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6:00 PM
@LordofTime I write in chat now 'cause I believe things getting messed up. The program was already installed so I interpreted your advice as "reinstall" apt-get remove -> apt-get install -> can't fatch packages. D'oh! X_X
 
jrg
BizSpark huh? I'll think about that.
 
@jrg I think it's just for startups though.
 
jrg
Although I will pay for a copy of Windows 8, I need several other Windows for my VMs.
 
...and doesn't all of the software run on Windows Azure?
 
izx
@jrg Dude, you save BizSpark for when you're no longer a student. You get Dreamspark.
 
jrg
6:01 PM
@GeorgeEdison Ok, so I'll have dad's LLC do it then.
 
I will never touch a copy of Win8.
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@izx they removed the free version now
 
@jrg We should get a bulk license :) I need some copies too.
 
@izx its university-bound now, you'd need a dream spark pro license for the institiution
@yoshi lol. download the packages to a flashdrive or something
you can do that
 
I wish ReactOS would mature quicker - it would sure be helpful for testing.
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6:02 PM
i have a dreamspark account and a school based msdnaa account...double your pleasure....double mint gum
my .edu email is still active
 
hmmm what would be the quickest way to install it from a flash drive? adding it to repos? never did it before ;_;
 
jrg
Hm, now is the time for that homeschooling-related .edu domain name I was looking at.
 
oh my god... its.. its... ITS DOOMSDAY!!!! context: music playlist title
 
izx
@LordofTime It doesn't look like from their website...
 
@izx last i checked it was
 
6:05 PM
Wow.
 
@LordofTime nm my last question I see it's a .deb
 
izx
@LordofTime No, it looks like MSDNAA has been rebranded as "Dreamspark Premium"
 
there's a distinction in which software is available between the two i believe
e.g. i got a legit copy of project through msdnaa...afaik you can't get that through dreamspark
 
ooh... "Windows Server 2012 RC"
available for dreamspark
but not MSDNAA yet
</testtime>
 
I feel dirty using Microsoft.
 
@Flabricorn I feel dirty using anything that says in the EULA, not to be used when lives are at stake
@izx I stand corrected
 
I enjoy Ubuntu though, open-source, happy, full of funny looking butterflies...
 
@Flabricorn I love you man :'D
 
here's a funny looking butterfly:
 
cries
 
6:10 PM
 
i sense... something... it approaches... its coming closer... and closer... AND CLOSER... HOLY FREAKING GOD, ITS... ITS... IT'S THE ULTIMATE EVIL THING CALLED WINDOWS 8!!!!! BURN THE EVIL!!!
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izx
@LordofTime Well, it's that godawful Metro UI plus "go Hyper-V"....nothing to look forward to
 
@LordofTime Tile it!
 
@izx i use PowerShell for everything so what do i care :P
 
If anyone knows a juvenile individual (and I don't mean demeanour) with an interest in programming: raspberrypi.org/archives/1545
 
6:12 PM
@RolandTaylor Thanks. Butterflies are the damn greatest.
 
izx
@aking1012 What juvenile is this that thou speaketh of? :P
 
$1000 prize for someone <18yo on winning a raspberry pi programming competition thing
 
izx
Yea, I was kidding about the juvenile/demeanor part ;)
 
oh...gotcha
 
If only I wanted to use a 900Mhz Processor.
 
izx
6:14 PM
I could give you my Celeron?
 
@Flabricorn you can do it in qemu
 
Windows 8 looms over us like the Death Star over Alderaan.
 
I miss Celerons.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS grabs the BFG and the Temporal Energy Beam
 
@ObsessiveFOSS Except Windows 8 has got a whole lot more wholes then the death star
 
6:15 PM
Do they have a QEMU for Ubuntu?
 
LET ME AT IT! IT SHALL FEEL THE ULTIMATE IN EVIL WRATH!!!!!!!
 
@CoreyWhitaker I miss the old Cyrix chips...they doubled as space heaters
 
And I have a Celron..
Two in fact..
 
@Flabricorn yes
 
Sweet, thanks.
 
6:15 PM
@aking1012 Do you want some Cyrix Chips?
 
@aking1012 Yes... yes they did lol
 
Well, one is a Celron M....
 
@ObsessiveFOSS i wouldn't have boards to run them. it was kind of a joke
 
@CoreyWhitaker Why do you miss Celrons? No cache...
@CoreyWhitaker The Pentium 4 was a big step up in speed.
 
@aking1012 Want some motherboards? I have like 5 lying around, abandoned in favor of laptops with quad-core CPU's and graphics cards that could overheat the earth of overclocked.
 
6:17 PM
PCI motherboards?
 
wow... this room has 11500+ starred posts?
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HOW ARE WE THAT EPIC
 
@LordofTime we usurp the awesomeness of gaming.se and scifi.se by making awesome posts about games that run on ubuntu, starwars references, and unicorn-like creatures
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Fat ass unicorns.
 
@aking1012 not to mention random comments about the end of time, dumping people into /dev/rubbish, and of course, using the BFG to sink the Evil.
 
As I am a unicorn myself.
@ObsessiveFOSS Are they PCI motherboards?
 
6:20 PM
@ObsessiveFOSS i wouldn't have anywhere to put them. i'm going to need to be moving soon in all probability anyway ... less to pack. appreciate the offer though
 
PCI, ISA, and each comes with 64MB PC100 RAM.
@aking1012 Anyway... I don't do business across the internet.
 
You might be able to do something neat with the distributed linux isos though
 
Whao, old motherboards.
 
well apparently, thanks to @JorgeCastro putting the +250 bounty on my question for my answer, i'm getting upvotes... if this keeps up i'll hit 5k in no time
 
@Lord I just found your new gravatar
 
6:22 PM
LOL
@aking1012 That... is a BFG.
 
BFG's were the best.
I think I had more fun with it in Quake 2 than in Doom though.
 
@Flabricorn The grappling hook mod for quake was epic
 
Hmmm, never used it.
 
@Flabricorn well... when you're me and you've beaten the game on every rank, you do the following:
(1) Give yourself every gun and god mode.
(2) Beat the memory addresses to give you infinite ammunition
(3) Use the BFG for everything.
(4) Watch the pwnage ensue.
(5) When you get bored, nuke everything.
 
That's how I played video games.
Quake originally only had the lightning gun.
 
6:25 PM
@LordofTime how about just flipping the logic check for "if ammo > 0" and letting yourself sit at zero ammo firing away...
 
You didn't get the BFG back until Quake 2.
 
@aking1012 LOL
 
@Flabricorn - They were cheap and great to learn how to OC on cause if I burned it out, it was $30 to replace
 
Dark Forces 2 had some wicked mods too (they were just text files with the extension .cog...it was like lucasarts WANTED you to cheat)
i.feel.old. I remember things that run in dosbox being awesome...
Anyone remember "Please remove your OS floppy and insert the wheel of fortune game floppy"?
 
Not wheel of fortune...
Anyone play "King's Quest II"?
 
6:31 PM
You know who has two thumbs and played every king's quest until 6 or 7?
 
@aking1012 you?
 
You?
 
I'm holding my original copy for II
 
@aking1012 Error: $entity_ThisGuy is not a member of $entity_aking1012.
 
6:33 PM
I wish I had two thumbs >.>
 
@CoreyWhitaker I know right? I mean left. I mean sir... ma'm.....
 
@LordofTime It's a private method only accessible through the public interface .get_epicness()
 
Haaaa. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Why is everyone laughing?
 
Error: $entity_ThisGuy.get_epicness() is null.
Error: $entity_aking1012 is not permitted to use interface get_epicness()
 
:/
 
6:35 PM
BURN!
 
return $LordOfTime.get_epicness();
"Time Lord"
 
You may be a Time Boy from Gallibey but you have no right to .get_epicness()
 
@LordofTime @aking1012 This is off-topic. Please use StackOverflow.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS you realize this language doesnt exist, that it solely exists in /dev/universe?
and that if we go there they already have a "Burn on sight" order for us all?
 
@LordofTime I have no retort.
 
6:38 PM
Can somebody push Lord of Time into /dev/null for me?
 
@CoreyWhitaker /dev/null won't accept me. XD
 
Denial must be common for you?
 
careful with your words
(seriously)
 
Everyone in here needs to CALM DOWN.
 
agrees, goes to read 570000 lines of code
 
6:41 PM
And @CoreyWhitaker he's right, I once had to goto the hospital because I cut one of my fingers off on an "a". Words are damn dangerous things, way too sharp.
 
@LordofTime I said that jokingly, I hope it didn't offend you.
 
female === [fe] male === Iron Man! // mind blown
 
He's a reposter from reddit - ^
:)
 
@CoreyWhitaker those kinds of jokes and "Your Momma" jokes usually get me annoyed VERY fast. Best to just not do those.
Y U NO WORK, EVIL THING?!?!?
throws mono out the window
 
@LordofTime Understood
 
6:43 PM
/me .
 
I lost the game.
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@RolandTaylor Hello.
 
@RolandTaylor that's clever if you mean what i think you mean
 
@ObsessiveFOSS and now so have we.
old meme is old.
 
Quick, star it up so everyone else does to for hours to come!
 
6:46 PM
@CoreyWhitaker define "it"
 
@LordofTime - ObsessiveFOSS's post about losing the game
 
@CoreyWhitaker You can point by replying to it
 
That's good to know for future reference, IDK how I don't know that already
 
@Flabricorn actually i'm a reposter from twitter. I just apparently repost reposts
 
@rlemon Yo dawg I heard you like reposts...
 
6:47 PM
@aking1012 Yo dawg I heard you like reposts...
 
@rlemon so you retweet retweets?
 
@LordofTime I see an infinite loop coming.
 
@rlemon As of the moment any content enters the Internet, it shall be infinitely reused until forgotten about.
 
@rlemon did you ever sort out that one website thing? the plagarised content one
 
@CoreyWhitaker This was forseen at the beginning of Time.
 
6:49 PM
@aking1012 I reported it to all parties and the site is still up.
 
:(
 
???
 
@rlemon did you email abuse@hostingprovider?
 
scrapes all content from SO and other like sites with NO attribution
changes names and dates but not content
 
I wish I could share with all of you the music I am listening to.
 
6:51 PM
I reported to asp.net and SO (the two biggest sites)
 
@rlemon "The names and dates of this post have been changed to protect the innocent. Their names are fake, but their stories are real"
 
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A: Report high-Google-ranking SE content copiers here

rlemonhttp://www.advancesharp.com/Questions/7587/why-does-crash-my-page is a direct copy of Why does $($) crash my page? and so far (other than the retained links from the sister sites) I do not see any citation or linkage to the SO site or question. The do not follow the the content attribution rules...

 
you may want to contact the IP provider
its how i've gotten 16 sites that stole my information from my site taken down
 
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Q: Reset dselect selection before package installation

BrunoI was looking through the list of packages with dselect, but pressed Return twice by mistake, thereby making it confirm and quit the [S]elect option. When I go to the [I]nstall option, it's now suggesting to install a number of new packages that I don't want (and that have nothing to do with wha...

 
that, and the Evil of lawsuits
 
6:54 PM
well me not being the site owner just a flagg happy citizen - idk if they will care what I have to say
 
"I'm emailing on behalf of" doesn't necessarily imply ownership -- IANAL
 
@rlemon network-tools.com/… or you can ping the registrar (name.com it seems... for the registrar)
if you wnat ill email them
 
go for it :P
I would... but i'm lazy and have already exhausted all my effort for one week .
name.com has a form
ok i'll post
 
They "copyright" SO material at advancesharp.com. See advancesharp.com/Legal
 
has anyone else gotten a mail from SO careers recently?
 
6:57 PM
@ObsessiveFOSS i'll call the FCC xD
 
yea they do a bunch of illegal stuff
 
Well so do Banks and CEOs so I'd say they're probably not at immediate risk.
 
Is there any action that is damaging, but legal, that we can take against advancesharp.com?
 
Oops, I didn't mean to bobby tables your DB...not legal, but I suspect possible
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7:04 PM
@aking1012 XKCD reference?
 
If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss Bank.
 
yes, yes it was
 
It's as if everyone just got really boring.
 
it's a moral grey area...so people got quiet. new topic
 
OpenMW looks pretty cool.
 
7:10 PM
@Flabricorn that looks pretty epic. i've been saying we need some ogre based engine templates, but the most recommended/mature engine only has dotnet dev tools on windows
 
Well, this looks pretty good, downloading everything now.
 
@LordofTime @rlemon That won't work. Only the content holder can submit a dispute
 
it does look cool. i wonder if it stands on a common base or if it's stand-alone
@MarcoCeppi good to know
 
jrg
@MarcoCeppi @LordofTime @rlemon Correct. That means that SE are the only people who can do anything about it.
 
If you're concerned about it, open an M.SO thread
 
7:13 PM
@aking1012 Any form of a protest with repeated questions asked(and no answers) in order to lower answer rate, or possibly bad answers to lower edit productivity?
 
that's a possibility i suppose. i can't really say a whole lot on viability since i signed the "be-nice" clause in the ubuntu code of conduct
 
Interesting finding: There's so little activity and weird rep code so you can make questions, answer, accept, get 17 rep, and move on without being noticed. Also, no loss from downvotes.
 
@MarcoCeppi so, saying "This website is violating Stack Overflow's use because they're scraping SE content and then redistributing the information under a copyright without source attribution" would probably get SE's attention?
 
They also misuse an apostrophe in the title in the word expert. It should be experts'.
 
7:19 PM
Probably, then you'll also want to ask "How should we handle these when we find them"
to make the question more canonical
 
Once this question is posted, can you give me a link?
 
I'm not posting it :)
 
Whoever is posting it....
 
go find it yourself :p
mumbles something about @ObsessiveFOSS being overly lazy
 
@LordofTime sysadmin virtue
 
7:21 PM
@LordofTime Obsessively so.
 
How long does it take for flags to be reviewed?
 
@CoreyWhitaker varies
 
I'm going to go outside into the "outside world"... I need grapes.
Goodbye.
 
7:22 PM
but the war against the little orange number by moderators will never end.
 
@Flabricorn later on
 
Sorry, ignorance.
 
np
 
@ObsessiveFOSS ignorance is bliss.
 
jrg
@LordofTime until it bites you.
 
7:34 PM
@jrg unless you know how to tame ignorance so it won't bite you.
once you know that, you are God.
 
jrg
That is a very difficult skill.
 
hence why you're God once you learn the skill
even then, ignorance in certain cases can still be bliss
 
if i at some point say/imply/state a little too much, somebody step up and tell me. i won't be upset.
 
@aking1012 you are implying that we care with that statement.
 
fair point
i more meant if i get out of line, i'm open to correction
 
7:38 PM
:P
 
7:55 PM
Bounty offered: How do Bugs get Categorized and what is the lifecycle of a bug? http://askubuntu.com/questions/153765/how-do-bugs-get-categorized-and-what-is-the-lifecycle-of-a-bug?atw=1 #bugreporting
 
8:30 PM
Of course there's nothing to do NOW but as soon as I have real work to do...
 
9:04 PM
^--- I've modified app listings on my website now to make room for screenshots.
Hmm... why are there two rows...
 
9:23 PM
@GeorgeEdison hey :D
 
How's it going?
(I've almost had it up to here with Flash.) Points to the ceiling.
 
LOL
I'm going great
Btw, I wanted to talk to you about OpenTracks
It's time to bring it to the level it deserves~!
puts on a cape and poses
 
I have to be honest, OpenTracks should probably be rewritten from scratch thanks to some poor design decisions I made.
 
Hmm
No problema
I don't know if I would be able to do the coding part (due to time management problems), but I would be happy to contribute models, promote it, etc.
 
(I cringe every time I think about the XML parsing code.)
 
9:28 PM
I think it deserves a place in the Ubuntu Software Center, along with repositories of models.
e_e XML is cringe worthy in general :P
 
Well, that's a long ways off :)
 
It's a long ways off - but it's a goal.
 
In fact, I'm wondering if Ogre 3D would be a better engine to use than Irrlicht.
 
If you have a goal, a community of developers will come. Then, the load will be off of you.
Ogre 3D is very complicated to use, but it is better than Irrlicht. (Its complicated nature is what made my game colonial stall lol).
(Just read the tutorials and your eyes go O_O after the first hundred lines of code)
 
Hmm...
Didn't 0 A.D. write their own 3D engine?
 
9:33 PM
AFAIK at least.
Yeah, but they had been working on that before it went Open Source for a few years.
 
I wonder how easy it would be to use.
 
It depends on a few things, including if they designed the game exclusively for RTS.
 
@LordofTime you're killing me bro with these half answers as comments
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Q: Webmin no longer works - connection rejected

OmeedI've had webmin installed on my 12.04 server and everything has been fine until recently. Now when I navigate to https:// myip:10000 I get a message saying the connection attempt is rejected. The last thing I did was set up a cron job to start utorrent webUI. I tried reinstalling but no change....

either leave an answer or don't, it sucks cleaning up all these half answer comment things
 
@JorgeCastro you missed @jrg giving the same rant
 
oh, lol
 
9:38 PM
75% of the time the half-answers are diagnostic steps
i.e.
if it fixes the problem i shift it to an answer
OTHERWISE i eventually get around to purging it, or leave it as a diagnostic "I did this thus far to try and fix" log
 
Unless you're linking somewhere else I don't see how it's possible to fit diagnostic steps in a comment
 
@JorgeCastro so saying for example "Try using $something to see if that fixes the problem" is a half-answer and you'd flag my comments?
i think you need to reexamine the purpose of comments
 
yes, most users have no idea what that means unless it's a link to an existing Q+A
 
95% of the time the step never works anyways
 
well, most users won't know what to do with "try something"
unless it's like "open a terminal, type this, do that."
 
jrg
10:04 PM
@aking1012: Don't suppose I'll see you at bsides Friday, will I?
 
10:20 PM
Hi all.
(Testing a userscript)
 
jrg
Howdy @RolandTaylor
 
Is there a userscript for the editor's toolkit anymore?
 
jrg
i don't think so
there is one for SU.
 
SU?
oh nvm
@GeorgeEdison Stack Applet can't show rep anymore, correct?
 
bob
10:48 PM
I lost my sound icon in 12.04 with unity 3d. How to set it back ? I know this question has been asked many times, but so far I didn't find any answer that solved my issue. For example, running gnome-sound-applet doesn't work.
 
Did you perform the rain dance?
 
bob
me?
 
Yes, you :)
 
bob
I have no webcam so my computer wouldn't know.
 
All hope is lost, I'm sorry.
Jk :)

I'm investigating the issue and I'll see if I can find a solution, just a minute :).
@bob Try running /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service.
 
bob
10:56 PM
I don't have that
no wait
sorry was a typo, I do have it
 
Did it work?
 
bob
ok I launched it, nothing happened
 
bob
oh actually
it did
 
Did this happen after logging out and in again?
 
bob
10:58 PM
it was delayed
 
Oh sweet :D
woo hoo
 
bob
I just logged out and back in
 
well if it persists, add that to your startup applications
 
bob
why would this require me to launch /usr/lib/indicator-sound/indicator-sound-service ?
 
It shouldn't
 
bob
10:59 PM
why would I need that
that's weird
 
You probably did something that knocked it out of commission.
 
bob
maybe
what could it have been
 
Which would mean you need to manually start it on startup or add it to your startup applications.
No clue what could have triggered it.
Plus I'm not an expert in that area, so if it persists, I'd suggest a bug report.
I gtg, btw. Glad I could help out ^_^!
 
bob
thanks
bye
 
Can you answer this? System hangs, unresponsive to SSH and webserver - kernel message: task X blocked f... http://askubuntu.com/questions/65881/system-hangs-unresponsive-to-ssh-and-webserver-kernel-message-task-x-blocked?atw=1 #server
 
11:04 PM
@RolandTaylor Not the latest version.
(That's in the PPA.)
 
11:16 PM
Whoah... output of running arb-lint on my app:
W: This app might be too big to be reviewed by the ARB. It has 69 source
   files and 10107 lines of code. This might serve as reply to the app
   submitter: We are sorry to inform you that this app is outside the scope
   of the App Review Board. Our focus is on lightweight apps. We are
   generally looking for the kind of apps which could be reviewed for
   functionality and security in about an hour reading through the code.
   wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages might suit you
10k lines of code???
I'm also seeing this, but I'm not surprised at all:
E: These files are outside opt/extras.ubuntu.com/nitroshare and shouldn't
   be:
   - usr/share/man/man1/nitroshare.1.gz
   - usr/share/pixmaps/nitroshare.svg
   - usr/share/nautilus-python/extensions/nitroshare.py
 
izx
11:38 PM
@GeorgeEdison: sorry, their scope starts at "Hello World" and ends at "Alarm Clock with Stopwatch". Thank you for playing.
PS: No man pages, custom icons or extensions will be accepted. ;)
 
i am back
 
bob
11:53 PM
how can I set ubuntu not to write a nbsp (but a normal space instead) when I type altgr+space ?
hello world
world, wake up !
 
too early in the morning for me.
 

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