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6:00 PM
@PhiNotPi Alright. Cool :]
 
Because Eclipse is dumb, I deleted the bugfreespork repository.
 
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ;__; y u do dis
 
y u do dis ;__________________;
 
Because Eclipse is dumb.
Doing plugins for it is meaningless, because it won't even work.
 
._.
 
6:02 PM
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 considering that like 70% of Java devs use Eclipse and like it, it's probably you doing something wrong rather than eclipse.
 
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 ಠ_ಠ
 
@Downgoat 70% of Java devs made "steroids" for Eclipse so that it works.
Let's do something more lively.
 
okay who here ddosed cheddar websiet ;__;
 
6:04 PM
@Downgoat ?
 
@Downgoat I honestly wonder how much of that is because Java is such a stereotypical programming language. Kinda like how IE would (probably) be the most-used browser in typical big business offices, and most users probably would like it.
 
@LegionMammal978 its not working ;___;
@safari y u do dis ;_;
 
@HelkaHomba To be honest, I'm not a fan of the sample music you sent me.
 
the site work for me
 
oh ._.
 
6:04 PM
@Downgoat ^^, try cheddar-lang.github.io
 
that works ._.
 
What is so special about nineteenth byte ?
 
we're going to change it in a bit
 
@ritwiksinha It's the best chat room.
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@ritwiksinha We're better than the CR chatroom
 
6:06 PM
we're almost shaved it to the eighteenth byte
3
 
@PhiNotPi no why the name ^_^
 
32
A: Let's think of a creative name for our chatroom

dmckeeWell, the traditional generic name for the country club bar is "the nineteenth hole", which suggests The Nineteenth Byte or something like that.

 
@PhiNotPi name could anything else
 
@ritwiksinha because it has 19 bytes in the name
 
@NathanMerrill is one character, one byte ?
 
6:08 PM
most alphabetic characters are 1 byte, depending on your representation
 
yeah ok i confused myself now
 
I mean, anything on your keyboard is 1 byte
 
anyway there are lot of members here
 
yeah, we've slowly grown
 
(As long as you don't have a universal emoji kbd, that is)
 
6:10 PM
@LegionMammal978 yeah i know i just got a bit confused between bit and byte
 
Bit == 1 or 0. Byte == 8 bits (usually)
 
Oooh, "The 152nd Bit"
"Hundred-Fifty-Second Bit"
 
That is ironically seven bytes shorter.
 
@NathanMerrill The reason TNB was chosen, was because the string was 19 bytes.
 
I know, I keep on trying to come up with a variation with bits
that still is 19 bytes
 
6:17 PM
How to setup the seriously Python 3 package?
I mean, how to make it run code?
 
@NathanMerrill Yeah, and the name isn't any better. It's more syllables.
 
@NathanMerrill The Hungry Geobits is unfortunately too short
 
> 7 Bytes
 
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 carefully and not on windows.
 
6:20 PM
you could make an argument for The Full Geobits, and just indicate that the rest of the bytes were eaten
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Is C9 okay?
 
@NathanMerrill Smashed to Geobits
 
actually, Smashed to Geobytes is 19 bytes
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Some users have reported sporadic failures when logging in.
Strangely, the creation of an instance of Seriously on C9 failed with 500 Internal Server Error.
IDK if the two are related...
 
6:24 PM
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 You're using an ancient version of it you realize
It's from 2004
Of course it's not going to be as good
 
@NathanMerrill seriously?
 
@TùxCräftîñg for instructions on how to install, look up a couple of messages
 
@TùxCräftîñg cjam?
 
no, jelly!
 
Segfaults for me when called twice: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/e266e18271e25b2b. If you make a function instead of a full it must work as many times as desired (this is a default rule). — orlp 17 mins ago
Why would it segfault?
 
6:28 PM
I was disgracefully kicked out of C9.
Thanks, Cloud9 IDE. :|
 
ven
@LeakyNun you're using n without passing it
of course it segfaults. it's UB. anything could happen.
 
@ven I don't get it, but whatever.
 
ven
f(n){...}
then it's called as f();
you said you'd pass a "n" parameter, yet you didn't. whoops! UB.
 
@NathanMerrill My guess: Wythoff symbols.
 
6:36 PM
Everything is on fire, broken and working dumb!
I can't do anything on C9!
 
@quartata working on learning TI ASM :D
 
@ven UB?
 
ven
@LeakyNun undefined behavior.
 
@Dennis feature request for Try it online!: hosting older versions.
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@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ lel gl
 
6:40 PM
I just got the sportsmanship badge! \o/
 
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it's horrid. of the 2 tutorials I've found, both are outdated and have missing files
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ There's a wikibook
 
@quartata which is missing the supposed include file.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ lel gl
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan nice
 
@DrGreenEggsandIronMan \o/ \o/ \o/
 
6:41 PM
⍀º⌿
 
uh
you may need to see a doctor
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do the new challenge in J!
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ That's just for cross building it I think
 
@LeakyNun the new challenge??
@quartata huhwat
 
⌿—­⍀
 
6:43 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Assembling on x86
 
:D 100 helpful flags!
 
@quartata okay, well, that doesn't help much :P
 
@TùxCräftîñg: If you wanna play with striking through various pieces of text, go here: Sandbox.
 
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Q: Select the word around the given index in a given string

Leaky NunIn Windows, when you perform double-click in a text, the word around your cursor in the text will be selected. (This feature has more complicated properties, but they will not be required to be implemented for this challenge.) For example, let | be your cursor in abc de|f ghi. Then, when you d...

 
6:43 PM
Right I'm saying you don't need it
Just use Asm(
 
use asm on what
@LeakyNun I may know what a fork is but I am not a J master and do not see a way to do this.
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ oh, I meant this
 
C9 is now working normally :D
However, its cloning function dumbily.
 
@El'endiaStarman I actually figured it out. Unfortunately, somebody already took my idea.
 
6:52 PM
@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Planned since like forever, but not implemented yet.
 
Finally got static IP and port forwarding working on my Pi. Now I can SSH into it from anywhere \o/
 
0
A: "Hello, World!"

TùxCräftîñgRews, 20 CP437 bytes ïHello, World!¿≡ Explanation ïHello, World!¿ Insert in the buffer the text "Hello, World!" ≡ Output the content of the buffer

yet another esolang by me
 
6:53 PM
@LeakyNun done, but I figure you already knew about that XD
 
@NathanMerrill Aw bummer. :P
 
7:05 PM
Ooo, close to another Populist badge. Neat.
 
0
Q: Listing all closed cycles in a list

AguyI'm new here. I tried seeing if this challenge was introduced before. Found a close call one counting the number of cycles, but not one for listing them. So I'm writing this one. Sorry if I'm repeating... Anyway, I'm looking for the shortest function to return all close cycles in a shuffled list...

 
sl*t and siri are both 4 letter words starting with s
Just saying
 
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡logic
ಠ_ಠ
 
7:21 PM
beauty^
 
the amount of non-ppcg people on TNB is insane
 
How to make Cloud9 obtain input from a file using a runner?
 
without haste
 
I run srs -d -i -f c9run.seriously < c9run_input.txt on my new awesome Seriously instance on C9, and
srs: error: unrecognized arguments: < c9run_input.txt
 
7:24 PM
You're probably using sh
 
cat c9run_input.txt | srs -d -i -f c9run.seriously?
ïHello, ¿¢ï40+50¿»#ûx¢ÿxï!
what i have done ;_;
 
@TùxCräftîñg What is it? :3
 
a Rews code to print Hello, 90! by processing 90
but the version is unreleased
now it's commited github.com/tuxcrafting/rews
 
7:40 PM
Idea: output a 4×4 block of asterisks - the specs didn't say the characters couldn't overlap - there are lots of tiny fonts out there! — Yimin Rong 1 min ago
wtf
 
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡ಠ¯ಠ
his profile page is
> I like eating and manual labor.
 
I can't even
How does that even come close to being all alphanumeric characters?
 
did you guys like my challenge?
pretty easy but interesting golfs
 
@orlp I was rather surprised we didn't have something like it already.
 
@orlp how did you decide on 9?
 
7:52 PM
all digits
 
@NathanMerrill all digits - 1
 
off by one error :P
 
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ no I golfed it
10 = 2 bytes, 9 = 1 byte
 
ah, so you wanted it as big as possible without including any major set of characters
 
no, 10 = 2 bits
:P
 
7:54 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm using base 10
like everyone
 
yeah. you're using base 10
 
you see
EVERYONE, ALWAYS uses base 10
 
I bet graphic artists don't
 
 
not in unary :)
 
7:56 PM
@Doorknob I'm still not convinced unary is actually a proper base
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I might be biased though, 2 is my favourite number
being the fundamental integer that represents choice and thus information
 
@orlp Lambda calculus may disagree with you
 
@TimmyD why?
 
Church encoding is basically unary
 
I mean, unary can be an encoding if you have some medium that is just a scalar
I'm not arguing that
I just don't really think it's a base numeral system
 
Why not? It's probably the most natural system for representation of numbers.
I mean, tally marks have been around practically forever.
 
8:04 PM
@TimmyD because it has many exceptions to the rules of base numeral systems
@TimmyD yes, but there are infinite representations of numbers that are not base numeral systems
for example roman numerals
and IMO, tally marks
 
Define "base" in a logical non-trivial manner so that unary does not meet that definition
I'm kinda curious what you have in mind that makes unary different from any other base
 
Tally marks are basically unary, right?
 
@El'endiaStarman Yes
 
@El'endiaStarman Pretty much. Most real-world tally systems use specialized notation (like slashing |||| to indicate 5, for example)
 
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A: What would base $1$ be?

MJDI would like to expand on Trevor Wilson's answer. Base-$b$ representation of integers is rooted in the fact that, for any non-negative integer $n$, there is a unique representation of $n$ in the form $$n = \sum_{i=0}^\infty a_ib^i$$ where $0 \le a_i < b$. For example, when $b$ is 3, and $n$ is ...

 
8:06 PM
Pokemon GO is not up in my country, not even the client! :D
So I'm safe from the PkMn GO fad!
 
basically, unary works fundamentally different than other bases
it's not positional
there are no leading zeroes that would make the length irrelevant - in fact the length is the only thing that matters
which is the exact opposite of every other base
every other base uses 0 <= d < n for digits
then base 1 wants to be special by wanting d = n
 
@orlp The post you linked to argues that base-b numeral systems are bijective
@orlp That's fair
 
@quartata the post I linked does not ever use the word bijective
so not sure what you mean
if your argument that it's a base numeral system because it's bijective with the natural numbers I think you've missed my point
the roman numerals are bijective with the integers
so is every other encoding
 
I'm not saying that unary is not an encoding, it is
I just don't think it's a base numeral system
 
8:11 PM
@orlp sorry, I meant that there is a unique representation for every n
I'm not sure how the leading zeroes thing has anything to do with unary not being a base
I get your part about the 0 <= d < n
 
@quartata so do roman numerals :)
 
And I agree that means that by that definition a "base-1 numeral system" doesn't make sense but it's still positional
 
it's not positional
the position of each tally is irrelevant
|| is the same as ||, but 45 is not the same as 54
 
@orlp In unary it is
 
@TimmyD That's his point (that || and || are the same)
 
8:15 PM
So are 45 and 54
 
those are not the same?
 
In unary they are
 
Oh
 
no
that's base 10
45 doesn't exist in unary
 
I'm assuming a digit set {"|"}
 
8:15 PM
because unary doesn't contain two symbols
 
We've established by convention to use | or 1 or whatever, but the marks themselves don't matter.
 
4 and 5 are two distinct symbols
no matter what convention you use
 
Sure, so what?
 
you can not use two distinct symbols in unary
then it's not unary anymore
 
Why not? It's not positional.
 
8:16 PM
so it's not like other bases
which is his point
so your point is meaningless
 
@TimmyD the definition of unary is that it has one symbol
 
If unary is a proper numeral system it doesn't make sense to have a digit set larger than 1
Then there isn't a unique representation for each number
||, 44, etc are all 2
 
@orlp Err, no, the definition of unary is that it is base-1
 
another problem with unary is that if you talk about base-n in general you have to either exclude 1 or you can't say stuff that it takes log_n(x) digits to represent number x
@TimmyD thanks for agreeing with me
 
I feel like we're arguing past each other
 
8:19 PM
and I feel you're intentionally being thick
 
@orlp All right, I see your point.
 
This conversation is meaningless anyway, a base is specifically for positional systems which unary isn't
 
I kinda got confused for a second until I realized (being the chowderhead I am) it doesn't really make sense ||| -> 1^1 + 1^1 + 1^1 and consider it positional
 
consider it like whether 1 is prime or not
it's not really clear-cut either way
I just think it's more useful if we say that tally marks (or commonly referred to as "unary") isn't a proper numeral base
 
@Fatalize Precisely this.
 
8:21 PM
So base 1 doesn't exist, but unary does
 
That's a better way of putting it, thanks.
 
I just used the term unary to make it easier to have this discussion
obviously what unary refers to still exists
actually
hrm
I'm not exactly certain what the 'ary' in unary implies
Late Latin unarius ‎(“consisting of a single thing”), from unus ‎(“one”).
I guess unary is fine
base-1 I take issue with though
 
Then what's base-0? ;-)
Or negative base?
hehe
 
@TimmyD oh there are some legit negative or even complex bases
@TimmyD and it's actually quite useful
for example in negabinary you can write all positive and negative numbers without an explicit negation sign
 
Probably. I seem to remember reading some article about a Phi-base a handful of years ago. I think it was Phi.
 
8:29 PM
I was summoned?
 
Uh
Sure
Are you a base?
 
all your phi are belong to us
 
Are you an acid?
 
wow my challenge already has 30 answers
in 3 hours
and it's not a catalog
 
!!summon PhiNotPi pgs01234 240
 
8:31 PM
Hehe ... phinary
 
Wrong token. ._.
 
@PhiNotPi I'm mostly composed of an acid of 7 pH. That's the highest numbered acid!
 
I understand unary vs binary a bit better now
unary is a perfectly cromulent word
so is binary
but binary does not necessary imply base-2
you can have other binary systems, such as base -1 + i
and base-1 can get lost :P
unary/binary/Xary just means the number of symbols in the set of your numeral system
 
@HelkaHomba I'm uploading the first 9 samples as I type.
 
@PhiNotPi samples of what
 
8:36 PM
@orlp How do these "rules" 1-4 correspond with the fact that 0.99999999... = 1? That's two separate representations in decimal for the same number.
 
dangerous biomatter?
@TimmyD decimal requires finite representation
infinite series are different
 
Oh, I must have missed that in the paragraphs.
 
@TimmyD for example, 1/3rd can not be represented by fractional base 10
 
@NathanMerrill not much beyond what I've come across through PPCG, why do you ask?
 
We wants to use some of my music for one of his video series, so he asked me to write some. So I have a bunch of music samples, and I am asking him which one I should focus my efforts on.
 
8:38 PM
@PhiNotPi usually in the music world a sample is referred to a reusable piece of sound as a component to make further music
did you mean 'examples'?
or are you really making samples for him?
(e.g. for a noteblock mod)
 
I'm not really sure if "examples" is the best word either. Maybe "snippets."
 
like, I was 90% sure what you meant was samples in the traditional sense of the word
it just kinda gets ambiguous in music :P
 
@HelkaHomba Here, let me know what you do/don't like. I think, however, you personally like major/pentatonic stuff, which most of that music isn't.
 
user image
5
jupiter from the bottom
 
@VTCAKAVSMoACE ^
 
8:53 PM
@orlp This picture is kinda disturbing to me.
 
@TimmyD don't keep it open too long or it might fall down
 
What if it's actually a picture of Jupiter from the top?
 
That reminds me. How do ships in Star Trek always appear right-side-up to each other? Is there just a series of navigational buoys when you enter a planetary system that says "This way up." or something?
 
@PhiNotPi define 'top'
 
@orlp That's my point.
 
8:57 PM
@TimmyD you can do this with background radiation I believe
The cosmic microwave background (CMB) is the thermal radiation left over from the time of recombination in Big Bang cosmology. In older literature, the CMB is also variously known as cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) or "relic radiation". The CMB is a cosmic background radiation that is fundamental to observational cosmology because it is the oldest light in the universe, dating to the epoch of recombination. With a traditional optical telescope, the space between stars and galaxies (the background) is completely dark. However, a sufficiently sensitive radio telescope shows a fai...
 

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