The Nineteenth Byte

15:00

Also, a creeper blew up the bottom of the sugar cane and took the whole tower down. I have the supplies and will rebuild it later. Don't mess with the little tower, I logged off on top of it.

Katenkyo

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ to prevent creeper damages, replace the second layer of dirst with TNT. That way, you won't see it but it will keep creepers aways because TNT contains the body of their comrades.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

....no

that would be very bad

TùxCräftîñg

._.

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

·_·

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

2.1 removes the JRE_LIB dumb item problem and the problems produced with a new plugin! :D

Katenkyo

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Just trust me and test it, it's magic :D

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:04

....no

that would be very bad

it's right next to my house

TùxCräftîñg

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

you need the http:// before it

New Main Posts

4

Q: Select the word around the given index in a given string

In Windows, when you perform double-click in a text, the word around your cursor in the text will be selected. (This feature has more complicated properties, but they will not be required to be implemented for this challenge.) For example, let | be your cursor in abc de|f ghi. Then, when you d...

TùxCräftîñg

^^^ yep, it's magic

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

2.1 site online

But no plugins are.

A "Hello, World!" one is in the works.

TùxCräftîñg

15:06

> TODO: Put a sane description here.

ಠ_ಠ

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Also, I forgot to update with the 2.1 site location.

Katenkyo

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Trust me, if a creeper explode there, your home will be teleported in a parallel dimension to protect it

TùxCräftîñg

^

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

GitHub pages now allow custom domains, apparently.

TùxCräftîñg

leaving a enormous hole

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 yep

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:08

@Katenkyo ....no

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

2.1 site location revealed at Bug Free Spork page.

With GitHub Pages' generator, it's easy peasy. Trust me.

TTGTW on plugin.

Leaky Nun

@Katenkyo are you still here?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

15:23

@LeakyNun ...no.

Leaky Nun

@Katenkyo Anyway, when you come back, you can try my challenge

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

One problem I found in my plugin's initial code:

/*******************************************************************************
 * Copyright (c) 2000, 2003 IBM Corporation and others.
 * All rights reserved. This program and the accompanying materials
 * are made available under the terms of the Common Public License v1.0
 * which accompanies this distribution, and is available at
 * eclipse.org/legal/cpl-v10.html
 *
 * Contributors:
 *     IBM Corporation - initial API and implementation
 *******************************************************************************/

wai

Nathan Merrill

Each of the tilings listed here have numbers under them. I know that they describe the tiling, but I can't figure out how. Can anybody explain how it works?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I don't know if I can circumvent this and legally remove the copyright comment.

Nathan Merrill

oooh, this is definitely going to be a challenge

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

15:28

It is a challenge to produce the plugin completely independent of extraneous, in my opinion, copyrights.

Nathan Merrill

lol

Leaky Nun

1

A: Select the word around the given index in a given string

C, 74 bytes p[99];i;main(l){for(scanf("%d",&i);scanf("%s%n",&p,&l),i>l;i-=l);puts(p);} Expects the input on stdin to be the 0-based index followed by one space or newline, followed by the string. E.g.: 2 abc def

Is this answer valid?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@LeakyNun Fun challenge, Thanks!

Leaky Nun

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ @NathanMerrill @DrGreenEggsandIronMan You three seem to be amongst the experienced users here

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan thanks for the compliment.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

?

Leaky Nun

15:29

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ is the answer above valid?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Huh?

Leaky Nun

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan ?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh, you're wondering if that C answer is valid?

Leaky Nun

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan yes

Nathan Merrill

@LeakyNun I'm guessing based on the fact that it has a maximum length of the string

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

15:31

Well, since strings really suck in C, it seems reasonable to ask for some maximum string length.

Leaky Nun

that's a 1:1 vote

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ your vote counts

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

It's somewhat arbitrary what number you pick, but it's not unreasonable to pick something.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@LeakyNun i'ts deleted?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You can't see deleted answers (yet)?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

nope.

Leaky Nun

15:31

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ oh, sorry

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

<2k rep

Nathan Merrill

@LeakyNun meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2214/…

Leaky Nun

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ basically, it has maximum word length of 99

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@LeakyNun Look at some of the comments on this challenge:

28

Q: Where should I put my mirror?

This is a mirror: |. I just found out that you can stick a mirror in the middle of a string if the string can be mirrored on itself! For example, the string abccba. If you cut it in half the two halves are mirror images of each other: abc <--> cba So, we can stick a mirror in the middle of t...

code-golf string palindrome

Leaky Nun

@orlp Can you undelete your answer?

@NathanMerrill how does this answer my question?

Nathan Merrill

15:33

pretty much everybody says that a char[] is fine

char arrays inherently have a maximum length, so its fine to me

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

So, I only have two choices: either I legally get that comment out of the plugin, or I never push to production my new Hello World Plug-in.

Nathan Merrill

what is this plugin for?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

This plugin... is just for fun.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Oh, I gtg. Bai everyone!

Nathan Merrill

no, what are you plugging into?

Leaky Nun

15:35

@NathanMerrill then what maximum length is fine?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Eclipse 2.1.

Leaky Nun

It could be turned to p[9] to save a byte

Nathan Merrill

@LeakyNun I'd say that p[9] is fine as long as it passes your test cases (or if your spec has an explicit requirement otherwise)

Leaky Nun

@NathanMerrill really.....

Nathan Merrill

but that's a personal opinion, and as far as I know, there's not a meta post on it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

15:42

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan bai!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

15:55

Okay now, I tried to get the actual code out. Pray it doesn't violate any copyright.

Optimizer

pasteleft

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Optimizer heh

The plugin works :D

When running it in the Run-time Workbench:

• I see the Hello Menu, with the Hello Action that returns a message with text "Hello, World!"

Hello @GraceNote :D

Grace Note

Hi

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

• I see a gray rhomb on the toolbars, meaning the Hello Action. When I hover on the gray rhomb, it comes yellow and when I click it, a message comes out with text "Hello, World!"

Without bugs, it works.

Is the plugin ready? Nope.

Create a feature project.

LegionMammal978

FINALLY

> Nice work, LegionMammal978, you've just advanced to Level 4 .

3

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:08

@GraceNote what brings you here?

Grace Note

Just passing by

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

k

Grace Note

Got a poke last week from someone asking for your rep levels to never go up, wahaha~

Fatalize

She's here to announce that we will never get a design

Grace Note

But that was just on a routine patrol while I was working on that whole "What does PPCG need to have differently than the network" thread I asked you guys to make back at graduation.

LegionMammal978

16:09

@Fatalize Nah, it will be in 6-8 weeks :p

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@GraceNote ?

@LegionMammal978 s/2-3/6-8/

Grace Note

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Just an off-hand comment during the graduation announcement.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@GraceNote any updates on design? I know somebody is working on it.

Optimizer

@Fatalize she's here to announce that our unique design says the word "beta" right after the site name

10

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> Rule #1 of The Nineteenth Byte: Don't trust the llama.

Grace Note

16:11

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Like I said, we're working on looking at those extra changes the community asked for first.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

oh

huh, TIL.

Optimizer

@GraceNote nice! few hints on which ones?

LegionMammal978

^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@GraceNote things like a better help center and question upvotes?

Fatalize

Question upvotes are now worth 2 reputations

Grace Note

16:12

Question rep is unlikely to change unless it's a global change

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@GraceNote When did you ask us to make it? o.O

Grace Note

51

Q: We're not a Q&A site. But what should be done about it?

It has come up several times recently (more than usual) that PPCG differs from most of the other Stack Exchange sites in that it's not a Q&A site. People don't come here to ask a question because they have a problem, people come here to solve recreational challenges. The most valuable contributio...

discussion site-health

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Ah k :)

Also, I'm not becoming Sp.

Martin Ender

@GraceNote Ah well, I've been meaning to go through some of those for ages and flesh them out into separate feature requests. Could you let us know if there are any that are especially likely to happen or which ones we should prioritise?

I suppose you're currently mostly looking into text-only changes?

Grace Note

@MartinEnder If possible I'd like to look at stuff beyond that when possible (other than question rep changes), but I'll have to finish my review of the sitch first. Slightly squashed between hosting a bunch of elections and also the upcoming Docs deal so I haven't been treating this the right amount of attention.

Optimizer

16:15

your profile pic is from which anime?

Martin Ender

Do you have any idea how for example changes to the help centre are going to work? They would be quite extensive if they happen, so it would probably too big in scope for the community to draft all the changes, but at the same time you'd probably need community input to figure out what exactly needs changing?

> probably

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Optimizer Ambiguous question. Grace Note has a different profile pic per site.

Optimizer

doesnt matter, she's ignoring all my questions anyways

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Also, @GraceNote is 6 your actual location? XD

Grace Note

@Optimizer She's not from an anime, she's from a game, as are all of mine

@MartinEnder I don't know yet. The basic process is going to be something like "I look over the list and do basic feasibility of 'Never' or 'Maybe' on everything, then I get together with one or more devs and we talk about base feasibility at all, then we discuss scope of how to implement changes that we think are possible", something like that.

Martin Ender

16:22

sounds good to me :)

Grace Note

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Back when we only had the trilogy and MSO, it took me 6 hours to accumulate more reputation on Meta Stack Overflow than I had from 6 weeks of time on Stack Overflow leading up to my first meta post.

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

Will "non-moderator" users be able to help at all? Idk about anyone else, but I'd love to help with it if it requires community help/input at all.

2

Grace Note

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan If there are parts where I'll need to ask for clarification about a particular request, it'll probably happen in the thread but anyone would be able to provide input, yes.

PhiNotPi

@HelkaHomba I'm working on preparing a set of music samples for you. Not necessarily finished samples, just more of a "which one of these should I keep working on" -type thing.

Grace Note

Is this still the latest request for question rep changes?

Martin Ender

16:33

I think so

It came up again in this post but that's a bit different in scope.

Grace Note

Mmkay

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Do I have an emoji? code-golf string Given an input string in your language, return true or false if the input contains an emoji character. Acceptable output: 1/0 TRUE/FALSE true/false YES/NO yes/no Sample test cases: "" -> 0 "💩" -> 1 "hello💩" -> 1 "hello" -> 0 "!±≡𩸽" -> 0 Discu...

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

@GraceNote There's also this one, which is related:

8

Q: Count question score toward tag badges

Related: Increase reputation awarded for questions It has recently came to my attention that tag badges are only awarded based on answer votes. For a site like Stack Overflow, that makes sense, as providing good answers is the perfect way to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about in...

feature-request questions badges

Although IMO the rep change is a much bigger/more important deal.

TùxCräftîñg

O HAI! IZ TUXCRAFTING.

quartata

I'm actually fine with question upvotes staying as they are

Like, I'd prefer them to be +10 but there's much bigger things that I'd like to see changed than that

muddyfish

16:50

I think the question badges would be good but possible hard to implement

TùxCräftîñg

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ someone starred my message

dorukayhan

is it normal to have more badges on a per-site meta than the site the meta is attached to?

muddyfish

@TùxCräftîñg could you stop with the spam?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

github.com/schas002/bugfreespork/commit/…

Grace Note

@DrGreenEggsandIronMan I'll post my answer on the one I linked, I think that's the more appropriate place

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

16:55

And also, the Hello World Feature is now online on my v2.1 download site :D

Grace Note

I've technically had this explanation for "Why we're not doing this" for months but never actually posted it. Or written it, really, which is why it's not instantly up right now

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

And soon, a guide to "Downloading Eclipse 2.1 Plugins for Dummies." :P

TùxCräftîñg

hai @El'endiaStarman

El'endia Starman

hallo

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman you have been beaten by the amount of solved problems to Sp3000.

(Project Euler it is.)

TùxCräftîñg

17:04

hai @NathanMerrill

El'endia Starman

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Hmm. I don't think that @Sp3000 and I are friends on Project Euler.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@El'endiaStarman His friend code

Add him, and you'll see.

LegionMammal978

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 You beat me to that response

4 hours ago, by Sp3000

170921_c0f8f4b27c0522b9a7870a97143214cb

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

I already do. elendia (your user) shows up only as 2nd with 142 problems, but Sp3000 (his user) shows up as 1st with 203 problems.

El'endia Starman

Oooh, yeah, he's pretty far ahead of me.

Nathan Merrill

17:11

I feel quite bad for the state of SE's code after PPCG gets its desired features

it could cause quite a mess :)

El'endia Starman

I have another 'friend' icy001, though I don't remember their IRL name, that has 210 problems solved.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Is he not on SE, either?

El'endia Starman

I mean, I have no idea who icy001 is.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Oh. :/

El'endia Starman

> icy001 last solved a problem 1436 days ago

The fact that it's been about four years doesn't help at all. :P

Nathan Merrill

17:14

@El'endiaStarman add me 401542_8dXaxhPlqrCMMiMz7IKqT35fQlirfR5f

I've solved 68

TùxCräftîñg

and me: 997086_CfbH4xrnDVnlArCkjeMGbS9SaZC0GzkH

hai @Downgoat

Downgoat

@TùxCräftîñg hello!

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Downgoat are you on PE?

Also, hello!

Downgoat

no

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

:(

Downgoat

17:16

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 .o/

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Got you, thenameipicked. :P

Nathan Merrill

:)

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@NathanMerrill Welcome to my friend list!

Hey, I've seen this name on another site before...

I've seen it on the Board Game Arena.

Nathan Merrill

:)

its my username everywhere

the only reason you guys see Nathan Merrill is because my SE account is just my google account

and I care about employers discovering my SE account

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Open the Install/Update perspective, then:

>- Right click the Feature Updates view - New - Site Bookmark - enter a
meaningful name in the `Name` field - enter
`schas002.github.io/bugfreespork/v2.1/site.xml` in the `URL` field -
Finish - open the folder with the name you chose - Other - Hello World Feature
1.0.0 - Install by adding to the Selected Updates - open the Selected Updates
view - right click it - Process All - Next - agree to the "End User License
Agreement" that is actually the Unlicense - Finish - Install - restart the

^ How to install the Hello World Feature.

Nathan Merrill

17:19

bah, both you and Sp3000 have solved Totient maximum problem

@El'endiaStarman

El'endia Starman

@NathanMerrill Which one is that?

Nathan Merrill

projecteuler.net/problem=69

I'm going in order

Downgoat

cheddar> mathjs.format.c(mathjs.sqrt.c(-4))
2i

if anyone asks if Cheddar supports complex numbers I can now tell them to just use mathjs :D

Nathan Merrill

I don't remember why it was difficult, but I remember being stuck on it

quartata

@Downgoat does Cheddar support complex numbers without using a library

(one of the reasons people still use Fortran instead of C)

El'endia Starman

17:21

@flawr Well, that was mostly because I sorted problems by difficulty....

Downgoat

@quartata its planned but i have more important things to complete atm than complex numbers

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@NathanMerrill We share 5 solved problems! :D

El'endia Starman

@flawr And yes, 188 needs the same central trick. I'll bet you're supposed to solve 312 with the knowledge gained from 188, not the other way around... :P

@uoɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC It definitely is. Given time though, I could make SW3D fun again. But I'll finish Pytek first.

orlp

seems like the bot is slow today with posting new challenges

I posted a new challenge guys, gogo!

Nathan Merrill

@MartinEnder have you done much with geometry/tilings?

New Main Posts

17:34

3

Q: Print all alphanumeric characters plus underscore

Write a program or function that prints or returns a string of the alphanumeric characters plus underscore, in any order. To be precise, the following characters need to be output, and no more: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789_ When printing to stdout, an optional...

code-golf kolmogorov-complexity

Downgoat

cheddar> ((a=String.letters)->a)()
< Unprintable object of class "CheddarExpressionToken" with literal value undefined >

XD

I forgot to evaluate` String.letters` so it just returns the tokens

TùxCräftîñg

ok

why have you deleted the answer ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

@TùxCräftîñg because it contains a constant containing 9 or more of the characters above.

TùxCräftîñg

k

Leaky Nun

@orlp Is my answer valid?

quartata

17:47

@orlp Can I output the characters with a newline between each one? It's the only proper way I can do it in this language (aside from a giant string obviously)

orlp

@LeakyNun seems like it

@quartata what language?

Leaky Nun

@orlp Is \w a constant?

quartata

@orlp Cinnamon Gum

orlp

@LeakyNun yes, but it doesn't 'contain' the literal characters abcdef....

Leaky Nun

@orlp Well, that would depend on the implementation...

orlp

17:48

@quartata never heard of it, but sorry, I don't really wanna make the specs muddy

@LeakyNun well, there's your answer

Leaky Nun

@quartata the language where you compress a string?

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

The most convoluted answer I've ever posted.

0

A: Print all alphanumeric characters plus underscore

V, 27 bytes i1122ñYpñvHgJ|éidd@"Í× Try it online! This answer is horribly convoluted. I'll post an explanation later. Hexdump: 00000000: 6916 1631 1b31 3232 c3b1 5970 01c3 b176 i..1.122..Yp...v 00000010: 4867 4a7c c3a9 6964 6440 221b c38d c397 HgJ|..idd@".....

Leaky Nun

@orlp I mean, the implementation of regex.

TùxCräftîñg

ಠ_ಠ

Leaky Nun

Something like classes["w"]="ABCDE...123456789_"

quartata

17:49

@orlp I don't see how it's all that different from having a trailing newline at the end

TùxCräftîñg

(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡logic

quartata

You can just say prints the string with an optional trailing newline after each character

El'endia Starman

@orlp Wait, now I'm confused. You've banned all built-ins and constants whose values contain nine or more of the desired characters, right? That should include \w by my thinking, in any implementation.

TùxCräftîñg

wait... CR New Main Post is called Captain Obvious ಠ_ಠ

El'endia Starman

Unless it's used as part of a regex to keep only the desired characters from a larger string, I suppose.

quartata

17:51

Wait, \w is allowed?

orlp

Regex and \w is fine, those are not constants that contain those letters. But any built-in method that directly gives you 9 or more distinct characters, such as string.ascii_letters is disallowed. — orlp 48 secs ago

\w is not really different than C's isalnum for example

it doesn't give you the characters

quartata

except when you have a built-in that generates all strings that match a regex

which I do

orlp

it's a test to see if a character is a word boundary

@quartata then go ahead

quartata

But it'll output them newline separated, that's the problem :PP

Eh oh well

orlp

nope

not allowed :P

damn I still need to fix my sorting challenge

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

17:58

Eclipse 2.1 is dumb.

Delete, without questions.

The thing I learned from my experiences in Eclipse is: NEVER USE IT.

It is so dumb, that it won't even work.

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