The Nineteenth Byte

RikerW

00:00

I try to only upvote for Julia answers or ingenius answers.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

The latter is hard, and gives very little output; the former is also hard, and really doesn't give any output.

So, sorry if I'm a little miffed.

I vote for conceptual design of the language.

Dennis

I'm confused. Didn't you make a golfing language yourself?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

It sucks, really.

And I've made three.

Two of them you've never seen because they just aren't good.

Dennis

So you dislike my golfing language because it doesn't suck?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

No. It's just not interesting.

IMO.

Dennis

00:02

What's not interesting about the first ever tacit golfing language?

Alex A.

@RikerW I also disagree with that. I don't upvote based on the language or the poster. I go based on the approach, the cleverness, how well it was golfed, etc.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis J is pretty much that iirc

Alex A.

J isn't a golfing language

Dennis

J is not a golfing language.

Alex A.

Ninja'd

randomra

00:04

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ J isn't a golfing language

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

OMFG I GET IT

Alex A.

Double ninja'd

I am ninja master

randomra

:D

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

>-<

feersum

Is this some kind of game where the last person who doesn't say 'J isn't a golfing language' has to take out the trash or something?

J isn't a golfing language

(just to be safe)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:04

J isn't a golfing language.

^^ not a bad idea

Alex A.

Looks like @Maltysen has to take out the garbage now.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Or @TanMath

J Atkin

Is this ready for posting?

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Read the table code-golf Task Read the contents of a table given a set of coordinates. Table formatting Tables will be in this basic format: |[name]|[name]| ------+------+------+ [name]| [val]|[val] | [name]| [val]|[val] | Column names are always unique within columns. Row names are...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis I mean, it's not boring, but (a) there are lots of more interesting languages and (b) As the number of languages increase, you have to make a choice: make it golfy and let it fit into the ever-increasing mold, or make it interesting. This is why I consider Jolf somewhat of a failure: I fell into a pattern (e.g. Pyth) and it lost a lot of originality. I've been working on making it a utility tool, and that's something I can be proud of.

TanMath

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ J isn't a golfing language...

@Maltysen take out the trash...

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Alex A.

00:08

The thing is, a lot of golfing languages are concise in a way that makes really boring approaches short. However, despite being a competatively concise language, @Dennis manages to come up with clever algorithms and solutions in Jelly.

J Atkin

This is just strange:

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Q: Why are toilet seats often missing from Filipino toilets? Which toilets are more likely to have seats?

Is it that by original design, they were simply omitted? Or do perhaps people have a habit of stealing them? Or something else? How can I have better luck finding a toilet that actually has a seat? (Or an accommodation where the toilets will likely have seats?)

Alex A.

@JAtkin It's kind of a running joke on Travel.SE how many toilet questions there are.

Nathan Merrill

I think that there can be targetted golfing languages

for example, your language could specialize in sequences

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@AlexA. <person x> can come up with clever algorithms and solutiosn in <language y>

It's not hard to do. (Besides the mental effort, of course.)

Alex A.

Yeah, so I upvote those cases.

TanMath

00:10

is this a solution to the Quine challenge?:

s = r"print 's = r\"' + s + '\"' + '\nexec(s+s)'"
exec(s+s)

Alex A.

Idk, is it a quine?

undergroundmonorail

J isn't a golfing language

J Atkin

I'm about to post this: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/8111/42736, Is it good to go?

FlagAsSpam

@JAtkin Looks fine to me.

J Atkin

Great!

Nathan Merrill

00:20

@JAtkin wait

J Atkin

Ok, but why?

Nathan Merrill

given two columns with the same name, but one has a trailing space

how am I supposed to know which one to use?

for example:

   |a |a|
  b|1 |2|
 b |3 |4|

given input a b

J Atkin

Good point. I'll add a requirement that columns must be unique when the spaces are timed.

Nathan Merrill

trimmed?

J Atkin

Leading and trailing white space removed

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

00:23

Please, shower this answer in upvotes:

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A: Counting the byte size of a file encoded in ISO 8859-7 in JavaScript

Extended from this comment. As @pvg mentioned in the comments, the string resulting from readAsBinaryString would be correct, but is corrupted for two reasons: A. The result is encoded in ISO-8859-1. You can use a function to fix this: function convertFrom1to7(text) { // charset is the set o...

quintopia

@PhiNotPi There will be if you implement esolangs.org/wiki/CASTLE

J Atkin

@NathanMerrill Does that take care of the issue?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

lol I said the answer, not the question :P

El'endia Starman

J isn't a golfing language. (whew!)

TanMath

it isn't!

@El'endiaStarman take out the trash please...

El'endia Starman

00:34

YOU SAW NOTHING. [GLARES]

Alex A.

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TanMath

yes... I saw nothing...but I READ EVERYTHING @El'endiaStarman now take out the trash!

@AlexA. what happened to his head!

Alex A.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's overflowing with knowledge

TanMath

is his head like a Jack-in-the-Box?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

¯\_(;´༎ຶД༎ຶ`)_/¯

Alex A.

00:36

That's not what I meant to link to

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Q: Jon Skeet Facts

I'm looking for Chuck Norris Facts style answers. In case anyone is curious, this question was inspired by Jon's own comment to this question. EDIT: If you're into cryptography, you may enjoy these facts. Now with official sanction from the powers that be!

discussion community fun

Here we go

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I have to go bc my computer is deciding to update >_<

Alex A.

#windowsproblems

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

byeeeee bbl

@AlexA. Yes.

Alex A.

o/

> There is no 'CTRL' button on Jon Skeet's computer. Jon Skeet is always in control.

TanMath

lol

> When Jon Skeet gives a method an argument, the method loses

El'endia Starman

00:42

Golfed my 19-byte Minkolang answer down to 14 bytes...just a bit more than the CJam answers that are 10 and 12 bytes. I'm happy. :D

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Q: Read the tables

Task Read the contents of a table given a set of coordinates. Table formatting Tables will be in this basic format: |[name]|[name]| --------------------- [name]| [val]|[val] | [name]| [val]|[val] | Column names are always unique within columns. Row names are also unique within rows. T...

code-golf

Quill

I saw Jon Ericson's commen on that meta

That's great news

FlagAsSpam

549

A: Jon Skeet Facts

Jon Skeet can recite π. Backwards.

TanMath

that must take forever (literally!)

J Atkin

When Jon Skeet's code fails to compile the compiler apologises.

Best one!

TanMath

00:49

> Jon Skeet is the only person who has ranked higher than Jon Skeet in the SO all-time rep league.

FlagAsSpam

185

A: Jon Skeet Facts

Jon Skeet can believe it's not butter.

Alex A.

hahahahaha

That's my favorite I think

FlagAsSpam

Bullet two of this one:

178

A: Jon Skeet Facts

Jon Skeet can throw an exception further than anyone else, and in less time Jon Skeet can code in Perl and make it look like Java Jon Skeet can stop an infinite loop just by thinking about it Jon Skeet doesn't need a debugger, he just stares down the bug until the code confesses Jon Skeet once w...

J Atkin

Jon Skeet doesn't need a debugger, he just stares down the bug until the code confesses

Alex A.

I wonder whether Jon Skeet is a nice guy or his godlike presence on Stack Overflow has swollen his ego.

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J Atkin

00:52

Along the same lines:

Jon Skeet does not run his programs. He just whispers "you better run". And it runs.

TanMath

@AlexA. he looks nice...

FlagAsSpam

Shouldn't this be moved to codegolf.SE?

Alex A.

@FlagAsSpam I think at one point a decision was made not to migrate the old code golf questions off of Stack Overflow once CodeGolf.SE was created.

FlagAsSpam

Huh.

TanMath

@FlagAsSpam so shouldn't all of these be moved? nope!:

stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/code-golf

Alex A.

00:55

They're probably kept around for historical significance, much like how the code trolling questions here remain.

FlagAsSpam

These are beautiful lines of code, like finely cut glass or rare flowering orchids. I love how you've reached straight through the logical layer and dealt directly with the math of 1 and 0 with the most optimal operations possible. I'll be using these in my own projects, but unfortunately when I need the code to be understood by coworkers I'll have to default to a more logic-based approach. Thank you though, your answer has made my day. — Ollie Glass Aug 2 '11 at 11:53

...wow. I wish I got appreciation like that.

Alex A.

Don't we all.

Let me try this again...

Please take a moment to answer this: strawpoll.me/6549009

(it works this time)

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Q: Superstitious Programming

Your challenge is extremely simple. Given a year as input, print all the months in that year that will contain a Friday the 13th according to the Gregorian calendar. Note that even though the Gregorian Calendar wasn't introduced until 1582, for simplicity's sake we will pretend that it has been i...

code-golf date time

Alex A.

Only 3 votes on the poll and one of them is me... No more takers?

Justin

@AlexA. What if we feel the name should neither be "Code Golf" or "Programming ..."?

Alex A.

01:08

The meta consensus, however unfortunate, is not to change our name. However, given that programming puzzles pretty much aren't a thing here (and only kind of were in the past as an attempt to breathe new life into a stagnating site), I think there might be support, given a sufficiently well-presented case, for removing "Programming Puzzles &".

The entire network knows us as Code Golf anyway, and that's how Stack Exchange refers to us internally.

Dammit, Strawpoll keeps getting messed up. I know 300 people haven't voted on that.

Justin

Lol

But it would be good evidence

Alex A.

What would?

Justin

Oh I misread it...

TanMath

@AlexA. what poll?

Alex A.

@TanMath I posted a strawpoll.me link a little earlier, like 10 messages or so up. The poll got all messed up though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

01:21

Thanks @ETHproductions! My thing now works :D

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Q: Parse RNA into codons

Introduction RNA is the less famous cousin of DNA. Its main purpose is to control the production of proteins in cells through a process called translation. In this challenge, your task is to implement a part of this process where the RNA is split into codons. This challenge is thematically rela...

code-golf string parsing

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Q: Tag-badges for challenges

Related: Increase reputation awarded for questions It has recently came to my attention that tag-points are only awarded on answers. For a site like Stack-Overflow, that makes sense, as providing good answers is the perfect way to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about in a certain ...

feature-request tags questions reputation

Alex A.

01:48

Noooooo

Dennis

@AlexA. WTH How old is that poll?

Alex A.

@Dennis Something's wrong with it, idk.

It's my second attempt. Both freaked out and added like 300 nos.

Dennis

My guess is somebody's being "funny".

You know, a Distributed Denial of Code Golf attack.

ETHproductions

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Awesome! Which solution(s) did you use?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@ETHproductions I'm currently only using the to7 one, but plan on using the others!

oh wait I forgot to accept it

Alex A.

01:57

@Dennis I would be surprised if that were the case. But you never know.

ETHproductions

My gained rep on SO (besides assoc. bonus) before today: 29. My gained rep in the last few hours: 55.

Alex A.

Nice :D

Dennis

02:19

I really should have implemented character literals by now. I should also call listify on unevaluated strings.

Alex A.

Seriously. What have you been doing all this time? Get to work!

Dennis

On the bright side, that delightful listification bug made me post my first Jelly function. I don't think I've ever had to do that before...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Pop-con idea: draw an ascii line of a given slope and length.

@ETHproductions I am also using IsValidISOwhatever

Dennis

Why pop con?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

I don't have a reference implementation, and the task would be hard.

Calvin's Hobbies

02:41

@AlexA. Dennis wasn't ready for this Jelly

Dennis

'cause my language's too golfilicious for yo babe

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Dennis

And I just golfed down syncopation to 9 bytes.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

pop con: easter eggs in a language.

Dennis

Done, closed, downvotes into oblivion.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

02:47

Really? :P

Dennis

I can't find it right now, but I'm pretty sure there was something like a hidden language features show-off.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

xD I thought that wouldn't turn out well

Calvin's Hobbies

It would actually be pretty interesting I bet, just too broad/unobjective :/

Dennis

It's definitely interesting. Just not on topic.

Some of SO's most entertaining questions were blatantly off topic.

Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ

Is there a way to get all answers on a question only by a specific user with the SE apis?

Dennis

02:53

With the API, no idea. The on-site search does that though.

s/no idea/probably, but I have no clue how/

Would that help you or does it have to be the API? (I have no idea what you're trying to do.)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Idea: we all pretend it doesn't exist for a few days. Then modhammer it.

Calvin's Hobbies

@Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ You can always get the user id in the return data then only look at the items that match the user

Doᴡɴɢᴏᴀᴛ

@Dennis I need the API but I think I got it figured out

Dennis

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ On the most diamond-heavy site of the entire network. Good luck with that...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis wink wink nudge nudge we all pretend

jk if you didn't know :P

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