The Nineteenth Byte

Martin Ender

15:00

1*"Geo"+0*"bits" is also "Geo", because what else would it be

Geobits

Well of course :P

Then again, string multiplication is fairly common. I'm not sure being able to multiply null is.

Lembik

back to a question I asked before

I am interested in if we can make a challenge about of formula minimization for determinant or permanent

Dennis

> 1*"Geo"+0*"bits"
< NaN

Geobits

Also correct. It is not a number.

Martin Ender

@Geobits it's not string multiplication

Lembik

15:03

that is fix a small n and consider an n by n matrix. Can we minimize the number of arithmetic operations to compute the determinant/permanent of the matrix?

Martin Ender

2*"Geo" remains unevaluated

Geobits

@MartinEnder Wait what? What is it doing then?

Lembik

I may need some help from someone to make this challenge work however

anyone interested?

Martin Ender

it's just that 1*x and 0+x are x for almost any x

Geobits

Ah. Weird.

Martin Ender

15:03

and 0*x is 0 for almost any x

for extra fun "Geo"^0 is 1

Geobits

Well that makes sense in that light lol

Martin Ender

ah, forgot one: "Geobits"-"Geobits" is also zero

this stuff works with symbols as well, e.g. While-While

Geobits

Oh eww

I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that language any more, but...

Gabriel Benamy

aloha

Geobits

a...hola?

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

15:13

Hello
Is it allowed here to post a code golf for specific language?

TuxCopter

discouraged but yes you can

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

Which rather challenges the knowledge of the language specification.

In order to solve a specific problem of-course.

Martin Ender

@CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD unless your challenge is tied to the features of a specific language, you're probably better off not limiting it to one language

Geobits

If there's a good reason to limit it, then it does better. For example, if it's about C pointer tricks, etc, it'll do better than "golf this, but in C".

Nathan Merrill

@CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD in either case, post it in the Sandbox

Dennis

15:15

It depends on what the challenge is about. We don't need shortest code for X in language Y for all languages, but some contests only make sense is a small set of languages.

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

What is this Sandbox?

Nathan Merrill

where we refine our challenges: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2140/…

because getting a challenge right is tough

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

Well ok - I guess I'll post it there.

Zacharee1

just ran into a user whose near entire answer base is incorrect

Nathan Merrill

on this site?

Zacharee1

15:18

AU

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

@MartinEnder I don't know if it'll be the same challenge level on any other language then C.

Zacharee1

recommending OP reinstalls the Broadcom driver on a machine that doesn't have a WiFi card in the first place (and Realtek Ethernet), or who has an Intel card

Nathan Merrill

AU?

Zacharee1

Ask Ubuntu

Nathan Merrill

ah

CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD

15:19

In java for example - is it possible to change the type of an already declared variable?

Zacharee1

it looks like he just found something that might be relevant and then answered it a few times

Geobits

@CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD By casting, but only for compatible types.

Well, actually, not really

I read that wrong

Nathan Merrill

@CisNOTthatGOODbutISOisTHATBAD technically, yes. you'll run into an error at runtime

Integer four = 4;
String s = (String)(Object) four;

however, realize that "types" is not well defined in challenges

so doing a challenge that says "change the type" is really tough (if not impossible) to get right

Geobits

I got the impression he meant actually changing the type of variable four, not casting it to another.

I could be wrong.

Nathan Merrill

still, even then, it depends on what you consider "type"

isn't generics all about changing the type anyways?

Geobits

15:23

Yeah, I guess generics could count as that. Maybe.

Nathan Merrill

I don't know of any language with statically declared types that lets you change them

that sounds like an all-around bad idea

Geobits

We'll see what it looks like in the sandbox :)

Nathan Merrill

no, this could be a really good esolang

like, when does this type change happen?

Geobits

I think "static types" is pretty much incompatible with "changing types" though ;)

I mean, if you can change them at will, are they really static?

Nathan Merrill

if they finally resolve at compile time?

mınxomaτ

15:27

Anyone here work / study in physics, we need some guesses as to what this is: reddit.com/r/controllablewebcams/comments/5dyeyx/…

Nathan Merrill

ah, but then that's generics again

also, for the cops and robbers for "make a language that is unusable", somebody should have really created a type system so complex that writing in it was so painful it was unusable

quartata

feersum did something like that actually although I'm not sure if it was for that

I think everything was a template or something cruel like that

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@flawr ~~lol facebook geezer~~ wtf that's a shitton of snow

iirc the last time we got snow here in southern california was 4 years ago, a bit of frost 1 night

quartata

I can count the number of times I've seen snow in my life on one hand.

Which is depressing because I really like it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:42

I can count it on no hands.

quartata

I get the feeling I only like it in theory though. I'm not really one for shoveling walks

Erik the Golfer

Hey, everyone! Who lost too much reputation recently because a "User was removed"?

Fatalize

I can look out the window and see snowy mountains

Erik the Golfer

Nah, Greece == No snow at all (or very little, at utmost maximum 1 day per year)

Kritixi Lithos

@EriktheGolfer I lost 10 rep because of that

quartata

15:46

@Fatalize Well, I mean technically I can do that too if I pick the right window at the right time

They're pretty far away though.

Erik the Golfer

Well, guess what: I lost 40.

Fatalize

My city is surrounded by mountains

Geobits

@quartata Snow is fun. For a few days. That's it. Then it's a pain.

Fatalize

@EriktheGolfer Lost 0

quartata

@Geobits Yeah, that's pretty much what I guessed.

Erik the Golfer

15:47

Lucky you, Fatalize!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@EriktheGolfer don't go fishing for compliments please

you'll be okay with only 40 rep removed

Erik the Golfer

Meh, I don't care at all. I didn't want compliments, I just wanted to light up another off-topic conversation. Oh, and see who else had had minor injuries by that.

Kritixi Lithos

Snow tastes nice, especially in the form of a snowball

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@EriktheGolfer ... that's not really any better

Fatalize

The sound it makes when you walk on snow is the best though

Geobits

15:49

Yeah, the crunch is nice.

quartata

:(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Fatalize

I don't think I've ever had a year without snow

Erik the Golfer

You've never lived in Greece, then!

Kritixi Lithos

When I eat snow, as it enters my mouth, it melts and gives off a nice "fizzy" sensation. Once I finished having snow, I feel thirsty for some reason

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:51

:(

Erik the Golfer

Rain/snowwater is mainly H₂O, which means that it doesn't cure thirst.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> H2O

Geobits

I never was a fan of eating snow. I mean, unless you soak it in tasty sweet syrupy stuff.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> doesn't cure thirst

o_O

Kritixi Lithos

But it still is nice to eat snow, if not for thirst, for the flavour

Erik the Golfer

15:52

A better expression would have been "doesn't help with thirst".

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

o_O

quartata

@KritixiLithos Snow is filthy, at least the snow I've seen

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

quartata

I would not recommend

Erik the Golfer

For me, at the very least, snow is the best, because... no school that day!

El'endia Starman

15:52

@Geobits Mmm yes, that's yummy.

Geobits

Fresh snow is fine. You wouldn't eat the snow out of the gutter after a day...

El'endia Starman

And I only took snow from undisturbed areas and from the top.

quartata

That makes me feel even worse - I've only seen snow actually falling once

Erik the Golfer

Please, make sure the snow is clean of CO₂.

quartata

everything else was just kind of lame snow/ice leftovers

Kritixi Lithos

15:53

@El'endiaStarman Me too

Geobits

@quartata Can't you just drive a couple hundred miles north for snow? :P

quartata

@Geobits But that involves effort

DrMcMoylex

@quartata 0_0 really? I've seem snow hundreds of times

That's so sad...

Geobits

@quartata Oh. Well in that case it's clearly a non-starter.

betseg

i saw some snowflakes last year

Erik the Golfer

15:54

@quartata youtube.com/results?search_query=snow+falling

DrMcMoylex

It was snowing yesterday.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

You're all making feel sad...

El'endia Starman

It snowed here yesterday morning and yesterday night. I had a closing shift at work and had to brush off my car before driving home.

Erik the Golfer

Please, do not feel sad. Turn OPTIMISM_OP on.

betseg

it was 23 degrees today

quartata

15:56

@DrMcMoylex It's ~50 miles to the closest place where you might be able to see snow here and it's a hard drive

betseg

^^(celsius)

quartata

100 miles gets you better odds

ETHproductions

@betseg For a second there I thought you meant you got snow today

DrMcMoylex

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You should just move to Colorado. Problem solved!

Geobits

Oh, I definitely don't get snow here at all, but I've lived places where it snowed plenty.

quartata

15:57

@Geobits Yeah, I was a little confused

Erik the Golfer

@betseg :33640712 23... celsius? Oh, we've got 5-20 here.

quartata

Florida is not notorious for white Christmases I thought

Geobits

@quartata You didn't know? Florida is known for being very snowy >_>

El'endia Starman

@DrMcMoylex Upstate New York works too. Buffalo especially.

Geobits

No... Christmas around here sees lights wrapped round palm trees :/

quartata

15:58

@El'endiaStarman Oh my, I know someone who lives in Upstate New York and apparently the snow is just insane (and not in a good way)

Geobits

@El'endiaStarman I lived near Syracuse for a year. Crazy snow coming off the lakes.

DrMcMoylex

@El'endiaStarman Isn't that crazy pricy?

El'endia Starman

@DrMcMoylex What's "that"?

Geobits

Google says cost of living in Buffalo in particular is 84% the national average.

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