The Nineteenth Byte

Optimizer

1:00 PM

time for a restart raid

Geobits

@Optimizer where to? :)

Optimizer

everywhere

Geobits

I guess it wouldn't be hard to write a restart-bot to distribute among a raiding party.

Optimizer

game dev anyone ?

fast fast

Doorknob

50/50

4 of 9 votes this time

Rainbolt

1:04 PM

@Optimizer I was in game dev for four semesters

Optimizer

soo ?

alright !

Geobits

And they're gone

PhiNotPi

   kudnduknukknnuddnukkudnknudnukdudukn
q 2221110111233222211233223332223322233
a 2100110011001221122111011221222211101
u 0011001101110011001101110011011011221
q 00x11221110000x1221110111101110112211

Rainbolt

How far back do I need to read before I understand why you asked that question ?

Optimizer

@Rainbolt far enough to the beginning of PPCG

Geobits

1:05 PM

He's talking about bombing the gamedev stackegg

Doorknob

@Optimizer ... uhhh, are we doing it again? lol

PhiNotPi

k = ask, u=upvote, d=downvote, n=answer

Optimizer

@PhiNotPi so when is the human version coming ?

Sp3000

Is each column the result after said option? e.g. second column after ask

PhiNotPi

Yes.

Rainbolt

1:07 PM

If we're gonna bomb them, let's do it politely. I hate to think of us slowly becoming 4chan

Geobits

What is the "graduation" criteria though? What exactly are we optimizing for?

PhiNotPi

There may be a few errors, but generally you should see questions increase when you ask,

Doorknob

Okay, this is the third consecutive time we've restarted them. Anyone else think that's enough? :P

Zgarb

@Geobits There's a bar at the top of the game thingy. It moves faster if we have high stats.

PhiNotPi

Yeah, don't make them angry.

Sp3000

1:08 PM

You know, if you're raiding you should probably also think about how not to get raided :P

Geobits

Coffee and Home Improvement are ahead of us too ;)

Rainbolt

Omg I found the thing

Doorknob

lol Stack Overflow is getting a sizable amount of restart votes

Geobits

The only way I see to not get raided is having a lot of voters.

Rainbolt

(I thought Stack Egg was just lingo lol)

PhiNotPi

1:09 PM

The best time to restart is when they've almost won.

Geobits

@Zgarb So it's just the total number of hearts? Does it matter which category they are (does quality move it faster than users, etc)?

Doorknob

awww Stack Overflow almost restarted :P

Zgarb

Not sure, that's just an empirical observation.

Optimizer

le me goes to it

Geobits

SO is at 500 days already. Even if they win the internet, we're still ahead. Too many users there to form a unified strategy.

Zgarb

1:11 PM

Okay, I'm going to leave now.

Rainbolt

What does quality come from?

Geobits

Downvotes, like I've always said ;)

Rainbolt

I noly have ten seconds to read!

Geobits

No, I meant that as a general SE thing... "downvotes are good". It's kinda my motto.

Rainbolt

Don't apply logic to this!

You've also always said we'd make it out of beta

Geobits

1:13 PM

That's because it's true. I heard it's happening in May.

grc

which year?

Sp3000

You know, now I think about it we'll probably just get overtaken when we get to the quieter half of the timezones :P

PhiNotPi

Which is why we need to write a bot.

Geobits

A PPCG bot and a raiding bot combined would probably win the internet.

And who could complain? It's basically our site mission, right?

TheBestOne

I almost never downvote.

Optimizer

1:17 PM

go go go

who's up for restarting game dev ?

PhiNotPi

How much progress have they made?

Optimizer

public beta

Sp3000

PPCG version options: Ask, Answer, Answer again in a different language, Upvote, Leave a comment saying their submission's invalid, Close as duplicate, Close as general programming question

Geobits

You forgot downvote :(

PhiNotPi

How could we write a bot for this?

Sp3000

1:19 PM

I comment more than downvote :P

Runer112

and Close as off-topic

lots of people think we're stackoverflow for some reason

Optimizer

lets wait till gamedev is almost graduating

for now we are the only ones in graduated list

TheBestOne

We need more high quality answers.

Optimizer

@PhiNotPi did you crack the magic yet ?

Sp3000

Animanga just finished

Optimizer

1:29 PM

phi not pi ...

PhiNotPi

I think, under the surface, each heart is divided into thirds. Each "answer" raises that stat by three thirds, and each other action lowers it by one third.

Rainbolt

Should we let one of the categories bottom out for a few rounds so we can get stars on the others?

sacrifice quality maybe?

Sp3000

Is hitting close worth it? Our question count doesn't seem that high...

Rainbolt

I voted for downvote

So the questions don't take such a huge hit

But I think we should ignore quality until we max the others

So I'm not gonna downvote or close for a while

TheBestOne

Will do

We should max out stuff 1 at a time

Rainbolt

1:36 PM

Meh... we have troll voters :(

Game lost interest now

Geobits

If we're going to do that, we should make sure someone is recording the effect of each maxed stat on the progress bar....

Optimizer

i can do that

Rainbolt

We keep close voting and losing two stars of questions instead of downvoting and losing 1 star of (already empty) users.

Optimizer

yeah ..

we need to come up with a strategy and stick to it ..

Sp3000

Avoid close, prefer DV?

TheBestOne

1:38 PM

And make bots to play it for us.

Optimizer

yes

but , by strategy, i meant a higher level

Geobits

Over 9000??

Rainbolt

I'm preferring DV as well

Optimizer

even when we had full stars, the site progress was still 1 px

Rainbolt

7 hearts

Geobits

1:40 PM

I think I accidentally killed the Puzzling egg. I voted restart while they were in public, and now nobody's playing.

Rainbolt

avoiding close votes seems to be the way to go

Optimizer

hah

Sp3000

... oh that was you restarting? I was just watching the nothing happening

Optimizer

that's the geobits i know

Rainbolt

Errr

Optimizer

1:41 PM

SE is offline :O

Rainbolt

Did our site crash?

Optimizer

all of SE

grc

but the chat stands strong

Optimizer

We are disabling the eggs for a moment while we optimize them a bit. They'll return soon!

Tweeted by StackStatus on March 31, 2015 at 1:41 PM

apparently, eggs are heavier than hats

Geobits

Eggs crashed SE. Hilarious.

Think we'll lose our sweet, sweet progress?

Optimizer

1:43 PM

nah

Unihedro

@StackStatus Oh come on! Was having too much fun with them to see them being offline :p

Tweeted by Unihedro on March 31, 2015 at 1:42 PM in reply to StackStatus

Sp3000

Why hello

Unihedro

Hiya :D

grc

oh just realised it's april fools now

Optimizer

is it already ?

grc

1:45 PM

it is here

Unihedro

@grc Chat is hosted somewhere away from the main site, with the DB from slave servers.

Sp3000

12:45am Sydney

Geobits

Maybe that's the joke. Put up an addictive little game, then yank it out from under us a few hours in. April Fools!

Optimizer

@grc or is this an april's fool's joke too ?

Unihedro

Oh please no :p

Optimizer

1:46 PM

back up

Unihedro

Negative

Optimizer

up for me

i just prevented low users

Geobits

Negative

Sp3000

How did we end up on max quality all of a sudden lol

Optimizer

coz we made SE go down

Unihedro

1:48 PM

\o/

Optimizer

upvote guys

Sp3000

Meanwhile Amateur Radio hit 271 days

Optimizer

wtf

Rainbolt

How can their database handle all of these clicks on every site? Seems insane

Considering they usually get far less

Optimizer

SE is very efficient

Rainbolt

1:49 PM

Plus the chat is more active than usual

Optimizer

they have only 9 web servers with 4 DB boxes overall

for all of SE

getting over 570M visits per month

Rainbolt

EZ mode. Max top to bottom lol

Surely this can't be the most effective method

Oh, and heed warnings lol

Optimizer

we can never hit 272

VisualMelon

I've had trouble accessing PPCG since StackEgg

Unihedro

@Rainbolt stackexchange.com/performance

VisualMelon

1:52 PM

but my internet is always a bit funny

Optimizer

amateur radio - no one is doing anything right now

keep this top bottom strategy going - its working

we are progressing at 3 px now

Sp3000

:/ what's with the close votes

Rainbolt

Yes I understand that they get a lot of traffic. I'm saying that with every user clicking on this thing every 20 seconds, that traffic has probably been multiplied

Optimizer

someone's into ascii-art :

Unihedro

ROFL

Optimizer

1:56 PM

I think the progress rate is Num Hearts / 3 px

so by that, the fastest we can do after graduating to winning is 200 days

time to restart gamedev

one more time , more users needed

Sp3000

Still no traffic :(

Optimizer

we just have 2 ppl trying to close gamedev

we need 3

one more now

Geobits

Need four, ties don't restart it seems.

nvm :)

Optimizer

yesss

we has traffic

VisualMelon

you guys are despicable

Optimizer

2:04 PM

who's up for academia ?

nvm

we are now progressing at 5 px speed

PhiNotPi

Is it directly related to the number of hearts?

Geobits

That seems to fit the hearts/3 theory.

PhiNotPi

Yeah

Can you determine our graduation date from the current speed?

grc

help me restart askdifferent

it has almost won

Sp3000

Motor Vehicles 267, 2 flags hmm

Optimizer

2:09 PM

~80 more days

@grc on it

Geobits

Poor bastards

grc

I feel bad now

Geobits

Don't. They're all apple users :P

2

Optimizer

motor vehicle too

grc

anyone for security?

PhiNotPi

2:12 PM

What's our current speed?

Geobits

@grc On it

Optimizer

information security ?

grc is evil

:D

No, he's a winner :)

2:13 PM

I'm a Scrub apparently, because I insist of providing full programs with line-feed-terminated output

Geobits

Security didn't secure their egg.

Optimizer

hell to the security

grc

haha just took out server fault on 327 days as well

next up: programmers

Optimizer

I have +1500 today

Sp3000

How are you checking who's almost graduated?

Optimizer

2:16 PM

yingluck ?

Full hearts :)

physics?

trigonometry ?

as in physics.se

oh

nvm, i guess ?

grc

2:18 PM

just got it and meta.se as well

Optimizer

lol meta too ?

grc

now I can go to bed :)

Geobits

Got skeptics :)

Optimizer

we also have bed.se ?

Geobits

We need a few more voters to fend off raids as we get close, though.

Optimizer

2:21 PM

anime ?

Sp3000

D:

Optimizer

i dont think ppl have figured out raid stuff

grc

we're doomed as soon as they do

Geobits

It was mentioned on a comment in meta, so if they haven't figured it out yet, they soon will.

Optimizer

get ready guys, 10-15 days more to go

VisualMelon

2:23 PM

we just need to stick with it, and keep our numbers

Runer112

so have you guys minmaxed stackegg

Optimizer

no, we are brute forcing!

PhiNotPi

Not yet, at least.

Optimizer

but, I am still amazed that almost all other SE are winning in sub 300

Geobits

along with a helping of sabotage

Sp3000

2:24 PM

Minmaxing stackegg takes too many bytes :P

Optimizer

(not exactly winning, but would have if we'd let them)

Geobits

An actual egg only takes one or two bites.

Runer112

the endgame strat seems pretty easy

but what's the start strat

Optimizer

1 or 2 geobites ?

@Runer112 yeah, i think we waste a lot of time in starting

grc

flags are definitely worth using imo

Optimizer

2:26 PM

in the beginning ?

i am monitoring anime this time to see how they do

grc

when the hearts get reset

Geobits

Only at the beginning IMO.

Runer112

so flag in first round?

Optimizer

no

not until beta

grc

graduating resets hearts right?

Optimizer

2:27 PM

yeah

Geobits

Oh I thought it reset flags also.

grc

picking up the first few hearts seems to take a while then

Optimizer

so 2 things - graduate fast , get minimum stars after graduating fast

Sp3000

I'm trying to not care too much on users/quality on anime

PhiNotPi

How much do flags affect it if the stats aren't zero?

Optimizer

2:28 PM

@Sp3000 you are voting on anime ?

lookout for raiders now

Sp3000

Yeah, and I assume Unihedro is too

(but it's a good place to experiment!)

grc

we need a ping warning for if we get raided

PhiNotPi

I think using a flag right after graduation is best.

Optimizer

7 days better than last time

yeah, then lets use flag right after graduating ?

not before that though

PhiNotPi

Those 4 extra stars would gave us 1 pxl of extra speed for that whole round.

Geobits

2:30 PM

Hell yes

VisualMelon

first to Win twice

PhiNotPi

We are now a target.

4

Optimizer

lets keep this going and be the only one to win more than once :P

heading out for 30 minutes. keep watch for raiders guys !

VisualMelon

how does one change their vote?

Geobits

I don't think you can.

PhiNotPi

2:34 PM

I don't think you can.

:/

Geobits

:D

Rainbolt

I think I can.

(One of my favorite childhood movies)

grc

I don't think you can.

PhiNotPi

In private beta, alternating questions and answers is probably best.

Rainbolt

When we tie, I look at the animation to decide what happened

Runer112

2:35 PM

what's the strat in public beta

Rainbolt

And I choose the other

Max questions, then max answers, then max users, then max quality.

It also works when we graduate

Geobits

This proposal has my support

Rainbolt

Oh, and heed the warnings. They seem bad for reasons I do not yet understand

Runer112

we're not currently following that proposal

Rainbolt

Well, I am

Sp3000

2:37 PM

Suddenly we have 9 people

...and a restart vote

PhiNotPi

Raiders are here.

Geobits

10, and one's restaring.

Rainbolt

Now 13

VisualMelon

eep

Rainbolt

Luckily our raiders are disorganized

Geobits

2:39 PM

Movies and TV just won their second time :(

Sp3000

How does the number of voters required increase?

Rainbolt

Let the quality bottom out until we get a warning

VisualMelon

it depends on the number of people participating

Rainbolt

It saves us some stars that we wouldn't lose anyway

PhiNotPi

Based on the number of voters in the previous round, I think.

Runer112

2:41 PM

why aren't we letting users bottom out

Rainbolt

The way I see it, if you have a bottomed out stat and you don't vote for it, you haven't lost anything

PhiNotPi

I think that may be true as well.

grc

anyone want to reset maths?

PhiNotPi

I can help.

Runer112

we keep voting for upvote

why

Rainbolt

2:42 PM

People who aren't in here probably

They want it all to be evened out lol

Anyone else think we should go for answers and quality first when we graduate? The combination of the two generates traffic.

So basically we get a stat for free by going for those two first.

grc

answers are hard to maintain without questions

Rainbolt

Oh, I see.

PhiNotPi

We need more maths raiders if that is going to happen.

Rainbolt

Questions, answers, then quality. Skip over users unless we hit a warning?

grc

sounds good

Rainbolt

2:44 PM

I'll repost when we graduate

Geobits

You'd think you'd need a minimum amount of users for traffic.

Runer112

why quality before users

Rainbolt

Because traffic is born from quality + answers

Users only contributes to users

(Traffic is a stat we get when we graduate)

grc

^ nice

you made me close vote

Geobits

Of course right after I say that they restart.

grc

2:50 PM

:P

Geobits

arqade

Rainbolt

So strategy for graduation is immediately use a flag. Then Questions > Answers > Quality >Users.

3

PhiNotPi

I think increasing users decreases quality.

Sp3000

We have a flagger

Rainbolt

I pity him

We are legion

Runer112

2:56 PM

you all better be voting on our stackegg if you're in here

Sp3000

I'm multitasking.

Geobits

eek: gaming.stackexchange.com/a/211951/63192

Runer112

so what's close meta

Sp3000

Hmm we're going really well for public beta

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