The Nineteenth Byte

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:02 PM

Lol what?

Rainbolt

The guy wrote a script to find duplicates for him?

Oh, nevermind. I guess he wrote a script to indent code.

flawr

Quick survey, does 0 show up with a diagonal bar, that devides the center in half?

Anonymous

@flawr yus

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yes

Doorknob

for me there's a dot in the middle

El'endia Starman

10:05 PM

In code blocks, yes.

0 0

Doorknob

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Doorknob What font are you using?

flawr

@Doorknob What typeface does your browser use?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

flawr

^

Doorknob

10:05 PM

Consolas, I think

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It's probably opera >:3

Doorknob

maybe

wait that's the first thing in the list

I probably don't have it or something

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah.

flawr

That is exactly the problem=)

VoteToClose

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Should be TNR.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:06 PM

@VoteToClose ಠ_ಠ

flawr

I am asking because of this proposed challenge

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

The Holey Scriptures Because it is Christmas soon it is time to take a deeper look into the hol(e)y scriptures, or more precisely holey characters. Holey characters, are (printable non-whitespace ASCII) charactes with holes. Among there holey characters there are the very-holey characters called...

Doorknob

@flawr Liberation Mono, apparently

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I think that has been done already?

flawr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I thought so too, but I was unable to find anything.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Huh.

OH WAIT NO it was on puzzling that I saw it.

El'endia Starman

10:08 PM

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I think you're right.

flawr

Can you give me a link?

VoteToClose

if (message.contains("TNR") || message.contains("Times New Roman") chatbot.respond("ಠ_ಠ");

El'endia Starman

Times New Roman

flawr

There was this challenge, but certainly not a dupe: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/35310/…

Rainbolt

^ not a challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:10 PM

document.body.innerHTML = document.body.innerHTML.replace(/TNR/gi,"[redacted]")

^ doing that will make the page crash

VoteToClose

Dammit! I'm missing a parenthesis!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose I think I'll make a ChatBot maker repo

)

flawr

@VoteToClose Opening or closing one?

VoteToClose

Before chatbot.respond(...);

flawr

Take this one ( it is free, I promise.

VoteToClose

10:12 PM

)

My most upvoted answer is this:

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A: Implement a Truth-Machine

Minecraft, 18 Bytes (MC Version 15w45a) As you can see, there is a lever directed into the repeating command block, which has the command say 1 in it. There is an signal inverting torch on top of that, which directs power into the single-run command block with the command say 0 in it. Wheneve...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

LOL

VoteToClose

I think this tells many tales about my golfing skills.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

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A: Don't google "google"

TI-BASIC Heck, while we're at it, might as well get a TI-BASIC answer in here. Input format for all programs is "string":prgmG. Revised version (25 bytes) (Credit to Thomas Kwa for finding it first) PROGRAM:G length(Ans)+log(Ans≠"GOOGLE (Guide: add 1 byte for each lowercase letter replaci...

^ that's mine

:3

Thomas Kwa

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ You're scoring that wrong, I think

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa The capitals, you mean?

Thomas Kwa

10:15 PM

No

flawr

How about a Lie-Machine (For the math-guys among us: no pun intended)?

Thomas Kwa

TI-BASIC has a program header that the 2nd Mem screen counts, but we don't

It's 9 bytes long

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Really? :D

victory

Thomas Kwa

Sorry, 9 bytes plus the size of the name

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

wait 9 bytes?

Right XD

So 14 bytes?

Thomas Kwa

10:17 PM

15

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Darn.

I always get the header size confused.

Thomas Kwa

You should also delete the "original version" because it's invalid.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh right ;P

El'endia Starman

@flawr The pun-intended version would be at the very least one or both of weird and interesting.

flawr

True=)

Thomas Kwa

10:18 PM

I'd take the PROGRAM:G out of the code blocks so you don't confuse anyone

Anyway, my most upvoted answer is the 2-byte truth machine

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa And I still say kudos for that one :D

That's really impressive

VoteToClose

Dat Motorola answer doe.

Thomas Kwa

I worked pretty hard to find it, but feel a little guilty now that it's at 68

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa Don't be. That 680 rep is yours.

VoteToClose

That's fricken epic though.

Thomas Kwa

10:20 PM

There's no way my second highest should be at 44 though.

SuperJedi224

Are there any functional, easy-to-use, as-few-dependencies-as-possible chat bot frameworks for Java, Lua, or Python?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ThomasKwa What's the ~? I've never seen that before.

Thomas Kwa

Oh, that should be a superscript minus

It's Cemetech's SourceCoder notation

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Ohhh

So, like, negative?

Thomas Kwa

Sometimes I use that to edit TI-BASIC and forget

Yeah, unary minus

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:23 PM

I see. I forgot about Cemetech.

I love how we're revisiting old answers and making them better :D

Thomas Kwa

I golf my old answers all the time

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Yeah, that's what I like :D

happy feelings

Thomas Kwa

for example codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/50461/revisions

Anonymous

Just the other day, I realized my answer to the original Seriously challenge could be golfed better

Anonymous

Shaved off like 15 raw bytes, which came out to 20-something off the score with bonuses

Anonymous

10:30 PM

Also, every time I update Seriously with more commands, I look at the catalog answers to see if they can be improved

Thomas Kwa

@Mego I still think that question is underspecified

Anonymous

I agree that it could use more clarification, but I couldn't resist posting the pic :P

El'endia Starman

Have we had a challenge on outputting successive rational approximations to pi?

Thomas Kwa

@El'endiaStarman what do you mean by successive?

Continued fraction convergents?

El'endia Starman

10:36 PM

That idea, yes.

3/1, 22/7, 333/106, 355/113, etc.

Thomas Kwa

I don't believe so. We have codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/4227/… but that's not continued fractions

El'endia Starman

Not necessarily continued fractions.

Okay, my idea is different in that each successive approximation is better, in that it's closer in the absolute sense to the actual value of pi.

Thomas Kwa

The approximations in that challenge are better too

El'endia Starman

yeah

Do you get what I'm trying to say, though?

Thomas Kwa

No

El'endia Starman

10:39 PM

hmm

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman I get it. Are there known approximation formulas like that?

Anonymous

n,p=1,0
while 1:p+=4/n;n+=2;print p

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Flaming Doorknob Keyboards!! Well, turns out Doorknob's username on GitHub, Reddit, and other sites is KeyboardFire. That gives me an idea... The task You work at KeyboardFire Inc., a company that makes special keyboards. And, by "special", I mean that, whenever you press a key, something in y...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I should run for this I'm sure you'll all vote for me :P

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies There is a continued fraction that does not require knowing pi to arbitrary precision beforehand.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Do you even meet the requirements? :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:41 PM

Of course!

I have ~200 rep, I'm perfect.

Oh look, the sidevoter.

Seadrus

is this how you're going to greet me every time? .-.

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Anonymous

Oh look, Geobits's sock.

Seadrus

aand that :P

Why would I be @Geobits? :P

Whatever makes you think a thing like that? <

Anonymous

Your avatars are similar, you must be the same person

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies This section and the following section deal with such approximation formulas.

flawr

10:45 PM

@El'endiaStarman Continued fractions provide exactly what you want.

El'endia Starman

Yeah, looks like that's the route I'll go.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Mego I've never known Geobits to use emoticons...or have emotions in general

Yep. 0 messages found

El'endia Starman

> Calculate pi using continued fractions to arbitrary precision

Anonymous

@Calvin'sHobbies He's trying to throw us off, obviously

flawr

@El'endiaStarman I can refer to

Nov 2 at 20:56, by flawr

@SuperJedi224 I also recommend reading the corresponding chapter in An introdcution to the theory of numbers by Hardy and Wright.

Nov 2 at 20:59, by flawr

@SuperJedi224 The important part starts about at p137 https://archive.org/stream/AnIntroductionToTheTheoryOfNumbers-4thEd-G.h.HardyE.m‌.Wright#page/n151/mode/2up

El'endia Starman

10:46 PM

@Calvin'sHobbies chat.stackexchange.com/…

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies He's trying to deceive us.

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Those are just anomalies

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies 1104 anomalies?

Calvin's Hobbies

@El'endiaStarman Never underestimate Geobits

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies 1391 more anomalies?

SJ-9000

10:47 PM

(AUTOMATED RESPONSE) Bot Loaded.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=%3A&user=51024&room=240

Anonymous

NO BOTS

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

go somewhere else :P

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Clearly, SE search << Google search.

flawr

I wonder what the influence of this answer to the reputation of Matlab will be.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

10:48 PM

@El'endiaStarman Manual search <<<< SE search <<< Google search.

Anonymous

We have a room for bots. None in here please.

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ True.

Doorknob

> excessively long (auto) – Community♦ 7 mins ago

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flawr

Where did you get that message? 0.o

Anonymous

Super special diamond powers, probably

El'endia Starman

10:49 PM

@flawr It's an auto-flag.

Doorknob

^

4

;)

Calvin's Hobbies

@flawr It was auto mod flagged as excessively long because its close to the 30k char limit

flawr

For me, an auto-flag is something like this.

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Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

AMURICA!

feersum

@flawr Maybe it would be shorter if you added a hand-made zip implementation in your answer :P

flawr

10:51 PM

@feersum Probably=)

@feersum That is actually a good idea. I always wanted a string/matrix compression in matlab.

Anonymous

Dennis's 10-byte answer on the parentheses question makes me sad

Seadrus

^

Anonymous

I thought I was doing well with 17

flawr

<

Seadrus

:D

flawr

10:54 PM

@feersum You can use Java in Matlab 0.o

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Now it's STFSIPCG!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies Noice!

feersum

Surely there's a compression algorithm somewher in the vast Java standard library.

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies Took you a few minutes to do that, huh? :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

D: I have used my vote allowance!

Calvin's Hobbies

10:55 PM

@El'endiaStarman I knew a few of them >.>

We should rename our site Portugal Croatia Germany

feersum

If x && y ? 1 : 0 is logical and, what would you call the one like and in python which is x ? y : x ?

El'endia Starman

@Calvin'sHobbies *Portugal Paraguay Croatia Germany.

Anonymous

@feersum Still logical and, but it short-circuits

El'endia Starman

>>> 5 and 3
3
>>> 3 and 5
5

Anonymous

And uses implicit boolean conversion to determine truthyness

feersum

11:00 PM

@Mego They both short-circuit, and the second one does not result in a boolean value.

They also both use the same implicit conversion.

Anonymous

@feersum It does result in a boolean value, cleverly disguised as an integer

Anonymous

They're sneaky like that

feersum

If you use Python's and on strings, for example, you'll get a string result.

Anonymous

Still a boolean, but cleverly disguised as a string

Anonymous

Well, it's more like a value that acts both like a boolean and a string

Anonymous

11:02 PM

Duck typing paradigm

Calvin's Hobbies

@feersum Are you just asking for a word to describe it?

feersum

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes, a word to descrsibe what kind of "and" it is.

El'endia Starman

@Mego I wonder if it would take them more or less time than monkeys to type out Hamlet...

Also, using ducks to type code is a terrible idea.

Anonymous

@El'endiaStarman Probably less, they're less prone to taking a crap on the typewriters

Anonymous

Penguins typing code, however, works well

Anonymous

11:04 PM

You get stuff like this: ,;R`p`MΣ(-D;n;;╟@RZ`ig1=`MΣ

Calvin's Hobbies

@feersum I doubt there one clear word for it

Anonymous

It's an and and an and

El'endia Starman

@Mego Hey, I recognize that code!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Me too, surprisingly.

Anonymous

Also, x&&y?y:x isn't the same thing

Anonymous

11:07 PM

It's y if x && y else False

feersum

@Mego I never wrote that anywhere.

Anonymous

> what would you call the one like and in python which is x ? y : x ?

Anonymous

You're right; that is even more wrong

Anonymous

Wait

Anonymous

No, I'm a @quartata

Anonymous

11:09 PM

Disregard

flawr

Good night everyone=)

El'endia Starman

G'night!

Anonymous

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A: Calculate Phi (not Pi)

Seriously, 27 bytes ,;R`p`MΣ(-D;n;;╟@RZ`ig1=`MΣ Yay, I beat CJam! Try it online Explanation (a refers to top of stack, b refers to second-from-top): ,; take input and duplicate it R`p`MΣ push sum([is_prime(i) for i in [1,...,a]]) (otherwise known as the pi function) (-D rotate s...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Goodnight @flawr

flawr

(I could reduce my excessively long answer by a factor of about 4.5)

Anonymous

11:17 PM

With the phi and pi builtins, Seriously can solve that challenge in 8 bytes. Shame I added them after the challenge.

El'endia Starman

@Mego If I hadn't been the one that posted the challenge, I would've been in your situation too. :P

TanMath

hello all!

@Mego you still have me blocked?

that means a yes...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I feel so evil:

3

A: Determine the color of a chess square

Batch, 248 223 bytes Because Batch lacks disjunctional conditionals. -18 bytes thanks to @dohaqatar7, and more due to his idea. @ECHO OFF SET S=SET %S%/P I= %S%L=%I:~0,1% %S%I=IF %L% %S%N=%I:~-1% %S%A= %S%L= %I%==a%A%0 %I%==b%A%1 %I%==c%A%0 %I%==d%A%1 %I%==e%A%0 %I%==f%A%1 %I%==g%A%0 %I%==h%A%...