The Nineteenth Byte

zyabin101

17:00

$ racket greeting.rkt
Andrew
"Hello, Andrew!"

$ # o/

$ # \o/

Downgoat

\o/

@zyabin101 o/ is valid racket code?

zyabin101

@Downgoat Nope, this is run in the Git bash, from the Racket program folder.

Downgoat

oh

zyabin101

And v

> o/
o/: undefined;
 cannot reference undefined identifier
  context...:
   P:\ath\to\Racket\collects\racket\private\misc.rkt:87:7

Downgoat

what should the error for accessing an undefined property be?

> RuntimeError: Undefined is not an object evaluating ____

^ is that good?

flawr

17:02

Yes.

Downgoat

but it's the same as JS's's errrors

are stack traces really that important does Cheddar need them?

zyabin101

@Downgoat Nope.

Downgoat

okay

zyabin101

But it needs carrots pointing to the token that is failing.

Downgoat

it does

zyabin101

17:04

@Downgoat Show it.

flawr

You really named it Cheddar?

Downgoat

@zyabin101 okay, lemme get an example:

flawr

ಠ_ಠ

Downgoat

    Cheddar> foo+2
    Execution Stack:  [ CheddarPropertyToken {
        Index: 3,
        _Tokens: [ CheddarVariableToken { Index: 3, _Tokens: [ 'foo' ] } ],
        Type: Symbol(Property) },
      CheddarNumberToken { Index: 5, _Tokens: [ 10, 0, '2' ] },
      CheddarOperatorToken { Index: 4, _Tokens: [ '+' ] } ]

    foo + 2
      ^
    [RuntimeError: Function [object Object] not found]

flawr

Why didnt you call it goat cheese or chèvre?

Downgoat

17:07

@flawr -_- those are odd names and no one will remember how to spell chèvre or both to put an accent

Fatalize

Cheddar ain't really more clever

3

Downgoat

neither was Raspberry Pi but it caught on

or Python

flawr

Mozarella

Emmenthal

Downgoat

Mar 26 at 22:22, by Alex A.

cheddar

flawr

@Downgoat There are actually people speaking french=)

@Downgoat alex-is-wrong

Dennis

17:09

esolangs.org/wiki/Emmental

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I demand that you answer my question that I commented you.

Downgoat

@flawr though most people don't

LegionMammal978

(just for the ping)

flawr

@Downgoat Most people do not speak englihs.

Dennis

@Downgoat If you're going by percentages, most people also don't speak English.

ninja'd

Downgoat

17:10

strawpoll.me/7325116

flawr

Camembert

Fatalize

damn

no mistake in that sentence

besides the missing ?

Downgoat

@Fatalize that would cause a syntax error

LegionMammal978

^

Helka Homba

@Downgoat I don't but I can cobble together what that means

LegionMammal978

17:11

^ Same

flawr

A majority seems to parle français.

Fatalize

@HelkaHomba Some people that answered "Oui" are probably in the same boat

Downgoat

Dennis

I don't speak French, but I still think some kind of goat cheese would be better than cheddar. If you want something that easier to spell and pronounce, you could go with Feta or Caprino.

Downgoat

@flawr s/le/ler/

El'endia Starman

17:13

I pretty much guessed, like Helka, that the question was asking if I spoke French, and hit "non" accordingly.

Fatalize

@Downgoat @flawr to parler français

flawr

Well but there is a to.

Fatalize

well yeah

so it's infinitive

El'endia Starman

But anyway, English is the lingua franca of technology for now, and everyone in here knows English, so...

zyabin101

Are one choice straw polls getting out of hand?

LegionMammal978

17:14

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman So you responded no to do you speak French, with both question and answer in French? :P

flawr

Let's not argue about the grammar of mixed english and french=)

Downgoat

I ninja'd you

flawr

flag-as-cheese

Downgoat

flag-as-cheddar

El'endia Starman

17:15

@Dennis When you watch several people who are learning French converse in French, you tend to get an idea of what a few basic words mean... :P

zyabin101

1. Nay - 3 votes (60%)
2. Yea - 2 votes (40%)
wat

Fatalize

French vocabulary is fairly simple to learn for English natives, since they share so many words

El'endia Starman

But anyway, I love the idea of "Goat Cheese" in place of "Cheddar". :P (I'm totally fine with the name remaining the same.)

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Dennis

@El'endiaStarman j/k I ran away as fast as I could from the French class I had signed up for, but even I understood that question.

Downgoat

@Fatalize but there are lots of words that look/sound like english but are actually different words.

Fatalize

17:17

@Dennis surrendered his French classes

@Downgoat Well sure there are some false friends, but generally removing the ending of a french word and adding y makes it the equivalent english word

Dennis

I'm number 1811 in Code Jam. o_O

Downgoat

@Fatalize Jy parley francay?

zyabin101

@Dennis O_o Username?

And another question: why are you from Paraguay?

Downgoat

@zyabin101 Downgoat

Dennis

8 hours ago, by Sherlock9

@zyabin101 It's DennisMitchell

@zyabin101 Why not?

El'endia Starman

17:19

@zyabin101 He's not from there, but lives there.

LegionMammal978

strawpoll.me/7325195

zyabin101

@LegionMammal978 Uno choizo?! >_<

Downgoat

@LegionMammal978 base 7 is septaray

(I tihnk)

Fatalize

heptary methink

LegionMammal978

Oh well

Dennis

17:21

Pro tip: Jelly does base -7 natively.

LegionMammal978

> Which of 10 types of people are you?

zyabin101

@Dennis Base -7? O_o

Fatalize

Pro tip: Jelly does * natively

LegionMammal978

Pro tip: Jelly does strings natively

Downgoat

@Dennis why base -7?

LegionMammal978

17:22

@Downgoat Because negaheptary is cool-sounding

Dennis

@Downgoat Jelly's base conversion built-ins support all integer bases.

bad typo is bad

Downgoat

> ass integer bases

4

I hope that's a typo

LegionMammal978

@Dennis Make it support base exp(pi)

Dennis

Not sure how that happened. s and l are pretty far away from each other...

Downgoat

In cheddar should it be Pi or pi or PI?

Fatalize

17:23

π

Downgoat

@Fatalize that wasn't one of the options...

El'endia Starman

@Downgoat Do you have any other built-in constants?

Downgoat

no

LegionMammal978

@Downgoat It's still 2 bytes long

Downgoat

maybe I might asdd eulers constant

@LegionMammal978 it's difficult to type on my keyboard so I'm not going to make it that character

El'endia Starman

17:25

For that, you should probably do e, so I would suggest pi correspondingly.

Fatalize

do you have namespaces in Cheddar?

Downgoat

yes

zyabin101

@Downgoat Whoa! @ 54:14? That's fast.

Fatalize

Math.pi

Downgoat

@zyabin101 ?

@Fatalize eeww no, JavaScript does that...

LegionMammal978

17:26

In[1]:= FromDigits@RealDigits[56, Mod[Exp[Pi], 10], 50]~N~50

Out[1]= 1212.0111210210022212002300101102120222102112020301

Pro tip: Mathematica supports non-integral bases natively

zyabin101

@Downgoat 16976 Downgoat 15 54:14

Downgoat

oh \o/

I should solve the other challenge soon...

El'endia Starman

@LegionMammal978 Pytek will too.

Downgoat

halp, I don't understand any of the code jam problems ._.

zyabin101

> Time Remaining: 8 hours 30 min

Public service announcement: Google Code Jam 2016 qualifications close in 8 hours 30 minutes.

Helka Homba

17:31

Would you guys get a Tesla if you could? - strawpoll.me/7325320

El'endia Starman

Y'know, these PSAs are usually pretty unnecessary.

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I will keep pinging you until you answer my comment

aditsu

@HelkaHomba I'd get one if it was self-driving

El'endia Starman

@aditsu They're getting pretty close to that.

Dennis

@HelkaHomba 216 miles is more or less what I get from my "normal" car.

aditsu

17:33

I know

El'endia Starman

Teslas can already drive on the highway and change lanes autonomously.

Helka Homba

@Dennis But gas stations are easy to find (in the US)

aditsu

I want it to find a parking spot by itself ^_^

also, I don't drive

Dennis

@HelkaHomba That's not true everywhere.

Optimizer

@El'endiaStarman haha "pretty close"

Sherlock9

17:34

Another language question

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@LegionMammal978 what does toting to zero mean? I was afk

Optimizer

@Dennis i bet the places where gas stations are not easy to find.. electric charging points are even rarer.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

*totient

LegionMammal978

tolerant

Optimizer

and charging with own's electricity would be ever costlier

LegionMammal978

17:35

As in, can the function take zero as an input?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Lemme get on my cpu and check

LegionMammal978

(and still give a sensible result)

Dennis

@Sherlock9 I think I understand the question, but I don't know which option means no.

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Downgoat

has anyone down the jamcoin problem on Code Jam?

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm talking about the sequence

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:36

I don't have it on hand

Sherlock9

@Dennis XD

Helka Homba

@Optimizer Cheaper than gas? I wouldn't think so

Dennis

@Optimizer That's probably true.

aditsu

@Downgoat I did it but don't think I "down" it

LegionMammal978

I'm certainly confused, I can't find any sequence that is seemingly simple enough

Downgoat

17:36

@aditsu downed?

oh

El'endia Starman

@Optimizer Good thing there's companies like SolarCity that are growing... :P

Downgoat

@aditsu do you think a generate-all-possible-strings-of-given-length and filter would work fast enough?

@Sherlock9 \o/ \o/ I guessed the right answer

aditsu

2^30 strings? I doubt it

Downgoat

D:

Sherlock9

@Downgoat \o/

Downgoat

17:38

@aditsu do you have any suggestions for an algorithm?

Dennis

Doesn't asking people for help kinda defeat the purpose?

Helka Homba

> Charging an electric car costs the equivalent of paying about $1.14 per gallon at the pump, according to a new tool from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) called eGallon. - stateimpact.npr.org/texas/2013/06/12/…

aditsu

well, I'm not sure what to say without giving away too much

Downgoat

@Dennis but I'm stupid and I can't math.

Dennis

Leave it blank.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

17:39

@LegionMammal978 It fails for zero

Optimizer

@HelkaHomba that's half of gas price..

LegionMammal978

Thanks

zyabin101

@Downgoat In order of finish: TheOnlyMego, Maltysen, Sherlock9, Sp3000, MarsUltor, DennisMitchell, xsot, aditsu, kennylau, KeyboardFire, mbue.

aditsu

I'll say my solution has 34 bytes ^_^

Dennis

CJam?

zyabin101

17:40

@aditsu Is it in CJam?

Downgoat

;_; I only understand the counting sheep problem

Sherlock9

Well, I have 4 wrong tries on D-small, so I think I'm on the right track :D

aditsu

@zyabin101 maybe

Downgoat

> D-small

El'endia Starman

@HelkaHomba Wow, that's better than I thought!

Downgoat

17:41

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Dennis

I've been using Python so far, but it takes such a long time to write...

Downgoat

@Dennis me too. Python is the worst. I wish we could use JS...

Dennis

You can.

Sp3000

Martin's got 7 bytes for B (yes, we tried golfing that one)

Downgoat

JS doesn't have STDIN

@Sp3000 what how

Sherlock9

17:42

Downgoat, make that face at me when you solve D :D

Downgoat

@Sp3000 please share the source so I can verify :P

aditsu

@Downgoat with spidermonkey you can haz stdin too

Dennis

@Downgoat Some implementations do.

Sp3000

(as in, for a single input line, not counting Case #... and such)

Downgoat

spidermonkey sucks

so does node

and rhino

aditsu

17:42

spidermonkey works fine for me, 100% command line

Dennis

@Sp3000 Yeah, I was pretty tempted to do that one in a golfing language.

Downgoat

can someone pleeeease share an algorithm for flipping pancakes?

aditsu

7 bytes? really?

Dennis

@HelkaHomba How much do you pay for electricity in the US? Gasoline seems to be a lot cheaper than here.

LegionMammal978

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Are you sure that a(0) is not in the sequence?

Sherlock9

17:44

The translations for my Strawpoll: "Bisa bicara Bahasa Indonesia?" means, roughly, "Do you speak Indonesian?"; "Iya" means "yes"; "Tidak" means "no"; and "Apa?" means "What?"

Optimizer

@Downgoat ummm those three things are not equivalent

Helka Homba

@El'endiaStarman But not that exorbitant for some places: "There’s a gas station in Ohio pumping gas for $1.21 a gallon." o.O (from Jan 2016)

Downgoat

@Optimizer They are names of JS engines,

Optimizer

ok lol

Fatalize

measuring volumes in gallons

Dennis

17:46

Yeah, ಠ_ಠ.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@LegionMammal978 The output for n = 0 is wrong. I thought that's what it meant by intolerant to 0.

Optimizer

@Fatalize calling liquid petroleum as gas should have you understood there itself

aditsu

when I hear gallon, I imagine a person carrying a bucket of something in some forsaken village in the middle ages

Maltysen

@Dennis I would have done C with pyth

zyabin101

Which language are you using for the code jam?

LegionMammal978

17:47

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ If a(0) is in the sequence, but your program doesn't support it, then arguably, your program doesn't implement a sequence in the OEIS.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@LegionMammal978 Let me fix that then

Fatalize

@zyabin101 no choice for "I'm not doing it"

Dennis

@Maltysen I should have done all of them in CJam.

Helka Homba

> 12 cents per kilowatt-hour

LegionMammal978

^^^

Maltysen

17:48

@Dennis but like honestly, C would have been easier in Pyth than in Python

Downgoat

4 mins ago, by Downgoat

can someone pleeeease share an algorithm for flipping pancakes?

no one? :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@LegionMammal978 fixed

Maltysen

@Downgoat MarsUltor had a really good one, I had a really crappy one

Dennis

@Maltysen s/C/all of them/

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

And it's tolerant now

Downgoat

17:48

@Maltysen what was yours

aditsu

@zyabin101 only 3 languages on that list that I'm not using

Maltysen

@Downgoat represent a stack as a node on a graph and a flip as an edge, dijkastra

Dennis

@HelkaHomba That's a lot more expensive. Weird.

Downgoat

@Maltysen :/

Optimizer

A*

aditsu

17:50

I used Haskell for the first time ever ^_^

quartata

@Dennis tidak is no

Maltysen

@Optimizer idk how to do A*

Dennis

6 mins ago, by Sherlock9

The translations for my Strawpoll: "Bisa bicara Bahasa Indonesia?" means, roughly, "Do you speak Indonesian?"; "Iya" means "yes"; "Tidak" means "no"; and "Apa?" means "What?"

LegionMammal978

> toHex(()toHex(toHex(toHex(x))))

quartata

@Dennis Oh, sumo'd

Dennis

17:50

But thanks.

quartata

@LegionMammal978 oh dear what is that

LegionMammal978

Read it aloud

Optimizer

> to hex bracket start bracket start bracket end..

LegionMammal978

I read

> to hex to hex to hex to hex x

Optimizer

...so?

Downgoat

17:52

^

LegionMammal978

Sounds interesting

Downgoat

??

orlp

SpaceX CRS-8 Landing - "I'm On A Boat"

►

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aditsu

@Downgoat the general idea is you flip a stack so that you have fewer differences, until they are all the same

LegionMammal978

The x sounds similar to hex

orlp

17:53

:28890014 then thou shalt press the *

Optimizer

@orlp the lonely island

aditsu

@orlp bahaha, those freaky lyrics finally make sense

flawr

Parmigiano

zyabin101

Six people use Python. A lot, based on the other responses.

flawr

stop-snake-abuse

Maltysen

17:59

\o/ I think I might have figured out how to do fractiles

Helka Homba

Would you visit outer space if it was as cheap (~$100) and safe as bungee jumping?

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