The Nineteenth Byte - 2015-10-30 (page 9 of 9)

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10:00 PM

Welp. At least we beat CJam and Pyth, amirite?

El'endia Starman

yeah! :D

[high five]

[high five]

Allllll right.

El'endia Starman

.....dude, I'm almost done with the online interpreter!

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Q: Forwards sdrawkcaB sdrawkcaB Forwards Forwards sdrawkcaB

Task The user inputs a sentence. The output has a pattern, where some words are reversed and others words are normal. The pattern starts as a normal word, the next two words are reversed, then the next two words are normal and the pattern continues. If capital letters are used, they should r...

El'endia Starman

All I've got left is adding an examples drop-down.

10:03 PM

Whoop whoop!

El'endia Starman

@NewMainPosts Interesting. It doesn't show the "[on hold]" bit.

By the way, VTC, did you see my "context aware" link earlier?

@El'endiaStarman Fastest holder in the west

I don't think I did...

El'endia Starman

1 hour ago, by El'endia Starman

My Minkolang online interpreter is now CONTEXT AWARE!!‌! MUAHAHAHAAA!!!

I don't get it

10:07 PM

Booo~ Spooky Alien.

Aka, I'm here.

o> quack

El'endia Starman

@quartata The interpreter knows when 1 is pushing a 1 onto the stack and when it's part of a number literal.

Same goes for string literals.

Ah I see

El'endia Starman

It also knows the difference between opening and closing quotes (of either kind). :D

> ...I'm... I'm beating CJam! (shouts over) Mom! Look, ma, I deed it!

10:10 PM

Smoothed Aggregation Multigrid for Cloth Simulation

A question to native american-english speakers:

@isaacg Just to let you know: I was annoyed at Pyth's lack of a REPL: so I wrote my own (it's just a tiny wrapper script over pyth.py).

@flawr I learned both my languages at the same time...?

Also, youtube.com/watch?v=lmIlogViPes

I learned to spell 'z' as 'dsed' but when I was in the USA people did not understand, that pronounced it as 'see', is that like that throughout the USA?

And how then do you discriminate 'z' from 'c' when spelling those letters out?

Depends.

El'endia Starman

10:15 PM

@flawr I've heard one other person say it that way. "see" is definitely the main pronunciation.

@flawr Well, context, mostly. Far more words have c than z, and there is a subtle difference in pronunciation.

It's like a quiet, subtle version of the sound you make when saying "buzzzzz".

@quartata This is amazing. XD

@Doorknob Pyth code cannot be given on STDIN. There is no repl.

@El'endiaStarman Thanks for the explanation!

@isaacg Why doesn't it support STDIN? Most languages do.

El'endia Starman

Welcome. :)

10:18 PM

@Doorknob Historical reasons. I'm working on redoing the command line arguments et al now anyways, so I can add that.

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I meant to type in Skype, but put in ske in spotlight, and this came up...?

El'endia Starman

Turd. Sounds about right!

;)

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A very accurate description of your current OS. ;)

Basic English: How to Pronounce the Letter Z

Basic English: How to Pronounce the Letter C

Cannot really hear a difference=)

10:25 PM

@quartata The .com TLD is meant for businesses, .org for non-profit organisations, and .net for ISPs etc. Do any of the registrars give two brass farthings?

El'endia Starman

@flawr Well, you're not a native speaker... :)

@flawr Phonetics are correctly like this - Z = tsee (pronounce the t slightly), C = see, no t.

El'endia Starman

I've heard that it's pretty common for foreigners to be literally unable to hear differences between certain sounds.

It's easier to learn if you consider Z as tsee.

@PeterTaylor Someone needs to buy a .org domain, fill it with ads, and write "I AM MAKING MONEY FROM THIS SITE" in huge bold letters.

10:26 PM

Well I am still gonna say 'zed' for 'z' because thats just the only way I can distinguish them.

That's also an option. :P

And most of the time when I am talking in english I'm not talking to english native speakers anyway=)

El'endia Starman

Many Americans would likely look at you weird, and then catch on quickly. :P

Well thats what happened^^ (except they didn't catch on so quickly=)

El'endia Starman

haha

10:28 PM

But this was really something we were never taught here...

El'endia Starman

Well, depends on their exposure to the idea/sound, I guess...

People also told me that I do pronounce w and v the same (as in 'weld' and 'veil').

You want to see how people react when you start talking about Zed Zed Top.

4

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Just curious, how many pages of stars do you have...?

Then I was the one looking at them weird.

El'endia Starman

10:29 PM

@flawr HOW can you say them the same?!?

:P

Because ~~German~~ Deutsch and ~~French~~ français!

El'endia Starman

A w is a soft sound, a v is a hard one.

v is a soft consonant. o-o It's a darker f sound.

El'endia Starman

Lol, +star for using the languages' names for themselves. :P

But this is also something nobody ever taugh me, despite having about 7 years of mandatory english courses!!!!

10:31 PM

Hard consonants would have to use the tongue or lips to restrict airflow momentarily, such as t.

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Well, I meant it in the sense that a "w" doesn't have the vibration that "v" does.

@flawr Heh heh. Something you're expected to pick up from immersion, I guess...

That is when it is too late...

El'endia Starman

lol, true

By the way, when you say "treasure", for the "zur" sound in the middle, is your tongue up near the roof of your mouth or down flat?

Haha, and the american friends I was visiting never corrected me because they liked how funny my accent sounds.

El'endia Starman

@VTC you can answer that question too.

10:33 PM

@El'endiaStarman Down flat, at least as far as I can tell by trying it out :DD

@El'endiaStarman I don't get this Ping - and what?

El'endia Starman

1 min ago, by El'endia Starman

By the way, when you say "treasure", for the "zur" sound in the middle, is your tongue up near the roof of your mouth or down flat?

@El'endiaStarman Mine is up, but I'm not a native speaker.

@El'endiaStarman Midway.

El'endia Starman

okay

10:34 PM

@El'endiaStarman I cannot really tell, I think the tip lifts up a bit, but does not really touch the roof?

El'endia Starman

I ask because I've said it "wrong" pretty much all my life. The tip of my tongue is near the front ridge of the roof of my mouth. Took my mom (a speech language pathologist) many years to notice. :P

I cannot say it the way most Americans do.

I think for me it is about the same as the 'sh' in like 'mash'

El'endia Starman

But I fudge the sound really well... :P

@flawr My tongue is definitely down for that.

Well, I have to be satisfied when people do understand what I am trying to say, perfection is impossible=)

El'endia Starman

hehe, indeed :)

10:38 PM

At least my accent is not as obvious, as e.g. germans or frenchies trying to speak english...

El'endia Starman

And a theme I've seen is that foreign speakers often speak better (i.e., more properly) than natives. The reason being that natives are very used to the language and get lazy. :P

El'endia Starman

I often enjoy their HNQ questions.

I am 11 rep away from mortar boarding. XD

Well this is something I just noticed recently: As a swiss-german speaker when speaking german, I unconsciously try to speak in whole sentences with correct structure etc, because that is just about how swiss people usually use german, as written text.

El'endia Starman

10:41 PM

Oh hey @VTC, where are you from? That'd give some insight into regional dialectal differences.

@flawr This is what I do with English.

:OOO I know how to do silent pings now.

El'endia Starman

Well, not really.

'cause it failed. :P

;)

If you ping me it will be a silent ping...the sound seems to be broken.

El'endia Starman

10:42 PM

@feersum test

I'm from Texas, but I've lived longer in England. I have no accent.

Silent as expected.

Hmm.

El'endia Starman

@feersum And that's a bummer. On the plus side, you can be more productive since no one can get your attention while you're away from the room... :P

@VoteToClose ahh, interesting

Oh, my god. XD That threw a "This may be a phishing site" warning.

10:46 PM

This should be a ‍silent ping.

@El'endiaStarman I'm stalking you on your website right now=)

Lol, my silent ping actually worked.

I suggest adding 'insignificant programs' to your resumee.

:o Pietu, show me your ways.

El'endia Starman

Good job @Pietu1998! :) ⁣

@flawr ....INSIGNIFICANT?!?

10:48 PM

So basically you can do silent pings by putting the following code inside your message: [&zwj;](http://@UserToPing/) where the entity must be the actual character.

f

Almost, but no.

@El'endiaStarman Well if you alread have a section significant programs there should aslo be one with insignificant programs =)

El'endia Starman

Well, that didn't work. :P⁣⁣⁣⁣

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Here's how I did it.

El'endia Starman

10:49 PM

@flawr ...........hmm.....you have a point... :(

:P

☼

I dunno what that is. :P

Explosion.

El'endia Starman

....oooh.

☼☼☼

So may I ask you, are you still at an uni or do you have a job?

El'endia Starman

Graduated last May, still looking for a job. :(

Is it possible to get a job with a bachelor's degree? (That is what you've got, right?)

El'endia Starman

10:52 PM

Absolutely.

My main problem right now is that I don't have experience that a LOT of companies are looking for.

Because you cannot get a job because you do not have any experience because you cannot get a job because you do not have any experience because...

El'endia Starman

It's frustrating, really. Considering that I just graduated, you would think my lack of experience is totally understandable, and that, if anything, the amount and quality of stuff I've produced in 8 years of programming should be good indicators of my skill...

Yeah, I mean your website is quite impressive.

El'endia Starman

thanks :)

Like this?

10:55 PM

But on the other hand here it is almost impossible to get a job without a masters degree (at least if you are studying a science subject).

El'endia Starman

huh, wow

There we go.

Well CS is perhaps an exception, because they are currently needed everywhere.

Apparently‍. :P

I had to apply Unicode Hex input.

El'endia Starman

10:55 PM

Yup, that's the trick. :) ⁣

Calvin's Hobbies

Really? [](http://@Vot)

Use the unicode hex input 200b.

For the [] bit.

@Calvin'sHobbies lel you did it wrong

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Something is broken

@Calvin'sHobbies 11

@Pietu1998 Nope

10:58 PM

I believe you aren't supposed to reply to 2 future messages.

@PeterTaylor I don't know where to even get a tatar domain though

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose I'm sure I've done it without that

I think .at would probably be better anyways

I'm not sure I like the stray r

@quartata Did someone say Tatar?

@AlexA. Yes

11:00 PM

Are you Tatar?

You want some kind of Tatar website?

No

My grandpa could hook you up. His English is terrible and he doesn't understand computers.

Oh

Didn't we recently have a discussion about Tatar/tartare?

I was thinking about quar.tatar

Why .tatar?

Calvin's Hobbies

11:01 PM

Test [][http://@quartata.com]

@Calvin'sHobbies Is there really a toot.com?

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@AlexA. Closest thing to quartata

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. probably

@flawr So gross holy fack

11:01 PM

@flawr yum

@quartata There isn't a .tata?

@quartata Or even a .ta so you could do quarta.ta?

Calvin's Hobbies

[](http://@AlexA.) hmm

You aren't doing stealth pings correctly, FYI.

Calvin's Hobbies

I've done them before ;_;

Right, but it isn't working.

Calvin's Hobbies

11:03 PM

You shouldn't need special charcters

But you do.

hmm

Hmm?

Hmmm! Fail.

@flawr The leading space is visible. I recommend putting the ping at the end. ;)

11:04 PM

The space is not visible.

Spaces are never visible.

HMMMMMM

Because nothing is there to be visible.

I see space and time.

GET IT?

Yes

11:05 PM

I'm ‍just used to using ZWJ for these things. It's nice because programs treat it as non-whitespace.

YOU SEE ABOUT AS MUCH AS JON SNOW KNOWS!

@Pietu1998 ZW...J?

@AlexA. &zwj;

Zero ‍Width Joiner

Oh. I know it as a zero width space.

Calvin's Hobbies

11:06 PM

Stop it[](http://@Alex)

wtf, I know I've done it without zwsp!

Did they fix it?

I've never been able to do it without a zero width space.

No.

You can do it on punctuation, which is less obvious but is still more obvious than with a ZWSP.

Calvin's Hobbies

Stop it`

Stop what?

11:08 PM

I see that accent. ;)

What is this thing called anyway?

El'endia Starman

Huh.⁣

´'`

I'm unsure whether or not ZWSP works. ZWJ does.

El'endia Starman

...that totally didn't work. :P

11:09 PM

@flawr Stealth ping?

Use Unicode Hex Input 200b.

@Pietu1998 ?

Nope those `´

0x200B?

El'endia Starman

Interesting.

I have such a character on my clipboard. :P

11:10 PM

It's not that interesting, really.

El'endia Starman

I was just trying to get &zwj; to work.

SE is in the process of changing the way chat pinging works.

El'endia Starman

right

I wondered if that was why.

It hasn't gone live yet.

FGITW...

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A: Code Golf: Forwards sdrawkcaB sdrawkcaB Forwards Forwards sdrawkcaB

AppleScript, 215 Bytes set x to(display dialog""default answer"")'s text returned's words set o to"" set n to 1 repeat with i in x if n<2 set o to o&i&" " else set o to o&(i's characters's reverse as text)&" " end set n to(n+1)mod 4 end o Basically, this uses a variable n to keep track of where it is in the loop of flipping or not flipping. Then, if it's from 0-1, it keeps it normal. Otherwise, it'll flip it. Output of test condition: She slles aeS shells on eht aeS shore

Calvin's Hobbies

11:12 PM

I heard this too. Have the link?

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El'endia Starman

The link was in this chat room last night.

^

What time UTC?

Calvin's Hobbies

Thanks..

El'endia Starman

11:14 PM

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Q: RFC: Better chat @mentions – A prototype

Status: 75% - We have a prototype to play with the UI Previous RFC: RFC: Better chat @mentions Problem Statement & Background Please see the previous RFC. Proposed solution The feedback to the solution I proposed in the original RFC was overwhelmingly positive. We now have a prototype of the...

discussion feature-request chat feedback ping

Pfft. "Better."

More like broken.

El'endia Starman

Only for you, @AlexA..

FIDDLE TO CREATE STEALTH PINGS

<3

</3

3>

11:15 PM

@Pietu1998 +1 (but no star) for golfing. :D

@Pietu1998 You'll need to remove spaces from the user name input

Also the trailing / is unnecessary

❤️

@AlexA. Nah, you just assume that the user inputs something they would use in a ping

El'endia Starman

♥

...

[shrugs]

LESSTHANTHREE

<=2

11:17 PM

@flawr Provided that we're dealing with integers.

Calvin's Hobbies

Hmm‍

@VoteToClose Is there anything else than natural numbers???

@Calvin'sHobbies thumbs up

Calvin's Hobbies

Could golf it to ftp as well ‍

o ya

11:18 PM

@flawr Assume 2.5. Less than 3, but greater than 2.

@flawr Does the set of natural numbers even exist?

Calvin's Hobbies

Can we do invisible ink?

11:20 PM

@Zgarb The set does not exist, but the numbers do.

zgarb-is-numbers

Calvin's Hobbies

Where it wont show up until highlighted

Like a spoiler tag?

Hm.

Calvin's Hobbies

‍

No

Hover over me, baby.

11:23 PM

@AlexA. say what

@Doorknob what

Calvin's Hobbies

‍

2

@Calvin'sHobbies sigh

Calvin's Hobbies

jsfiddle.net/bkc7yvs7/embedded/result

what is the point of that O_o

Calvin's Hobbies

11:27 PM

@Doorknob 👯

🐦 🐧 🚪 🐍

Hooray, I am a gray bird.

Calvin's Hobbies

These are fun: emojipedia.org

👁_👁

@Calvin'sHobbies You're fun.

PPC⛳

PPC<hole>

11:33 PM

Is it possible to define the width of images here?

No

Calvin's Hobbies

👂 👁 👁 👂
    👃
    👅

oh god

Calvin's Hobbies

This guy is creepy :/

Yes

I will have nightmares.

11:36 PM

your tongue looks like a mushroom

Mine doesn't

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Definitely not less creepy

Calvin's Hobbies

🍀 = Irish, 🍁 = Canadian, 🌾 = Greek, 🍂 = ?

Leaves

Also why is that Greek

Calvin's Hobbies

11:39 PM

The olive branch is usually a symbol of peace or victory and was historically worn by brides and virgins. This symbol, deriving from the customs of Ancient Greece, is strongest in Western culture. However, it has been found in every culture and religion to thrive in the Mediterranean basin. == Ancient Greece and Rome == In Greek mythology, Athena competed with Poseidon for possession of Athens. Poseidon claimed possession by thrusting his trident into the Acropolis, where a well of sea-water gushed out. Athena took possession by planting the first olive tree beside the well. The court of gods...

I'm pretty sure that emoji is wheat, not olive branches

it's actually rice

EAR OF RICE, specifically

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. 🙀

@Doorknob dos rice has ear

@Calvin'sHobbies WEARY CAT FACE

11:41 PM

dos cat has face

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Planting Steiner Trees programming-challenge algorithm In the following we are talking about Steiner trees are (roughly speaking) similar to minimal spanning trees: The goal is connecting all nodes with a graph that is as short as possible. But when constructing steiner trees you can add addit...

I mortarboarded. :D

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?

Yes. I did a mortar, we're engaged.

But can you explain what you did?

11:53 PM

I hit the rep cap for the day. ;)

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Planting Steiner Trees programming-challenge algorithm In the following we are talking about Steiner trees are (roughly speaking) similar to minimal spanning trees: The goal is connecting all nodes with a graph that is as short as possible. But when constructing steiner trees you can add addit...

root@llama:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  golang-go-linux-amd64
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libgegl-0.3-0 libgl1-mesa-dri libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5sql5

wow, things move fast on Debian unstable... I just did an upgrade like a week ago!

rep cap?

> computer is named llama

my username is also llama

11:55 PM

:P

llama@llama:~$ echo hi Doctor
hi Doctor

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my hostname on one of my machines is quetzalcoatl

but my username is too close to my real name

@flawr You can only get 200 rep in a day. If you hit it, it's called mortarboarding.

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wonderful, 30 minute updates

11:59 PM

get better internets

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