The Nineteenth Byte

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:02 AM

did I anger the mods?

maybe hypnotically chanting their names is a bad idea

Calvin's Hobbies

probably

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

probably

Calvin's Hobbies

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC FWIW, Dendoomarale will be a place in my Tolkien-esque constructed world

Maltysen

close votes plz: codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/100686/31343

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Q: Sorting by input distribution

You are given an input array of integers and three sorting algorithms, (bubble sort, merge sort and quick sort (with middle pivot). Your job is to write a function that will decide which sorting algorithm to use according to the input distribution. Some of the benchmarks can be: Random Nearl...

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

12:10 AM

"Unbreakable union of republics" - ussr anthem

Any russians in here?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Yodle If this is true then the mods should really be transparent about it (@Dennis@Doorknob)

Yodle

@Calvin'sHobbies True, transparency is nice.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Calvin'sHobbies I prefer reflectiveness or bluish transparent glass.

trichoplax

12:26 AM

@Yodle The mods are there for exception handling. Coming up with new ideas is something for the whole community.

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax Good point

trichoplax

1:04 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Although I oppose the reopening of the language showcase, I really hope it doesn't come across as being against you personally. I have personally benefitted greatly from your advice, and you're a vital part of making this community what it is.

Oct 30 at 14:34, by trichoplax

Concerning Helka Homba specifically: a lot of the challenges are deliberately pushing the boundaries of our scope, and finding ways in which it can be extended. This is a huge service to the community. Finding that some are off topic is a natural consequence of this exploration, and I don't see it as a bad thing.

quartata

@trichoplax Not sure if you saw my comment but I would understand if they had locked with the meta discussion reason but in this case they just executed what was clearly not yet a true consensus

Doesn't matter where you stand this isn't right

Also @Mego's answer really bothers me because I've demonstrated that this isn't really a special exception

trichoplax

@quartata yes I saw your comment and decided to come here rather than have an extended discussion there, and then got caught up in other things.

I'll go and have a look at how it was closed and locked now

quartata

It was closed as too broad and locked for historical reasons.

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax Sure, it's a valid debate. No hard feelings against you or Mego or others :)

trichoplax

:)

Conor O'Brien

1:19 AM

I haven't said anything because I'm salty :P

ais523

for what it's worth, as someone from outside the site I didn't realise that the showcase was still active

I assumed it was an old competition from years ago that had since ended

trichoplax

@quartata So the same as for Tweetable Mathematical Art. Is it the broadness you disagree with or locking it?

Calvin's Hobbies

@ais523 It may not be. But closed and locked it cannot be.

There's no policy to close inactive challenges.

trichoplax

@ais523 Most challenges here are open ended, so even if there has been no activity for years, they are still open to new submissions

quartata

@trichoplax Both. But that is not the point.

ais523

1:22 AM

I agree with leaving challenges open-ended if they're objective, and challenges here are meant to be objective

trichoplax

@quartata I'm missing the point then.

ais523

with a popularity contest, though, new submissions are unlikely to be able to compete, as once the challenge isn't active people aren't voting on it

quartata

The point is that we had not reached a consensus when that action was taken and now that it has happened we've reached the opposite consensus judging by votes on my answer

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax I'm only irked at the mods because they are (I think?) the only ones who can lock/unlock and, as quartata says, they are plainly not following community opinion.

trichoplax

@ais523 When a new submission is posted (or an old one edited) the challenge is bumped to the top of the front page so more voting is possible. Where a popularity contest is on topic, it's still hard to win with a new submission because of the head start the other submissions have, but it's not impossible

ais523

1:24 AM

I guess hardest to update is king-of-the-hill

back when this challenge was running on PPCG, we ran the same competition in parallel on Esolang's IRC channel

nyuroki did pretty well there too but I managed to beat it

but I don't think it'd make much sense to contribute my bots now, years later

(also the rules were slightly different; many of my bots don't work under PPCG rules but some do)

trichoplax

@Calvin'sHobbies It's times like this I'm glad I'm not a PPCG mod. Mostly the mods only have to enforce what the community has already decided on, but occasionally democracy doesn't work (like code-trolling) and they have to make the difficult decision of when to go with the votes and when to override them. When there's a divisive topic it's lose-lose as they have to upset one side or the other, so I'm glad I'm only one of the voters in this case.

ais523

my issue with code-trolling is that the answers were effectively independent of the question, thus there wasn't any real sense in having more than one question

trichoplax

@ais523 I guess it depends on whether the challenge author is still active. I'd like to post some KotHs and if I did I'd want to run it again for new submissions, although there might be some delay as it's a lot to take on (especially if a tournament takes days...)

ais523

we have two automated BF Joust KOTHs on Esolang (although they pretty much died when someone wrote a script that automatically analyses all the current entries on the hill and writes a program that beats them all via special-case code for each individual opponent)

that means that nearly always, at least one is working even when the authors aren't active

that seems like a good direction to go with KOTHs

trichoplax

@ais523 Although the showcase is in some sense the opposite of code-trolling (explaining rather than obfuscating), I guess code-trolling was almost a type of showcasing too, so I see what you mean about not making sense to have more than one question

ais523

1:31 AM

(although sandboxing can be an issue; it isn't in BF but could be in more powerful languages)

trichoplax

@ais523 Calvin's Hobbies wrote a couple of JavaScript KotHs that run in Stack Snippets or JSFiddle, so anyone can run a tournament from the challenge webpage. It still requires the challenge author to be around to determine the official leaderboard (due to differences in hardware), but it makes things easy for competitors as they don't need to install anything or even download the other answers

ais523

having a JavaScript hillrunner sounds like a good idea

especially if the hill is deterministic

trichoplax

like boxcar2d?

ais523

the programs themselves wouldn't need be in JavaScript, just in a language that JavaScript can implement

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax But was code-trolling banned despite a majority of the community supporting it? Top 2 answers of meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/1514/26997 are against it.

trichoplax

1:36 AM

Sp3000 mentioned Nim recently, and I noticed it can be compiled to JavaScript, but I'm not sure if that is enough to make it work for a JavaScript KotH

ais523

I'm thinking, more, suppose the competition is in an esolang

you can write an interpreter for the esolang in JavaScript and have the snippet itself run the programs

rather than asking competitors to transpile programs into JavaScript (which would probably make them too long to fit in the answer block)

non-esolangs work less well because they tend to require more code to implement

trichoplax

I would love to see an esolang KotH (presumably just one language per competition)

ais523

well, I'm used to doing KotHs on Esolang, and all our competitions use esolangs for obvious reasons :-P

Calvin's Hobbies

@ais523 You may quickly hit the 30k post char limit with too much JS as I nearly did in koths

ais523

yes

my BF Joust interpreter is 15 kilobytes of C, but it's indented and commented and I made no attempt to golf it

perhaps KOTH competitions should be preceded by a code-golf to write the hillrunner ;-)

trichoplax

1:40 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Sorry I was using that as an example of something that got lots of votes on main. Looking at the meta post you linked it seems that once it got to meta it was much less divisive than the language showcase has been. This time there seem to be stronger feelings on both sides (both of which I can relate to...).

@Calvin'sHobbies That reminds me, I wonder if this will be a possibility:

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Q: Should we increase our post character limit to allow substantial stack snippets?

Calvin's Hobbies posted on Mother Meta about increasing the character limit for posts across the Stack Exchange network. This answer shows that it is possible to increase the limit from the standard 30,000 characters for individual SE sites, and this has already been doubled for Code Review. To ...

discussion feature-request

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax I wish :)

But that's up to SE...

trichoplax

It seems a simple change to make, that's already in place for Code Review, so maybe I'll ask the mods if this is something that can be raised (once the current dilemma has settled down one way or another)

@quartata I saw your comment, and meant to copy you in on my reply to Calvin's Hobbies, but just realised I didn't.

Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax I'd say that when the mods go with the opinion of the community they cannot be rationally blamed by anyone. The votes are there to see.

quartata

@trichoplax Oh totally agreed. I have no idea what the hell I'd be doing right now if I had been elected

trichoplax

I can imagine hypothetical situations where the community consensus should not be followed, but they are extreme for the sake of argument. In this practical case I'd hate to have to decide. The trouble is that community consensus is not always consistent between different meta posts (even on practically the same topic).

quartata

1:53 AM

PPCG is probably one of the hardest SEs to mod along with SO

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Calvin's Hobbies

@trichoplax In the Showcase issue I see two meta posts that agree it should not have been closed.

trichoplax

I've turned my 1920x1080 monitor to portrait (which is great for interwoven chat conversations), and just realised that a 4K monitor would still be taller in landscape. I can't imagine ever needing that much...

@Calvin'sHobbies I see a fair amount of resistance in the vote splits, but also voting on the general themes elsewhere doesn't match this specific decision, so which do we go with? For popularity contests in general the voting on meta seems to have meandered between different similarly worded discussion questions making it difficult to know which should be regarded as consensus

Downgoat

@Calvin'sHobbies is there any meta post ruling in favor of closing?

trichoplax

I guess it comes down to whether the community should decide on the outcome for specific questions (like holding a referendum) or just decide on general policy.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Downgoat I'm not aware of other meta posts about the Showcase. It should be tagged meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/…

@Doorknob @MartinEnder @AlexA. @Dennis Could any of the mods comment? Do you deny that in meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/10457 and meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/10636, closing the Showcase was NOT what the community wanted?

quartata

2:06 AM

To be honest I haven't seen any of the mods other than Dennis in days so I don't know what's up.

Calvin's Hobbies

Yeah. Probably busy so sorry if I keep bothering you mods, but this is important

Conor O'Brien

I've seen martin a few hours ago

in a non-canonical sense of teh word "few"

quartata

@trichoplax My answer is the most general of the lot and it seems to be popular but I have no idea if that is just because of the question or what. Less downvotes than ETH's though

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata In fact, didn't we get more mods (and chat mods) so more would be around more of the time? :P

quartata

Well we didn't get more mods just ROs. Which have been doing a great job IMO

Together they've helped the noise quite a bit

trichoplax

2:10 AM

The mods are all volunteers, mostly with other lives, and fill in for gaps in each other's coverage. If only one or two are around that doesn't mean anything is wrong.

I agree that this is important, but I don't see it as urgent.

@quartata Thanks for the feedback :) I'm glad you're seeing a difference

DrMcMoylex

@Calvin'sHobbies Give it a break. It's not urgent, they'll get back to you when they get back to you.

I'm sure they're thinking it over

Calvin's Hobbies

I know, but it can be fun to ~~be impatient~~ get stuff done

^_^

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies I'm not sure what purpose responding that question would serve. The vote tallies are there for all to see.

trichoplax

@quartata I meant general questions, rather than answers. Even though you have addressed a much broader view, yes it's hard to tell if votes would be the same if it wasn't in this context. I guess the vote split on yours does suggest it's being slightly more removed from the specific question for some voters. For me it's somewhat confused by the fact that one of your supporting examples is a challenge I think is off topic as too broad (allrgb). So it's hard to know what people are voting on.

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Q: Fewest disk writes to defrag multiple files

Introduction A disk is a linear container with blocks indexed 0 through size-1. A file is a named list of block indexes used by that file. An example filesystem is expressed like this: 15 ALPHA=3,5 BETA=11,10,7 "The disk has 15 blocks, the first block of file ALPHA is the disk block at inde...

code-golf combinatorics

Calvin's Hobbies

2:24 AM

@Dennis No need to answer the post. I only mean following the will of the community and unlocking+reopening the showcase.

Dennis

I mean your question regarding denying what the community does or does not want.

Calvin's Hobbies

Oh, ok. Well no need to answer that either if you and the mods end the issue by opening the Showcase.

But if you won't, the next obvious question is why do the mods get to ignore the desires of the community?

quartata

@Downgoat you around?

feersum

I think the community wants it to be closed and reopened roughly every 3 days.

Alex A.

Now that we can do.

quartata

2:36 AM

Checks out

Calvin's Hobbies

Just for reference (especially my own): codegolf.stackexchange.com/help/site-moderators and stackoverflow.blog/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation

Nathan Merrill

Ooh... Let's do that. Can we actually apply a different status every three days? We can delete it tomorrow, and then let's protect it

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies ...what do you need those for?

Calvin's Hobbies

@NathanMerrill So much for "as little as possible!" :P

quartata

FWIW if the mods are doing this because they want to do something in the mean time then the best solution is to close but not lock. Then at least people can still get rep and update their showcases. I don't think this is necessary though

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

2:39 AM

quartata

Dennis's answer suggests that this is not their intent + the status completed tag

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Welp, got my JS-to-C interface working

quartata

You know about NaCl right?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

???

quartata

It's basically what you're demonstrating without having to use costly sockets

Google pnacl

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

2:42 AM

@quartata No, my intent here is to access a file without a prompt

quartata

You can do that with NaCl too

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

(The JS has to run in the browser, as it accesses a website's DOM)

quartata

with the proper permissions

Maltysen

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ you can communicate with the NaCl process from your js

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Well, my C's already running

Calvin's Hobbies

2:44 AM

@AlexA. If the mods agree that the community wants the Showcase reopened but don't follow through on it, then a discussion on what a mod's role is seems the next step. Sorry to get litigious but :S

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Don't want to waste all those man-hours (or Star Wars references)

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies More to the point is that the community never said for it to be closed in the first place

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Right

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Q: Proposal to lock the Language Showcase as historically significant

I recently revisited the following classic challenge: Showcase your language one vote at a time. The gist of the challenge is as follows: An answer is a set of program snippets, each with a unique length. The maximum length and maximum number of snippets are given by the answer's current vote ...

discussion status-completed specific-question scope close-reasons

Dennis

@Calvin'sHobbies I'm not saying we won't unlock the showcase (so far, you didn't even give a chance to talk about it), but I kinda resent the fact that you seem to think moderation is just about pushing the buttons you tell us to push. If that was all that is to it, we wouldn't need moderator-only abilities such as locking questions. Or moderators at all, for that matter.

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quartata

Unrelated but I'm about 1k messages from reaching 50k and a mere 7k away from overtaking Alex and becoming TNB taco supreme

@Dennis I don't think he intended to imply it was that simple

trichoplax

2:50 AM

Unrelated sounds good to me :)

quartata

FWIW I vastly appreciate a lot of the magic that happens behind the mod curtains although I'm sure I'm not aware of half of it

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trichoplax

> vasty

May I correct that?

Alex A.

vasty (adj) Vastly nasty

trichoplax

Oh! That's not what was intended at all ;)

quartata

@trichoplax Oh woops did not notice. Go ahead

another instance of mod magic haha ;)

DrMcMoylex

3:01 AM

@AlexA. Nope. :P

Alex A.

Ah nuts

Well, quartatertootles was using it as an adverb anyway

Calvin's Hobbies

@Dennis I did make the assumption that seeing the community concensus and reopening the challenge would be a matter of routine, not requiring discussion with other mods, but if it does that's not a big deal. I admit I've probably been too urgent about the issue though, and that's my own problem. So take your time, I won't bring it up again for a while ^.^

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

$ ./oeis
Opening socket...
Binding socket...
Preparing socket for listening...
Listening on 127.0.0.1:19028...
Connection received, reading data...
Leia, is A000001 a tarp?
No tarps here...
Closing connection...
Connection received, reading data...
Leia, is A002659 a tarp?
Luke, it's a tarp!
Closing connection...
^C
Closing socket...

It works!

ETHproductions

> It's a tarp!

Geobits

tarp...

Alex A.

3:03 AM

Not what I would have expected to be intended behavior

Calvin's Hobbies

Now I need math help..

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

No, "tarp" is not a typo

Alex A.

It's a tarpo

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

The -46% readable C code behind it

Maltysen

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ that's not that bad

ETHproductions

3:06 AM

> if (cP0[0] != 'P' || cP0[1] != 'O' || cP0[2] != 'S' || cP0[3] != 'T') {

Surely there's a better way?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Maltysen Yeah, it gets more readable near the end

@ETHproductions A loop would be overkill

quartata

bruh gcc does loop unrolling even on -O1

ETHproductions

I didn't know C couldn't directly test strings for equality (then again, I don't know much about C in the first place)

Calvin's Hobbies

Given X periods and Y commas, for which pairs X,Y can integer numbers of koalas <.,.>, crabs ,<..>, and commapillars <,,,.> (there may be 3+ comma legs) not be made? (add the brackets wherever needed)

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@ETHproductions You can always use strcmp, etc., but I was too lazy

@quartata bruh me no liek loop

Alex A.

3:09 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Complains both about unreadable code and about being too lazy to use strcmp...

quartata

Don't sacrifice readability for such microoptimizations

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@AlexA. I'm not complaining about it, per se

Maltysen

@Calvin'sHobbies diophantine equation right?

Calvin's Hobbies

e.g. <,,,,,.> <.,.> <.,.> ,<..>, has X=7,Y=9, so 7,9 is valid, but X=3,Y=3 is not because it cannot be made into the animals using all the commas and periods

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies I don't know the answer but I just want to say that those little ASCII animals are adorable

Calvin's Hobbies

3:10 AM

@Maltysen something like that

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@quartata does i look liek i care

quartata

yes

ETHproductions

So basically, what vectors can't be made by adding the vectors (2,1), (2,2), (1,3), (1,4), (1,5)...

Calvin's Hobbies

@ETHproductions Yes. That's a simpler way to say it :P

Geobits

@Calvin'sHobbies Wouldn't x=3,y=3 be a single crab and commapillar?

Oh, nvm.

Calvin's Hobbies

3:13 AM

@Geobits commapillar must have at least 3 legs

Geobits

I didn't see the crab's outer commas, assuming they were part of the sentence explaining it, not the crab.

Calvin's Hobbies

ah

ETHproductions

The commapillar looks like one of those Hexbug toys

Geobits

So does the koala have one outer comma, or is that part actually grammar?

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits That part is grammar, sorry

<.,.> or ,<..>, or <,,,.> or <,,,,.> or <,,,,,.> etc

PhiNotPi

3:16 AM

@ETHproductions I see that too

Calvin's Hobbies

@ETHproductions Rather, any linear combination of those vectors

trichoplax

@Geobits At my current zoom level, I can distinguish the code commas from the prose commas, but now that you've said it I see the separating comma as a little waving koala hand...

Geobits

trichoplax

Yes, just like that

Dennis

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Btw, I really appreciate the LZString algorithm you brought to my attention. I cannot accept your pull request (I'm no longer developing Try it online! v1 and there are a few changed I would have to make), but I'll use it in a newer version.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

3:26 AM

@Dennis yw

Dennis

But boy, for someone who seems to be intro compression, the author writes incredibly redundant code...

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis ?

Nathan Merrill

Just made chocolate covered pomegranate seeds. You guys need to try out. It's crunchy and sweet with pockets of pomegranate juice

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Transposing into Concert Pitch Band instruments are annoying because they have different keys. That means that if all of the instruments play a C, it will sound horrible. For example, an Alto Saxophone playing a C will actually produce an E♭, whereas a French Horn playing a C will actually produ...

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill don't you spit out the hard part of the seed? How does that work with the chocolate?

Dennis

3:29 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ Switch and if/else statements that do exactly the same except for changing one variable, for example. Loops that duplicate the snippet before or after them, etc. I golfed the minified code (4,718 bytes) down to 923 bytes. Granted, I removed some stuff I didn't need, but it shouldn't be more than 1,200 bytes for the full version.

quartata

@Dennis I have tried LZString before and while it is excellent character wise in terms of bytes it is usually no better than base conversion or good DEFLATE

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@Dennis Oh, thought you were talking about my tiny commit to the main JavaScript file :P

Nathan Merrill

@Maltysen No. The actual seed (hard part) is rather small, and you just eat it. Like raspberry seeds

quartata

I freaking love pomegranate seeds but it isn't cheap

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill interesting, I've always spat them out after chewing on it, though I suppose one could eat it

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

3:32 AM

Well, that's annoying

Nathan Merrill

@Maltysen are you sure you are talking about pomegranates

quartata

@Maltysen I usually eat the hard part but then again I also eat orange seeds and unpopped popcorn kernels

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Firefox refuses to load my API because it's over HTTP and not HTTPS

Maltysen

@NathanMerrill yes, these things: blog.unicasport.com/wp-content/uploads/…

@quartata I eat unpopped popcorn kernels too o/

orange seeds, tho?

aren't they bitter?

DrMcMoylex

Oh the missing context...

quartata

3:34 AM

Yes they're a little bitter but not much worse than the rind. I'm really just top lazy ro spit them out

@DrMcMoylex Oh jeez I just got it

Dennis

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ No, I mean line 137 to 159 do exactly the same as lines 161 to 184 is you set value to 1 and replace i<8 with i<16.

quartata

ew...

Nathan Merrill

I refuse to be taken out of context :P

Dennis

@quartata Well, I could use CJK characters in the URI fragment. :P

DrMcMoylex

That's one way to do it I suppose, lol

Geobits

3:35 AM

I really should learn to wait a few minutes before starring things like that >_>

ETHproductions

@MitchSchwartz I've added Burlesque and REBmu. I'll have to take another look at goruby to understand what it actually is...

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits He meant random seeds

Nathan Merrill

Lol

DrMcMoylex

Mmm, now I want some pomegranates

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Commencing browser tab genocide...

Geobits

3:37 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies Makes sense. Those are usually quite long.

quartata

@ETHproductions essentially it overrides missing_method (called internally when a function can't be found) and "tab completes" the name

So pu might expand to puts

@Dennis Yeah I figured you were base64ing so

Dennis

70 KB for deflate-js though... Wonder if it's worth it.

Calvin's Hobbies

@ETHproductions Oops. Rather, any linear combination of those vectors where the coefficients are integers.

Which gets trickier

quartata

@Dennis Aren't you compressing the code server-side?

Dennis

Yes. This is for something else.

quartata

3:48 AM

What is it for?

Geobits

@Calvin'sHobbies Is the crab useful for anything beside 2,2? Just playing around for a minute seems to suggest most of its combos can be made using koalas and commapillars.

For any odd X, I'm pretty sure you can do it if Y >= (X-1)/2 + 3

For even Xs, you can drop a minimal commapillar to make it even, then do the same.

(which is just to establish an upper bound on "impossible", not to list all possibles)

Dennis

@quartata I'll tell you when it's done. :P OK, I have to admit, while slow and bloated, DEFLATE is a lot more efficient than LZString, at least with ASCII.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Fun fact: The process of writing that C program created about 40 new tabs

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Geobits

If that's a fact, it doesn't sound very fun ;)

Calvin's Hobbies

4:03 AM

@Geobits Maybe not. I was just making various period/comma animals

Anonymous

@ETHproductions C can't directly test strings for equality (you have to use strcmp). That's comparing chars. char is an integral type.

Anonymous

A C string is a char array

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies What about comma chameleons?

2

Geobits

~~<,,.>

Anonymous

I'm happy now

DrMcMoylex

4:10 AM

s/comma/comma comma comma comma comma

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits Cute but I was limiting it to <>,.

ais523

hmm, so I got my program to output an image

Calvin's Hobbies

><,,.>

ais523

and the image appears to crash Firefox

Geobits

Oh I know. I don't know how to do a tail with those though :P

ais523

4:11 AM

should I post it in the post anyway, as recommended by the challenge?

Geobits

That's a fish :/

DrMcMoylex

How about >>><,,.>

ais523

(I haven't found a browser that can show it yet, but it works in an offline image viewer)

Calvin's Hobbies

@ais523 Is it just super huge, or?

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Q: Write a program which takes two strings as input from the user. Ask the user to enter names in the first string and foods in the second string.

Write a program which takes two strings as input from the user. Ask the user to enter names in the first string and foods in the second string. In both the strings the names and foods are separated by space. Number of items in both lists can be different. Example Input Sequence Alpha Bravo Char...

code-golf string code-challenge popularity-contest unicode

ais523

4:12 AM

@Calvin'sHobbies it's only 73 kilobytes, but it's an SVG with 1023 layers of nested tags

Geobits

@NewMainPosts Oh, it's time for homework already?

@ais523 o_O

ais523

not only that, but the original program segfaults the tryitonline interpreter too (also my local Underload interpreter, but I think that's for a different reason)

gah, and the question gets closed while I'm in the middle of writing up the answer?

Calvin's Hobbies

@ais523 How about take a screenshot of it and show that? And perhaps explain why svg wouldn't work

ais523

Here's the question. It just got incorrectly closed as a duplicate (and I already voted to reopen it once after it was closed as too unclear; it was but we fixed it)

screenshot would probably work, yes

Alex A.

Reopened

ais523

4:20 AM

thanks

Calvin's Hobbies

@ais523 The challenge could be worded better, but I agree, image!=ascii-art

Geobits

> But in "the real world" you won't hear people referring to puns nearly as often as you do on the internet.

This guy doesn't clearly know me very well.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Geobits He looks like quartata

Geobits

Before quartata threw pichu in a blender, that is.

Calvin's Hobbies

Well, before @quartata was picassochu

er, yeah

Geobits

4:29 AM

Picassochu... I like it :)

quartata

Oh yeah forget to change mine to Xmas colors

Wheat Wizard

I've been having a good month.

Qwerp-Derp

4:53 AM

Working on another lang (this time it's actually going to be implemented)

It's basically HTML and CSS condensed together into one language with hopefully simpler syntax

ais523

I need to fix my Underload interpreter, it seems

it has a tendency to free things early

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Q: Match the permutations!

Your challenge is to create a regex that matches every permutation of the original regex, and nothing else. The match must also be case-sensitive. So, for example, if your regex is: ABC It should match (and only match): ABC ACB BAC BCA CAB CBA It shouldn't match things like: AABC (contain...

code-golf regular-expression

Sherlock9

5:14 AM

@Mego And the comma animal's traditional greeting: comma estas?

Geobits

5:35 AM

Chat's pretty slow. Almost... commatose...

Qwerp-Derp

Pls check out my challenge :)

Also I might need a review of some sample code for a new lang

Does this look intuitive?

div main (
  header 2 "Hello, World!"
  write stuff "
    This is a
    Multi-line paragraph.
  "
)

Geobits

@Qwerp-Derp I did, but I'm not regex-savvy enough to judge its difficulty.

Qwerp-Derp

@Geobits Ah

Geobits

Seems intuitive enough, assuming that places a header in a div.

With size 2, etc

Qwerp-Derp

Yeah, that's what it does

It's a big-ish? project with a couple of friends to make a lang that's intuitive enough for designers and programmers to work together

betseg

5:37 AM

<h2>?

Geobits

What is stuff though?

Qwerp-Derp

Yup

Oh stuff is the id for a p

p is represented through write

betseg

How to class?

Geobits

Gotcha

Qwerp-Derp

@betseg div id in class

Or div in class for an id-less div

You can do the same for headers and p

header 2 "Hello, World!" in class

write paragraph in test "
  No ID!
"

betseg

5:40 AM

footer in bg-white in fg-black

Qwerp-Derp

I made a mini pegjs file

So is it intuitive for non-programmers (designers)?

Hello???

ais523

6:08 AM

@Qwerp-Derp: I've solved the challenge already

I was very lucky that I managed to stumble across this particular solution so quickly, it's the same sort of problem as constructing one of those strings which describes itself

Anonymous

6:26 AM

Gross, this software website uses comic sans for everything

Anonymous

I'm going to go ahead and assume that the software doesn't work at best, and is riddled with malware at worst

Sherlock9

6:52 AM

Oh hey, I hit 5k yesterday! Woo!

Qwerp-Derp

7:40 AM

@ais523 Dammit, you're too quick

FGITW, I guess

Qwerp-Derp

7:52 AM

So what do you guys think of the lang?

Hello?

Fatalize

Which one?

Sherlock9

Is there a way to get the largest odd divisor of a number using bitwise operators and basic arithmetic besides n/(n&-n)? (Note: n&-n gets the largest power of 2 that divides n, so dividing n by that gets the largest odd divisor)

Qwerp-Derp

@Fatalize See above for details

Don't really have a name for it yet though

feersum

8:16 AM

@Sherlock9 You can get -2 times the largest power of 2 dividing n with n^-n.

ais523

8:32 AM

@Qwerp-Derp I was actually second, the other solution is much more tolerant of changes than my autogram, also shorter

I do like the idea of a regex autogram, though, and thought it'd be much harder to find

(stumbling across that one was mostly just luck, I wouldn't expect my search to converge without a ton of brute force but it did while I was still tinkering around manually)

flawr

@Sherlock9 I don't think so.

Lembik

Hi all

mınxomaτ

Cardboard computer: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13008408

Kritixi Lithos

8:47 AM

Hey, does anybody know a fix to IntelliJ Idea starting very slow (>5minutes) on Mac?

Sherlock9

@feersum @flawr Interesting. Is there a shorter method for finding the largest odd divisor of n than n/(n&-n)?

It's alright if there isn't. I'm just trying to check if my dragon curve answer is optimal

flawr

@Sherlock9 I still don't really get how n/(n&-n) works=)

Wouldn't that make for a really efficient prime factorization algorithm?

Ah no, you'll get the number itself it is uneven already:)

ais523

9:31 AM

finding the smallest odd divisor (assuming 1 doesn't count) would be really helpful

finding the largest, though, is just a case of repeatedly dividing by 2

Qwerp-Derp

Allo I'm back

mınxomaτ

@Qwerp-Derp Google marketing detected

Qwerp-Derp

Dammit guys

Qwerp-Derp

10:11 AM

Is anyone on?

El'endia Starman

Me. Sadly. :(

Qwerp-Derp

:(

Does this language look clean / readable?

It's meant to be a replacement of HTML/CSS

style (
  section uses (
    #fff colour
    20 font_size
  )
  text uses (
    Candara font_type
  )
)
section derp (
  header 2 "Hello, World!"
  text "
    Hello, World!
    This is multi-lined.
  "
)

Can you understand what's going on in here?

El'endia Starman

For the style attributes, I would put their name first. Like color #fff and font_type Candara.

Doesn't look too bad so far.

Qwerp-Derp

You can understand what's going on, right?

El'endia Starman

Yeah.

Qwerp-Derp

10:21 AM

Ah KK, that's all I need

This lang is meant to be for integration between designers and programmers