The Nineteenth Byte

Radvylf Programs

2:15 PM

@user What sort?

caird coinheringaahing

CMC: Given an integer n, output the n x n matrix shown in this question

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Everything I see in the transcript for the last 10 hours looks on-topic to me. Golfing language design, general programming stuff, and a few brief comments on things that could tangentially connect to code golf.

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Can I use [0..n) instead of [1..n]?

Ginger

niec

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger No, must be the same as in the question

@RadvylfPrograms Ironically, all the talk about off-topic vs on-topic convos is on-topic :P

Radvylf Programs

2:20 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing n=>[...Array(n)].map((_,i)=>(k=[...Array(n).keys()][s="slice"](1))[s](i).concat(k)[s](0,n))

pxeger

@allxy Often the reason there's nothing on-topic is because it would just get drowned by all the off-topic, so people don't bother posting it

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Hmm, almost works

caird coinheringaahing

Jelly, 4 bytes

@RadvylfPrograms I absolutely hate that [s="slice"] trick :P

pxeger

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wow, an actual use for G?

Radvylf Programs

n=>[...Array(n)].map((_,i)=>(k=[...Array(n+1).keys()][s="slice"](1))[s](i).concat(k)[s](0,n))

Okay, finally works

tio.run/##ZcvBCsIwEATQu5/…

caird coinheringaahing

2:23 PM

@pxeger Not really, I'm just using it to show the matrix, rather than a list of lists :P

PyGamer0

@cairdcoinheringaahing ngn/k, 24 bytes: {|n{y_(y+#x)#x}/:n:1+!x}

pxeger

I know, but that still counts as an actual use

caird coinheringaahing

I have actually seen G be properly used in a CGCC answer a couple of times tbh

And not just to format something as a grid, but where it was actually a novel usage

Ginger

2 hours ago, by Ginger

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Will this makina program halt? makina is a cell-based esolang composed of automata which move around a grid. These automata follow paths of instructions that direct their movement. Your task is to, given a makina program using the below instructions as input, output a truthy or falsy value depend...

^ thoughts?

PyGamer0

@cairdcoinheringaahing flax already prints like that without G (but in python representation)

Radvylf Programs

2:25 PM

@Ginger I'd make sure to specify it's only a subset of makina

Since presumably the real thing's got control flow and stuff that makes it TC

Ginger

yes

ok put that in

Radvylf Programs

@RadvylfPrograms Byte saved: n=>[...Array(n)].map((_,i)=>(k=[...Array(n)].map((_,x)=>x+1)).slice(i).concat(k).slice(0,n))

Ginger

any other feedback before I post it?

Radvylf Programs

Output format

Ginger

it's truthy or falsy

> output a truthy or falsy value

Radvylf Programs

2:29 PM

That's pretty restrictive, and not all languages have the concept of truthy and falsy

You might also want to allow two distinct values

Ginger

hmmm

nah

Radvylf Programs

Please do

Ginger

I'll reword the current phrasing a bit

pxeger

I don't think "truthy or falsey" is a very well-defined measure anyway, because not all langauges have it

Radvylf Programs

Even the more restrictive DPs allow two distinct values

Ginger

2:30 PM

ok fine

did that

pxeger

I don't like the test case format

Radvylf Programs

Oh, in place of truthy/falsy?

pxeger

Is it ok if I edit?

Ginger

yes

tbh truthy/falsy are two distinct values

Radvylf Programs

Quite often people will return either 0 or a positive integer

Not necessarily

Grr network issues made it reverse those messages

Ginger

2:33 PM

f

pxeger

@Ginger You can revert if you want, but the most important thing to me is to group the truthy and falsey cases together

Ginger

lgtm

pxeger

> All other characters halt the automaton

Does this include spaces?

Ginger

yes

I make use of spaces in many of my makina programs

pxeger

You might want to make that explicit, because people could assume spaces are just noops

Radvylf Programs

2:35 PM

._.

Ginger

ಠ_ಠ

Radvylf Programs

Spaces aren't no-ops?

pxeger

Well, I did at first

Ginger

nope

spaces halt the automaton

pxeger

Can we assume inputs are padded to be rectangular?

Ginger

2:36 PM

nope

pxeger

Why not?

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger No, I was ._. ing at spaces not being no-ops, not at you figuring they were

Ginger

because my interpreter doesn't

Radvylf Programs

I swear like half of my packets or whatever are being lost

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms Try pinging 1.1 or something and measure your actual packet loss?

Radvylf Programs

2:37 PM

@pxeger They block ICMP

pxeger

@Ginger Your interpreter is like 10KB though

Ginger

ok

pxeger

The first step in almost every answer is going to have to be "pad the input to be rectangular", and that's just an unrelated task

@Ginger Tags?

code-golf halting-problem decision-problem grid?

Ginger

yes ofc

time to post

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Q: Will this makina program halt?

makina is a cell-based esolang composed of automata which move around a grid. These automata follow paths of instructions that direct their movement. Your task is to, given a makina program using only the below instructions (so a subset of normal makina) as input, output two distinct values depen...

Ginger

2:41 PM

tfw there's an upvote within 3 seconds of posting

lyxal

You're welcome.

Ginger

*cries in 2999 rep*

pxeger

You should probably explicitly mention the scoring criterion in the question body

Ginger

ok

lyxal

@Ginger you get the exciting privilege of being able to vtc now

Good job gamer.

pxeger

2:43 PM

~~More importantly, not needing approval for edits~~ nvm that's at 2k

Ginger

I do get to vtc now

lyxal

You're in luck because there is a grand total of 0 posts in the vtc queue

Ginger

wow

Radvylf Programs

There basically always is

Ginger

@pxeger codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/246441/…

Radvylf Programs

2:45 PM

You'll need GRT if you actually want to get a good chunk of the reviews

pxeger

What defines whether a question with VsTC appears in the queue?

Ginger

seems you made a whoopsie

caird coinheringaahing

If it has a VTC

pxeger

Because codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/246415 has 2 votes, but is no longer in the queue

Radvylf Programs

Probably got too many leave open votes

caird coinheringaahing

2:46 PM

@pxeger That left the queue after 3 Leave Open reviews

pxeger

ah it's 3 ok

caird coinheringaahing

Hmm, the review history now has an indicator if a reviewed post has been deleted

codegolf.stackexchange.com/review/close/history

lyxal

So it does.

Very nice.

Radvylf Programs

Yeah. I took a screenshot of the FQ queue with that and like half the posts in it were deleted after.

pxeger

I think it's been that way for a while

caird coinheringaahing

2:48 PM

Doesn't surprise me :P

pxeger

Maybe even since they updated the front page format

lyxal

Should codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/189/… be unprotected?

Unrelated String

@lyxal there;s a chance making an event like that could encourage people to hold back somewhat outside of that but when our problem is we aren't getting much on topic conversation to begin with it's not a bad idea

get new conversations started, encourage people to talk about stuff that isn't "fresh"

Radvylf Programs

@lyxal It's from 11 years ago and the problematic answers were in golfscript so I don't think it's highly active anymore xD

Wait unprotecting is unilateral?

Oops

caird coinheringaahing

Yep

lyxal

2:50 PM

Yep

That's why I asked.

caird coinheringaahing

No idea why it even protected it in the first place

pxeger

Just from autoprotection?

caird coinheringaahing

It protected it 12 hours ago

Radvylf Programs

Wha...

caird coinheringaahing

Nothing happened 12 hours ago on that question

lyxal

2:51 PM

Idk why either

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms It's ok, it shouldn't be protected codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/10420

@cairdcoinheringaahing an answer on it was deleted

codegolf.stackexchange.com/posts/189/timeline

caird coinheringaahing

And the answer was by a 1 rep user

Radvylf Programs

Bedwars KotH

Any opinions?

lyxal

> Bed ~~wars KoTH~~

That's what I need to do

o/

pxeger

Yes

Radvylf Programs

2:54 PM

o/

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms FWIW, we have exactly 3 protected questions: codegolf.stackexchange.com/tools/protected-questions, and that's basically all the protected questions we need

pxeger

> that's basically all the protected questions we need

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, I knew it should've been unprotected, but I didn't mean to steal it from lyxal :p

pxeger

So you can stay as the only user who's protected any?

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing (it was actually 4 a minute ago but there was another auto protected I unprotected)

caird coinheringaahing

2:55 PM

Exactly :P

Radvylf Programs

caird: protector of code golf™

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal I know, I tried to unprotect it at the same time and it didn't like it :P

lyxal

Hehe I unprotection sniped you

Out of context that could sound weird.

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms I tried to do it at the same time too lol

Romanp

@RadvylfPrograms The more KoTHs, the merrier, I guess!

caird coinheringaahing

2:57 PM

@pxeger The only reason I'm the only protecter is because I noticed we had a bunch of random protected questions a while back and sorted through them. Then realised that its easier for me to find which are autoprotects if those 3 didn't have "Protected by Community" next to them :P

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, but I don't want to spend a bunch of time on a KotH nobody will play :p

Unrelated String

a bedwars koth could be really interesting

could also be hard to write in a way that strikes a balance between emulating the actual game and being not too hard to write bots for

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking a 2d map, with two layers: a floor layer, and a building layer

Unrelated String

mmm

Radvylf Programs

So you still need to bridge between island and stuff, and can fall into the void

I don't think making it 3d adds much

caird coinheringaahing

2:59 PM

@RadvylfPrograms Funnily enough, you can also argue that I'm the opposite of the protector of code golf, as I'm the one who asked for less protection :P

Romanp

Or you could just make it so that when you place a block, you pick between a "walkable" block that lets people pass over it and a "wall" block which is impassable.

Radvylf Programs

That's also an option I guess

Romanp

but two layers could be more interesting

How would items work?

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms A 3d KotH would be pretty novel though

Radvylf Programs

I'm thinking the iron/diamond/emerald generators would be the only places you have items on the ground, and probably no inventory management stuff

Romanp

3:02 PM

@pxeger Yeah, the dogfight one is the only one I have seen

Radvylf Programs

So you'd just have all of your items in one big hotbar

Romanp

You could even simplify things more by just dropping blocks and weapons on their own so you don't need to exchange anything.

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger It'd be cool yeah, but I don't think it adds much to this one in particular, aside from towering up during fights over the void

Unrelated String

the mechanics overall will probably end up being pretty damn complex even in 2d

Radvylf Programs

@Romanp What do you mean? Like, when a player dies?

Unrelated String

3:04 PM

but yeah more 3d koth would be cool

Romanp

I mean in the place of item generators (I've never played bedwars, but I thought there were strategic sites that gave you items which could be exchanged for blocks/weapons).

Radvylf Programs

The strategy in how you spend your iron/gold/diamonds/emeralds is a big part of the game IMO, so I probably won't change that

Romanp

Ok.

Would it be like the Red vs Blue KoTH that teams are assigned beforehand and people can design bots to work together, or would it be 1v1 (or random teams each round)?

Radvylf Programs

That's a good question

I'm thinking teams of four

Whether they're chosen by the bot designers or randomly assigned, I'm not sure yet

PyGamer0

which language?

Radvylf Programs

3:07 PM

@PyGamer0 For this one and Hunter-Gatherer, I'm going to try something I haven't done before. A JS-Python-Java multi-language challenge.

For HG maybe I'll even have RTO's KotH environment up and running

Given how long it's taking me lol

pxeger

It's been over a year lol

Radvylf Programs

Maybe I'll have it finished before I graduate college

user

@RadvylfPrograms the sort that doesn’t interrupt more on topic conversation

Because tbh there isn’t always that much on topic stuff anyway

Radvylf Programs

Problem is, excessive off-topic stuff and the more immature and spammy type are both harmful to the room in ways other than interrupting on-topic discussion

user

By ruining TNB s reputation or something else?

Radvylf Programs

3:14 PM

Well, that's one part of it. But it also clutters the starboard with stuff that isn't really even that funny, it covers up things like sandbox feedback requests, it discourages on-topic discussion from occuring in the first place, and it's offputting to people who are here specifically to talk about programming related topics.

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ophact

@Ginger see comment on your question, please

user

I don’t think allowing off topic convos is the same as allowing stars on them, but i guess you’re right about the rest

Covering up previously asked questions is kinda bad

Unrelated String

i feel like at this moment ironically the problem with the starboard is how it's getting filled with random-ass glimpses of the dialogue about off-topic discussion

Radvylf Programs

Oh no another level of meta on the off-topic stuff

user

Stars aren’t a problem

Unrelated String

3:16 PM

but yeah in general the volume of off-topic stuff spills onto the starboard disproportionately

user

Ros can easily see and clear them

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, but it doesn't help when it's ~~turtles~~ off-topic all the way down

Bgil Midol

xkcd

Unrelated String

and that also leads to ros needing to exercise discretion on what is and isn't worth keeping starred

pxeger

I've tried to avoid mentioning this as much as possible to avoid hurt feelings, but now I think I should bring it up:

I have ignored 4 of TNB's regular users because, to put it bluntly, I was frustrated with how little they contribute to on-topic conversation

user

3:18 PM

I think I’ve changed my mind, we should have a separate room for off-topic stuff

2

Please don’t star that

If those stars are meant as votes we can do it on a meta question

ophact

@RadvylfPrograms Do we actually ever star sandbox feedback requests?

never seen that happen before

Ginger

^^

Unrelated String

i feel like we can't and shouldn't have a blanket policy against off-topic stars but off-topic stars should be coming out of on-topic conversations

so i guess that's another argument for an off topic room

user

Huh, maybe we should star feedback requests

And also other on topic questions

ophact

That would actually be very helpful

user

3:20 PM

And remove them when it’s done

ophact

I've noticed in the past that a lot of the time my feedback requests were ignored

pxeger

The SE chat star feature is fully described as "star as interesting for the transcript"

Unrelated String

ooh

PyGamer0

@user actually they might be:

Unrelated String

yeah that's smart

PyGamer0

3:20 PM

Nov 12, 2015 at 22:26, by Doorknob

okay seriously stop abusing stars

ophact

even after asking for feedback three times nobody cared

they kept going on with whatever conversation

Unrelated String

> 2015

wow

user

Honestly our culture needs to change, this room stars all the wrong stuff (me included)

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pxeger

@pxeger So I think they should be used for marking interesting points of interesting conversations for the transcript

Especially, avoid starring too many things that are about the same topic

ophact

@PyGamer0 pin?

user

3:21 PM

+1 to pxeger

pxeger

@user Which message are you +1ing?

PyGamer0

@user i dunno, i just star everything to make it yellow, because stars are yellow [citation needed], and not black [citation needed]

user

A part of the problem is that because of the nature of cgcc and other stuff, most of us are pretty immature

Radvylf Programs

My opinions on the starboard is that actually funny jokes can go there, because humor is a part of TNB/CGCC culture IMO. But using it for actually useful stuff more often might be a good idea.

ophact

My observations are that stupidity of message correlates with number of stars... no offense to users who have a lot of starred messages.

user

3:25 PM

Also, once a funny joke has >3 stars, there’s no need to add your star to it

Seggan

@ophact hmm... i just got the outspoken badge

user

The more stars, the longer that joke (which may not be funny out of context) remains on the starboard

Radvylf Programs

I don't think TNB needs to be entirely on-topic, we're not robots. But something more like a 2:1 on-vs-off-topic ratio is the minimum it should be.

And right now it's more like 1:4

user

@ophact i mean, some genuinely on topic messages are started, like when bubbler announced tib

Seggan

are we having another offtopic convo right now

ophact

3:26 PM

@user true, but those are the exception rather than the rule

Radvylf Programs

No, a very on-topic one about TNB itself

user

This is meta and on topic

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms +1

Radvylf Programs

My definition of on-topic isn't particularly strict. As long as it's programming, math, or SE related, it usually connects closely enough with the site to be perfectly fine.

ophact

math?

PyGamer0

3:27 PM

now if we are deciding to make a new room for off-topic: CMP: What should its name be?

user

As long as there’s a point to the discussion it’s fine imo

PyGamer0

@ophact why not math?

math is literally everywhere

ophact

is it really that connected to the site

Romanp

@PyGamer0 The Byteteenth Night was suggested earlier

user

@ophact lots of overlap with cs

Radvylf Programs

3:28 PM

@RadvylfPrograms And things like linguistics or politics can occasionally be fine too (though clearly off-topic), since most of us are somewhat interested in those things from what I can tell

ophact

what about math that is not related to cs

PyGamer0

@ophact citation

Radvylf Programs

@ophact I think it's fine honestly. It's thoughtful, productive discussion, about a topic useful for our site's purpose.

user

@RadvylfPrograms yeah, those discussions also have a point and are serious even if they include jokes and stuff

ophact

@RadvylfPrograms fair enough I guess

user

3:29 PM

Although political stuff can get heated and needs to be regulated too

Different problem tho

Radvylf Programs

Yeah. Most of our political stuff seems to be more theoretical though, I've never seen it devolve into heated arguments.

user

It’s discussions about which flavor of ice cream is best and stuff that are not needed

@RadvylfPrograms that’s a nice thing about tnb, almost never gets heated

Radvylf Programs

I've noticed people here tend to try to understand each other's arguments, which is like the only thing you need to do to keep an argument from becoming heated IMO

Since, at least for me, I only get mad when I feel like what I'm saying is being ignored or unfairly turned against me

user

We should also update the guidelines

ophact

> Don't use The Nineteenth Byte as a dumping ground for your thoughts or actions. Consider whether a topic would be relevant to others before talking about it. We're here to have discussions, not to listen to someone's stream of consciousness.

user

3:32 PM

Maybe advise not drowning out people’s questions with other stuff

Radvylf Programs

@ophact I'm particularly bad about this :/

ophact

I have seen a few users violate that one a few times recently

no names

pxeger

@ophact Is it ok to tell people off for violating that?

Radvylf Programs

It's part of why I think an off-topic room would be nice. Sometimes I feel like sharing something mildly funny or interesting but very off-topic

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger Yes, and please do

ophact

3:33 PM

@pxeger I would say so

pxeger

Because occasionally I've typed out a message along the lines of "this is a chat room, not a stream of consciousness", then felt bad about it, and not sent it

caird coinheringaahing

I generally hold back if it can prompt a conversation, but if people are just posting random noise, I will speak up and ask them to stop

Radvylf Programs

If it's a new user I'd be careful about wording it well and linking to the chatiquette, since you don't want them to feel like TNB's unwelcoming or they've done something really wrong. But if it's like, me or another user that's been here for a while, absolutely yell at us to be quiet :p

pxeger

I'd like to mention Adám as a generally good enforcer of noise-reduction

caird coinheringaahing

Because this room is open for general discussion. But, that means that it should be discussion, not just what people are thinking right this moment

Radvylf Programs

3:35 PM

Best of 2022 category suggestion: Most on-topic in TNB :p

pxeger

> mmm... I want a doughnut ...

ophact

A good example of unnecessary noise that has taken place recently, of which I have been very guilty, is the chains of "nice" messages

good as in an example that illustrates the high levels of disruption

caird coinheringaahing

As an aside, I do want to say that TNB is actually a lot better now than it was back in 2015, that was complete chaos

pxeger

@ophact That kind of thing which is particularly bad normally gets stopped quite quickly

Romanp

And in reality, the AI stuff from earlier was hilarious, but probably could have been moved to the AI room earlier.

pxeger

3:36 PM

But it's the kind of thing where somebody just posts the code they're working on with updates every 10 minutes, but nobody cares

That's the kind of noise I'm most concerned about

ophact

@cairdcoinheringaahing was that the reason why Doorknob posted the now-famous message?

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString for what its worth, I do clear 1 or 2 star messages from time to time if I don't think they should be on the starboard

Unrelated String

good

pxeger

Maybe it would be worth having even more ROs, so that there's more than merely about one available at a time

caird coinheringaahing

I think of the starboard as our first impression for any new users, if there's stuff on there that doesn't reflect well on the room, I will remove it

But that doesn't really happen that often

pxeger

3:38 PM

@lyxal This is a terrible idea

It will just mean people trying to post on-topic stuff effectively have to "shout louder" (so, post more) to be heard

caird coinheringaahing

@pxeger I wouldn't be opposed to having a couple more ROs, it has been a year since we got appointed

pxeger

which creates more unnecessary noise

Radvylf Programs

We could add another, idk, two ROs maybe? Doesn't really hurt anything I guess

Ginger

I in particular am especially bad with posting off-topic messages and the like, so if you see me doing that don't hesitate to tell me to stop

ophact

first step towards improving the situation might be to turn off the feature that maximizes xkcds?

if that is possible

Radvylf Programs

3:41 PM

No way to turn it off, no

Bgil Midol

@ophact or maybe make it smaller

pxeger

@ophact I don't think it is possible, and I don't think that's really the problem

Unrelated String

-^

ophact

I think it is mentioned in the guidelines

Unrelated String

it's not even remotely the problem

pxeger

3:42 PM

We also can't "turn off" the feature that "allows" people to post noise

Radvylf Programs

Yeah, xkcd discussion is a pretty small percentage of our off-topic discussion, and xkcds are close enough to TNB/CGCC that occasional discussion of it is fine IMO

pxeger

abusing oneboxes is just another kind of noise that people should be told not to do, not forced

Ginger

just unplug the Spam Machine /s

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger Well, if we could disable it, better to do that than not

Who knows if it would just create another not-as-easy to solve problem in its place though

Ginger

Mar 9 at 19:37, by Radvylf Programs

This isn't just a discord server with Code Golf in the name. A little off topic fun is fine, but it can get over the top pretty easily.

^ that is good to keep in mind

Radvylf Programs

3:50 PM

I think I traded places with user because now I don't really want a room for off-topic discussions lol

Because most of the stuff that shouldn't be moved to its own room isn't really useful for thoughtful enough to justify not just being put in the bakery.

And we don't really need a room for streams of consciousness or mildly funny screenshots, we can just...not post those things in the first place.

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PyGamer0

@ophact i think i may have violAted that

caird coinheringaahing

4:04 PM

@RadvylfPrograms I tried to add a Jelly keyboard to my phone given how often I golf from my phone, but it got way more complicated than I first thought :P

Radvylf Programs

Did you have to try to make one yourself, or was there like an international layout that had most of the Jelly chars?

caird coinheringaahing

I had to try to make it from scratch

pxeger

Have you tried play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kl.ime.oh&hl=en? It looks like it might do what you want

graffe

I don't really understand python classes... what does this do inside a class?

def __init__(self, state, distance_matrix):
    self.distance_matrix = distance_matrix
    super(TravellingSalesmanProblem, self).__init__(state)  # important!

I really mean the super line

pxeger

what's the class ...: line?

graffe

4:19 PM

class TravellingSalesmanProblem(Annealer):

Bgil Midol

ok so

TravellingSalesmanProblem inherits Annealer (copies attributes and methods)

ophact

@graffe initializes the parent class with state

I think?

Bgil Midol

but it has a new attribute distance_matrix

pxeger

super(A, self).__init__(...) is equivalent to <whatever the base class of A is>.__init__(...)

so it calls the init method of the parent class

graffe

the full code is github.com/perrygeo/simanneal/blob/master/examples/salesman.py

ophact

4:20 PM

@ophact been a while since I used inheritance, so correct me if I'm wrong

Bgil Midol

and copies over the __init__ of Annealer with state as the argument

Ginger

super() returns the parent class iirc

ophact

@BgilMidol it imports the attributes right?

Bgil Midol

yes

graffe

ok so Annealer comes from the module

Bgil Midol

4:21 PM

@ophact if import means copy

graffe

TravellingSalesmanProblem is going to be that class with the attribute distance_matrix added?

ophact

@BgilMidol that's what I meant

Bgil Midol

@graffe yeah

ophact

@graffe depending on what Annealer does

Bgil Midol

and possibly more methods

graffe

4:23 PM

ok cool.. I will carry on trying to understand the code

Radvylf Programs

4:44 PM

Made a Hello, World! submission in SPDT:

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A: "Hello, World!"

SPDT, 756 bytes p 0 r 0 0 1 2 r 1 0 2 3 r 4 0 2 3 r 3 0 2 5 r 5 0 2 6 r 6 0 2 7 r 7 0 2 8 r 8 0 2 9 r 9 0 2 10 r 10 0 2 11 r 11 0 2 12 r 12 0 2 13 r 13 0 2 14 r 14 0 2 15 r 15 0 2 4 r 5 0 2 16 r 8 0 2 16 r 11 0 2 16 r 12 0 2 16 r 4 0 2 16 r 8 0 2 17 r 11 0 2 17 r 12 0 2 17 r 13 0 2 17 r 5 0 2 18 ...

it's a bit of an unconventional output format, but it's an unconventional language :p

Wow, a feed actually posted something in a reasonable time frame?

Ginger

coincidence

pxeger

@Ginger it returns a proxy instance of the parent class

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→ 1 rolling pin moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

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5:22 PM

Dealing with timings in SPDT is hard...trying to make a basic 8-bit calculator

Bgil Midol

Feedback?

caird coinheringaahing

5:48 PM

ngl, it's taken me 2 months to realise why R's "generate random numbers" function is called runif: it isn't "run if", it's "r unif", as in "random uniform" ಠ_ಠ

Bgil Midol

^

Romanp

Actually, "run if" could make sense if it generated booleans, I guess?

graffe

@cairdcoinheringaahing :) that would have got me too!

caird coinheringaahing

Nah, runif(x) generates x random numbers from a U(0, 1) sample

graffe

ngl?

caird coinheringaahing

5:49 PM

"not gonna lie"

graffe

got you

you are brave coding in R

caird coinheringaahing

My stats unit requires it, I'm not doing it by choice :P

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Wheat Wizard

Do you mean SPQR?

caird coinheringaahing

For the statistician building a website where you can do statistical analysis on random databases

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5:56 PM

@WheatWizard No, it's just a recursive acronym :p

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms Isn't this just excel :P

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@RadvylfPrograms Depending on who you ask

graffe

@cairdcoinheringaahing :) I am told it is fine as long as you forget everything you thought you knew about programming and are happy to be beaten by a snail

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I read that like "beaten up by a snail"

graffe

:)

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5:57 PM

Which would be unpleasant I'd imaginw

graffe

I don't think it is that bad

caird coinheringaahing

The fact that it doesn't have += syntax is endlessly frustrating to me

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms slimy and humiliating

Romanp

@graffe that goop gets everywhere

graffe

@Romanp yep!

Romanp

5:57 PM

and is impossible to get off of clothes

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wait does r actually not have augmented assignment

caird coinheringaahing

Nope

graffe

@cairdcoinheringaahing I played with julia once. Their string concatenation using * is very odd

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Slugs actually use their slime for self-defense, by coating other bugs' stabby and crunchy parts with it

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maybe tidyverse or whatever that thing is called has it

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5:58 PM

@graffe Ooh that sounds weird

graffe

@RadvylfPrograms they passionately defend it

from a pure maths point of view

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@graffe after staring this answer down long enough to figure out why it does that operator assignment it makes a bit more sense when you realize that you can multiply things by juxtaposition

caird coinheringaahing

@UnrelatedString I have to code a sum over a list thing (aka, sum of f(i) for some complicated f) and have total = total + summand * (2*i - 1) / n (where summand is a super long expression ಠ_ಠ

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is there also no reduce function

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