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8:00 PM

his most recent activity was in December

he's been hiding so that he can sock effectively :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

:O

ILLUMICODINATI CONFIRMED

@NathanMerrill I was intending that if the search space is truly hugely complex, and someone uses a pretty naïve methodology, they could still find a local maxima (out of submissions posted) simply by virtue of luck, even if it's not the best solution overall

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

and for some reason, my browser thinks that's a word o_o

El'endia Starman

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It's in all caps.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That's a thing? o_O

8:02 PM

@zyabin101 ... ahem

5

he was right though

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I'm just waiting for the hammer to drop, for someone to point out that I messed up :P

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Mego throws hammer at ground PICK. IT. UP.

Anonymous

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I can't, I'm not worthy

El'endia Starman

But elevators are, right?

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:11 PM

@Mego You must. It is your destiny and fate.

@El'endiaStarman I had always head-canon'd that ~~MewMew~~ Mjolnir wasn't heavy, it just refused to move. That's why, for example, it didn't just grind Loki into a paste when placed on his chest, or why it doesn't rip the hook off the wall when hung.

@zyabin101 Please include me in the list of people you shouldn't randomly ping.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

bbyeeeee

Anonymous

@zyabin101 And me. And everybody, actually.

^

8:18 PM

@El'endiaStarman the wordings on the hammer are meant to hold only to living beings. So mechanical things can lift the hammer but they won't get the power of thor

Anonymous

Elevathor

also, laws of physics still apply on the hammer. so if it were outer space, anyone can lift the hammer

El'endia Starman

@TimmyD I was under the impression that that basically is the canon explanation. Hence why Vision can lift it and Captain America budges it.

@Optimizer So what would happen if Ultron tried?

Anonymous

@Optimizer Nope, the hammer stubbornly refuses to move from its location, defined either in reference to the planet/star/other celestial body whose surface it is on/near, or the CMB if it is in space

@El'endiaStarman he would be able to lift it and use it as a regular hammer with no additional powers

@Mego nope. read the comics

Anonymous

8:20 PM

I'm going off of MCU

penguins are anyways not needed in MCU

El'endia Starman

There should be a SciFi question on this.

Anonymous

And since there isn't a thorough canon explanation in MCU, I'm making up my own :P

@Mego Are you quitting cold turkey?

Anonymous

@AlexA. Cold penguin.

8:22 PM

quora.com/…

Anonymous

@Optimizer Not SE; not trustworthy /s

What does /s mean?

I don't really care if you find it either way

@Mego so I have some code for a new stack based language based on your seriously code...but it doesn't work. Could you please help me find the problem?

Seriously, it never works

El'endia Starman

8:23 PM

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Q: How does Mjolnir determine 'worth'?

Consistently across the Marvel version of Thor's various incarnations only the 'worthy' may lift Mjolnir, his enchanted hammer. The inscription reads, "Whosoever holds his hammer, be he worthy, shall posses the power of Thor." In the movie, of course, a large part of the story is centered upon ...

marvel-comics marvel-cinematic-universe mjolnir

@TanMath What language is the source code written in?

El'endia Starman

@AlexA. </sarcasm>

Anonymous

@TanMath I could, but I won't. I'm going to be on the road soon.

Ok...

@ETHproductions Python...

@El'endiaStarman Oh, good to know. Thanks :)

El'endia Starman

8:25 PM

:)

@TanMath I'd help, but I don't know much Python

Anonymous

@AlexA. I smell a missing /s here

I figured... You a more of a JavaScript person, yeah?

@Dennis I wasn't aware TIO could do this!?! \o/ \o/ \o/ matl.tryitonline.net/#code=NTpYRw&input=

^ THIS IS SO LEGIT

8:25 PM

@TanMath Yep

Adele Carpool Karaoke

El'endia Starman

@LuisMendo WOAH.

I saw that one...

it was neat...

looks like @Optimizer is an adele fan!

Why did Adele cross the road everybody?

not really, the video starts from a timestamp for a reason

@LuisMendo Though I suppose if that's a built-in Matlab/Octave thing to produce text graphics and it just prints to STDOUT, there'd be no reason TIO wouldn't support it.

8:27 PM

i like that mashup

TIO is bomb-diggity

Why did Adele cross the road?

@AlexA. I didn't know Octave could do that! I'm more of a Matlab guy

@TanMath To say hello from the other side

Hah

8:28 PM

Yay!

to avoid rolling in the deep?

'cause baby you're a firework?

oh wait

wrong universe

DC fan spotted!

@LuisMendo That's so cool! I don't think TIO is doing anything special here though.

@Optimizer I've never really been into comic books.

8:29 PM

But you are into Katy's fireworks?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I've just heard it.

o reallyy

just heard?

Yes?

just google image search "katy's fireworks"

oh that song?

like @AlexA. this is the first time you heard it?

8:31 PM

@Optimizer Suspicious cat is suspicious ...

Any time someone recommends I Google Images search something, I'm immediately skeptical.

Ninja'd

El'endia Starman

I only know that song because Peter Hollens did a cover of it with another a capella singer.

@TanMath No, I'm just saying I have heard it.

@Dennis But how does that happen? Maybe you're using a non-graphics version Octave that does that automatically onto stdout

8:32 PM

dropbox.com/s/v6oqmbst6nos03c/Untitled7.png?raw=1

@AlexA. but you never listened to the song?

@LuisMendo I don't know MATL. In Matlab, is the equivalent code producing a graph, not to STDOUT?

@ETHproductions ?

Anonymous

user image

@TanMath Well if I've heard it, that means I've listened to it

8:33 PM

@LuisMendo The server doesn't have a GUI, so the environment variable DISPLAY isn't set. I guess that makes Octave fall back to ASCII art.

lol

@AlexA. ok...

@AlexA. Yes, exactly. It creates a graphic figure

@Dennis o shit dawg

@Dennis That must be it

@Mego @quintopia is the star of that pic...

8:34 PM

@TanMath There was a weird glitch where one avatar was below all the others, and I could click on it all the way over to the side of the page

@LuisMendo This is bananas. TIO is cooler every time I see it.

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Speaking of TIO: slashes.tryitonline.net/…

@AlexA. I couldn't agree more

O SHIT LOOK AT ALL OF THESE LANGUAGES

Anonymous

I should probably make a TIO-compatible build of Seriously

8:35 PM

> My god, it's full of stars!

@Mego Do you have a userscript set up to do that any time a new image is posted? ;)

@Dennis What you said

in MATLAB and Octave on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by rayryeng

IIRC, if there is no supported graphics driver, Octave defaults to ASCII plots in the command-line.

Anonymous

But first, I should actually fix the big interpreter bug

Anonymous

@ETHproductions No, but I should

@Dennis I wonder if we could put Piet on TIO somehow

8:36 PM

spoonerise words is the best challenge that ever happened to me!

@TimmyD :-DD

@AlexA. no Seriously!

@AlexA. no Pyth!

1 min ago, by Mego

I should probably make a TIO-compatible build of Seriously

@Dennis all you need now is some marketing

Anonymous

@TanMath That's because the Seriously interpreter is horrifically broken right now

8:36 PM

it is not compatible?

@TanMath Pyth has its own online environment that works really well.

@Mego then how can I make sure the code I run is running correctly?

@AlexA. true...

If Mego makes releases on GitHub, you could just use the release version rather than the latest commit.

But if he doesn't make releases... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why would you commit a broken state?

Anonymous

@TanMath Run it locally

Anonymous

8:38 PM

@AlexA. I do make releases

2

A: Character-mode (shell) plots with Matlab / Octave?

In the case of Octave you should have no problem. I usually do my computations on remote machines over ssh, and use it all the time. As long as you have gnuplot as your graphics toolkit (for future reference, as of 3.6.2 this is still the default but may change to fltk in the future), you'll get...

@Mego that's stupid! now I cannot do Seriously on the go...

Anonymous

@feersum I didn't realize it broke some interpreter functions, and now I'm trying (and failing) to fix it

Anonymous

@TanMath Code your own IDE, then

@feersum When you don't realize it's broken until after it's commited, I would think.

8:40 PM

@feersum I can't speak for others, but I do it by mistake.

Ninja'd(ish)

Anonymous

Trying to run the IDE in a local environment is very different than running it on Heroku

how?

@Dennis I don't think I know anyone like that.

I used the interpreter for writing this answer:

Anonymous

8:41 PM

Localhost on a Windows machine is very different than a Linux VM on a dedicated webserver

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A: The pirate world's rules of distribution

Seriously, 23 bytes ,R`2(%`M;Σ:101:-(dXR(#+ Uses the same approach as my Python answer, but I do the modulo 2 using mapping, and several times, I rotate my stack. Explanation Push input (I will call it i), push range(1,i+1), make a function take pushes 2, rotates stack, and take modulo. Then...

and it was perfectly fine.

@Mego You know who loves localhost on Windows?

@phase

Anonymous

@TanMath Functions have a bug where the interpreter thinks they're hex instead of text, except for with maps for some reason

really?

then how come it worked for me?

Anonymous

8:44 PM

Seriously.

Anonymous

Because you used a map

@ETHproductions feersum == Black Hat confirmed?

@Dennis s/lack H/ig C/

@Mego oh...so it works for maps! i didn't get that...

I think I have a way to make a Piet IDE for TIO

I figured if I map the colors to ASCII, it would be easier to make images. While I was writing my Piet answer to Josephus, I used a Python script to convert the following to a PNG

hrbdlezzzxynxneeeeaaaczn  nn
sssqqrddpbhhfgsqrdhhfgsd   n
c         hhf s   h f      l
w                          m
w                          e
lnclnmmmyaeccgpdbbrfhgpdbb s
w         ec    b kkkg dbbca
w                khhhk     w
w                 k k      a
w                  zgyxeccaa

And the mapping would go like this:

black    k
white    w

         light  medium  dark
red      q      r       s
yellow   x      y       z
green    f      g       h
cyan     a      c       e
blue     p      b       d
magenta  l      m       n

That's how I was able to code in Piet and still keep a modicum of sanity

Anonymous

8:50 PM

@Sherlock9 I don't believe you

It was a very small modicum

can somebody help me with the esoteric language?

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Good lord

for what question?

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Q: A New Code License: The MIT, this time with Attribution Required

Update: January 15, 2016 Thank you for your candidness, patience and feedback. We're going to delay the implementation for now - we'll be back soon to open some more discussions. Important context for those arriving from reddit and slashdot links: The status quo is not "public domain", att...

discussion licensing feedback creative-commons

8:52 PM

Anyway, before I post that mapping (and the Python code to turn it into an image) to GitHub, can anyone think of a better name than char_to_codel?

Anonymous

user image

characterpaint?

Anonymous

@Sherlock9 Sounds good

@Mego Do you have lots of Meta.SE rep?

Alright then. Thanks

8:54 PM

@AlexA. there's a userscript

Anonymous

@AlexA. Yeah sure definitely that and not a userscript

Anonymous

The vote details privilege is so dumb

Anonymous

It's trivial to get that from the API

It is

Anonymous

I think I fixed the main issues with Seriously

8:55 PM

@Mego really?

@Mego i thought you were on the road?

Anonymous

@TanMath I'm going to be, in like 30 minutes

and you do not think that is enough time to review my code?

Anonymous

Hey @Dennis Seriously is now safe for TIO; use the -i switch to disable the eval command.

@TanMath nobody is obligated to review your code for you

^

8:57 PM

i know...so just say it.

Anonymous

@TanMath Definitely not

He is making an excuse...just tell ms you do not want to help!

Anonymous

Being on the road in 30 minutes does not mean I have 30 spare minutes

Anonymous

It means my tires will start spinning in 30 minutes

@TanMath Kindly calm down, and perhaps you can look over your code yourself

8:58 PM

whatever...

It is best to be polite when asking for help

i am...

Anonymous

Although with all this rudeness, now I definitely don't want to help

ok.

I don't think you understand just what level of politeness (or lack thereof) you are at currently

Anonymous

8:59 PM

I'm not going to help somebody who doesn't ask nicely

@thegrinner As for Code Golf, that's just a joke site, right? — TylerH yesterday

ಠ___ಠ

(i kinda expected this from your past behavior)

Anonymous

That's like lesson 2 of kindergarten

@AlexA. noo!!

@Mego Great! I'll have to see what I should do with CP437.

8:59 PM

@TylerH As a moderator on Code Golf, I can tell you that while we like to have fun, we are most certainly not a "joke site." We have some incredible solutions to intellectually stimulating problems. I invite you to join the community and see what we're all about. — Alex A. 3 mins ago

37 mins ago, by TanMath

@Mego so I have some code for a new stack based language based on your seriously code...but it doesn't work. Could you please help me find the problem?

not polite?

Can anyone tell me what [1,1,0,1,1,1,0,1] is encoded as base 64?

(This should be interpreted as an array of bits)

>
@Mego really?
@Mego i thought you were on the road?
and you do not think that is enough time to review my code?
i know...so just say it.
He is making an excuse...just tell ms you do not want to help!
(i kinda expected this from your past behavior)

Anonymous

@Dennis I'm working on a version that will accept and decode UTF-8-encoded input, which will make things easier. For now, if you can load the half-CP437 code table that it currently uses (bottom half ASCII, top half CP437), and convert to hex, the -x option will do the trick.

i started getting angry...I hate excuses...I thought this is another excuse...

I guess it isn't...

but @Mego can do anything with his time.

9:03 PM

TanMath, first and foremost, we are a community. If we can are willing and able to help, we usually do

Anonymous

@flawr 3Q==

But the key word here is able. Mego has to go. Let them go, maybe, maybe, ask someone else. But don't badger people

well then, i will work on it myself...You guys currently cannot do it...

@Mego This is what I do for GS2. Something similar should work for Seriously as well.

not able to help...

9:04 PM

#!/bin/bash

export LANG=en_US.UTF8
export LC_CTYPE=$LANG

sed $'y/\u2400\u263a\u263b\u2665\u2666\u2663\u2660\u2022\u25d8\u25cb\u25d9\u2642\u2640\u266a\u266b\u263c\u25ba\u25c4\u2195\u203c\u00b6\u00a7\u25ac\u21a8\u2191\u2193\u2192\u2190\u221f\u2194\u25b2\u25bc\u2302\u237d/\\0\x01\x02\x03\x04\x05\x06\x07\x08\x09\\n\x0b\x0c\x0d\x0e\x0f\x10\x11\x12\x13\x14\x15\x16\x17\x18\x19\x1a\x1b\x1c\x1d\x1e\x1f\x7f\xc2\xa0/' $1 | iconv --to cp437 > code-final

python2 /opt/gs2/gs2.py code-final

Alright, send me a link. Just don't expect any immediate feedback. It's 4 am where I am

@Sherlock9 ._. why aren't you sleeping?

Anonymous

@flawr

import binascii,base64;print base64.b64encode(binascii.unhexlify(hex(eval('0b'+raw_input().replace(',','')[1:‌-1]))[2:]))

At first I wanted to work on Piet answer. Now it's just inertia

@Sherlock9 ideone is fine?

9:06 PM

Link please

ideone.com/EDlabb

the program should print 20 but it doesn't print anything...

hello @ಠ_ಠ

@Sherlock9 thanks in ahead of time!

ಠ_ಠ@ಠ_ಠ

@TanMath x.pop()

You're not running the function when you call x.pop

@Dennis Guardians of the cinnamon roll.

2

@Sherlock9 how do I call it then?

9:10 PM

Use x.pop(), I think

Give it a try and let me know if it works

oh...

@Sherlock9 didn't work...

still says success but doesn't print anything...

@Zgarb New band name I call it

@Dennis "Combine the two atoms to the left into a niladic chain." sounds really death-metal if you don't understand programming.

4

metal as fuck \m/

you guys use to many curse words...

3

9:15 PM

Amon Amarth "Death in Fire"

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?????????????????????

Try debugging by printing the stack wherever it should be edited. Because I don't think things are being added to the stack correctly

undergroundmonorail

check it out

i golfed my spoonerize words code even more

also i have to leave for math class now but i'll make sure to go back and read all your praise for me when i return

Monorail is so cool, he only has one rail

@TanMath See my previous message

9:23 PM

@Sherlock9 i added one after the digit recognization but it still didnt print anything. Therefore it didn't figure out they were numbers...

9:35 PM

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Lol

I broke JS

You can't break JS cause it's broken as designed.

oh damn, ninja'd.

@Cyoce Needs more jQuery

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@TimmyD Do I need even more jQuery?

We've had 707 ninja so far.

9:40 PM

is there a ninja-counter?

Yes, called search.

@Cyoce Always.

El'endia Starman

@flawr Probably misses out on stuff like "ninjo'd", which I've seen Alex use.

ninjo != ninja

I'm going to use "Ninjenga" from here on out, just to mess with your counts.

9:43 PM

ninjenga'd?

jenga!

El'endia Starman

Oh, and "bearmonkey'd" and variants thereof.

@El'endiaStarman Samurai'd as well.

Can someone test the second item of this answer for me?

0

A: Code that will only execute once

Vitsy, 8 bytes (I know it isn't Golf but I like to be concise) iG" mr", iG Push name of self. " mr" Push "rm " in front of it. , Execute as shell. This assumes you run on a computer with rm as a command for delete. For an environment with del as its command for delete, it's 9...

you know, it is technically called "jinxed"

Jumanji'd.

El'endia Starman

9:45 PM

@FlagAsSpam That.....doesn't really make sense. :P

Barbarian'd

El'endia Starman

Jumanji is a place.

Barbara'd

FlagAsSpam'd

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TanMath'd

9:46 PM

@El'endiaStarman A very bad place.

El'endia Starman

Star'd

I thought the first part should describe some kind of ancient warrior.

lol

@TanMath if code.find(c)<0 or code[code.find(c)-1].isdigit(): I think this is tripping your try exceptsomehow. I think you should have put a try except around this bit of code.

or Flag'dAsSpam

9:46 PM

@TanMath On the line self.fn.get(c,lambda x:x)(self), you apply a function from fn to the stack, but don't do anything with the return value.

@flawr i am an ancient warrior...

@ETHproductions FLAG! Das spam.

@Sherlock9 i do not understans...

El'endia Starman

We should use "Cowboy'd" for FGITW stuff.

9:47 PM

ha!

@El'endiaStarman Or Carrot'd for FCITW

?

^^

what's FCITW?

Fastest carrot in the west.

9:48 PM

meanin?

Fastest carrot in the west

Or is it supposed to be the east?

@TanMath Me neither. It appears when the code runs into an error on that line, the code leaves the try part and moves into the except part

So... nobody can test my code?

Which code?

9:48 PM

Why do I have github.com/DennisMitchell/Jelly/jelly.py open in my browser? O_o

@ETHproductions Flag'sAsSpam

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0

A: Code that will only execute once

Vitsy, 8 bytes (I know it isn't Golf but I like to be concise) iG" mr", iG Push name of self. " mr" Push "rm " in front of it. , Execute as shell. This assumes you run on a computer with rm as a command for delete. For an environment with del as its command for delete, it's 9...

El'endia Starman

@FlagAsSpam I can (I think?) but I am not willing to. :P

@ETHproductions Who is Jelly Mitchell?

9:49 PM

Joni Mitchell

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

What code @FlagAsSpam

?

@El'endiaStarman ಠ_ಠ

@Sherlock9 ok...

El'endia Starman

35 secs ago, by FlagAsSpam

0

A: Code that will only execute once

Vitsy, 8 bytes (I know it isn't Golf but I like to be concise) iG" mr", iG Push name of self. " mr" Push "rm " in front of it. , Execute as shell. This assumes you run on a computer with rm as a command for delete. For an environment with del as its command for delete, it's 9...

user image

9:49 PM

Bearmonkey'd.

El'endia Starman

...YUS.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman Oh.

v

Yup.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Did you get your problem on SO sorted out?

9:50 PM

Vitsy is oddly good at deleting itself.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions No, I haven't tried anything yet

El'endia Starman

Dead weight isn't just a good description of your ex.

@El'endiaStarman I haven't really been able to make any progress on my own CA challenge.

This looks awesome

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi The plurality rule one?

9:52 PM

yas

El'endia Starman

@flawr It does.

@flawr Is that like LARP?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Fun fact: del "" will delete all files within the current folder.

user image

I had no idea this existed.

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Fun fact: this sounds like a bad plan!

2

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

9:54 PM

@FlagAsSpam I almost did it to C:/ ^~^

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ ...reason for being a bad plan.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi I haven't taken a crack at it yet. And because the radius is greater than 1, I can't fiddle with it using Variations of Life.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@FlagAsSpam Oui :P

@El'endiaStarman That seems like a bad code rational

~_~

i feel like going on a starring spree

El'endia Starman

9:55 PM

@flawr I think that's the first time I've seen such a large-scale battle. Interesting!

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ How so?

And *rationale.

~_^

@TanMath How about not in here?

Is there a way to construct a CA rule from a set of desired "particle interactions"?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@El'endiaStarman "Because the radius is [greater] than 1, ..."

You guys keep messing up my carrots :P

9:56 PM

@AlexA. no disapproval face?

@ETHproductions Maybe you should have some broccoli instead then.

El'endia Starman

@PhiNotPi Not that I know of, but maybe? I probably know less about CAs than you do. :P

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Still not sure what you mean.

@ETHproductions eat some brussel sprouts...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

That makes sense. I'm brain dead again

@PhiNotPi There's a method called "partitioned cellular automata".

9:59 PM

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Q: Find the syncopation

Given an input of a string consisting entirely of qs representing quarter notes and es representing eighth notes, output the indeces of the quarter notes that are syncopated. Syncopation is complex, but for the purposes of this challenge, our definition of "syncopated" will be very simple: a qua...

But it depends on what exactly you want to do.

Ooh, new challenge! click

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