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12:01 AM
@NathanMerrill this is an interesting case
 
12:12 AM
@ಠ_ಠ I approve of this message.
 
12:22 AM
Anyone here messed with Machine Learning?
I have a dataset, basically around 100k images created by a captcha script, and I'm not sure if splitting them to each character or directly naming them would be better for training.
 
@Geobits made marky, he might be able to help
hey @Randal'Thor, what brings you here?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I was looking for @Geobits, but seems he's not around just now.
 
Hello
 
@Randal'Thor oh hey @Randal'Thor
 
12:35 AM
I have a query on Python exe's...
Does anyone know about argparse here?
 
Woo-hoo, vim is beating retina now!
 
@arda Hi hi :-)
 
... OK? I feel like I've been getting more random stars lately
6
 
it was a misclick, and I'm too lazy to fix
 
Lol, alrighty then
 
12:41 AM
If you turn a python file into an exe using something like py2exe
And the python file has argparse arguments
So like python derp.py --foo "string"
Will it become derp --foo "string" in the exe?
Or is it still python derp.py --foo "string"?
 
@Randal'Thor What's up?
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ What do you mean
 
> Will it become derp --foo "string" in the exe?
in what exe
 
In derp.exe (the derp.py file -> exe form)
 
12:45 AM
@Geobits Oh hi! Just wanted to let you know that I've been inspired by your awesome Puzzling answer to post one of my own on a similar puzzle today :-)
 
I did the link wrong at first. Fixed now.
 
You clicked too quick :-P
 
@Randal'Thor Ha, nice. I still find it hard to believe mine got voted up so much. Being bored at work pays off sometimes, I guess.
 
12:50 AM
@Geobits Your answer was what first brought me to Puzzling, so it's nice to create my own little tribute to it :-)
 
1:05 AM
> This whimsical book will help teach your child what is about to happen to them now that they have been declared a threat to national security.
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What?
 
that's an ad
.......
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it redirects to google play
 
Shws up as a book for me although I'm not entirely sure what cavities have to do with national security
unless we're talking cavity viruses
 
1:17 AM
@quartata bomb + cavity + plane = big boom boom
people put bombs in cavities. That means terrorism
@quartata
 
Oh that kind of thing.
 
most wtf description ever
 
So not the dental thing then
 
@quartata Yeah....
 
@Randal'Thor Really? I always thought you were there before me. Glad to have, uh, helped :)
 
1:28 AM
Dear GHCQ + NSA workers,

Please apply to become a PPCG mole.

Thank you!
@Downgoat else will run if the for loop wasn't abruptly ended (with break). Very useful and intuitive.
@mınxomaτ Have you scanned the NSA/GHCQ or is that illegal?
If you say "NDA" I'll assume yes.
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC no it doesn't
it redirects to a virus giving site >_>
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ just search "my first cavity search" and click "shopping"
 
no
that sounds like an awful idea
"my first" "cavity" "shopping"
the 3 most used terms in ads
 
@Downgoat You said you had an SVG right?
Can you give me a path of the goat silhouette? I did my own from the raster version but the resulting polygon wasn't quite right since some points were out of order
 
1:45 AM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Do you want me to give you an amazon link?
 
Ugh I aleays forget how to do ladders in TF2
Valve is super weird about ladders. They're literally different in every game.
 
2:01 AM
ladders?
oh
liteal ladders
 
Thinking of making a sequence-based language (not golfy)
 
seq Fib (n) -> {
    n = 0: 0;
    n = 1: 1;
    Fib(n - 1) + Fib(n - 2);
}
Fibonacci sequence
@DestructibleWatermelon D'you need any help on the maze thing?
Yearlies are over and I basically have nothing to do
Oh and I upgraded to Windows 10
 
2:28 AM
@Qwerp-Derp pls, feedback on WSL
 
wsl?
 
2:41 AM
@Downgoat can you add workshop/pl_abandoned_upward_rc12 to the map cycle pls
this one
@Downgoat mind if I bring a friend by to teach him tf2?
I trust him, he isn't going to share the password or anything
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Just out of curiosity how long ago did that map change occur?
trying to judge how far behind relay is
@Downgoat Did you see my ping
 
Is it possible to get a detailed reputation-over-time graph for one's user?
 
wat
can someone please eleven these messages to the TF2 server room?
 
I can only find the small one in the profile activity tab
 
@Qwerp-Derp I can't use my computer at the moment.
 
2:54 AM
-1
Q: Substring Substitution

watChallenge Implement a program that given three strings a, b, and c, substitutes all instances of the substring b in a with c. In other words, implement Ruby's String#gsub (a.gsub b, c). Rules Standard loopholes apply. You may not use a builtin that replaces substrings, such as the aforementi...

 
@wat It was a grand total of 4 messages; it isn't a big deal.
 
So it wouldn't really be "helping".
 
wat
@quartata sorry
Why was I randomly downvoted?
 
> If that MLK Bust could talk: "What the fuck is he doing here? Who invited this asshole?! A-A-America?! What do you mean he is the next President?! Wait a second, y'all assassinated me and let this asshole live? Then, voted him into the White House? This is some bullshit! What do you mean Obama's leaving?! I gotta share the White House with this dickhead?!"
 
wat
@CrazyPython When did you change your username?
@CrazyPython Family friendly room?
 
2:58 AM
@wat It wasn't random. My votes are deterministic.
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@wat Who changed it back!?
@Dennis Psuedorandom
 
@quartata right before i left, like 20-30min ago
 
MOD ABUSE NAME CHANGED WITHOUT PERMISSION
 
wat
@Dennis I banned substitution builtins to prevent answers being given that just contain ->a,b,c{a.gsub b,c}
Not just to make it a "do x without y" challenge
 
The split/join built-ins won't be much more interesting.
 
3:01 AM
Most outrageous thing: Trump is elected and chooses Hillary Clinton as his vice president and the obama administration.
 
wat
@Dennis ugh. i should ban them before there are answers
 
The president does not choose the vice president; he's elected by popular vote.
@wat But if they are forbidden, what is allowed?
 
wat
@Dennis That's up to the answerers
 
@Dennis Electoral college
Did I get kickmuted?
Oh my name changed back!
I didn't do anything...
 
Which is supposed to represent the popular vote.
 
wat
3:06 AM
@Dennis Other answers
 
@Dennis I suspect you for changing my name
 
Just in case you're being serious, moderators aren't allowed to randomly mess with people. I also have better things to do.
 
@Dennis Like deterministically mess with people?
 
Dude you probably just changed your parent site by mistake. Chill.
 
Your parent account is SO. I couldn't even if I wanted to, and I don't. And even if I did, I still wouldn't. I take my moderator position seriously.
 
3:09 AM
@quartata How does that happen? I didn't even do anything on SE.
 
wat
@Dennis You randomly changed my name
 
@wat That wasn't me, and it wasn't random.
 
wat
nm then
 
Hey, a while ago someone randomly changed my avatar. Who could have done it???
 
@feersum Gravatar
All identicons changed
 
3:13 AM
Russian hackers
 
That was me. I accidentially tripped over a cord in Gravatar HQ.
 
@Doorknob and @Dennis have been denied separate trial.
 
Are you Russian?
 
TIL Dennis is Russian hacker
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC What?
 
3:14 AM
@Dennis accidentally deterministically
 
What is even going on anymore in this place
 
Hacking...?
 
@quartata The correct answer is potato.
 
I don't really know. Mobile sucks for context at the best of times, but I'm starting to think there isn't any to be had right now.
 
wat
@Geobits umm wat
 
3:15 AM
Did a mod just unstar everything!?
 
I wish SE would have a good chat UI for mobile...
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC hopefully
 
Why is the starboard moving so much!?
 
wat
Why was everything just unstarred?
 
Restar.
 
3:16 AM
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC o/
 
wat
everone star everything
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC that's terrible advice
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC No. Please stop spamming stars or you'll get kicked
 
@wat and that's worse
 
@quartata It's not me
 
wat
3:17 AM
srry
 
Oh good another user to get confused reading the transcript.
 
:D my hacktober shirt arrived
 
Aaaaaand another one
 
What??
 
wat
hi gaot
 
3:18 AM
gaot yuo is vrey important to us
 
wat
yees
yu ar
 
That was an amibgious what I suppose
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC I appreciate it but wat happened to the spelling .___.
2
 
wat
._.
 
more aimed at the general noise than anything
 
3:19 AM
Anybody who wants cake in the next ten seconds raise their hand
 
question: what do you do with stickers .___.
like am i supposed to put them on laptop or wat
 
@Downgoat put it on yuor gaot fac
 
wat
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC o/
 
@wat You get a gold star! (CP Inc is not responsible for any injuries or deaths related to the gold star)
 
wat
>tfw no star
 
3:22 AM
pls, typo =/= intentionally spelling bad
 
Oh for heaven's sake. I don't mind the off topic chatter and occasional nonsense, but the wild accusations, star spam and gaot... whatever-it-is are a bit too much.
6
 
@Downgoat am trying to help you understand /s
 
wat
@Dennis gaotspek?
 
@Dennis please downgoat my gaotspek challenge then
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC -1 for missing great opportunity for "downgoat" pun
 
3:24 AM
TNB is reddit but much faster. Networking but much funner.
 
@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Can't downvote more than once.
 
@Dennis ;_;
 
TNB should not be reddit.
Unfortunately right now it's even worse than reddit
 
@Maltysen i don't think its a great idea to write the entire challenge in smallcaps, since many devices aren't able to render a wide range of small-caps characters
 
@quartata whyyy
 
3:25 AM
(i have strong feelings about unicode small-caps)
btw, anyone know shortest retina code to reverse a string?
@Dennis I don't know if people have already asked you this but will you add JS ES6 to TIO v2 (i.e. babel-node)?
 
@Downgoat Can you get the path of the goat silhouette from the SVG of your avatar for me?
 
@Downgoat Is babel-node different from regular node?
 
@Dennis Wait did that get posted to main?
 
@Dennis babel-node runs code through babel and therefore supports full ES6. Node support is getting better but is still eh :/
@quartata yes, will do rn
 
@Geobits No. In that case, I could have downvoted more than once.
 
3:30 AM
@Dennis Babel is a transpiler from ES6 to ES5. It's needed for proper ES6 support
 
Oh ok. My work is done for now then.
 
@Downgoat Sure. As long as it requires a reasonable amount of effort.
 
one thing: make sure to A) not install node through nvm B) do NOT chmod -R 777 /usr/bin
2
 
chmod -R 777 /usr/bin? Yeah, that's not happening.
 
3:35 AM
crap typo
 
Why would anyone do chmod -R 777 /usr/bin? That's a gigantic security issue and will most likely break something.
 
Sounds like goat is speaking from prior experience >_>
 
@Dennis :| yeah... only an idiot would do that...... ;_______;
 
wat
wait... are chat stars really handled internally as upvotes?
 
@wat does that even mean?
 
wat
3:38 AM
@trichoplax <insert random bad joke about my username here>
 
Sep 28 at 3:31, by Downgoat
Long story short: I messed up /usr/bin perms so I can't use sudo
 
@wat Bad jokes are the only type I do
 
^
jokes/puns, the worse they are, the better
 
wat
^
 
But seriously, what does "internally as upvotes" mean? I'm lost
 
3:41 AM
@trichoplax i think he means like in the SQL data base if they use same scheme as votes
 
@Downgoat Not calling names, but why on Earth did you do that? o_O
 
Sep 28 at 3:34, by Downgoat
Wanna know how I got here? NPM wasn't installing packages in correct dir so without thinking I did what an SO answer proposed and did chown vihan:vihan /usr/bin
another SO answer was stupid and told to do chmod -R 777 /usr/bin and yea
i really goated things up
 
Uh, but that's not even remotely the same thing. chown vihan:vihan /usr/bin would be easy to reverse.
 
not exactly
you need sudo to un chown it
owait
wat
im not sure how i messed myself up so badly
goat is professional idiot
btw, today i won hackathon :D
 
You don't need sudo if you boot in rescue mode or from a thumb drive.
 
3:47 AM
i did boot in rescue mode but because i had to mount the disk sudo was not able to load its object files
 
Rescue mode implies logging in as root, and root doesn't require sudo.
 
oh
root login was disabled over ssh
and DO terminal logged my in as vihan
su command is in /usr/bin and borked beacuse of chmod/own
 
Oh, it was a VM/VPS.
DO allows root logins from terminal though. You just have to reset the root password.
 
i did
 
Recently went through this because I did something similarly clever.
 
3:50 AM
but it still didn't work for some reason
i reset root password did all the weird stuff got recovery thing mounted
everything bork at end so i just copy files to new debian VM
 
> debain
 
So this happened:
user image
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That was fun
 
Alex spoke at a conference? :o
 
How did it go?
 
Pretty well I think
It was a Julia workshop
 
4:01 AM
Nice :)
 
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Q: Comment-free polyglot with different, nontrivial, behaviour per language

ais523This challenge is inspired by this other challenge, which you may want to read first for some context. However, a competitive answer is likely to look very different, so after reading some posts on Meta I decided it was best posted as a separate question. The goal here is to write a polyglot pro...

 
@AlexA. Congrats!
 
Thanks :)
It's not as exciting as it sounds, tbh. I was mostly assisting one of the Julia founders with the workshop rather than being the primary presenter.
 
@NewMainPosts I need to sleep so I'm not going to write up the apparent contradictions in this. For now I've just voted to close as unclear
 
4:16 AM
@Downgoat Set up FastDL? printf sent it to you in a gist
verify the checksums then do the config things mentioned
 
@trichoplax It seems unclear from the title, but the spec itself is pretty detailed, I thought. My top two concerns about it are 1) it's a "Do X without Y" challenge and 2) it looks very difficult to write an answer that fully complies with spec.
 
@AlexA. Still you got to meet one of the Julia folk which is pretty damn cool
 
True fax
 
Would a "proper" language with readable syntax that's based on sequences be a good idea?
 
4:25 AM
What do you mean by "based on sequences"?
 
wat
I was reading something on a british software development forum that had an automatic censoring wordfilter.

The text "de******" was seen often.
 
Judging by the sample I saw I think a lot of what you want already exists in the form of pattern matching in functional languages
 
@DLosc You know Oasis right?
 
No, I've never looked at it.
 
4:26 AM
Same premise of "based on sequences", but with readable syntax and stuff
 
The British band?
 
(By Adnan)
Uhhh it's the same premise (based on sequences), but with extra stuff
 
@Qwerp-Derp Hm. Well, I don't know how useful it would be, but if you'd have fun implementing it, I say go ahead.
 
seq Fib(n): {
    n = 0: 0;
    n = 1: 1;
    Fib(n - 1) + Fib(n - 2)
}
out sum([for x in [0..10]: Fib(x)])
Maybe something like this?
 
4:32 AM
"Would I have fun implementing this?" is always the most important question to ask oneself when creating a language. :)
 
Outputs the sum of the first 9 fibonacci numbers
I would have fun, definitely, but I have no idea where to start
It seems like a pretty big project
 
I mean, this sort of case-based recursive definition is something you can do in Haskell, e.g.
 
You guys can kinda see the structure of the language here, right?
 
@Qwerp-Derp Define the syntax, how you want it to look and behave, how to handle weird corner cases. Then look into either writing a parser or using a parser generator.
If you keep the grammar relatively simple, using a lexer/parser generator could be a nice way to get going faster.
 
Anonymous
Oh look the other bird
 
4:46 AM
TuxCopter? :D
 
Anonymous
They don't count :P
 
Tux gave up his bird-like qualities
 
Anonymous
The other bird that makes meaningful contributions to chat?
 
Actually wat and Qwerp-Derp appear to be birds too...
 
cat munch bird where is bird
 
4:49 AM
@Mego Define "meaningful"...
 
Yus I am chikeng
Trying out Pegjs for parsing
 
Anonymous
Not mostly garbage?
 
hmm, I posted a challenge based on another challenge, and tried to be as clear as possible, but I got an "unclear what you're asking" close. It's unclear to me what's unclear about the challenge; how can I ask for more information from the close voters?
 
I might need help with Pegjs
Sequence = SeqDeclare Word Arguments
Arguments = "(" (Word ","? " "?)+ ")"
SeqDeclare = "seq "
Word = [A-Za-z]+
This is what I have so far
And this is my test string:
 
Anonymous
Comments or chat
 
4:54 AM
seq Fib(m, n)
 
Anonymous
Chat is usually a better method
 
right, well I posted a comment, and I guess I'm in chat now
 
I want arguments to only contain [m, n]
 
I'm talking about this challenge
 
Anonymous
4:57 AM
> Deleting any non-whitespace character from your program must cause it to fail to function in every language. Your program may not read its own source.
 
I tried to be as general with respect to language features as I could
the "may not read its own source" is a standard restriction on quines; I thought of defining that further but assumed it was well known
 
Anonymous
What about languages where whitespace is significant? Shouldn't the whitespace count then?
 
Anonymous
> The program must not use any language features that were intended for the purpose of discovering which language or language version is in use.
 
Anonymous
Whether or not a language feature is "intended" for discovering the language and/or version can be debated. Intention isn't a good metric.
 
@flawr Why, do you have any symptoms? :-)
 
Anonymous
4:59 AM
What happens if two solutions achieve the same score? What's the tiebreaker?
 
languages where the syntax is based on whitespace tend to have non-whitespace as comments
 

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