The Nineteenth Byte

Right now, my assessment is that this community is very healthy, and doing very well in most stats. For example, my anecdotal experience is that we have a lot of very knowledgeable vim users who are always eager to help answer questions. I'll very frequently try to answer a question only to see ...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

what

DJMcMayhem

12:34 AM

Su, so, u&l, Ubuntu....

quartata

@Downgoat For now you can just have a script that plops it in .vim for the user I suppose

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

SU?

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat I'll try it out if you could point me in the direction of existing syntax highlighting

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ super user

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oic

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

S uper U ser

Downgoat

12:36 AM

@quartata :/ hm ok. I was hoping there was a way to distribute it with vundle or something like that

quartata

@Downgoat You could do that too

Downgoat

I guess I should create the syntax higlighting thing first though

Qwerp-Derp

@Downgoat So yea or nay with the Atom highlighter?

Downgoat

idk tbh.

I'm not sure if anyone who uses cheddar uses Atom

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

s/uses cheddar/is sane/

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

12:38 AM

Flags

Say anything and I'll make a flag out of it. You can also ask ...

Downgoat

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ chat flags are not toys :P

Qwerp-Derp

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ But Atom is good...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

why?

Qwerp-Derp

What's wrong with it?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

usevim.com/2014/03/07/atom-vim

reddit.com/r/Atom/comments/4kj4kb/why_do_you_use_atom

Downgoat

12:41 AM

reason I don't use atom is that it's slow and it lacks nice project managment

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ As an avid vim user, if someone prefers atom over vim that's totally fine. Sure vim is faster, but for some people that doesn't matter.

Qwerp-Derp

I just like Atom

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

atom has other problems IMO

in Flags, 11 secs ago, by ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

such flag much wow

Qwerp-Derp

It just feels good to use

Downgoat

anyone here have experience with vim syntax files?

question: what is display attribute on syn match

DJMcMayhem

12:47 AM

:h display?

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem quesiton: what is difference between \d and [[:digit:]] in vim regex?

   -display {display}	Run vim on {display}		*-display*

@DJMcMayhem not very informative :/

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat uhm..... I'm pretty sure the only difference is that [:digit:] works in a range and \d does not

Downgoat

>_> this syntax files is very confusing to me

" Vim syntax file
" Language: Cheddar
" Maintainer: github.com/cheddar-lang
" Latest Revision: 7 October 2016

if exists("b:current_syntax")
    finish
endif

" Statements
syn keyword primaryStatement let var const if else while for class func


" Basic integer
syn match literalNumber '\d\+'
syn match literalNumber '[-+]\d\+'
" Floating point
syn match literalNumber '\d\.\d+'

am i doing this irght

DJMcMayhem

I haven't written syntax files before, so I couldn't say. I'd help you test it though.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ how do you generate these flags?

quartata

12:52 AM

        /* [is this right?  omnivores end up always disliking the taste] */
        boolean yummy = vegan(&mons[mnum])
                           ? (!carnivorous(youmonst.data)
                              && herbivorous(youmonst.data))
                           : (carnivorous(youmonst.data)
                              && !herbivorous(youmonst.data));

hahahahahahaha

This comment must be ancient

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Carefully

quartata

Also I'm learning all sorts of new things

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

like?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

like.

quartata

Like if you're polymorphed into a tiger instead of "x is delicious" you get "x is gr-r-reat"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

12:54 AM

lol

quartata

And eating a floating eye as a raven gives You("peck the eyeball with delight.");

Oct 1 at 23:18, by quartata

Hmm... what's an appropriate reaction to a disgusting vitamin you found on a dungeon floor

Why am I outsourcing my writing here anyways

Qwerp-Derp

What's the Cheddar file extension?

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem what are " {{{ blocks in vimscript?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

@quartata You add Knit Cap Girl yet? :P

Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp .cheddar, .ches, or .cdr

quartata

12:56 AM

@ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ No because she'll need special coding.

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

Oct 1 at 23:21, by quartata

I'll make sure to add "Knit Cap Girl" as a unique monster in pyramids though

quartata

I'm adding the easy monsters first

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Not sure what {{{ does but " is comment

Downgoat

hm.. ok

quartata

What kind of monsters would like vitamins anyways?

I suppose it depends. I could see carnivores liking protein supplements

Qwerp-Derp

12:58 AM

Can you gimme a test program in Cheddar with everything in it?

Here in my Atom file, just made this new grammar

But do you know what I like more than syntax highlighters?

Parsers

Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/tree/feature-class/test/cheddar

quartata

#ifdef QNETHACK
    } else if (otmp->otyp == PROTEIN_SUPPLEMENT || otmp->otyp == VEGGY_SUPPLEMENT || otmp->otyp == STARCH_SUPPLEMENT) {
      pline("This makes you feel disguistingly healthy.");
#endif

Good enough

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem what do \< and \> do at the beginning and end of vim regexes?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata lol

quartata

It actually doesn't work...

Qwerp-Derp

1:08 AM

Should 0b111 be highlighted the same as 111?

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat start of word and end of word

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata why not?

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Not sure.

Downgoat

:D I think I got cheddar highlighting to work \o/

DJMcMayhem

Cool! Can I test it?

Downgoat

1:15 AM

yeah, lemme just get it on a GH thing

:D :D :D :D :D :D

quartata

Your constructor syntax still irks me

but whatever floats your goat

Downgoat

i asked like 10 times in chat for suggestion so i just went with this ._.

alternative suggestion?

quartata

Goat(args) like most languages

I mean, there isn't anything really wrong with it

It's just my sheer opinion and it's not a very strong one. I don't really care

Doubt I'll get any bites here but I'll reiterate: any pNaCl folk?

ΛεγίωνΜάμμαλϠΟΗʹ

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Say anything and I'll make a flag out of it. You can also ask ...

Downgoat

autocmd BufNewFile,BufRead *.cheddar *.cdr *.ches set filetype=cheddar

@DJMcMayhem can you verify this line for me?

quartata

1:26 AM

@Downgoat That looks correct

lemme double check

also there are other file extensions other than .ches?

Downgoat

people are using whatever extension they want atm so I've added all popular cheddar extensions

(popular meaning ~1 cheddar fiel is using it)

DJMcMayhem

Looks right to me. Are you putting in /after/ftplugin?

quartata

@Downgoat Doesn't work.

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem uh... idk i'm putting to GH rn tho

quartata

I'd upload fancy gif but bottom line is :set filetype? gives filetype=

Not sure what's going wrong that looks right

Downgoat

1:29 AM

Cheddar VIM Setup

@DJMcMayhem ^

quartata

Previously I was having to do set filetype=javascript

Thanks

DJMcMayhem

Could you give me some sample code to try?

Downgoat

27 mins ago, by Downgoat

@Qwerp-Derp https://github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheddar/tree/feature-class/test/cheddar

@quartata you can show your thanks with a star :3 >:P

DJMcMayhem

Looks nice!

Downgoat

:O it works!

DJMcMayhem

1:33 AM

Not only that, it installed effortlessly with vim-plug, so that's good to.

Downgoat

:( doesn't work with vundle

Destructible Watermelon

the let something_instance: someclass = someclass{args} seems kind of WET

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat Just opened issue. :D

Downgoat

uh oh

@DestructibleWatermelon WET?

Watermelons Eating Tomatoes?

Destructible Watermelon

Write everything twice

you write the same thing twice, what is the point of that syntax

Downgoat

1:38 AM

oh of course cheddar would not have that

let something_instance := class { args }

that is reccomended way

Destructible Watermelon

I mean, if you write let something: class= ____{args}, what is the blank going to be?

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat I've seen that before...

Downgoat

I use let a: b = b { a } in the test file as it's more complex synatx

@DJMcMayhem ._. I was about to do a "@DrHamJam pls halp vim bork"

is this question on-topic on vim.se?

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, it should be.

Downgoat

ok, do i need to like give GH link or something?

Or can I be like:

hai vim.se,

pls halp my .vim fiel is:

helloiamvimfiletodetectupgoatordowngoat

and it bork with:

ERROR BORK BORK BORK BORK

Pls halp

tanks

DJMcMayhem

1:42 AM

Actually, you don't need to, I see the problem.

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem fixed

DJMcMayhem

Do autocmd BufNewFile,BufRead *.cheddar,*.cdr,*.ches set filetype=cheddar

Downgoat

i ninja'd you :P

DJMcMayhem

Wha??? It still says you only have one commit...

Downgoat

ik

git commit --amend

DJMcMayhem

1:45 AM

Ah....

Downgoat

@DJMcMayhem question: why do you not use nicer font/fancy vim theme :(

DJMcMayhem

@Downgoat ;_; I like my vim-Gotham

I could probably use a better font though

Downgoat

It is nice but you don't have like fancy powerline

DJMcMayhem

Oh yeah, I haven't set that up yet

What colorscheme do you use?

Downgoat

monokai

it is quite nice

DJMcMayhem

1:53 AM

Boom. Just like that.

Downgoat

:O how u do dis

DJMcMayhem

Plug 'flazz/vim-colorschemes'

I have basically every colorscheme imaginable

El'endia Starman

2:29 AM

Bioware really makes some incredible cinematics...

STAR WARS: The Old Republic – Knights of the Eternal Throne – "Betrayed" Trailer

►

DLosc

2:49 AM

@El'endiaStarman Whew! That was something.

Maltysen

3:05 AM

@El'endiaStarman they outsource the SWOTR ones

but yes they are awesome

do you play swtor?

El'endia Starman

I do not. Maybe someday I will.

I have played both KotORs though.

PhiNotPi

x-post from the chess room: by far the best chess opening is the Bongcloud Attack: chessmastery.com/bongcloud.pdf

6

Destructible Watermelon

what

Maltysen

@PhiNotPi o_O

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi At first, I was suspicious due to the name, and then due to how highly acclaimed it was...then I gradually figured out that it was definitely a joke, and then it became hilarious.

Destructible Watermelon

3:13 AM

> Apocryphally, the Bongcloud is what Jose
Capablanca’s father played with the young
prodigy beat him at age four.

wat

Cannot parse

Maltysen

> If you play 1. e4, be prepared for the Bongcloud.
If you play 1. …e5, expect it.

Destructible Watermelon

I like how it marks Ke2 with an exclamation mark

bongcloud is the kind of thing you play in king of the hill

speaking of which, wanna play king of the hill?

El'endia Starman

I'mma try the Bongcloud attack against a Stockfish level 3 AI.

Destructible Watermelon

the best part:

> The Alapin Defense has a double-edged re
putation. Fast action by White often
demonstrates that Black’s self-imprisonmen
t of his Bishop and Queen is a liability.

PhiNotPi

I like the chapter on the "hyper-accelerated bongcloud"

Maltysen

3:18 AM

> Alekhine reportedly played it at the 1930 San Remo, but this may have been due to a small earthquake aftershock that rattled the board on his second move.

El'endia Starman

Well, that was quick.

Destructible Watermelon

> [referring to attacking a king on h3 with a protected pawn] A pointless check that wastes time. Bl
ack has myopically focused on White’s King,
ignoring the timeless adage of the Bongcloud Ma
sters: “A King is prim on the rim!” The
game is already won for White with his crushing positional advantage.

Qwerp-Derp

I installed Vim

Destructible Watermelon

> Again, Black harasses without development. He
has violated nearly
every opening rule –
frequent pawn moves, lack of development,
pointless checks, and moving the same piece
repeatedly.

El'endia Starman

You don't need to quote so many passages...

Destructible Watermelon

3:20 AM

my favourite part is that it then claims that a move is great

DJMcMayhem

@Qwerp-Derp nice. What do you think?

Qwerp-Derp

I still like Atom better

I'm trying to install Monokai

Destructible Watermelon

... but it actually results in checkmate immediately

Qwerp-Derp

(Vim is just too bare for me)

How do I install a colour scheme on Vim

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, it'll take some customizing

@Qwerp-Derp github.com/flazz/vim-colorschemes/blob/master/README.md

Destructible Watermelon

3:24 AM

I'm going to play this opening and related strategies and see what happens on lichess

aw they moved a knight

Qwerp-Derp

Is it possible to make Monokai the default colour scheme?

DJMcMayhem

Yeah. Add colorscheme Monokai to your .vimrc

Dennis

Do you know of any statistics about which fonts are installed on end-user systems?

My google-fu has failed me.

@Mego github.com/Benjol/SE-AutoReviewComments

PhiNotPi

@Dennis like this? apaddedcell.com/sites/www.apaddedcell.com/files/fonts-article/…

Dennis

I was hoping for something with percentages like the stats on browser or screen resolution usage, but that's a start.

Thanks!

Qwerp-Derp

3:37 AM

Where's the .vimrc?

DJMcMayhem

In your home directory. If it doesn't exist yet, you just have to make it

PhiNotPi

@Dennis closest I've found to something that actually has percents, but it's only for installation percentage on Windows machines: web.archive.org/web/20130423142801/http://www.codestyle.org/css/…

also a page here for *nix web.archive.org/web/20130424082955/http://www.codestyle.org/css/…

Dennis

That was very helpful. Thank you!

DejaVu Sans Mono is present on 35% of all Windows machines and 98% of all Linux machines. Neat.

Qwerp-Derp

Playin' some 3-check!

DLosc

I'm looking for a word/abbreviation to describe functions that are a part of a language, but I'd like something shorter than builtins. Any ideas?

Dennis

3:50 AM

In what context? Jelly calls them atoms.

DLosc

I'm creating a language that's roughly imperative, I have a bunch of stuff defined in builtins.py, and I'm getting tired of typing builtin.functionname :P

Dennis

from builtins import * :P

DLosc

I'm considering it.

If not, maybe steal a page from the C++ book and call it std?

Maltysen

pyth uses macros.py, but that name is because historically it was appropriate when it was just a transpiler

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman on the topic of chess... have you ever realized how much theory material is out there? There's literal tons of books dedicated to specific chess openings (in the style of that PDF, but obviously more thorough and actually serious)

Dennis

3:56 AM

I like atom since it separates user-defined functions by being composed of other functions, but Jelly isn't afraid to use exotic terminology. :P

PhiNotPi

quality control, in my opinion, is extremely poor

Dennis

std or lib seem like good choices.

DLosc

Ooh, I like lib. I think I'll use that. Thanks!

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi How do you mean?

PhiNotPi

@El'endiaStarman maybe a better word is "overpriced." Lots of them hype themselves up as "the best book" to teach you this one "killer opening" to "completely dominate (insert opponent color here)" and then charge $30. Not to mention lots of extremely-low-production-value videos/DVDs.

betseg

4:07 AM

Pro tip: don't have asthma :|

Destructible Watermelon

Centre counter defence and englund gambit 4 life

PhiNotPi

@betseg noted. I'll try to avoid catching it.

DJMcMayhem

@betseg agreed, asthma sucks

betseg

I catched flu and now i can't fucKIN BREATHE :|

I'm at hospital btw

Destructible Watermelon

why does the move stockfish recommends lower the perceived advantage for that side...

PhiNotPi

4:14 AM

@DestructibleWatermelon Lower by how much? It's probably just due to the evaluation depth.

DJMcMayhem

@betseg good luck! I hope you feel better

betseg

Thanks

PhiNotPi

For example... looking 10 moves ahead the computer sees X, but when it actually performs the move and looks 10 moves ahead, it's seeing one move further and can now see things it didn't before.

@betseg sounds pretty bad

Downgoat

@betseg D: that sucks :( hope you get better soon

betseg

Thanks

Destructible Watermelon

4:17 AM

@PhiNotPi Hey, move here! Oh, huge mistake, black is winning now. you messed it up

PhiNotPi

On the plus side, at least you know that your immune system is strong.

(sorry if you don't find my comments humorous)

Destructible Watermelon

black is doing a kingwalk for some reason...

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Downgoat

@PhiNotPi -1 attempting to make humourus joke means they must laugh and laughing requires breathing which is something betseg cannot do, so clearly you are mocking betseg :P

PhiNotPi

Chess openings DVD mega-bundle!!! ichess.net/shop/foxy-chess-dvd-mega-bundle only $999

betseg

4:23 AM

Wtf

PhiNotPi

That's for the download. If you want all of the physical disks, you need to pay an extra $700.

betseg

4:40 AM

@DJMcMayhem use a better font plz

PhiNotPi

apparently that bundle has 800hrs of video

DJMcMayhem

@betseg ;_;

Which one?

DLosc

4:56 AM

@PhiNotPi So $1.25 per hour--compares pretty favorably to most movies on DVD, doesn't it?

betseg

@DJMcMayhem well, there are lots of nice free and/or open source fonts.

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