The Nineteenth Byte

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:00

LICEcap

Helka Homba

ew :s

Alex A.

@BaldBantha Truer words have never been spoken

Avocados are worth the emotional rollercoaster though

@QPaysTaxes Doorknob has a neat thing for that on his GitHub

quartata

@QPaysTaxes xscast for terminals

ffmpeg for anything else

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. Yeah, use that when you want to show keypresses too.

I've used LICEcap for screencaps and I like it.

Alex A.

If you find that your screen is GUI, you've probably left it in the sun too long

3

quartata

00:04

ffmpeg

Helka Homba

@QPaysTaxes not sure how well it works but if you have screen recording software something like ezgif.com/video-to-gif can be used to convert

it's more hassle though, undoubtedly

Quill

(n=>Array.from(Array(n),(_,i)=>i).map((e,i,a)=>`${e}+${a[n-i-1]+1}=`+n))(3)

that's much golfier

still has duplicates though

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman I use lightshot for screen captures

Helka Homba

@Optimizer I almost believed that until I saw who was talking >_>

@AlexA. put it in the freezer to get code

Alex A.

lel

Quill

00:15

no duplicates or 0+: (n=>Array.from(Array(n),(_,i)=>i).map((e,i,a)=>i!=Math.floor(n/2)&&e!=0?${e}+$‌{a[n-i-1]+1}=+n:'').filter(n=>n!=''))(3)

Alex A.

I thought of a good name for a JavaScript minifier: Trash Compactor.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

Helka Homba

ɹɐɥ ɹɐɥ

dıp pooƃ = ɐɥɔɐɹıɹs + oʎɐɯ

Quill

@AlexA. many developers each year have to life with JavaScript in their lives, with your easy, affordable monthly donations to us at the Quill Foundation for Misguided Developers, maybe together we can give these people a second chance.

oh wow...

var a = true
!!a // true

Helka Homba

What makes people dislike JS so much? I agree it can kinda be a mess, but I don't hate it

Quill

00:21

Because type coercions and truthy comparisons

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Screen captures as in gifs/videos? Or still-frame screen shots?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Oh, still-frame

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba I'd hate to live in a world without it

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill what's wrong with that?

Quill

var a = ''
!!a // false

Nathan Merrill

00:23

@HelkaHomba a language's messiness is the number 1 factor in determining whether I like a language

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Because '' is falsey

Quill

it just feels hacky to be able to double reverse something

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

people do it in java all the time

Quill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I know why, but still

El'endia Starman

>>> x = 0
>>> not x
True
>>> not not x
False
>>> x = 1
>>> not x
False
>>> not not x
True

Helka Homba

00:24

@Quill Ok. Though "I have " + p + " puppies." is more convenient than "I have " + str(p) + " puppies."

El'endia Starman

You can do it in Python too.

trichoplax

Doesn't python complain without the str()?

Helka Homba

That's what I mean

El'endia Starman

@trichoplax I think that's the point that Helka is making.

Quill

@HelkaHomba and if p is an object, then you're probably gonna get annoyed when it doesn't throw a interpreter warning and spits out something useless

Nathan Merrill

00:25

@HelkaHomba its possible to do that kind of clean code and still have static typing

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill If p is an object, I'd blame the user/programmer, not the language.

Nathan Merrill

but not in dynamic languages

Helka Homba

@Quill In what language could you not apply the "not" operator to something twice?

Quill

@HelkaHomba I don't know man, maybe I just don't like the thought that it's a thing

trichoplax

Surely it's the type coercion that's the problem, rather than the number of applications (for those who find it a problem at all)

Quill

00:27

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ And yet, programmers still love to throw their hands in the air and curse at JS

@trichoplax Type coercion is the problem indeed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill Programmers curse at every language :p

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax I agree. What do you mean by "number of applications"?

Quill

I'm working on both fixing it and making it throw a compiler warning, but I need to know how to override default constructors

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

C:\>SET /A N=0
0
C:\>SET /A R=!N
1
C:\>SET /A Rp=!!N
0

Heck, you can even do it in BATCH :P

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill "I agree. What do you mean?" made me read twice...

Nathan Merrill

00:28

lol

Quill

var a = ''
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!a // false

trichoplax

@NathanMerrill Quill was talking about applying not twice

Nathan Merrill

can't you just do bool(a)?

Quill

It'd be a thing like "if ! negate all that follow"

Nathan Merrill

@trichoplax ah

Helka Homba

00:29

@trichoplax ok, but what is expected besides conversion to bool?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill is that a problem?

Quill

meh

5 mins ago, by Quill

@HelkaHomba I don't know man, maybe I just don't like the thought that it's a thing

Helka Homba

I guess it's weird that you can 'not' a string in the first place, but it can be handy

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba I don't personally see a problem at all. But if there's any complaint to be made about !!a returning a bool, surely it's that it converts a to a bool, not that applying it twice gives a bool

> 'not' a string

Helka Homba

:p

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:33

he just verbed not

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ And punned on "knot".

Helka Homba

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ik :3

trichoplax

Yeah it's the knot that I was picking up on

I'm pun focused

Helka Homba

Anyone know a generalized scrabble solver site that lets you type in more that two blank letters (unlike scrabble-solver.com)

Just a word matcher I guess, nothing to do with scrabble letter limits

trichoplax

00:36

Crossword solver?

Geobits

If anyone has any ideas here, earn yourself some of that sweet android rep:

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Q: Can I make Google+ photos pickable from Hangouts?

I have a Nexus 5 with Android 6.0.1. When I'm using Hangouts for MMS, the photo picker doesn't show any of my public G+ photos or albums. I can send them through the Photos app, but having to switch in and out is becoming a pain. The image picker in Hangouts allows me to Open from -> Photos, but...

Bald Bantha

@HelkaHomba get on and check it out

Helka Homba

Oh God

Bald Bantha

:::::DDDD

Quill

(n=>Array(n).fill``.map((_,i,a)=>i<=n/2&&i>0?`${i}+${n-i}=`+n:'').filter(x=>x))(300)

~~kinky~~ golfy

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:39

why not just .filter(x=>x)?

Quill

> sweet android

haha the mods don't even want the site

Geobits

I hesitated to even ask there, tbh.

Quill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ <3

trichoplax

Is anyone else seeing problems with loading imgur images through SE?

Quill

right at this second, yes

Geobits

00:41

Hmm, I'm not.

Maltysen

@Quill does & work instead of &&?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill <3 ^_^

Quill

@Maltysen <3 for you too

quartata

It's always really bothered me that self-closing script tags don't work

6

I know why they don't work but it's still annoying

trichoplax

I'm getting images working fine then not a few minutes apart

Maltysen

00:42

@Quill <3 =)

I can never remember what languages that trick works under

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Quill also, you don't seem to use ,a in the map.

Quill

ah, I did like a few revisions ago

double domo arigato

Helka Homba

What's the bear equivalent word for "humanity"?

Alex A.

grrrrr

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bearocity

Maltysen

00:43

@HelkaHomba bearkind?

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba the species or the quality?

Alex A.

It just occurred to me that you may not mean in the language of bears

Helka Homba

Because Oh the Bearmanity

Crushing gummy bears with hydraulic press

►

Geobits

> Oh the ursanity!

Alex A.

Hydraulic Press Channel is the most immediately descriptive name for a YouTube channel ever.

Maltysen

00:45

n00b arduino question: how do you set port values? is it through registers or memory maps or special cpu instructions or what? (in C)

Quill

Helka Homba

@Geobits ah, good job

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen port = N

:p

Bald Bantha

@Quill ತ_ತ

The upgraded ಠ_ಠ

Helka Homba

Ursa = Bear. Ursula = unattractive name

trichoplax

00:48

@HelkaHomba Is that a machine operated by a person with tiny hands, or is that an unusually large gummy bear?

Helka Homba

@trichoplax vat19.com/item/…

Bald Bantha

or ರ_ರ for blind

Geobits

Congratulations, you've thoroughly corrupted Minibits:

in Chat Relay - PPCG Minecraft Server, 5 mins ago, by Chat Relay

<Rune_Blade> AVOCAD

Bald Bantha

@Geobits Your welcome

Maltysen

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ the answer was that system libraries do it for you, btw (I don't know why I ask here before googling)

trichoplax

00:49

> There is no candy more magnificent or more powerful

Quill

@Geobits how can he play with a broken arm?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Maltysen ah XD

Quill

unless he controls the mouse with his feet?

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba That's amazing and crazy. How could anyone eat all that??

Geobits

@Quill No, he's alternating keyboard and mouse with his right. It's pretty impressive.

Bald Bantha

00:50

@Quill ╚(ಠ_ಠ)=┐

Geobits

It takes more than a broken arm to stop him from playing minecraft.

Bald Bantha

@Geobits thats pretty cool

@Geobits (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

spawns in twenty creepers

Geobits

Oh now that's just mean :P

Bald Bantha

By the way, if your wondering what is with all the faces, I discovered textfac.es (Oh noes) along with a unicode chart for the modified "ಠ_ಠ"s

Helka Homba

00:52

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm the only one who could do that. Time to help decorate your house.

Bald Bantha

ಗ_ಗ eyes closed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@HelkaHomba ಠ╭╮ಠ plzno

Bald Bantha

ಗಗ face palm

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

is Rune_Blade minibits?

Bald Bantha

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ಠವಠ clearly

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:54

o_o

quartata

Ooh, new substitutions xkcd

Bald Bantha

@quartata (づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

Geobits

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yes.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ah cool

Bald Bantha

trichoplax

00:57

@BaldBantha Do you know xkcd oneboxes?

Bald Bantha

I already had xkcd up

I know, I could have done xkcd.com like so:

xkcd.com

NOPE

Doesn't work

trichoplax

@BaldBantha I mean if you paste the link to the specific comic instead of the link to the image then we can read the hovertext from here...

If you scroll down you'll see that it's comic #1679

http://xkcd.com/1679/ would work

Like this:

BREAKING: Channing Tatum and his friends explore haunted city

Also makes it full size

Quill

are there any terminal plugins that play a sound when the terminal command you're running finishes

trichoplax

@Quill I just use my laptop fan

Nathan Merrill

52

Q: How can I trigger a notification when a job/process ends?

The place I work at has commands that take a long time to execute. Is there a command/utility that I can use to notify me when the command execution is over? It could be a popup window or maybe a little sound.

command-line unix process notifications

quartata

01:09

@Quill Put a bell character in your prompt

Geobits

That's a surprisingly unbad idea.

I don't think mine will actually make the noise though.

quartata

Yeah, gnome terminal is bugged

There's a fix but I don't remember what it is

Nathan Merrill

correction: everything is bugged

trichoplax

@Geobits as a more specific test, can you see the image in DrGreenEggsandHamDJ's 2 star message?

Geobits

@trichoplax Yes, both in the transcript and clicking through the link.

trichoplax

01:12

Interesting. I see neither, but plenty of other imgur links seem fine

Geobits

Hmm. Maybe it just hates you?

trichoplax

My original problem is trying to find out if images show in this question on the other CG

They don't for me, but I don't know if it's a formatting problem or just imgur (for just me...)

Geobits

They do for me.

trichoplax

That's good to know. Thanks for checking

PhiNotPi

I'm making some good progress on my crafting game. Right now it has the ability to determine if a given entity fulfills the requirements of a given ingredient (a single slot of a crafting recipe).

Maltysen

01:21

@NathanMerrill the NSA is listening :P

quartata

Rats, the jQuery Github repo doesn't have pre-built versions.

I wanted to add it as a submodule

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bai

Bald Bantha

bai

quartata

Am I allowed just to add jquery.js directly to my repo? I haven't read their license

A Nerd - I

bantha-is-somewhat-right?

Quill

01:32

@quartata read their license

quartata

ok

It's for my github.io so I'm not exactly thrilled at the prospect of having to gpl my website or something

Maltysen

@BaldBantha why is calvin flying?

quartata

It's MIT I see

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

An idea for a king-of-the-hill challenge: You have a "memory arena" with a fixed size. You have several programs which "reside" in the memory arena (I mean you take the assembly and put it in the arena). The goal of the game is to get another program to access memory outside of this "arena" wh...

El'endia Starman

@Maltysen It's the Elytra!

They enable you to glide, and it's my favoritest thing about Minecraft right now.

Alex A.

01:43

strawpoll.me/10189447

Geobits

I would have answered that poll differently not long ago, but Helka is worming its way in.

It took quite a while for 'Rusher' to fade away too IIRC :P

Alex A.

Rusher...?

Rainbolt?

trichoplax

When I first arrived in TNB there was a group of people who would say "Rusher! Rusher! Look it's Rusher! Rusher's back!"

Yes

Alex A.

No one celebrates when Rainbolt comes back now. :P

(kidding of course <3 rainbolt)

Geobits

Aug 1 '14 at 21:16, by Geobits

Cool. I'm definitely going to start calling him Rusherbolt then.

Alex A.

01:56

Gemoji image for :trollface:

Oh wow, copy and paste fail

Geobits

Here ya go!

Alex A.

Oh hey, it's Pietu1998

Helka Homba

@ಠ_ಠ is pingable. Does that mean shenanigans are asock?

Alex A.

It means that shenanigans have been afoot sometime in the recent past, not necessarily at present.

Helka Homba

@AlexA. btw chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/29598951#29598951

Alex A.

02:05

haha I saw that

Beautiful

Helka Homba

@AlexA. just making sure

Alex A.

@LuisMendo I'm so sorry, I forgot to respond! Yes, you explained it very clearly indeed. Thank you very much, I really appreciate your help!

Helka Homba

it actually looks very avocado despite pixel art resolution

Alex A.

Yes, it was immediately identifiable as an avocado

Who made it?

Was it bald banshee or whatever his name is?

Maltysen

lel

Helka Homba

02:07

epicTCK yea

Alex A.

epicTCK is Bald Bantha?

Geobits

No, Bald Bantha is epicTCK.

Helka Homba

mhmm

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Why does git always ask me why a merge is necessary? The answer is the same every single time. "I have no idea."

2

Alex A.

If that doesn't fix it, git.txt contains the phone number of a friend of mine who understands git. Just wait through a few minutes of 'It's really pretty simple, just think of branches as...' and eventually you'll learn the commands that will fix everything.

Maltysen

02:08

is there no setting for that?

Geobits

@AlexA. Even minibits instantly recognized it :/

quartata

Git Is shiT

Alex A.

@quartata That is false.

quartata

The true meaning of the acronym

Geobits

It's the worst system ever, except pretty much everything else.

Maltysen

02:09

@quartata ಠ_ಠ

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Git: The stupid content tracker.

Or Goddamn Idiotic Truckload of shit, depending on your mood.

Geobits

Also, random OoC quote from the network:

> It'd take a ballsy lawyer to say "You lost the authority to execute me when I murdered you!".

Alex A.

I like Git a lot. It definitely has drawbacks but it's so much better than Subversion.

quartata

(Actually don't have anything against git just had to make the joke)

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

^ ^^

Dang it quartata, now it looks like I'm agreeing with you, not alex.

Alex A.

02:11

Oh you

Geobits

@AlexA. That's like saying you like bread because it's much better than dog crap.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Wow, crossed out ~~carets~~ carrots look weird.

Alex A.

@Geobits Well... I mean technically that's accurate...

El'endia Starman

^v

Geobits

^_^

quartata

02:12

Just because subversion is centralized doesn't mean it's bad

Geobits

@AlexA. Sure, but meaningless :P

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. I actually really do like git. It's just that it confuzzles me.

Alex A.

3 mins ago, by Alex A.

@quartata That is false.

@Geobits Since when does anything I say have meaning? :P

Geobits

Well, anything is better than CVS, so there's that. And I mean anything. A thumbdrive full of unorganized files is better than CVS.

Helka Homba

Walgreens > CVS

Alex A.

02:13

I don't think I was alive in the early 1900s when people used CVS for version control

Maltysen

@Geobits a thumbdrive full of unorganized files is better than a lot of things

Alex A.

@HelkaHomba Hm, Rite Aid or Walgreens?

Geobits

@AlexA. I used it less than a year ago :(

Alex A.

Oh. :|

Geobits

Not by choice.

Alex A.

02:14

I figured

I'm sorry for your loss

quartata

Decentralized imakes things complicated and is highly unnecessary for most small projects. I'd rather have a version control system that is easy to use than is decentralized

also cvs is terrible

Helka Homba

> imakes

Alex A.

Subversion is super not easy to use

Helka Homba

You makes what?

Alex A.

I think it's an Apple product

iMakes

Geobits

02:15

Oh, I thought it was a typo for emacs.

Helka Homba

iVocado

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Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@HelkaHomba I would pay top dollar for that.

quartata

Subversion is very easy to use uwotm8

Geobits

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Probably requires a proprietary juicer :/

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Well yeah, but it's a distant cousin of the open source one.

Alex A.

02:16

I had to use Subversion for my previous job a few years ago. I prefer my current company's version control system: no version control at all.

Geobits

Hah, been there. It's fun being a rebel for a while, but...

Alex A.

And this is coming from someone who wishes daily that we had version control

Helka Homba

Stop one-starring my clever remarks

Alex A.

@Geobits I've been pushing for 3 years now for my group to start using version control. My boss would say, "Yeah I agree it would be good but then people would have to learn something new." (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Geobits

@AlexA. Ah yes. This is how I end up working on Java 5 projects >_>

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:19

@HelkaHomba s/1/1+1/

Alex A.

@Geobits 5?!?!

Geobits

five

Alex A.

Side note: This is the same boss who didn't believe me that Java and JavaScript are unrelated.

quartata

OK I'll bite. What exactly did you find annoying about svn?

PhiNotPi

@Geobits rhymes with the letter S

Alex A.

02:20

@QPaysTaxes Well, Java(Script) isn't really used in my field of work so he can get by without it. He's super smart and a great boss though. He actually left last week. :/

@QPaysTaxes Biostatistics

Yeah

Geobits

You don't use the almighty JS for biostatistics? Well color me shocked.

Alex A.

There's probably a jQuery plugin for biostats though

A Nerd - I

Isn't it obvious? Javascript is a programming language (citation-needed) and Java is a type of coffee.

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Does it? Or are you just biased?

quartata

I didn't know Geobits came in accessory colors

PhiNotPi

02:22

> rainbow and unicorn avatar

Geobits

@quartata Sure, but they cost more.

Cool. Send over some swatches and we'll talk about how the whole thing will work together.

Maybe something that pops a little more? Like this.

Helka Homba

@QPaysTaxes Just dump Phi on him

Alex A.

@Geobits Mmmm dragon fruit

PhiNotPi

I'm taking suggestions for tags to add to my game. (current stuff: github.com/PhiNotPi/CraftingGame/blob/master/tags.dat)

Alex A.

code-golf

Geobits

02:26

@QPaysTaxes I dunno. Then we're straying into purple territory. If you want to keep it pink I'd avoid that.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Woah. I was browsing through my starred chat messages and I found this one: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=21587285#21587285

Blast from the past from when I had 666 rep and just used chat for the first time.

miles

mini-bump for Mego's question codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/79545/jordan-decomposition

PhiNotPi

@QPaysTaxes for my game?

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Hmm. It's a bit light on my screen. A bit orangey too. It's not terrible, but I've seen better.

Now that's pink.

PhiNotPi

Also, I support using my avatar's color for your paint.

Alex A.

02:29

PhiNotWallColor

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/240?m=21587285#21587285

Alex A.

Haha

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

It's the first time I ever met you. *sniff*

Alex A.

<3

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Not bad. Getting there.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

02:30

They grow up so fast.

I don't know who I'm referring to.

Alex A.

Who's they? ...You?

Geobits

Dhje grew up so fast...

Alex A.

Djembe

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It seemed like something that someone who's being nostalgic would say.

Quill

This remains my favorite commit in over 5 years at Stack Overflow. Result: https://twitter.com/nick_craver/status/593474120685375488 https://t.co/5KOW3URwqn

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on May 12, 2016 at 12:37 AM

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Alex A.

02:33

That's beautiful

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

How do I juce avodad? I ty for 10 minits ad no juic

Alex A.

Avocado juicing instructional video

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@AlexA. I should have learned to not trust you by now.

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Q: Zeroes at the end of a factorial

Write a program or function that finds the number of zeroes at the end of n! in base 10, where n is an input number. It can be assumed that n is a positive integer, meaning that n! is also an integer. There are no zeroes after a decimal point in n!. Also, it can be assumed that your programming ...

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