The Nineteenth Byte

5:13 PM

Ah forgot about this

Ladies and gentlemen

Neil

@RadvylfPrograms ITYM querySelectorAll

I'm about to present

Unrelated String

lmao

The results of the Most Epic Poll™

Is Ginger a time traveler?

Answer: YES

3 people votes yes

and 1 person won't get candy

@GingerIndustries democracy says you're a time traveler

PyGamer0

5:27 PM

@mathcat did you complete my quiz?

I am Stuck

> In 2014, it was reported that the Los Angeles Unified School District and the San Diego Unified School District acquired MRAPs for the school police

Why. The. Frick. Does a school need a mine-resistant ambush vehicle

pxeger

Cause the army was reselling them for cheap?

PyGamer0

lmao

Nope, they're distributed free of charge

But still, there is zero reason a school district should have military weaponry

What next, mounting machine gun turrets on elementary schools?

Usually drug enforcement is used to justify acquiring these, but I don't think much drug enforcement in schools requires resistance to improvised explosives

> The Los Angeles School Police Department has also received excess military equipment, including 61 assault rifles, three grenade launchers, and an MRAP vehicle.

Grenade launchers?!

What kind of situation involving schools could be properly handled using grenade launchers?

6:08 PM

i am trying to type all the even roman numerals from 2 to 100 in one miinute

i have gotten to XCVI twice

pain

@mathcat i say we vote to throw the whole poll out and start again

okay

strawpoll.com/polls/XmZRjkLzLZd

here

@RadvylfPrograms yeetely-deetus, children deletus

New poll

i got XCVIII now

@mathcat i pick unfunny

6:16 PM

since when have I been known as Catman™

and who trademarked that

oh wait, I did

I wanted it to sound professional

well thanks for using your time machine to shoot me in the foot past Ginger /s

o.0

*takes a screenshot*

do you see

do you see the sarcasm closing tag

@GingerIndustries I thought it meant "Gingers"

6:18 PM

oh syt

I thought I had proof

@allxy o/, btw every vote is important to us

finally beat this

in 55 seconds

@mathcat 2-2

yeah :(

6:39 PM

@mathcat no dupes

no

there's in ip-adress dupe check or something like that

yeah! it's 3:2 now

do not underestimate me

@lyxal @RadvylfPrograms we need your assistance

you have forced my hand

With what

Wordle 263 3/6

⬛🟩🟩⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟨⬛⬛
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

vote no on this

6:53 PM

wait what

no

don't

we need your help destroying the enemy

I'll

give you

err

they'll do nothing

vote np

*no

@mathcat 50 brownie points

i'll give you 51

if you vote no

6:54 PM

and I'll *deep breath* @lyxal sorry I have to do this

@user Internet explorer is a programmer's worst enemy

Reduce the taxes by 0.01 percent

@emanresuA true

@mathcat i will reduce them by 0.011%

you can't

anything you can do, i can do better

6:55 PM

you aren't in the govermet™

WHY IS IT 4-2

wooh thanks anom.

alright i'm going to win this by force

haha

counter this

4-3

wat

how

was that you???

but there is a IP-dupe-check

@SegFaultPlus4 first time trying i got to XXXVIII

was so close to XL

7:01 PM

i dare you to do a sub 13:30 run of this

@Seggan think i got LXish on my first go

@mathcat I have outsourced the work

Enjoy

@SegFaultPlus4 I've discovered a way to waste my time.

jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/139806/…

i missed greenland somehow 😂

heyyyy

deploy worked

o/

@GingerIndustries nice

7:14 PM

@emanresuA o/

\o

wait bye/hi?

one sec

There seems to be some confusion about how and when to use o/ and \o. Therefore, I've decided to make it more clear.
\o: Goodbye (when you're leaving)
o/: Goodbye (when someone else is leaving) or hello (when either you or someone else has joined)

3

@mathcat there you go

nice

@mathcat do you think you are funny

no

why?

7:19 PM

do you think that your VPN tricks are funny

I don't use a VPN

this means war

I am owner of the poll

look at that!

voting is closed!

results:

strawpoll.com/polls/e6Z2eb7PwgN/results

I see how this goes

if you want to play, then let's play

I'll be back, and next time I'm making the poll

hm sus amugus

...wait

this gives me an idea

hold please

7:25 PM

strawpoll.com/polls/NoZrL1DR3n3

here's a poll

go vote on it

It appears the consensus is unianimous

@SegFaultPlus4 i didn't vote

looks like we're starting from scratch

@GingerIndustries lol

@BgilMidol there is no abstain, it is either yes, or no

7:34 PM

@SegFaultPlus4 both are yes

@GingerIndustries lol

@BgilMidol wdym

???

I think we need to kind of calm down on the off-topic nonsense, okay?

sorry mr radvylf

I don't think there's been conversation here relevant to CGCC all day

People's requests for sandbox feedback and discussion of CMCs are being buried by irrelevant stuff

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

7:37 PM

@RadvylfPrograms speaking of which

1

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ Thanks to emanresu A for suggesting this. The challenge is simple: Given a number \$n\ge 1\$ , output that generation of ಠ_ಠ faces, where each generation is two of the previous one joined by an underscore. Examples: In: 1 Out: ಠ_ಠ In: 2 Out: ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ In: 5 Out: ಠ_ಠ_...

@BgilMidol fake

This isn't just a discord server with Code Golf in the name. A little off topic fun is fine, but it can get over the top pretty easily.

13

ok fair enough

And I know I'm partially responsible for that, but this room's primary purpose is for the discussion of CGCC, and we need to be careful not to let other stuff get too much in the way.

let's all just agree @GingerIndustries is not a time traveler and get back on topic

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

7:39 PM

2 mins ago, by Ginger Industries

1

ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ Thanks to emanresu A for suggesting this. The challenge is simple: Given a number \$n\ge 1\$ , output that generation of ಠ_ಠ faces, where each generation is two of the previous one joined by an underscore. Examples: In: 1 Out: ಠ_ಠ In: 2 Out: ಠ_ಠ_ಠ_ಠ In: 5 Out: ಠ_ಠ_...

so now

7:58 PM

Let's talk about golfing

CMC: Swap 0 with 1 and 1 with 0

Pip, 2 bytes: !a

Python, 19 bytes, exit([1,0][input()])

(I counted that by hand)

BitCycle, 5 bytes:

 !
?~

@BgilMidol Why not 1-input()?

oh right

(Also that only works for Python 2)

8:01 PM

(I know.)

(nice)

wrong chatroom I think :P

oops

Python, 12 bytes: lambda x:1-x

\o

o/

8:03 PM

o/

JavaScript, 6 bytes: x=>1-x

Vyxal, 2 bytes: 1-

tinylisp, 12 bytes: (q((N)(s 1 N

Retina, 1 byte: 0

@DLosc how does that even work?

"Count the number of 0s in the input" :D

Acc!!, 10 bytes: Write 97-N

///, 13 bytes: /_0/1//_1/0/_

@DLosc nice

wait why am I still here

@mathcat wat

Noxan, 3 bytes: -1Ŋ

(Basically 1 - int(input()))

8:30 PM

HBL, 1.5 bytes: -1. or '?.

or 10.

(respectively "subtract argument from 1," "argument is zero," and "0 to the power of argument")

Noxan, 3 bytes: ⁱ0Ŋ

0**int(input())

Fmbalbuena

A lot of blue and yellow...

Risky, 1.5 bytes: 1-? or 0:? or 02? (same explanations as the HBL solutions); also 1{? "compare 1 with input" and 11? "distance between 1 and input"

@mathcat Etch, 22 bytes: :out:abs:int:get;;-1;;

Unpublished version of Exceptionally, 5 bytes: GIDFP (get input, convert to int, decrement, flip sign, print; execution loops back to the beginning but instantly errors because there isn't a second line of input)

allxy

8:59 PM

@BgilMidol ⌐ nerd

Q: Reveal all clues of Black Box

@allxy don't shoot nerds!

Fmbalbuena

Any feedback? (Final)

Hmmmm...

There is no dupes.

allxy

Actually ¬ works as well

New Posts

9:15 PM

0

Black Box is a board game, Your task is to reveal all clues. What is black box Black box is a board game with hidden atoms, Your task is given input, All atoms, reveal all clues. I/O Input The atoms can be any 1-char that is not newline (Used for separator) Like this. O.... ...O. ..O.. ..... .......

caird coinheringaahing

@RadvylfPrograms Pinned this, cause I think it's good for this reminder to stick around for a while - off-topic convos have gotten a lot more common recently

Unrelated String

10:06 PM

and a lot more off topic

10:17 PM

hey guess what

you can now install etch from pip to use on your own system!

Any feedback?

I also made a handy-dandy REPL for you to use

just type pip3 install etchlang[repl] to install the lang and the repl, all in one go

and then type etch to start the REPL

(that command also runs files, for more info type etch -h)

@RadvylfPrograms I will be sure to stay on topic more from now on.

10:43 PM

@RadvylfPrograms lol

I need to make a logo for Etch.

radvylf@penguin:~$ pip3 install etchlang[repl]
Collecting etchlang[repl]
  Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement etchlang[repl] (from versions: )
No matching distribution found for etchlang[repl]

hm

it works for me

try installing them seperately

Here's my uname -a if it helps:

> Linux penguin 5.4.163-17384-g99ca1c60d20c #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Feb 14 18:55:20 PST 2022 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Is it specific to a certain distro or something?

shouldn't be

lemme make sure

doesn't look like it

10:49 PM

A pip package shouldn't be specific to an OS?

@user it can be

but etch shouldn't

Well even if a package is meant for, say, Windows, you should still be able to download it on Linux, right? It just won't run

Oh, does it require a specific Python version maybe?

I'm on 3.7.3

I built it on Python 3.8

oh yup

that would be it

it's configured to only work on 3.8

tbh it shouldn't be

one sec

okay, done

@RadvylfPrograms try again

I take it it worked?

also:

Feb 23 at 14:29, by Radvylf Programs

I'll get you the 1.18 en_US tonight if you remind me

11:11 PM

@mathcat I trust you did it having considered any consequences

So it's fine

Neil

@SegFaultPlus4 visit the online codeword solver and type in 9 .s, this forces it to show you all 9 letter words with no repeating letters

@GingerIndustries even more clear: just don't use either

I want to use them

so I will

Minor news: Python 3.11 will have native TOML parsing support

which is nice

11:26 PM

You would think that seeing as how TOML files are used to package vyxal and other esolangs here, I'd actually understand how to use it

But I don't

Which is kinda funny

TOML was literally made by Tom to be Obvious, how can you not get it?

I mean it's readable but I haven't the slightest how to write it

Because I'm one of those YAML kids

JSON = best cross-lang text storage format

if you want binary, I'd vote Msgpack

@GingerIndustries when will python have yaml tho

@GingerIndustries as a library or built in?

STL lib

11:38 PM

@lyxal I know you can look this up yourself but it really seems to be quite simple

> Strong types are generally considered a disadvantage in configuration formats[citation needed].

(WP)

Depending on how it's implemented, I don't think strong typing would be too bad

@lyxal noyaml.com

the Norway problem especially

lol

YAML can get annoying but it's pretty manageable even with all those issues

its hard to parse tho as well

i wrote a json parser in Java using only 160 lines

11:42 PM

I really like that you can refer to previous key-value pairs and put in comments and multiline strings and stuff

@Seggan JSON is nice despite how minimal it is, but it is minimal after all

I respect gradle for making build scripts in Groovy/Kotlin. Code is the best way for non-simple config imo

I'm currently working on some code that used to use YAML to deserialize Java objects. Would've been a huge pain to do it in JSON without aliases and comments

@Seggan +1

Honestly, someone needs to make a markup language that supports complex numbers and precise fractions

I'd use that

Only problem is that static analysis becomes harder, but honestly, you're probably using a snazzy IDE with a plugin for that anyway

YAAML

Yet Another Another Markup Language

11:44 PM

YAML Ain't Markup Language

+1

@Seggan That was the original acronym, but they changed it to the Ain't backronym instead

@lyxal At that point you might as well make an embedded DSL in a real programming language

@user It only has 1 "Another" thats why i put 2

@user looks at groovy and gradle

Oh, didn't see the extra Another

@Seggan Exactly, Gradle is so nice

Maven is crap

And now Gradle even allows build.kts, although the support for that seems to be kinda eh

:60612033 jar {
    from("extrafiles") {
        include "**.resource"
    }
}

id much prefer that over any other alternative

+ the ability to add code directly into the config

11:48 PM

@user I think most people would, but this << becomes a problem

<<?

The message of mine that I replied to

ah

The more limited your config file format, the easier it is to parse and detect errors/warnings

ye

i tried parsing JSON5 before i gave up and switched to normal JSON

11:50 PM

Not that rerunning those build files is a huge problem

@Seggan What about it made it so hard?

it has comments, single quoted strings, numbers like 1.6e-10, hex, Infinity and NaN, and a few other dataypes i dont care about parsing

Huh, those don't sound too bad

yeah, but it doubles the size of the parser. still minimal compared to yaml

besides, whos using json5?

JSON4's son, of course :P

@Seggan wait there's 5 of them now? Who tf keeps cloning Jason, and why do they never spell his name right?

11:56 PM

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the left arm never renders

smh it's not Jason, it's JSON (the SON of J)

@Seggan Your \ is interpreted as escaping _

I can much English and code today

@user ah