The Nineteenth Byte

Emmett R.

5:05 PM

So, when you have a complete rewrite of your answer, should you edit or just create a new answer?

Anonymous

Edit

ETHproductions

^ That's what I do

quintopia

5:18 PM

I saw vague discussion and thought "this sounds like Ticket to Ride" and lo and behold... Thanks @NewSandboxedPosts

So here's an idea: a language where the only variables you have access to are the number of levels deep you've currently recursed in a given function...

Nathan Merrill

so you have one variable accessible?

TimmyD

@quintopia Recursion-based stack?

Cyoce

How do I make it so copying and pasting from my div doesn't copy CSS?

Anonymous

@Cyoce ?

Cyoce

TimmyD

5:23 PM

@Cyoce The answer is obviously jQuery ;-)

Cyoce

ETHproductions

I knew I had seen a single char for 1/ back in my "support all the Unicodes" font creation days...

But most fonts don't support it :(

⅟

TimmyD

@ETHproductions Shows up for me. Default IE11 and Windows 8.1

ETHproductions

Yeah, me too

But not in the font I was using for something else

¹²³⁴⁵⁶⁷⁸⁹⁰⁄₉₈₇₆₅₄₃₂₁₀

Dangit, didn't work :(

I need to do something else anyway

J Atkin

5:42 PM

How close does this look to done?

undergroundmonorail

this answer got 4 upvotes since the last time i checked

Nov 12 '15 at 15:49, by undergroundmonorail

I'm glad brainfuck has a reputation for being way more difficult to use than it actually is so that when I answer easy challenges with it I get rep for free

quartata

in The 2nd Monitor, Nov 18 '15 at 18:46, by Zak

@pops you might want to report back to the relevant people at SE that, essentially, they have entirely lost the trust and faith of the CR community, and it's not even going to begin to come back until things that were promised are actually delivered.

Imagine how WE feel...

Anonymous

@quartata Yeah man I hate it when people use my Seriously programs without attribution /s

quartata

?

@Doorknob Relevant:

Anonymous

This issue needs to get resolved asap because there has been way too much copying of my poorly-golfed code without attribution /s

quartata

5:53 PM

I appear to be missing part of this discussion.

Anonymous

I'm saying the license issues aren't as much of an issue for PPCG as they are for CR because no sane person would ever use PPCG code in production code

quartata

Oh, I wasn't talking about licenses.

Anonymous

Except for maybe fastest-code stuff, but that's usually not all that original

quartata

That quote was from the CR people complaining about not graduating

Anonymous

Oh I didn't look at the timestamp

quartata

5:54 PM

My point is "Imagine how WE feel." We didn't even have our graduation announced yet

Anonymous

I just thought it was CR people complaining about the fustercluck that is the license change stuff

quartata

Ah.

Yeah, I'm not worried about that.

Anonymous

We've been status-ignored for a while

Anonymous

We're like chat

quartata

Or as they like to put it status-deferred

Anonymous

5:55 PM

Same thing

Anonymous

status-procrastinating

quartata

status-we-dont-give-a-shit

Anonymous

status-who

quartata

SE

Someday StackExchange will care about us

Maybe

Anonymous

quartata

5:57 PM

I bet we could get Will to actually use that as his avatar

Doorknob

7.9 questions a day means you all are getting close. I'm guessing (at this rate) you'll get an election later in the year and a design sometime later. Not much else to say, really. — Jon Ericson ♦ 14 hours ago

You folks saw this, right?

quartata

Wait, what?

Anonymous

News2me

quartata

wtf

Anonymous

That's bullshit

quartata

5:58 PM

after 2 years of silence this is their casual response

"Ah yeah you guys are close it's not a big deal"

> Not much else to say, really.

Well I guess this is something

4

Anonymous

"You guys are close to this metric that we have previously pointed out doesn't really mean anything"

zyabin101

@Mego You're all wrong! Moderator tags are [meta-tag:status-open] == status-open!

Anonymous

@zyabin101 There's a difference between a meta tag and a main tag, but it has nothing to do with moderators.

Anonymous

(except that some meta tags can only be applied by moderators, like featured)

quartata

I'm just too damn lazy to type the [meta-tag]

Anonymous

6:01 PM

^

Anonymous

Making it a meta tag doesn't add anything to it, so it's not worth the 5 extra bytes

Anonymous

Main tags are golfier

ETHproductions

We're up to 8.0 questions a day! \o/

2

quartata

@ETHproductions There was a good month where we were at 8.5

We went down over the holidays though I think

Anonymous

I wish Jon had answered, rather than commented, so the question would've been bumped and the response more noticeable

8

ETHproductions

6:03 PM

@quartata Yeah, the only time when codegolf users actually spend more time with people IRL than online

Martin Büttner

@ETHproductions No, the only time when PPCG users aren't regularly at work.

Anonymous

@MartinBüttner Same thing

Martin Büttner

Right, the two are clearly correlated, but I got the causation right :P

quartata

being sick sucks

ETHproductions

@MartinBüttner Well, either doing "work" or "homework", since many of us are students

Anonymous

6:06 PM

And then there's me, unhappily in the middle

quintopia

@NathanMerrill no. you can recurse five levels in function a, and from there 6 levels in function b, and from there have access to the numbers 5 and 6

Anonymous

Sounds unusable; make it

ETHproductions

I think I'm going to try to get to 10k rep before we graduate

Anonymous

Same

Emmett R.

Woohoo! Submitted my first golf, and I think it's pretty good now. :)

Anonymous

6:10 PM

Should have plenty of time

Anonymous

Considering I got 5k in 3 months :P

ETHproductions

If I get 1k a month, I'll be done by the middle of April, which is waaaay before November 1st

Anonymous

1k a month is doable

ETHproductions

That's.... roughly 33 a day

Anonymous

If you're Dennis or Martin, you can get 5k before the end of January :P

ETHproductions

6:12 PM

I think I could be at 10k by the beginning of March if I really tried

Anonymous

If I ever bothered to work on Seriously more, I could rake in the rep

ETHproductions

Oh, I'll aim for 10k or #50

Anonymous

The key is posting questions

ETHproductions

Eh, #50's only 850 rep ahead of me, that won't be hard at all

Anonymous

Unless you can reliably FGITW answers

ETHproductions

6:15 PM

Yeah, I need to sandbox this one challenge I've been meaning to sandbox for a month now :P

Anonymous

I just need to think of more :P

undergroundmonorail

i need to take some of my posts out of the sandbox haha

ETHproductions

We're currently at 37 10k'ers. How many do you think we'll have by the time we graduate?

undergroundmonorail

@ETHproductions six

Anonymous

We're gonna lose 10ks?

Sherlock9

6:16 PM

Hey @MartinBüttner did you find any way to golf my Sierpinski answer?

Martin Büttner

no, sorry, haven't looked properly :/

undergroundmonorail

@Mego they're going to go on heavy downvoting sprees

Sherlock9

No prob

J Atkin

^^ Why?

ETHproductions

Yeah, how will that help us graduate?

Sherlock9

6:17 PM

Let's see, if I got almost 2k in 2 months... I should have 10k in September

undergroundmonorail

i don't know i'm jk

Martin Büttner

@EmmettR. Welcome to Code Golf! :)

J Atkin

Oh

DanTheMan

@undergroundmonorail You get a downvote, you get a downvote, everybody gets a downvote!

quintopia

@Mego Did you hear my plea?

zyabin101

6:18 PM

@DanTheMan WutFace

DanTheMan

Look at the message I was replying to

Sherlock9

I have finally made a Piet answer for my Josephus question. Only took me several hours off and on over a year

J Atkin

Follow up idea for this question: Make a YYYLint program that does static analysis and syntax checking.

Sherlock9

I do want to golf it some more, though. It's pretty bloated as is

Martin Büttner

@Sherlock9 already posted?

quartata

6:21 PM

in :chat!, 27 mins ago, by Seth

Anonymous

@quintopia I added shuffle after seeing that question and realizing how much it is needed, but I haven't pushed it yet because I'm testing other stuff with it

ETHproductions

Hey, there's a new beta site about 3D printing

Sherlock9

@MartinBüttner Not yet, but I'll post it in a few minutes. Also, I probably could do it with less stack manipulation than I needed but I doubt it.

ETHproductions

Wait, if it's only been in beta for 2 days, how did someone get 700+ rep?

Is there no rep cap on private beta sites?

Martin Büttner

I think there is

quintopia

6:23 PM

@quartata Is "web designer" a standard euphemism for "non-coder" now?

Martin Büttner

@ETHproductions why wouldn't there be a rep cap?

oh

your message

accepted answers

ETHproductions

Ah

Martin Büttner

and 2 days could span 3 UTC days

ETHproductions

3dprinting.stackexchange.com/users/26/…

That page explains it

Optimizer

@quintopia "designer" were never supposed to be coders

ETHproductions

6:24 PM

This "2 days" actually spans 4 UTC days, including today

Martin Büttner

indeed

DanTheMan

Wow

Optimizer

recursively, those 4 UTC days span 8 days

quintopia

@Optimizer yes, but there are lots of other people who were never supposed to be coders too. I was wondering if "web designer" is supposed to encompass them all for programmer joke purposes

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner @MartinBüttner is our best user, @Dennis is one place behind him, and Doorknob is the remaining moderator. He hates random pings. (Say this to Emmett.)

DanTheMan

6:25 PM

@Optimizer Or it might just be 8

undergroundmonorail

@zyabin101 rude

zyabin101

@undergroundmonorail XO

undergroundmonorail

i actually misread your message and thought you pinged doorknob to be a jerk

my mistake

Martin Büttner

I thought you were referring to the fact that zyabin omitted Alex entirely

7

Optimizer

Who is Alex??

Martin Büttner

6:27 PM

(or gnibbler for that matter)

ETHproductions

1st day: 150 + assoc bonus
2nd day: 200 + 2 * accepted answer
3rd day: 200 - one downvote
today: 83 + accepted answer

"27 questions per day" LOL

Optimizer

tomorrow : mass rep reduction due to mass upvote detection

Sherlock9

@EmmettR. @MartinBüttner is our best user, @Dennis is one place behind him, and Doorknob is the remaining moderator. He hates random pings. And @AlexA. is another mod here, who has a (probably undeserved) reputation of being wrong

Martin Büttner

not sure that's any less rude, but okay...

Sherlock9

Well, how would you put it?

zyabin101

6:29 PM

@ETHproductions You have 37 rep to do today.

Sherlock9

Is that better?

ETHproductions

@zyabin101 That's the leading user on 3D Printing, not me.

Anonymous

Better idea: stop pinging people unless you want to get their attention

Martin Büttner

^

Anonymous

@ETHproductions ಠ_ಠ

ETHproductions

6:31 PM

I got your attention ;)

But OK, I'll stop now.

Sherlock9

@MartinBüttner Ah, apologies. I should have removed the @ s

zyabin101

@Mego This message is removed, who to answer now? :/

Sherlock9

Martin, here is my Piet answer: codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/69481/47581

Martin Büttner

just saw it... will upvote once there's an explanation :P

Sherlock9

... Help

Well, it's only 0137 here. I can probably spend another half an hour writing an explanation

Anonymous

6:38 PM

Python why

Anonymous

Every time I think I understand you, you baffle me further

Anonymous

map(lambda*x:foo(x[1])*x[0],enumerate(w)) :/

zyabin101

@ETHproductions WELP! I did not even follow the 3D Printing site project. :(

Anonymous

It's throwing an index error :/

ETHproductions

@zyabin101 I didn't even realize it existed :(

zyabin101

6:40 PM

@ETHproductions The project is here. Did you follow it?

ETHproductions

@zyabin101 I mean, I didn't know about it until half an hour ago when I visited area51. I can't follow it now since it's in private beta, although I suppose I could join...

zyabin101

@ETHproductions You can't. You must have commited to the project, but to do so, you must have followed the project. But don't worry! Public beta will start in at least 28 days.

DanTheMan

I'm on it (even though I have never done any 3D printing)

Martin Büttner

@zyabin101 that is no longer true

anyone can join any private beta

ETHproductions

@zyabin101 ~~Oh, bummer :(~~ I tried a little 3D printing at one point, but I'm not really interested in it right now.

Martin Büttner

6:44 PM

just follow the Visit! link on the area51 page

ETHproductions

@MartinBüttner I thought that worked, and it looks like it does... I'm not gonna try it though

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner Only everyone who followed and committed to the proposal can participate. I don't think so.

Martin Büttner

@zyabin101 Did you actually try?

Because I have an account there, and I didn't follow the proposal (and I've done it several times in the past)

ETHproductions

3dprinting.stackexchange.com/users/join?ssrc=beta

Sherlock9

@Mego From what?

zyabin101

6:47 PM

@ETHproductions

To log in, you must have commited to the Area 51 site proposal and received the invitation email. Click the invitation link in the email to log in!

;(

ETHproductions

Oh... well then...

zyabin101

I don't even say about the footnote!

Martin Büttner

@zyabin101 Will you please just try instead of quoting outdated texts from the site.

undergroundmonorail

i'm getting it too

i know it's possible but i forget how

Optimizer

hmm, there should have been a labor of love for answer too

Martin Büttner

6:48 PM

@undergroundmonorail did you get there from the Visit! link?

ETHproductions

I can actually visit the site, though...

undergroundmonorail

no i got there from 3dprinting.stackexchange.com

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer that's above and beyond, I guess

@undergroundmonorail yeah that doesn't work

undergroundmonorail

ohh

Martin Büttner

3 mins ago, by Martin Büttner

just follow the Visit! link on the area51 page

undergroundmonorail

6:49 PM

i missed that

ty

Optimizer

@MartinBüttner not really. above and beyond focuses on best.. so it would be for the best answer. labour of love focuses on the amount of effort gone into the post

ETHproductions

I'm gonna leave you guys to figure it out and go get some lunch

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer above and beyond implies a lot of effort though and I think all answers that are nominated for it did take a lot of effort

the examples mentioned in the category description would also all take a lot of effort

Optimizer

ok, think of something in the terms of "evolution of hello world" where someone might have put a lot of effort to shape the answer in one direction

well, looks like my 2015 was pretty useless. no answer remotely qualifying for any category :D

Martin Büttner

might be because you stopped participating halfway through :P

Optimizer

7:00 PM

wouldn't have made any difference though :P

I barely participated in any really tough and challenging challenge

zyabin101

@MartinBüttner It's barely doing something. It should be a bug.

Emmett R.

7:18 PM

Sorry, random pings? I was just saying hello to the community for the first time. What constitutes a random ping?

dorothy

@ThomasKwa hi!

zyabin101

@EmmettR. see the next post

7 hours ago, by Doorknob

@zyabin101 Again, please stop cluttering my inbox by constantly, nonsensically pinging me for completely insignificant reasons.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Yup, that's how I knew there would be vines even though there wasn't quite enough space to see them in action.

Martin Büttner

@EmmettR. don't worry :)

Emmett R.

I didn't think I 'at-username'd anyone...

Joe Z.

7:21 PM

test battery puzzles are back, baby :P

Emmett R.

@MartinBüttner Thanks. :)

Joe Z.

also, I notice that all the questions on the test battery tag were written by me

does anyone else write questions like that?

Digital Trauma

wowzers the compiler bomb is now my all-time highest answer! Its rep-capped me for 4 consecutive days - I didn't expect this one to fly quite so high

Anonymous

Yay, I solved this one: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/69444/…

Anonymous

Now to golf it down

Sherlock9

7:27 PM

@MartinBüttner, I've added the explanation. It is long

quartata

How does the Community user decide whether or not to protect questions?

I seem some questions (like HW, the compiler bomb, primes) protected by it

TimmyD

@DigitalTrauma That's a deliciously evil answer. Have another +1

El'endia Starman

@quartata I think it comes from a bunch of not-an-answer or low-quality flags and/or deletions.

quartata

Ah.

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J Atkin

7:36 PM

@AlexA. I found the name! Functional-Basic

TimmyD

Perl. If it looks like complete gibberish, but it works, it's not gibberish.

Nathan Merrill

@PeterTaylor I'm confused about what you mean

are you talking that I'm not preventing brute-forcing?

flawr

Ramstein Air Disaster 1988

►

TimmyD

7:51 PM

@NathanMerrill You're going to need a pretty dang big and complex graph to prevent just straight-up brute force searching all possibilities. I worry that if it's too big, though, you're just going to get an answer from someone who got "lucky" with their solution.

Nathan Merrill

I plan on doing a 200-node graph, each with about 3 or 4 connections

Anonymous

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Anonymous

Half a kilobyte geez

Nathan Merrill

so, 2^350 would be pure brute force

that being said I don't see how too big will cause "lucky" solutions

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego nice job there

Nathan Merrill

7:56 PM

I'm giving out point values, so you could theoretically pick out the highest ones and find connections

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Also, I've figured out why there are so many new rep users posting high-quality questions

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Writing that code hurt my brain. And then I broke it while golfing it. And then I unbroke it and fixed something that I had missed before. And now I'm only liky 90% sure it works.

Nathan Merrill

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ hmmm?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego Ugh I hate that feeling.

@marsh In theory, yes. In reality, people are flawed. It'd be an interesting experiment to run, having a high-rep user create a new account to post a few challenges to gauge the difference in reception. — Geobits Jul 28 '15 at 19:10

It's all Geobits's idea

:P

ETHproductions

Huh

Nathan Merrill

7:59 PM

its not just Geobits's idea

it probably is him

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