is automatic closing as some custom reason, and the only extra revision would have been re-opening).

ais523

9:46 PM

I'm reading through the existing answers atm but I think I'll answer anyway

wtf

wat

Oh, I know why.

what?

> I know there are GUI for git, and they're far more user friendly than git on terminal.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

9:49 PM

@Geobits can you set up marky again?

mınxomaτ

I usually have this thing plugged in at all times. Today I was out and about, basically just taking notes.

TuxCopter

@TuxCopter ಠ_ಠ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mınxomaτ oic

ais523

@TuxCopter I find the GUIs more user-friendly for looking at the data stored inside git, but much worse (and dangerously so) for actually doing write operations to the repository

GitHub's GUI is especially bad, and actively encourages users to screw their repos up

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

which GUI? the browser one?

mınxomaτ

9:50 PM

Or write bad commits.

TuxCopter

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ The Desktop one

trichoplax

TIL you can zoom using ctrl-+ in Notepad++, but it only works with the numpad +, which I don't have on my laptop...

TuxCopter

idk why I capitalized desktop

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

I personally use it, mainly cause my terminal has some lag when it first opens

mınxomaτ

> Hello all, am 48 year man from somalia. Sorry for my bed england. I selled my wife for internet connection for contirbut linux and i want to become the goodest developer like you. I write code with vim. pls no copy pasterino my story.

github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/362

TuxCopter

9:51 PM

WTF

TimmyD

@TuxCopter Not just any ordinary desktop, but The Desktop.

The Desktop™

™

©®

~~ono iz bork~~ fixed

Anonymous

9:53 PM

@ais523 Like how it automatically converts all newlines to \r\n, despite the fact that some mainstream languages (like Python) cannot use CRLF line endings on Linux

TuxCopter

Q_Q It does it with the CLI too for me

ais523

@Mego haha, I didn't even know it did that, I was thinking of much more fundamental brokenness

betseg

According to my calculations, I'll reach 10k rep in 4 years.

mınxomaτ

> the phone oddly started dialing again before I could hang up. A voice answered. It had a British accent and it was reading: “...the moon was shining brightly. The Martians had taken away the excavating-machine…” Apparently, I had somehow called into an audiobook of The War of the Worlds.

theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/…

Anonymous

I made one commit with the GitHub GUI. When I saw what it did to my beautiful code, I burninated it without pushing the commit.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

9:55 PM

what did it do?

ais523

well, I stopped trying to farm rep last week, but I'm still naturally hitting 200 most days without even intending to, and often off fairly uninteresting answers

in general I've discovered that the less thought a question requires to answer, the more upvotes both the question itself and the resulting answers will get

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

ais523

which is a problem as really effort-requiring answers are hardly worth anything rep-wise

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A: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

Start all questions (challenges) as initially on hold (This is a specific proposal for implementing this general idea.) In general, questions get a lot more attention when they're posted on main than when (and if) they're posted on Meta. This includes both answers, and improvements to the quest...

anyway:

trichoplax

Same goes for challenges that took a lot of effort to write, but I'd rather have challenges I'm pleased with than rep

Nathan Merrill

@ais523 the upvotes are caused because the question is easy to answer.

ais523

9:57 PM

hmm, # prefixes don't even turn into bold in the omnibox, they just turn into a normal sentence and make things look grammatically uncorrect

@NathanMerrill yes, it's fairly clear why it happens, but it's still absurd

Nathan Merrill

I would still love a community-voted difficulty rating on challenges

ais523

@trichoplax so far I've posted two challenges; the worse one (one which I wasn't even sure was worth posting) has way more upvotes than the better one and ended up in HNQs for several days, so I can easily believe that

@NathanMerrill just take minus the number of answers it has, (then maybe add the number of deleted answers if you want to make it still more accurate)

trichoplax

It's mostly due to HNQ, but I can't complain too much because lots of us arrived here via HNQ...

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