The Nineteenth Byte

Downgoat

00:02

$ cpm install math
will code later

i make good error messages

Bald Bantha

@Downgoat cpm stands for cheddar what?

Downgoat

@BaldBantha cheddar package manager

its too long

Quill

Cut Paste Murder

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Q: Free privileges with "Graduation Usersheet"

I just noticed something about my account. I just recently discovered the Graduation Usersheet. I then noticed that I was (not actually) close to getting the privilege "See Vote Counts". I tried it on a question, and guess what? I turn the stylesheet off? I don't want to lose this privilege, but...

Quill

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GitHub issue plox...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:12

@wizzwizz4 I hope you liked my RC question, never doing that again.

Too much confusion...

Quill

The API exposes the up and down count as API responses aren't associated with a privilege level for most cases. It's pretty easy to write anyway. — Quill 46 secs ago

yessss

Let me DuckDuckGo that for you

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:DDDD

Geobits

Oh cool, it's like google but worse.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

...

Downgoat

@Geobits ಠ_ಠ

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:21

TIL 3 and 2 close votes for separate reasons can still close.

Downgoat

why has no one closed my question yet... ;_;

trichoplax

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ 5 separate reasons works too

Quill

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it closes as the majority reason in that case, yeah

Downgoat

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Q: Grunt + Babel successfully runs but doesn't do anything

javascript node.js npm gruntjs grunt-babel

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

cool

Downgoat

00:22

pls close vote at typographical eror

Doorknob

@Geobits The first result here seems relevant. :P

Quill

@Downgoat because it's SO

Downgoat

@Quill because it's so, is not a very specific reason :P

trichoplax

@Downgoat Can't you just self answer and leave it open?

Downgoat

@trichoplax but it should be closed

Quill

00:24

@Downgoat because there's a lot of off-topic posts posted and some posts just get ignored or missed

Helka Homba

Quick generational poll: how many people do not have at least one song from at least 7 of these 60s bands in their personal music collection (mp3, vinyl, cloud, w/e)

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba Without checking, I don't

Doorknob

@HelkaHomba This question would work better if I had a personal music collection. >_>

Quill

@HelkaHomba 4 or 5 from the top 10

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@HelkaHomba ... Jimi hendrix, rick astley, and dubstep make up my music.... >_>

Geobits

00:25

@HelkaHomba I know a lot of this music, but in my personal collection? No. And I'm old :P

trichoplax

@Doorknob Same here...

Helka Homba

@trichoplax I hope you have at least one Beatles song .-.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Geobits is over 60, fyi.

/s

trichoplax

@HelkaHomba Nope. I don't have a music collection.

Helka Homba

@Geobits I guess by "personal collection" I mean "collection of music you commonly listen to", that could be a pandora station or youtube playlist

trichoplax

00:26

Lots of tremendous artists in that list, I just don't own anything

Geobits

@HelkaHomba Again, no. I know basically all of it, but that's from when I was a kid and my dad listened to it ;)

Helka Homba

._.

Time to go ask on music.SE and see what the response is

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@HelkaHomba do you listen to it?

Helka Homba

@Geobits Don't feel bad. I've met people older than you.

trichoplax

Like me...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:30

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I didn't even notice you were in chat. HAI AGAIN.

Geobits

Yea, tricho's really really old too.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ hai

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

HAI

But seriously, I thought Peter Taylor was the oldest PPCGer?

Geobits

Hmm, didn't we have this talk a week ago?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

but nobody ever answered that specific question.

trichoplax

00:32

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ The estimate a few days ago was that it was the implementer of a dithering algorithm

Geobits

(sorry, memory's shot cuz well...)

Mama Fun Roll

ESMin 3 finally works in another browser other than Firefox!!!

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Yay!

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@trichoplax wtf???

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll :D :D :D did you use babel?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ did you delete skype?

Geobits

00:33

@MamaFunRoll Give me something to type to see what happens in chrome.

trichoplax

May 4 at 1:40, by Alex A.

He's my bet for oldest user

Mama Fun Roll

@Geobits It doesn't work in Chrome, just Webkit Nightly.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

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Sp3000

@HelkaHomba I'm pretty sure my whole collection has no song by a Western artist, let alone 60s

Geobits

So not actually another browser then? ;)

Mama Fun Roll

00:33

Something bugs out Chrome if I run the interpreter :P

Downgoat

@Geobits Just go to a unicode palette website and copy paste some characters :P

Mama Fun Roll

I'm almost there

trichoplax

May 4 at 1:38, by trichoplax

Possible contender? Wrote the built in they used...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ eh? oh, yeah, I closed it out

Mama Fun Roll

Almost, just that one error that sets me back

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:34

@MamaFunRoll .... So you choose FF and a really obscure browser?

Mama Fun Roll

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Hey wai not? :)

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ webkit nightly is used by a lot of people

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@MamaFunRoll because chrome is grate and does al things

Mama Fun Roll

In my defense, WK nightly has 100% ES6 implementation

So

I had to get it to work there

A Javascript golfing language that I created awhile back.

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes it's a JSGL known for heavy use of unicode

Mama Fun Roll

00:35

Hehe

um

Geobits

JSGL has the worst pronunciation in my mind.

Mama Fun Roll

Well... You see, ESMin has no docs.

Geobits

Juzzgull? I dunno what that's supposed to be.

Mama Fun Roll

I'm still working on it.

Downgoat

@Geobits Jazz Gull. Like a Jazzy Seagull

Mama Fun Roll

00:36

Everytime I start on docs, some idea comes up that ruins it all.

Geobits

@Downgoat Could be another vowel there, but...

Downgoat

@Geobits .....

Mama Fun Roll

Yep, the source is annotated. That may help you

Downgoat

Hello @DrGreenEggsandHamDJ

Mama Fun Roll

but it's sorta hard to read the code.

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

00:38

Hello, @BovineThatHasBeenRotated180Degrees.

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Yes. Exactly those and no other.

Mama Fun Roll

@QPaysTaxes That's why I'm on v3 and still no docs :P

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Downgoat

@MamaFunRoll have docs be autogenerated then

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ cough jolf needs more docs cough

Mama Fun Roll

00:39

@Downgoat Hence annotated source

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@QPaysTaxes app?

and which language?

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ I prefer the term caprinae

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ Bovine is cow.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ meh I'll get to it

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

...

Downgoat

00:41

can someone please test Cheesecloth on their computer by running this:

git clone github.com/cheddar-lang/Cheesecloth.git && cd Cheesecloth && npm install && grunt install --alias

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ Ah, you're right. I should have said bovid

@Downgoat I'll do it.

Does OS matter?

Or pre-requisites?

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ as long as it is a bash shell. (you need node installed)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

why not windows?

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Does git bash work?

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ there is a bash shell for windows now

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:42

ik

copies into CMD

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ windows doesn't work like linux so no

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

@Downgoat Wait there is? is that officially out now?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat it's working

Downgoat

@DrGreenEggsandHamDJ optimizer posted something about it

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ :O really?? \o/ :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think

Downgoat

00:43

I don't think the aliasing will work though

Dr Green Eggs and Ham DJ

Where? How?

Downgoat

@QPaysTaxes would you like to see the source code

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

what's the bash shell called?

CYGWIN or something?

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes You could probably save time for more of that "work" stuff by using one of the million preexisting to-do list things.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Interesting read:

Programmers Stack Exchange Blog: 20 controversial programming opinions

Yannis Rizos on August 29, 2012

One of the very first ideas we had for this blog was to convert some of the wonderful gems of the early era of our site, the undisciplined period, to blog posts. Questions that were once enthusiastically received by the community, but no longer fit Programmer’s scope.

The first deleted question I’ve chosen is Jon Skeet’s “What’s your most controversial programming opinion?” question (available only to 10K+ users, sorry), a +391 scored question that was originally asked on Stack Overflow on January 2, 2009. What follows are twenty of the highest voted answers, in random order… …

Geobits

00:45

@QPaysTaxes Ah, I see. Ok, yea it's good practice for that.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@QPaysTaxes but-it-is-still-epic-because-it-is-epic

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Right, and it will unify everybody under one standard app :P

quartata

@QPaysTaxes Is this Desert Survival? Why not just stick with Ruby?

I know the oo refactor didn't work out but the original is still workable

Geobits

You're going to use C for a text-based Android game? Masochistic much?

Oh..... ok then :P

Because no, that's why.

It's not the hardest thing in the world, but much more pain than necessary.

Hmm. That might work, depending on how it's done. Android's UI stuff is a fair bit different though, so porting will still take some doing I think.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat it's taking forever.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:50

^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

^

Downgoat

it'll take a while, it has a bunch of stuff to install

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wait why can I type stuff

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

wait, i don't have grunt

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ you don't need it

Geobits

00:50

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ You can only stuff cheese through a pipe so fast... be patient :P

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Downgoat

it installs it for you

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Down ok, what should I do now?

Geobits

Probably, yes. Definitely separate the display for sure.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat it finished no errors?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@QPaysTaxes ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

00:51

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ok, that's good

Geobits

You could even openGL a lot of it to help with future ports.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat no, it doesn't.

@Downgoat I had to install grunt myself.

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ it said grunt command not found or something like that?

quartata

OpenGL is super ez

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

yeah

Geobits

00:52

Especially for a nice ortho sprite game.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat what should have happened?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat I ran npm install -g grunt-cli and then npm install grunt --save-dev and trying the grunt install --alias and it worked.

Geobits

Boo isometric :P

quartata

load texture draw quads refresh boom ez

Downgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ ok. Do grunt --memeify and then do cpm juic avocad

(or don't do grunt --memeify and do cpm install avocad the boring way)

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ it should exit nicely

Geobits

00:53

Use a hex grid either way.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Downgoat ok, so what should I do now?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat currently at

Rikers-MacBook-Pro:Cheesecloth rikerw$ cpm juic avocad
Attempting to install avocad...
Attempting to install from github.com/cheddar-lang/cheddar-libs/trunk/avocad/config.ini...

seems to have froze

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do ./dist/bin/cpm install avocad

Geobits

@QPaysTaxes Oh I suppose..... :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Conor O'Brien@ConorPC MINGW64 ~/documents/programming/Cheesecloth (master)
$ ./dist/bin/cpm install avocad
bash: ./dist/bin/cpm: No such file or directory

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:55

@Downgoat cpm works for ~~eminem~~ me

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do ./node_modules/.bin/grunt install --alias --memeify maybe

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ :D :D :D :D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Conor O'Brien@ConorPC MINGW64 ~/documents/programming/Cheesecloth (master)
$ ./node_modules/.bin/grunt install --alias --memeify
bash: ./node_modules/.bin/grunt: No such file or directory

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat it's borked

quartata

Do ls

Downgoat

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ do npm install

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ uh oh. what error happened?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

00:56

or it takes 15 minutes.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

maybe we should take this into a cheddar room

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Downgoat no error, but frozen. stuck at same as here.

TO THE SLACK

quartata

@Downgoat did you fix the circular imports?

Downgoat

@quartata nah, I'm procrastinating work on Cheddar by doing side-projects like Cheesecloth which I shouldn't be doing

quartata

why

still can't see why you can't roll your own requireOnce @Downgoat

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