The Nineteenth Byte

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22:00

Welp. At least we beat CJam and Pyth, amirite?

El'endia Starman

yeah! :D

[high five]

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[high five]

Allllll right.

El'endia Starman

.....dude, I'm almost done with the online interpreter!

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Q: Forwards sdrawkcaB sdrawkcaB Forwards Forwards sdrawkcaB

Task The user inputs a sentence. The output has a pattern, where some words are reversed and others words are normal. The pattern starts as a normal word, the next two words are reversed, then the next two words are normal and the pattern continues. If capital letters are used, they should r...

El'endia Starman

All I've got left is adding an examples drop-down.

VoteToClose

22:03

Whoop whoop!

El'endia Starman

@NewMainPosts Interesting. It doesn't show the "[on hold]" bit.

By the way, VTC, did you see my "context aware" link earlier?

quartata

@El'endiaStarman Fastest holder in the west

VoteToClose

I don't think I did...

El'endia Starman

1 hour ago, by El'endia Starman

My Minkolang online interpreter is now CONTEXT AWARE!!‌! MUAHAHAHAAA!!!

quartata

I don't get it

Alien G

22:07

Booo~ Spooky Alien.

Aka, I'm here.

quartata

o> quack

El'endia Starman

@quartata The interpreter knows when 1 is pushing a 1 onto the stack and when it's part of a number literal.

Same goes for string literals.

quartata

Ah I see

El'endia Starman

It also knows the difference between opening and closing quotes (of either kind). :D

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> ...I'm... I'm beating CJam! (shouts over) Mom! Look, ma, I deed it!

quartata

22:10

MOMMY [SFM]

►

flawr

Smoothed Aggregation Multigrid for Cloth Simulation

►

A question to native american-english speakers:

Doorknob

@isaacg Just to let you know: I was annoyed at Pyth's lack of a REPL: so I wrote my own (it's just a tiny wrapper script over pyth.py).

Alien G

@flawr I learned both my languages at the same time...?

Also, youtube.com/watch?v=lmIlogViPes

flawr

I learned to spell 'z' as 'dsed' but when I was in the USA people did not understand, that pronounced it as 'see', is that like that throughout the USA?

And how then do you discriminate 'z' from 'c' when spelling those letters out?

Alien G

Depends.

El'endia Starman

22:15

@flawr I've heard one other person say it that way. "see" is definitely the main pronunciation.

@flawr Well, context, mostly. Far more words have c than z, and there is a subtle difference in pronunciation.

It's like a quiet, subtle version of the sound you make when saying "buzzzzz".

VoteToClose

@quartata This is amazing. XD

isaacg

@Doorknob Pyth code cannot be given on STDIN. There is no repl.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Thanks for the explanation!

Doorknob

@isaacg Why doesn't it support STDIN? Most languages do.

El'endia Starman

Welcome. :)

isaacg

22:18

@Doorknob Historical reasons. I'm working on redoing the command line arguments et al now anyways, so I can add that.

VoteToClose

I meant to type in Skype, but put in ske in spotlight, and this came up...?

El'endia Starman

Turd. Sounds about right!

;)

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Doorknob

A very accurate description of your current OS. ;)

flawr

Basic English: How to Pronounce the Letter Z

►

Basic English: How to Pronounce the Letter C

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Cannot really hear a difference=)

Peter Taylor

22:25

@quartata The .com TLD is meant for businesses, .org for non-profit organisations, and .net for ISPs etc. Do any of the registrars give two brass farthings?

El'endia Starman

@flawr Well, you're not a native speaker... :)

VoteToClose

@flawr Phonetics are correctly like this - Z = tsee (pronounce the t slightly), C = see, no t.

El'endia Starman

I've heard that it's pretty common for foreigners to be literally unable to hear differences between certain sounds.

VoteToClose

It's easier to learn if you consider Z as tsee.

Doorknob

@PeterTaylor Someone needs to buy a .org domain, fill it with ads, and write "I AM MAKING MONEY FROM THIS SITE" in huge bold letters.

flawr

22:26

Well I am still gonna say 'zed' for 'z' because thats just the only way I can distinguish them.

VoteToClose

That's also an option. :P

flawr

And most of the time when I am talking in english I'm not talking to english native speakers anyway=)

El'endia Starman

Many Americans would likely look at you weird, and then catch on quickly. :P

flawr

Well thats what happened^^ (except they didn't catch on so quickly=)

El'endia Starman

haha

flawr

22:28

But this was really something we were never taught here...

El'endia Starman

Well, depends on their exposure to the idea/sound, I guess...

flawr

People also told me that I do pronounce w and v the same (as in 'weld' and 'veil').

Peter Taylor

You want to see how people react when you start talking about Zed Zed Top.

4

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. Just curious, how many pages of stars do you have...?

flawr

Then I was the one looking at them weird.

El'endia Starman

22:29

@flawr HOW can you say them the same?!?

:P

flawr

Because ~~German~~ Deutsch and ~~French~~ français!

El'endia Starman

A w is a soft sound, a v is a hard one.

VoteToClose

v is a soft consonant. o-o It's a darker f sound.

El'endia Starman

Lol, +star for using the languages' names for themselves. :P

flawr

But this is also something nobody ever taugh me, despite having about 7 years of mandatory english courses!!!!

VoteToClose

22:31

Hard consonants would have to use the tongue or lips to restrict airflow momentarily, such as t.

El'endia Starman

@VoteToClose Well, I meant it in the sense that a "w" doesn't have the vibration that "v" does.

@flawr Heh heh. Something you're expected to pick up from immersion, I guess...

flawr

That is when it is too late...

El'endia Starman

lol, true

By the way, when you say "treasure", for the "zur" sound in the middle, is your tongue up near the roof of your mouth or down flat?

flawr

Haha, and the american friends I was visiting never corrected me because they liked how funny my accent sounds.

El'endia Starman

@VTC you can answer that question too.

Pietu1998

22:33

@El'endiaStarman Down flat, at least as far as I can tell by trying it out :DD

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@El'endiaStarman I don't get this Ping - and what?

El'endia Starman

1 min ago, by El'endia Starman

By the way, when you say "treasure", for the "zur" sound in the middle, is your tongue up near the roof of your mouth or down flat?

Zgarb

@El'endiaStarman Mine is up, but I'm not a native speaker.

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@El'endiaStarman Midway.

El'endia Starman

okay

flawr

22:34

@El'endiaStarman I cannot really tell, I think the tip lifts up a bit, but does not really touch the roof?

El'endia Starman

I ask because I've said it "wrong" pretty much all my life. The tip of my tongue is near the front ridge of the roof of my mouth. Took my mom (a speech language pathologist) many years to notice. :P

I cannot say it the way most Americans do.

flawr

I think for me it is about the same as the 'sh' in like 'mash'

El'endia Starman

But I fudge the sound really well... :P

@flawr My tongue is definitely down for that.

flawr

Well, I have to be satisfied when people do understand what I am trying to say, perfection is impossible=)

El'endia Starman

hehe, indeed :)

flawr

22:38

At least my accent is not as obvious, as e.g. germans or frenchies trying to speak english...

El'endia Starman

And a theme I've seen is that foreign speakers often speak better (i.e., more properly) than natives. The reason being that natives are very used to the language and get lazy. :P

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El'endia Starman

I often enjoy their HNQ questions.

VoteToClose

I am 11 rep away from mortar boarding. XD

flawr

Well this is something I just noticed recently: As a swiss-german speaker when speaking german, I unconsciously try to speak in whole sentences with correct structure etc, because that is just about how swiss people usually use german, as written text.

El'endia Starman

22:41

Oh hey @VTC, where are you from? That'd give some insight into regional dialectal differences.

Zgarb

@flawr This is what I do with English.

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:OOO I know how to do silent pings now.

El'endia Starman

Well, not really.

'cause it failed. :P

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;)

feersum

If you ping me it will be a silent ping...the sound seems to be broken.

El'endia Starman

22:42

@feersum test

VoteToClose

I'm from Texas, but I've lived longer in England. I have no accent.

feersum

Silent as expected.

VoteToClose

Hmm.

El'endia Starman

@feersum And that's a bummer. On the plus side, you can be more productive since no one can get your attention while you're away from the room... :P

@VoteToClose ahh, interesting

VoteToClose

Oh, my god. XD That threw a "This may be a phishing site" warning.

Pietu1998

22:46

This should be a ‍silent ping.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman I'm stalking you on your website right now=)

Pietu1998

Lol, my silent ping actually worked.

flawr

I suggest adding 'insignificant programs' to your resumee.

VoteToClose

:o Pietu, show me your ways.

El'endia Starman

Good job @Pietu1998! :) ⁣

@flawr ....INSIGNIFICANT?!?

Pietu1998

22:48

So basically you can do silent pings by putting the following code inside your message: [&zwj;](http://@UserToPing/) where the entity must be the actual character.

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f

Pietu1998

Almost, but no.

flawr

@El'endiaStarman Well if you alread have a section significant programs there should aslo be one with insignificant programs =)

El'endia Starman

Well, that didn't work. :P⁣⁣⁣⁣

Pietu1998

Here's how I did it.

El'endia Starman

22:49

@flawr ...........hmm.....you have a point... :(

:P

☼

I dunno what that is. :P

flawr

Explosion.

El'endia Starman

....oooh.

☼☼☼

flawr

So may I ask you, are you still at an uni or do you have a job?

El'endia Starman

Graduated last May, still looking for a job. :(

flawr

Is it possible to get a job with a bachelor's degree? (That is what you've got, right?)

El'endia Starman

22:52

Absolutely.

My main problem right now is that I don't have experience that a LOT of companies are looking for.

flawr

Because you cannot get a job because you do not have any experience because you cannot get a job because you do not have any experience because...

El'endia Starman

It's frustrating, really. Considering that I just graduated, you would think my lack of experience is totally understandable, and that, if anything, the amount and quality of stuff I've produced in 8 years of programming should be good indicators of my skill...

flawr

Yeah, I mean your website is quite impressive.

El'endia Starman

thanks :)

VoteToClose

Like this?

flawr

22:55

But on the other hand here it is almost impossible to get a job without a masters degree (at least if you are studying a science subject).

El'endia Starman

huh, wow

VoteToClose

There we go.

flawr

Well CS is perhaps an exception, because they are currently needed everywhere.

Pietu1998

Apparently‍. :P

VoteToClose

I had to apply Unicode Hex input.

El'endia Starman

22:55

Yup, that's the trick. :) ⁣

Calvin's Hobbies

Really? [](http://@Vot)

VoteToClose

Use the unicode hex input 200b.

For the [] bit.

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies lel you did it wrong

Pietu1998

Something is broken

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies 11

@Pietu1998 Nope

Pietu1998

22:58

I believe you aren't supposed to reply to 2 future messages.

quartata

@PeterTaylor I don't know where to even get a tatar domain though

Calvin's Hobbies

@VoteToClose I'm sure I've done it without that

quartata

I think .at would probably be better anyways

I'm not sure I like the stray r

Alex A.

@quartata Did someone say Tatar?

quartata

@AlexA. Yes

Alex A.

23:00

Are you Tatar?

You want some kind of Tatar website?

quartata

No

Alex A.

My grandpa could hook you up. His English is terrible and he doesn't understand computers.

Oh

flawr

Didn't we recently have a discussion about Tatar/tartare?

quartata

I was thinking about quar.tatar

Alex A.

Why .tatar?

Calvin's Hobbies

23:01

Test [][http://@quartata.com]

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies Is there really a toot.com?

flawr

quartata

@AlexA. Closest thing to quartata

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. probably

Alex A.

@flawr So gross holy fack

quartata

23:01

@flawr yum

Alex A.

@quartata There isn't a .tata?

@quartata Or even a .ta so you could do quarta.ta?

Calvin's Hobbies

[](http://@AlexA.) hmm

Alex A.

You aren't doing stealth pings correctly, FYI.

Calvin's Hobbies

I've done them before ;_;

Alex A.

Right, but it isn't working.

Calvin's Hobbies

23:03

You shouldn't need special charcters

Alex A.

But you do.

flawr

hmm

Alex A.

Hmm?

flawr

Hmmm! Fail.

Alex A.

@flawr The leading space is visible. I recommend putting the ping at the end. ;)

flawr

23:04

The space is not visible.

Spaces are never visible.

Alex A.

HMMMMMM

flawr

Because nothing is there to be visible.

Alex A.

I see space and time.

flawr

GET IT?

Alex A.

Yes

Pietu1998

23:05

I'm ‍just used to using ZWJ for these things. It's nice because programs treat it as non-whitespace.

flawr

YOU SEE ABOUT AS MUCH AS JON SNOW KNOWS!

Alex A.

@Pietu1998 ZW...J?

flawr

@AlexA. &zwj;

Pietu1998

Zero ‍Width Joiner

Alex A.

Oh. I know it as a zero width space.

Calvin's Hobbies

23:06

Stop it[](http://@Alex)

wtf, I know I've done it without zwsp!

Did they fix it?

Alex A.

I've never been able to do it without a zero width space.

flawr

No.

Alex A.

You can do it on punctuation, which is less obvious but is still more obvious than with a ZWSP.

Calvin's Hobbies

Stop it`

Alex A.

Stop what?

VoteToClose

23:08

I see that accent. ;)

flawr

What is this thing called anyway?

El'endia Starman

Huh.⁣

flawr

´'`

Pietu1998

I'm unsure whether or not ZWSP works. ZWJ does.

El'endia Starman

...that totally didn't work. :P

Alex A.

23:09

@flawr Stealth ping?

VoteToClose

Use Unicode Hex Input 200b.

Alex A.

@Pietu1998 ?

flawr

Nope those `´

Alex A.

0x200B?

El'endia Starman

Interesting.

I have such a character on my clipboard. :P

Alex A.

23:10

It's not that interesting, really.

El'endia Starman

I was just trying to get &zwj; to work.

Alex A.

SE is in the process of changing the way chat pinging works.

El'endia Starman

right

I wondered if that was why.

Alex A.

It hasn't gone live yet.

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FGITW...

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A: Code Golf: Forwards sdrawkcaB sdrawkcaB Forwards Forwards sdrawkcaB

AppleScript, 215 Bytes set x to(display dialog""default answer"")'s text returned's words set o to"" set n to 1 repeat with i in x if n<2 set o to o&i&" " else set o to o&(i's characters's reverse as text)&" " end set n to(n+1)mod 4 end o Basically, this uses a variable n to keep track of where it is in the loop of flipping or not flipping. Then, if it's from 0-1, it keeps it normal. Otherwise, it'll flip it. Output of test condition: She slles aeS shells on eht aeS shore

Calvin's Hobbies

23:12

I heard this too. Have the link?

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El'endia Starman

The link was in this chat room last night.

Alex A.

^

VoteToClose

What time UTC?

Calvin's Hobbies

Thanks..

El'endia Starman

23:14

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Q: RFC: Better chat @mentions – A prototype

Status: 75% - We have a prototype to play with the UI Previous RFC: RFC: Better chat @mentions Problem Statement & Background Please see the previous RFC. Proposed solution The feedback to the solution I proposed in the original RFC was overwhelmingly positive. We now have a prototype of the...

discussion feature-request chat feedback ping

Alex A.

Pfft. "Better."

More like broken.

El'endia Starman

Only for you, @AlexA..

Pietu1998

FIDDLE TO CREATE STEALTH PINGS

Alex A.

<3

flawr

</3

3>

VoteToClose

23:15

@Pietu1998 +1 (but no star) for golfing. :D

Alex A.

@Pietu1998 You'll need to remove spaces from the user name input

Also the trailing / is unnecessary

VoteToClose

❤️

Pietu1998

@AlexA. Nah, you just assume that the user inputs something they would use in a ping

El'endia Starman

♥

...

[shrugs]

flawr

LESSTHANTHREE

<=2

VoteToClose

23:17

@flawr Provided that we're dealing with integers.

Calvin's Hobbies

Hmm‍

flawr

@VoteToClose Is there anything else than natural numbers???

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies thumbs up

Calvin's Hobbies

Could golf it to ftp as well ‍

Alex A.

o ya

VoteToClose

23:18

@flawr Assume 2.5. Less than 3, but greater than 2.

Alex A.

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Alex A.

Zgarb

@flawr Does the set of natural numbers even exist?

Calvin's Hobbies

Can we do invisible ink?

flawr

23:20

@Zgarb The set does not exist, but the numbers do.

Alex A.

zgarb-is-numbers

Calvin's Hobbies

Where it wont show up until highlighted

Alex A.

Like a spoiler tag?

Hm.

Calvin's Hobbies

‍

Alex A.

No

Hover over me, baby.

Doorknob

23:23

@AlexA. say what

Alex A.

@Doorknob what

Calvin's Hobbies

‍

2

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies sigh

Calvin's Hobbies

jsfiddle.net/bkc7yvs7/embedded/result

Doorknob

what is the point of that O_o

Calvin's Hobbies

23:27

@Doorknob 👯

🐦 🐧 🚪 🐍

Alex A.

Hooray, I am a gray bird.

Calvin's Hobbies

These are fun: emojipedia.org

👁_👁

Alex A.

@Calvin'sHobbies You're fun.

Doorknob

PPC⛳

Alex A.

PPC<hole>

flawr

23:33

Is it possible to define the width of images here?

Alex A.

No

Calvin's Hobbies

👂 👁 👁 👂
    👃
    👅

Alex A.

oh god

Calvin's Hobbies

This guy is creepy :/

Alex A.

Yes

I will have nightmares.

Doorknob

23:36

your tongue looks like a mushroom

Alex A.

Mine doesn't

Doorknob

Alex A.

Definitely not less creepy

Calvin's Hobbies

🍀 = Irish, 🍁 = Canadian, 🌾 = Greek, 🍂 = ?

Alex A.

Leaves

Also why is that Greek

Calvin's Hobbies

23:39

Olive branch

The olive branch is usually a symbol of peace or victory and was historically worn by brides and virgins. This symbol, deriving from the customs of Ancient Greece, is strongest in Western culture. However, it has been found in every culture and religion to thrive in the Mediterranean basin. == Ancient Greece and Rome == In Greek mythology, Athena competed with Poseidon for possession of Athens. Poseidon claimed possession by thrusting his trident into the Acropolis, where a well of sea-water gushed out. Athena took possession by planting the first olive tree beside the well. The court of gods...

Alex A.

I'm pretty sure that emoji is wheat, not olive branches

Doorknob

it's actually rice

EAR OF RICE, specifically

Calvin's Hobbies

@AlexA. 🙀

Alex A.

@Doorknob dos rice has ear

Doorknob

@Calvin'sHobbies WEARY CAT FACE

Alex A.

23:41

dos cat has face

flawr

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Planting Steiner Trees programming-challenge algorithm In the following we are talking about Steiner trees are (roughly speaking) similar to minimal spanning trees: The goal is connecting all nodes with a graph that is as short as possible. But when constructing steiner trees you can add addit...

VoteToClose

I mortarboarded. :D

flawr

?

VoteToClose

Yes. I did a mortar, we're engaged.

flawr

But can you explain what you did?

VoteToClose

23:53

I hit the rep cap for the day. ;)

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Planting Steiner Trees programming-challenge algorithm In the following we are talking about Steiner trees are (roughly speaking) similar to minimal spanning trees: The goal is connecting all nodes with a graph that is as short as possible. But when constructing steiner trees you can add addit...

Doorknob

root@llama:~# apt-get upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade... The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
  golang-go-linux-amd64
Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove it.
Done
The following packages have been kept back:
  libgegl-0.3-0 libgl1-mesa-dri libqt5core5a libqt5dbus5 libqt5designer5 libqt5gui5 libqt5help5 libqt5network5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5qml5 libqt5quick5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5sql5

wow, things move fast on Debian unstable... I just did an upgrade like a week ago!

flawr

rep cap?

TheDoctor

> computer is named llama

Doorknob

my username is also llama

TheDoctor

23:55

:P

Doorknob

llama@llama:~$ echo hi Doctor
hi Doctor

flawr

TheDoctor

my hostname on one of my machines is quetzalcoatl

but my username is too close to my real name

VoteToClose

@flawr You can only get 200 rep in a day. If you hit it, it's called mortarboarding.

Doorknob

30% [62 libreoffice-draw 921 kB/2,391 kB 39%]                146 kB/s 30min 20s

wonderful, 30 minute updates

TheDoctor

23:59

get better internets

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