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11:00 PM
@VisualMelon Before I go and complain about how this is obviously stupid, I'll stop and reason that they must have a reason. So, would you happen to know that reason? Is it efficiency, and Lists are really what I want if I want to append?
Are we allowed to have the Unicode RTL override in our username?
@El'endiaStarman indeed, just that - sorry for my terse reply, I was trying to work out how to phrase what you just said
@El'endiaStarman I assume it's like arrays in C / C++
@Doorknob And java.
@El'endiaStarman Oh I thought you meant Lists
11:01 PM
@SuperJedi224 We don't talk about that kind of stuff here.
Lists have Add and AddRange, Arrays are fixed size
@Doorknob ಠ_ಠ
@Doorknob Why not?
Well, remember, 7-8 years of Python here.
@El'endiaStarman You should learn C or assembly. Studies show it makes programming 58% less confusing.
11:02 PM
@Doorknob Oh really now? Decided to use Emacs? :P
I recommend C++ with C libraries
@feersum Assembly? Really.
@feersum I actually do know some of both.
can't stand C++ IO....
C++ is my least favorite language, mostly for the error messages.
11:03 PM
@SuperJedi224 Cause, ya know, Java.
@AlexA. ಠ_ಠ
@El'endiaStarman Tried clang++?
I have not.
@VisualMelon The whole std::cout << stuff thing strikes me as very unlike C/C++
@El'endiaStarman Do such things
@quartata Seasoned C++ programmers tend to code C++ like C++, not like C.
People who write C-style C++ annoy me.
Another barrier to "entry" (i.e., taking the time to get better) is that with Python, I can run my code straight away. C or C++, I have to compile and link, then run the executable.
11:04 PM
That's why you use an IDE with a compile+run button
Now, I only just recently discovered/learned that there are online REPLs for these languages...
Thankfully no one ever looks at my C/C++ except me, so I don't need to apologise to them in advance
@ChrisJester-Young I more meant that it doesn't seem very much like C/C++'s strict syntax. I didn't mean to say it isn't C 0/10
I get that it's operator overloading
@El'endiaStarman Makefiles!
@El'endiaStarman I mean technically Python is compiling your code to bytecode.
11:05 PM
@feersum The only IDEs I've used are Eclipse and Virtual Studio, and I found both to be very big and slow. Again, I'm used to Python's IDLE.
If it bothers you, make a makefile that compiles and runs
Use a lighter one then.
@Doorknob Then I have to write the makefile...
@feersum Like what?
@quartata Or do something like alias go="make; ./something"
@El'endiaStarman Have you used CLion yet? It's still new and full of bugs, but still handy.
11:05 PM
I use CodeBlocks
@El'endiaStarman Xcode on Mac is pretty nice. Still big but not as sluggish as Emacs.
It's probably pretty crappy
@El'endiaStarman I use basically the same makefile for all my C projects. They're easy to generalize (with GNU make and stuff like wildcard, at least).
@AlexA. s/XCode/Xcode/
@AlexA. <- Windows 10.
11:06 PM
16 secs ago, by Alex A.
@El'endiaStarman XCode on Mac is pretty nice. Still big but not as sluggist as Emacs.
But it's lightweight and if I need more features then I use VS.
> sluggist
@ChrisJester-Young Fixed :P
@AlexA. "Mac is pretty nice" lies :P
11:06 PM
@ChrisJester-Young Hello
@ChrisJester-Young s/xcode/XCODE/ig
> sluggist
@quartata jeez what is my life
I will never let you live that down.
Alex = slug confirmed
Slugs are gross
11:07 PM
Alex may be wrong, but he is most definitely not a slug.
@ChrisJester-Young CLion isn't free, right?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ \o/
@AlexA. It's not free, but since I already use ReSharper for work, I actually have an all-you-can-eat JetBrains licence, so my subscription covers all JetBrains products. :-P
That's awesome!
They made some fantastic products.
Do you use Visual Studio with ReSharper?
11:08 PM
ReSharper requires VS to work. :-P
Okay, that's what I thought.
<- saving his money until he gets a job.
Idk, never used it myself.
So wait, only mods can move messages to the "Trashcan" but room owners can move messages to the "Trash"
What's the difference
@quartata Trashcan is private
11:09 PM
@El'endiaStarman :( good luck
@Doorknob Ah.
Well, guess I'll have to keep my trash in a giant smelly bag.
<~~ currently enjoying the bliss that is High School
Maybe someday I'll have the luxury of a nice shiny steel can.
why are you two sidevoting?
@quartata No, only green plastic trash cans for you.
11:10 PM
@Seadrus We're pointing to ourselves.
naw ur definately sidevoteing
@quartata I can give you access to the private room so you can move messages into it, but that would be mostly pointless. :P
> sidevoteing
@Seadrus that's a suspicious time to enter the room
@Doorknob And probably not allowed anyways
@ThomasKwa Seadrus = sock confirmed
11:10 PM
@quartata Sure it's allowed. Plenty of people have access
@ThomasKwa ive had it open for a while ._.
@Doorknob wait why
@feersum Looks like it's only for C, C++, and FORTRAN. I'll keep your suggestion in mind, but my focus right now is C# because that's what companies in my area mostly use.
That seems... strange.
@quartata So they can move things into it?
11:11 PM
@Seadrus We all know you're @Geobits's sock
@Doorknob But shouldn't it be something only mods can have access to, so no one can see the junk inside of it?
I don't know. Me confuzled.
@ChrisJester-Young Me too. I had to take over a C++ project where the original author refused to use C++ IO - everything was printf and scanf
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ >_< jelous?
11:12 PM
@Mego Ewwwww!
@El'endiaStarman if you want a lighter C# IDE, I recommend SharpDevelop - I only used to use it on my netbook because VS C# Express edition was too heavy, but its long my preferred IDE when I can use it
@Mego RegEx it :P
@Mego So, I like Boost.Format. You get the benefits of format strings (easier localisation), but it's type-safe and interacts well with IOStreams.
(VS C++ Express, however, was not heavy at all)
@ChrisJester-Young Yeah Boost is pretty great
11:13 PM
how do I pronounce "C#"?
@Seadrus Cee Sharp.
See Sharp
@Seadrus "eff natural"
i say C hashtag
@El'endiaStarman Right...I thought the conversation was about C/C++ IDEs.
11:13 PM
@TanMath Yep, it works. Now golf it.
@Seadrus ಠ_ಠ
@Seadrus ಠ_ಠ
@Seadrus "Brainfuck"
Dee Flat, if anything
Working now:
A: Bernoulli Numbers

TanMathPython 3, 184 225 bytes This is based on Mego's example implementation, except golfed further. EDIT: Fixed and working now. Just here as a reference since most bytes for Python 3. import math from fractions import Fraction as F def n(n,r):f = math.factorial;return f(n)/f(r)/f(n-r) def B(m): i...

11:14 PM
I said C bang for the longest of times >_<
@TanMath Now put some effort into golfing it and I'll remove my downvote
@feersum I do appreciate the suggestion. I'll keep it in mind for if/when I get around to improving my skills with C, even if only a bit. I've accumulated quite a bit of understanding of how programming languages work since last time I tried.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ you've got # and ! the wrong way round
@VisualMelon I know ^_^
this room is too damn active it's crazy
11:15 PM
@Mego OK
Working on it
See she
@CSᵠ Really, this is unusually active, I think.
Here's an easy puzzle for you:
Q: I'm so meta, try yourself with this!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ Long ago, where barrels ran ramped and the trees consumed the earth, was a time of life and of love and of happiness. (You put one and two together, and what do you get?) A long implementation of something so silly did we unearth, beneath the meaning and nothing less. (I'm sure yo...

@El'endiaStarman doesn't seem so
Or better, Ceesh
11:15 PM
No one on Puzzling has got it yet >:D
It should be easy in this room tho
Can you do return0?
@TanMath no
@TanMath returnfalse
I want to make a programming language in which whitespace is not necessary :D
11:18 PM
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Good luck with the parsing.
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Seriously
@Mego A keyword language
@El'endiaStarman It shouldn't be too hard. There's a regex for that, right? ;)
Hamming-encoded keywords?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ BF
47 secs ago, by Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ
@Mego A keyword language
11:19 PM
A what?
@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ So, lets say you decide to look for any instance of return and return whatever immediately follows. Let's further say we have a variable of the name returnValue that we use to store the value we want to return later...
@Doorknob A language that has >1 byte commands :P
@El'endiaStarman Syntax error!
Reserved identifier.
So no identifiers can be prefixed with other identifiers
11:21 PM
The Mouse programming language is a small computer programming language developed by Dr. Peter Grogono in the late 1970s and early 1980s. It was developed as an extension of an earlier language called MUSYS, which was used to control digital and analog devices in an electronic music studio. Mouse was originally intended as a small, efficient language for microcomputers with limited memory. It is an interpreted, stack-based language and uses Reverse Polish notation. To make an interpreter as easy as possible to implement, Mouse is designed so that a program is processed as a stream of characters...
Hamming codes
I could only golf 4 bytes
There's a python golfing tips post that will help you
OK thanks
@Mego Ham is gross but code is nice
11:28 PM
@AlexA. Ham is ok
It gets a solid meh from me
I did like ham at one point
Ham is okay
ham is yummy
Pigs are, in general, not tasty
I don't like bacon
11:31 PM
Ham is bland
Bacon and sausage are pretty good
They sure are cute though
@AlexA. yummy
piggies are cute and delicious
11:36 PM
@Doorknob Ribs are the best. :-)
@ChrisJester-Young Truth
@orlp D:
I'm not a meat guy. Only a Chick-fil-a guy.
11:57 PM
@AlexA. Teach us some R

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