The Nineteenth Byte

5:00 PM

Ha.

FYI, I don't think so that we are the only one raiding at this moment. Heck, I did not even restart any SE for a while. So if its still happening, other SE are also in it.

Madara Uchiha

@Rodolvertice I count, at the very least, 28 people to disagree with you.

Rodolvertice

Whats so bad about it though?

John

@Optimizer I am certain other SE's are organizing revenge raids.

Madara Uchiha

@Rodolvertice It's trolling.

Hasturkun

5:01 PM

@Rodolvertice Bad sportsmanship?

Unihedro

@Rodolvertice Unprofessionalism.

Optimizer

@John but not only to us. so it has spread now.

Rodolvertice

Its a game.

Madara Uchiha

@Optimizer heh, wait until the Indians wake up.

Rodolvertice

Its a widget on a sidebar!

Optimizer

5:01 PM

The fact is, sooner or later, it would have become a game or raid.

Rainbolt

I for one would love to see PPCG raided.

Madara Uchiha

@Rodolvertice It's a game, and you've ruined the game for other people.

John

@Rodolvertice It's like winning a game of soccer by ko-ing the enemy team and scoring while they are out.

Optimizer

@MadaraUchiha you must have your clock all wrong

Hasturkun

@john: I'd guess the Meta post pointing to PPCG does that on its own

Rodolvertice

5:01 PM

I?

I did not take part in the raids

Madara Uchiha

@Rodolvertice 'you' can be plural too.

John

@Rodolvertice Irrelevant. No one knows who did and who didn't, only that they were organized by PPCG. All of PPCG will take that blame.

Madara Uchiha

I'm not signaling anyone out here, and I personally don't care that much

Optimizer

@MadaraUchiha becuase its late night in India and everyone is about to sleep. So please stop being so racist

Madara Uchiha

But fact is, it became a big deal

Rainbolt

5:03 PM

^ Known fact.

Runer112

btw, this isn't exactly like winning a game of soccer by ko-ing the enemy team, because that's explicitly against the rules of soccer

Hasturkun

@Rainbolt I think it was being raided earlier when I joined chat

Madara Uchiha

@Optimizer Racist? It's a population that comprises a significant portion of most of SE's communities, and they, most likely, haven't seen the game yet.

What did you think I mean?

Optimizer

@MadaraUchiha I am not sure what are you talking about. The game went live at around 4 PM by indian time

John

@Runer112 And if this game had rules, I'm pretty sure "don't be a jerk to other sites" would be in there, too

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Optimizer

5:04 PM

so it has been around 7 hrs now.

Madara Uchiha

vOv

Matt Giltaji

@John isn't that in the se code of conduct?

John

@MattGiltaji I believe it is.

Unihedro

@Runer112 Irrelevant. KOing stops the game from continuing to rules. Raiding stops other communities playing.

Rodolvertice

But its just a game, and the restart button was included for a reason.

Rainbolt

5:05 PM

John, stop calling people mean and jerks. I ask this of you politely. I already took my anger out on a moderator in an earlier comment (whoops).

Rodolvertice

What would the restart button be for anyways?

And why can users go on any SE site?

Rainbolt

It is apparently for sites who are performing poorly and want a fresh start

Geobits

@Unihedro Stops them from playing? No, it resets progress. It doesn't end the game, and there are 24+ hours to take revenge , or catch back up, or whatever. We aren't all on all the time, this just happened at a time when we were numerous in chat.

John

@Rainbolt Who did I call a jerk? and where?

Rainbolt

"don't be a jerk to other sites"

ʞɹɐzǝɹ

5:07 PM

Guys... it seem to me you guys need a timeout to cool off...

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John

@Rainbolt Alright, who is that calling a jerk?

@ʞɹɐzǝɹ I would agree.

Napoleon Wilson

Well, on the bottom line, whatever this April 1st thing was designed for, I'm pretty certain to say it has already failed that goal before the majority of users even had April 1st.

Rainbolt

It's implied.

John

@Rainbolt implication is in the eye of the beholder

Rainbolt

If I pointed to a rule in the ToS, you would behold that I was implying something too.

Runer112

5:08 PM

what's the point of even mentioning it if you didn't mean anything by it

Rodolvertice

I think its an awesome little widget that was designed to make sites more competitive.

randomra

I guess I will ask about my golf-question idea on another day...

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Rodolvertice

And by making them more competitive boost the overall popularity of SE

John

@randomra No please, a change of topic would be good here, I think.

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Unihedro

@randomra Ask it somewhere else unless you still trust this one.

Sp3000

5:09 PM

Is it another Collatz question? :P

Rainbolt

@Unihedro On what other site would code golf be on topic?

Optimizer

CR, right ? :P

@randomra shoot away, unless most of the interested people are already chat banned

Geobits

This April Fool's Day game sure could've used a run through The Sandbox.

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randomra

In short: write a bijective N -> ZxZ function.

Rainbolt

@Geobits Haha that made my morning.

Optimizer

5:10 PM

@Geobits +10000

Sp3000

Hmmm sounds like something which, once somebody gets an optimal algorithm, everyone just ports

Runer112

probably shouldn't have been tagged with koth as well

Optimizer

@Sp3000 doesn't mean we should not do it.

Rainbolt

We have been 70% or more unanimous for like twenty rounds in a row

Rodolvertice

I hate it when CG questions end up with someone doing all the hard work and then everyone else just making ports

Optimizer

5:11 PM

This is good

Sp3000

Do you write the N -> Z x Z or also the Z x Z -> N?

randomra

just the N->ZxZ

Runer112

@Rodolvertice I always upvote the answer that created the winning algorithm

Optimizer

me too

Runer112

and whatever answer optimized it the most, of course

Madara Uchiha

5:12 PM

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A: When something that was supposed to be fun became not fun

Code Golf has won the game Yeah. Code Golf is the winner of Stack Egg and can now enjoy the rest of the day basking in the admiration of the Stack Exchange network. We are as surprised as anyone that the game is over even before April 1 reached the timezones of most users, but the facts are unde...

Heh

what true victor ?

The one and only.

TheBestOne ?

@Optimizer I would assume it doesn't currently display PPCG at the top

Optimizer

@John Please stop

John

5:13 PM

@Optimizer Stop what?

Was that rude?

Oh, it does show PPCG.

Optimizer

no. but it was clearly showing hate against PPCG. As far as I know, none of the PPCG users displayed any hate against any other SE

VisualMelon

I think I am one of those people who lives mostly of FGITW votes

John

@Optimizer How is that showing hate?

I said nothing bad there about PPCG

Rainbolt

I thought someone told me SO couldn't play. But I was totally wrong lol.

randomra

@Sp3000 that's often the case but might be a couple projections which suits better for different people/languages

John

5:15 PM

@Rainbolt It was turned off on SO for a while, but they turned it back on. Don't know why

Optimizer

@Rodolvertice @Calvin'sHobbies that is mostly the case nowadays, Pyth or CJam might be the winner, but rarely most up voted

Geobits

@Rainbolt I think it was disabled for a bit shortly after the SE outage earlier.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Rodolvertice Heh, yeah I meant runner and I thought he said accept.

randomra

@Sp3000 and I don't think there is a very simple one

Runer112

I don't accept any answers because I don't write any questions, I'm not creative

balpha

5:16 PM

@John very good point, I'm adding this right now

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will be live in a few minutes

John

Well there you have it. Raiding is now just as much against the rules as KOs in soccer.

Rainbolt

The devs of this game have obviously never played Munchkin.

Optimizer

its like "Using GolfScript or CJam for answering code-golf answers is not funny anymore" all over again.

Rainbolt

Or if they have played Munchkin, they've never played the thief

Sklivvz

An idea! It would just be great if the code golf would go and help other sites win, playing fairly. And I am not saying this sarcastically. It's a good opportunity to show sportsmanship and maturity.

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Unionhawk

5:18 PM

@John is simply calling a spade a spade. This room has been engaging in malicious manipulation of what should be a fun little game in order to both ensure victory and to "salt the wound". If you feel that other users calling you out for that is uncalled for, then, well, I don't know what to tell you.

Optimizer

@Sklivvz we actually were doing this.

Jaydles

All - no one's saying anyone was being a jerk. We coulda been clearer about where the right line between fun competition and drumming up resentment was likely to fall. No harm, no foul, no judgement. Let's just agree not to deliberately muck up other sites VERY SERIOUS DUMB FUN. :P

Optimizer

@Sklivvz but then you guys showed how to be a sportsman, right ?

Nathan Merrill

ah! its april fools

I had no idea

day wasted

Rainbolt

Wow we maxed out

Runer112

5:20 PM

we've really got the tactics down now

user23013

@balpha So the restart option will still be there?

Runer112

no raiding necessary :)

Sp3000

@Rainbolt Cleric with Divine Intervention, please

Nathan Merrill

has anybody written a script yet?

Calvin's Hobbies

@balpha I agree that our raiding will make us look like jerks, which is not good for our community. But it hardly seems an "unfair" tactic since any SE can do it. If it's against the rules there needs to be some real impediment against it or people will do it.

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Rainbolt

5:21 PM

@Sp3000 The group I play with actually refuses to put that card into the pile. And they made up some extra rules for the thief. It's all very confusing.

Sp3000

Yeah that tends to happen, eh :P

Rainbolt

@Calvin I think that the new wording implies that people will be banned for clicking on a button that they themselves created.

Nathan Merrill

you restart voter XP

balpha

There's no point in this. You don't need the restart button if you want to be a jerk and harm another site's game. — balpha ♦ 46 mins ago

TheBestOne

You guys ruined my question :(

Rainbolt

5:22 PM

I think it was closed in almost record time

Sorry guy

Optimizer

ha. it was obv. off-topic :D

Sp3000

@TheBestOne As nice of a joke it was, I don't think it's helping. Sorry.

TheBestOne

I was just about to post an answer.

Optimizer

hahahahaha

Hasturkun

Flagging or noise would probably be just as bad and annoying

Rainbolt

5:22 PM

Well, look at the bright side. We set records for fastest non moderator closed question.

Optimizer

nah

there have been sub 30 second close

Rainbolt

By users?

John

@TheBestOne Next time have the answer written out already so all you have to do is C&P :P

TheBestOne

@Optimizer That's why I gave it the tips tag.

Rainbolt

That's impressive

Optimizer

5:23 PM

by total 5 close votes, yes

Geobits

I may have set the record for fastest downvoted answer on Meta. I wonder how I could check that... it's a personal record at the very least.

John

@Geobits Meta.SE is known for being really really liberal with downvotes. I suspect there are faster-downvoted ones.

Rainbolt

@Geobits I got -6 in less than a minute.

Then I edited, hit -8, and deleted.

TheBestOne

I'm confused. Did you mean to post this on a different site...? — Alex A. 1 min ago

No

Geobits

The funny thing is that I have net positive rep from it. That's seriously wrong IMO.

Optimizer

5:25 PM

we are getting vote split .

Geobits

@John Yea, I've been downvoted far before, just not that fast. It was less than a minute at -10, I didn't time it exactly.

John

@Geobits I've always fought that funny, too. But, it's intentional so that people don't take downvotes too hard

Rainbolt

Hah. It finally came down to this. My CEO finally reached out directly to me and said "Why are you the only employee who isn't wearing a pedometer and tracking steps?" So I responded "Buy me one and I will. Promise."

I knew that we were few, but I had no idea I was the only one.

Runer112

whoa, 3 restarts that day

Optimizer

its nice for a company to be concerned !

Runer112

5:28 PM

I think some people didn't exactly get the memo :/

Rainbolt

Yes. I'll do anything if the CEO emails me directly.

John

@Runer112 I would agree. Comments are still being posted about how people should go raid PPCG

Rainbolt

I do the street cleanup every quarter and I represent the company at a marathon like every month it seems. But who cares about tracking steps?

Geobits

That's the beauty of all this. People are calling us evil and demonizing our tactic, yet emulating it as well. It's like politics :D

Optimizer

totally

we are the minority now

VisualMelon

5:30 PM

To be honest, I was rather looking forward to inter-site alliances forming, so that smaller sites could protect themselves from larger ones, etc.

Rainbolt

Hah. I'm getting a free pedometer. I feel kind of guilty for some reason.

Optimizer

me too

John

@Geobits Not emulating it because they like it, they just want revenge.

Geobits

If more sites thought of it as a capture-the-flag, then this would be way more fun.

As it is, they want separate little games with no interaction. Full interaction would be better.

John

@Geobits If were built deliberately around stopping other sites, then I would agree

Rainbolt

5:31 PM

If there was only a select few flags and we had all of them, then it would be fun to fail at holding on to them

But the low traffic sites would never get a flag

So all of their fun would consist of taking ours away

Which isn't very fun I guess

Geobits

I agree that something would have to be done for balance on low-traffic sites.

Rainbolt

Have we ever missed the vote requirement?

Hasturkun

Don't think so

Rainbolt

Seems like it should escalate slowly until we fail to hit it

John

The vote requirement scales with the number of people playing.

You will never miss it.

Rainbolt

5:32 PM

Since the number of people playing doesn't just change drastically, it seems useless

Runer112

just to clarify, since it looks like we're about to restart, what's the private beta strat? top down or alternating?

Optimizer

alternating

John

@Rainbolt That's what I mean. If only 1 person is playing, it will be 1.

Rainbolt

I like alternating as well. Just because of the superstition that the two items affect each other.

Runer112

any particular reason for alternating

I don't think they affect each other

Optimizer

5:33 PM

"superstition" :D

John

hehe

rolfl

"That's the beauty of all this. People are calling us evil and demonizing our tactic, yet emulating it as well. It's like politics" - it's about numbers and ratios. "You" (as a smallish-site) identified an attack vector, exploited it effectively, and "won out" over a very large population. Then, when that very large population learned the vector, a much smaller proportion of them responded in kind. So, you guys may be 0.01% or so of PCG, but 0.00001% of all the other sites are a lot of people.

Runer112

superstition = days lost :p

DigitalTrauma

wow the restart voters are really trying hard now

Rainbolt

I like the way rofl put it. A small community with an effective attack vector. It sounds way cooler.

Runer112

5:34 PM

restarts are getting serious

Hasturkun

@DigitalTrauma All 5 of them?

Runer112

ha

now they can restart

Hasturkun

Yay. I think I'll leave this round alone

Runer112

I'm not sure I agree with alternating

Hasturkun

Otherwise I won't get anything done today

Runer112

5:35 PM

it leaves points on the table

John

@DigitalTrauma Someone dropped a comment under the MSE post on raiding with a link here.

Rainbolt

Ok, let's top down again then

Nvm. The other strat is going full already

I'm back on the alt boat

Runer112

I prefer top down

Rainbolt

Next time perhaps?

We only have all afternoon to work on a perfect strat

It does say questions affect answers

So it would make sense to max questions then answers

Runer112

too few questions

not too many questions

Rainbolt

5:36 PM

What if we were rewarded for helping other sites rather than raiding them?

Has that been suggested already?

Hasturkun

Something Co-op instead of KOTH?

John

@Rainbolt I do not think so.

@Rainbolt I doubt they would add a reward though, seeing as there likely isn't any reward at any point whatsoever.

Rainbolt

Not a real reward.

TheBestOne

Better question (if more controversial): write a bot that plays stack egg (pop-con). — Calvin's Hobbies 52 secs ago

Rodolvertice

Someone write a script that just presses the button with the highest percentage automatically

Geobits

5:38 PM

I believe they're starting work on one in The Maid Cafe.

Hosch250

I believe they already have one.

hsl

I've been using one for a while.

Hosch250

Some people said it is cheating and won't use it.

Rainbolt

Like, we could have a Politics bar. It decreases whenever a user with most of his rep on one site starts causing havoc on another. It increase when we help each other.

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Then we'd all be holding hands while multi tabbing

Rodolvertice

and a script that auto-presses the restart button on all other sites using multiple accounts

Runer112

5:39 PM

a vote bot does seem a bit cheaty

Rainbolt

We're being restarted

That was close

Hosch250

It isn't me.

Want to help CR with theirs?

You have 4 wins, and we have none, so you'll beat us anyway.

Runer112

we scraped by on that last vote requirement

Rainbolt

Who is "us" and "theirs"? You used each pronoun oppositely in two messages.

Help CR with "ours" because "we" have none.

PhiNotPi

The problem is that scoring is done by "most wins in a certain period of time (~two days)". Under no circumstances would restarting increase a site's score.

Rodolvertice

5:42 PM

I think the meaning got through clearly

Hosch250

@Rainbolt You remind me a bit of one of our mods, who edits almost every question on the site.

Runer112

guys, we're getting nothing'd hard

Hosch250

Someone is raiding us too.

Rainbolt

I'm voting top to bottom

With the last two inverted

Runer112

so wh'd you vote answer then :p

Rainbolt

5:43 PM

Wasn't me lol

Runer112

guys we're literally about to get restarted

Hosch250

I Continued for you.

Nathan Osman

Lol.

Rainbolt

< Afraid to go eat lunch lol

Nathan Osman

Users from other sites are attempting to hijack your progress, I think.

Rainbolt

5:44 PM

Hold the fort guys! I need a sandwich!

Runer112

where the hell are these downvote votes coming from

answer is next

so much split

Optimizer

ugh, voted too early

Hosch250

I'm off to lunch.

See you.

Runer112

5 restarts, raid is getting a bit serious

Optimizer

white other sites are progressing smoothly now

so yeah, PPCG should not raid anyone but its okay to raid PPCG now .

damn right

I think we should learn our lessons here

Chris Jester-Young

5:52 PM

Please don't stoop to their level. Honour is more important than winning.

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rolfl

Immediately after Hosdh250 said this, someone(s) started vote-to-reset Code Review's egg.

John

@Optimizer The lesson I see is: don't start it and people won't hold grudges against you.

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Chris Jester-Young

A friendly message from your former moderator. ;-)

Optimizer

@John really ? wow

i think PPCG users got the lesson and don't need any consolation from others.

Hasturkun

There's basically a call to raid here. I'm guessing that's a part of the current restart idiot brigade

Optimizer

5:53 PM

we have 6 raiders now.

so much for sportsmanship

John

@Hasturkun So it's "in good spirit" when PPCG does it, but "idiots" when it gets done to PPCG?

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Optimizer

and yes, we say raid in chat , its offensive and we get chat banned.

others post answers and comments - all fine

Chris Jester-Young

Just let it go. Things will cool off if you let it.

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Optimizer

@ChrisJester-Young wow, this advice was not given to other haters

Hasturkun

@John: Did you see me advocating raiding anywhere? I think it's idiotic.

Optimizer

5:55 PM

for other haters - "go ahead and raid PPCG, ban their users from chatting and post hate messages"

Runer112

can someone poke Mr. Adam Davis for me

I don't actually have a meta account

Hasturkun

So, yes. Idiots.

John

@Runer112 Just did.

TheBestOne

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Q: Build a Stack Egg Bot

Stack Egg is a small game recently released by Stack Exchange. To play it, you can click on the "ad" on the right hand side of the page. The goal is to have your bot propel your favorite Stack Exchange site to the top of this leaderboard. The submission with the most upvotes at the end April 1 ...

Runer112

that's not really what I meant, but okay

Optimizer

5:55 PM

if we got restarted even once, I am pretty much on to raiding patrol again. Please feel free to follow me.

Runer112

could've said it without heavily implying that we did it with malintent

Sp3000

@TheBestOne I am so tempted to post a joke answer... but I shall refrain.

Optimizer

leaderboard should be the clue

waits to get chat banned

Chris Jester-Young

@Optimizer I don't want to be heavy-handed but I don't advise that course of action. We have to be better than that.

John

@Optimizer Relax, I don't think anyone agrees that chat-banning is the right thing to do here.

Unionhawk

5:57 PM

If I catch the flag, I'll be sure to invalidate it, however, you should know that chat flags get actioned quicker, and with more knee-jerk than site flags.

Sp3000

Man, how does Amateur Radio keep doing that

John

@Optimizer I do agree with @ChrisJester-Young here, though

Optimizer

@ChrisJester-Young yes, we . Not just PPCG

TheBestOne

I visited it Meta StackEgg. It was pitiful. Only one person was voting.

John

@TheBestOne Maybe that's how you actually win

Do it alone

Chris Jester-Young