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12:49 AM
Evening, everyone.
I'm logged into chat right now with my Kindle. (Public Wifi is awesome.)
 
izx
Evening evening.
 
I'm planning to release NitroShare 0.2 early tomorrow morning.
 
izx
@aking1012 Microsoft Bob returns (no, he still hasn't accepted any answers):
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Q: ubuntu no sound

bobAfter a power failure, I lost sound on every software (vlc, firefox, totem, ...) except for rhythmbox. The sound displayed when ubuntu starts worked too. I tried rebooting, repairing the filesystem (no errors found), but it's still the same.

@GeorgeEdison Great! Is that the version going into the showdown?
 
Yup.
...assuming nothing goes wroong.
*wrong
 
izx
Mobile view's not very fun, that way ;)
 
12:56 AM
It's even worse on a kindle :)
The delay between tapping a key and the letter appearing is annoying.
 
jrg
Welcome home to me.
 
izx
Get some coffee and power through, man!
 
Woah.
 
jrg
@izx already on it.
 
izx
:)
 
1:00 AM
@jrg: I was wondering if I could mention you in the about dialog of NitroShare to thank you for your help.
 
jrg
@GeorgeEdison I saw that, let me get to notification #10 to read the full details. ;P
 
Lol.
You must have been away for a while.
I sent that on Thursday.
 
jrg
@GeorgeEdison ok, the answer is yes, and "James Gifford" works fine. :)
Yeah, I left eeeaarrrlyy thursday morning.
like 4AM your time.
 
I've actually been away since Friday myself... so I understand.
I wouldn't be here right now were it not for my Kindle.
 
jrg
Ok, all cleaned up.
@JustinAndrusk So, you're hanging out here huh?
 
1:08 AM
I wonder how easy it is to write COM servers in Python...
I wonder if it's even possibe.
 
jrg
It's python. Anything is possible. No idea what a COM server is though. :P
 
It's a Windows thing.
 
izx
^^^ that (anything is possible in python)
 
jrg
You know you should have used a <p> tag when the text wraps on a 20" display.
 
izx
As one poor poster (in)aptly put it recently, Quickly really is the devil's spawn:
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Q: All special dependencies are lost when I do "quickly share"

AgmenorI am developing an app using Quickly and it has a few dependencies like 'python-xdg' for example. When I do quickly share on a computer that has Ubuntu 12.04 without Pre-released updates (precise-proposed), those dependencies are well reflected in ./debian/control. But when I launch this command...

 
1:15 AM
Qt FTW.
 
jrg
I've never liked it. Granted, I'm used to more "mature" frameworks like rails.
 
izx
Frameworks are nice when they haven't been strung together from twigs and twine.
 
One of these days I need to learn RPM packaging.
 
izx
From the looks of the questions, it appears they would have been better off just writing a tutorial on how to package for Debian once the Quickly/Glade/PyGTK part was over.
 
jrg
And right now, Quickly is. I'll give it a year or two to mature before I'll pass judgement.
 
1:19 AM
But this is not that day.
 
izx
I'd be willing to cut it a little more slack if it had been tested better before making it the lynchpin of such a high-profile "showdown"
 
Quickly wasn't a requirement.
 
jrg
But they pushed it so hard it might as well have been one.
 
It was at the start.
 
jrg
Well, I'm all caught up. Cya around folks. Time to get some sleep.
 
izx
1:22 AM
Later.
 
jrg
@GeorgeEdison yeah I know. Just saying, that they didn't really mention the alternatives. It was "Use quickly :D"
 
izx
Well, initially it was "use ONLY quickly" before they decided to let the adults in and allow Qt/C++
 
MyApps does recommend Qt Creator though... somewhere.
 
jrg
And it's the "somewhere" that is the problem. I don't mind them pushing Quickly, I just mind them not bringing up say, Qt/roll-your-own-python/C++/Vala/$LANGUAGE. But, that's their choice, and I respect it. I disagree, but I respect it. Their competition, their rules and choices.
 
1:27 AM
Same here. As long as they support whatever it is.
 
izx
Well not really, but the BIG PR push has been for Quickly. Apart from George Edison, the non-quickly questions for app showdown can be counted on one hand. The odd dbus question, etc.
 
:)
There is one other Qt app.
I think it's an audio player of some sort.
To make things confusing, Qt has a JavaScript framework named Quick.
 
izx
It's the like all the RAD tools are now QAD tools ;)
 
1:54 AM
Can you answer this? Why do I recieve multiple warnings of "No running instance of xfce4-panel was found... http://askubuntu.com/questions/50984/why-do-i-recieve-multiple-warnings-of-no-running-instance-of-xfce4-panel-was-fo?atw=1 #login
 
izx
2:17 AM
^^^ One upvote needed on CW answer to "close" this question which OP solved in the comments.
 
done
@mateosalta Y U NO fanatic?
 
@izx A number of people have had this problem. Your solution seems obvious, but I feel like I've glossed over it and gone to more complex suggestions like changing GRUB's video mode. I'm very glad to see your answer. Do you know if this is the first time someone has asked this question explicitly?
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Q: Why does my screen blank out for the duration of the Grub boot menu?

hushsUpon booting, when I should see the GRUB menu, my monitor simply says: "No optimum mode. Recommended mode: 1600*1200". If I wait for a short while, Ubuntu starts to boot and it reaches the desktop. So I guess there is no video signal during that time, there's the grub menu but I cant see it and...

 
izx
2:33 AM
@EliahKagan Yes, had two questions within the last 24 hours; a lot of folks don't expect to see Grub menu (hidden/quiet).
 
@izx Is there a good canonical question for this? Should it be that one?
 
izx
@EliahKagan I was thinking about that, and I'd go with that one. I'll edit to add a mention of dual-boot somewhere, that's the problem long-winded German lady had; that's the other common circumstance when you'd see the Grub menu by default.
 
@jokerdino fanatic? what do you mean?
 
that cool badge that you get when you visit the site 100 days consecutively.
 
99, almost
 
2:41 AM
oh, so you are getting it tomorrow then.
 
I almost missed it with the power thing last monday, had to login at mcdonalds.
 
ouch. am glad you didn't miss it =)
and so, the power thing is sorted out right?
 
izx
Someone needs to tell her it's all @Sathya's fault ;)
 
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hmm i get it :)
 
2:46 AM
well... this ascii art thing I'm not quite getting it yet.
 
izx
See, syslinux (livecd bootloader) has this really nice hardware-info module. Perhaps Ubuntu should use it and automatically enable nomodeset when an Nvidia graphics card is detected.
For those who missed it, here's Linus on Nvidia (time-limited edition)
 
Seen it become a meme :)
 
izx
We need to be adding it to the footer of every black screen question.
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hehe
 
aw, I came back too late...
 
2:51 AM
Linus has some nice things to say about Nvidia.
 
izx
@mateo_salta Search youtube for linus nvidia and there you have it.
 
Hello
 
yo!
 
izx
@Dave Hey Dave! Speaking of nvidia, here's an ATI refugee
 
2:53 AM
:))
yeah
 
heh
 
I wanted to ask there one more question, but is better here on live chat
seen your though 'bout catalyst
can I use catalyst for switch cards even if my ati driver isn't supported?
 
@izx that's the way to do it. I have via unichrome, too bad they dropped support back at version 9 for my card.
 
izx
I would take a Trident 9000 SVGA over Nvidia if I didn't have Intel HD to fall back on:
@Dave No, you'd have to use vgaswitcheroo (if it works), BUT Catalyst will at least solve your temperature/overheating problem
 
@izx ooooh, 16-bit That would play the original Sim City!
 
3:17 AM
@izx Going to sleep, 5:17am here. Today I'll try vga switcheroo and will let you know the result. Thanks and cya
 
3:34 AM
@izx: what ancient relic did you pull that out of? and what interface? ;p
 
looks like ISA to me
 
ahh ISA according to wikipedia ;p
 
This question is almost certainly not answerable in its current form:
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Q: Slow transfer to USB on 12.04

user75863I installed 12.04, patched up to the latest, but transfers to USB 2.0 thumb drive take too long and consumes a lot of CPU. The same drive works fine on Windows using the same USB port, though. PS: Answers that include more steps than downloading and double clicking a file will not be accepted.

 
3:59 AM
hmm, indeed even without the only double clicking a file answers
 
izx
4:12 AM
With convenience, comes price ;) [cw'd to allow protest voting]
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A: Slow transfer to USB on 12.04

izxHere's an even simpler answer. All it requires is picking up the phone: Canonical Support

@JourneymanGeek ISA, picture straight from Wikimedia. But I had that exact model c. 1994-95
 
Gaming on Linux sucks.
That is all.
 
nice @izx maybe the link could take right to the desktop support shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=667 and maybe quote the phone support line.
 
izx
@mateo_salta Great, thanks -- no need for phone, "one-click" now ;)
 
lol, I want a magic make my usb go faster program!
 
izx
With one-click you can get that too (and a new mobo, and the software doesn't work on Linux, but I digress...)
 
4:30 AM
hmmm, interesting.
 
izx
It's a piece of crap, more or less.
 
lol
I think i have a spare AGP card
 
what?
long and arcane... he hasn't seen anything yet.
 
izx
Well I don't really know anybody more senior on the support team... ;)
 
4:57 AM
is there a way to make the copy progress bar show real progress? http://askubuntu.com/questions/161393/is-there-a-way-to-make-the-copy-progress-bar-show-real-progress?atw=1 #nautilus
 
o/ all
 
well.. at least he is very descriptive, @izx
hi @aking1012
 
sabdfl won't land Canonical One for a nvidia driver question.
 
@msPeachy so you're pleased with the tennis outcome or not?
 
5:02 AM
not a fan of both players, but it was one of the finest finals I've seen. Roger is classic. Andy was great too.
 
@izx when someone is so obviously irritated, it makes wanting to help them hard. also a warning on refresh rate, a weird monitor type, and a nvidia 2d/3d speaks to a relatively ancient video card (where blob glitches on 3d) or a new one with optimus. just too many variables for a one sitting answer imo
 
I think the best aproach would have being wiping out grub and letting him get back to windows, and take some time to figure out how to restore grub and drivers later. Although not relly on topic.. sortof.
 
5:19 AM
with the "bizarre squashed screen" it sort of makes me wonder if it's his monitor doing something weird scaling its video to it's initial resolution...maybe up/down arrowing to get the grub menu to pause and power cycling the monitor to get it to probe again (long-shot i know)
 
I think this newer question...
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Q: cannot use sudo command

vinhere's how I messed up my ubuntu, I wanted to change file permissions of '/usr' folder and did by taking root privilege sudo -i I changed the file permission and logged back to my home user, but now I am not able to use 'sudo' command, I tried to change the permissions back by using chown a...

...should be duped to this older question:
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Q: How to get back SUDO into working condition?

user182195I enetered chmod -R 777 /usr/bin and now sudo is not working. it is giving error that 'sudo must be setuid root'. On looking into google few advice said that chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo chmod 4755 /usr/bin/sudo On entering chown root:root /usr/bin/sudo it is showing 'opened in readonly mode'...

 
agreed. i'm not sure why people feel they need to chmod close to root-level folders...
 
izx
5:36 AM
There needs to be a canonical Q/A on using a LiveCD to simply restore the stock permissions of critical system files/folders. @aking1012: not just chmod but chmod -R!?
 
yeah...i saw that.
 
@izx You can do that by running chmod with pkexec, too. Just like you don't actually need to reboot to fix broken sudoers, you don't actually need to reboot to change permissions (provided you are an administrator, and PolicyKit is installed).
 
izx
If you read to the end of that loooong post (and I only know because I remember when that part was close to the beginning ;) she's running on an ancient GeF 6150 with an ancient 15" LCD. Jockey drivers are incompat, and the textmode fix worked, but XP won't boot. And yes, too big a data dump to process in one question, that too non-interactively.
 
@izx Of course, it's possible to break both sudo and PolicyKit (or just the pkexec executable), plus you might make yourself not-an-administrator. Plus, PolicyKit is generally not present on Ubuntu Server systems. So booting from live media to fix permissions or sudoers is also a very important thing to be able to do.
 
izx
@EliahKagan, ah yes. If you havent already you should do a tutorial type QA on using pkexec.
Anyone purporting to administrate a CLI server who is upto such shenanigans should stick to IIS
Is there an official "welcome, switchers" page/portal that advises people who want to try Ubuntu for the very first time ever on what to do? Eg on Windows, try Wubi first NOT dual-boot so that you still have Win as a backup? Etc.
 
5:46 AM
boo @ wubi first line. virtualbox or bust and a note that you will have trouble migrating (redhat pulled their vdi v2p and p2v project...it was in the public domain once).
 
izx
Found it:
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Q: pkexec vs. gksu/gksudo

Eliah KaganThere are two general ways to run applications graphically as root (or, more generally, as another user). Programs like gksu, gksudo, and kdesudo are graphical frontends for sudo. In contrast, pkexec is a graphical frontend for PolicyKit. When manually running programs as root (or as another, no...

 
izx
6:10 AM
@aking1012 Virtualization is voodoo for most. Wubi is great to "try" Ubuntu, IMHO. I agree that there needs to be a disclaimer NOT to make it your main system or use it heavily unless you know of the caveats; and better to install it dual-boot or solo if you decide to "buy" after you "try"....
 
@izx i take your point. i suppose i make unfair assumptions about minimum human computer skill level.
 
izx
I'm often guilty of that myself...
 
do you know if there's a way to mute specific applications?
it seems like i should be able to do that in pavucontrol, but i haven't tested it
 
izx
@aking1012 Wow...I know I did it in alsa/esound way back when...don't know that much about the pulseaudio source/sink business, but yes, intuitively you should be able to...
I'd ask a question -- the explosion in HDMI/HomeTheater means there are a lot of pavucontrol/pa gurus around...
 
fair point. i'm going to take a look at it first. i really prefer asking something i already know the answer to...
 
izx
6:20 AM
LOL! (Ideally, me too) I need to break my system more often so I can ask rep-farmy-popular questions :D
prays to the Linux gods to cause his Nvidia desktop to black-screen, or for lightdm login to fail, etc.
 
anyone that rage-quits linux should donated their aged hardware to an AU/Ubuntu user-group so someone could "I can touch the keyboard" troubleshoot it. (I've even refused friends when I can't touch the keyboard)
 
izx
I learned that the hard way over the years, telling folks "Sorry, no can help remotely. If you want that, ask me what hardware/sw to buy the next time you upgrade and then I can try to help." (both Win/Lin)
 
Agreed.
 
6:45 AM
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Q: Is application-development a useful tag?

flutefluteIt seems a bit of a meta tag to me. But I can also see some desire to keep it (I have used it myself!)

 
7:00 AM
Good Day All
 
o/
 
Should this be closed as too localized?
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Q: Ubuntu and T-Mobile Samsung Exhibit II 4G Firmware Update

djpuritySamsung's Kies does not work with Linux or Ubuntu. I have Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit and I have been able to use Air Kies and my USB cable to connect to my Samsung Exhibit II 4G phone (not the same as the Samsung Exhibit S II or Exhibit II S phone! No S!!) and access all the information on it. However, ...

 
Do I like it? no. Do I think it should be closed OT? no.
 
k
 
8:00 AM
When would yum be of use to an Ubuntu user? http://askubuntu.com/questions/161437/when-would-yum-be-of-use-to-an-ubuntu-user?atw=1 #packagemanagement
 
8:14 AM
Good morning.
I want to know, whether it is allowed to use images from other website in your answers?
 
8:26 AM
i am back and awake! \o/
@AnwarShah upload it to imgur if you are going to do so.
 
The screenshots aren't mine.
 
@AnwarShah: Usually giving credit to the source works
 
@JourneymanGeek, thanks.
 
@mitch apt-get clean all is no better than apt-get clean
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Q: How do "apt-get clean" and "apt-get clean all" differ?

Eliah KaganWhat, if anything, is the difference between this command: sudo apt-get clean And this command: sudo apt-get clean all On my Lubuntu 12.04 system, simulating these commands reveals their behavior to be exactly the same: ek@Apok:~$ apt-get -s clean NOTE: This is only a simulation! apt...

 
@jokerdino what? :)
 
8:38 AM
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A: Gnome Shell got removed after updating Ubuntu 12.04

MitchJust press Ctrl+Alt+T on your keyboard to open Terminal. When it opens, run the commands below. sudo apt-get autoremove sudo apt-get clean all sudo apt-get update Once you do that, then you can run: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell

 
@jokerdino Done. Thanks :)
 
:)
askubuntu.com/q/161378/25798 shopping-reco is off-topic. Close?
 
8:56 AM
@jokerdino is it?
 
faq says so
This is not the right place for:
    Shopping Recommendations
 
well, "how well would Ubuntu run in X hardware?" != "Recommend me hardware to run Ubuntu!", correct me if wrong
 
perhaps.
but it is my opinion that it doesn't make a great question.
it can still be closed as not constructive.
 
let the votes begin! :)
 
9:22 AM
totally unrelated awesome Dutch craziness: Skrillex a capella revamp!
 
how do i check ntfs in ubuntu?
 
what?
install ntfs-3g or something
 
i still can't boot into Ubuntu. It starts loading with the Ubuntu logo and the small dots underneath but after a few minutes the dots would stop moving and stay that way for almost an hour! I can move the mouse pointer but that's it. nothing happens. I've already run fsck on the Ubuntu root partition and everything was fixed.
 
sounds familiar
try with an older kernel or something?
 
i did that already, it would suddenly stop loading on boot. I was thinking maybe it was because of the NTFS partitions. So I wanted to see if there's a way to check ntfs partitions while running Ubuntu liveCD
 
9:30 AM
@BrunoPereira acapellas are awesome!!
@msPeachy no idea
 
@msPeachy open a q and include details in it.
@jokerdino its delicious!
 
izx
@msPeachy yay (fsck); boot with nomodeset
 
tried ntfsfix and it returns NTFS partition /dev/sda5 was processed successfully.
 
@BrunoPereira man, that acapella was really nice. they pulled it off quite well.
@msPeachy boot with nomodeset
 
@jokerdino I know yo!
 
9:36 AM
yo!
 
@jokerdino how do i do that?
 
edit grub parameter
 
but how
don't know how to edit grub
 
on grub menu, press e and you will end up in a command line.
edit grub there
 
what should i edit when i get there?
 
9:37 AM
good question
you see, i have a tendency to say random things at random moments. ;D
 
is there a way to edit fstab of my Ubuntu partition with the LiveCD? i mean would the changes be saved on the original ubuntu root partition?
 
izx
No. LiveCd doesn't use grub. See here askubuntu.com/questions/160963/…
 
i mean the fstab
i would remove the automount of the NTFS partitions maybe that's what causing the freeze on boot
 
izx
You can edit your actual fstab once in LiveCD yes. LiveCD doesn't have an fstab of its own, really.
To find freeze on boot open new q and Pastebin dmesg /var/log/kern.log /var/log/syslog; see below if not sure how to pastebin:
Pastebin howto (mine): askubuntu.com/questions/152371/…
 
would i be able to access this log with a liveCD? because I can't boot into ubuntu.
 
izx
9:48 AM
You just said you fixed Ubuntu boot with LiveCD, just that it takes very log to boot?
Please update Q or start a new one....
 
no i said i was able to boot to a liveCD, because last night when I was here I was asking advice about not being able to boot with a liveCD, since I was using liveUSB you told me to burn it to a CD-R
 
izx
So once you booted the LiveCD...you ran the fsck?
 
yes i did...sudo fsck /dev/sda2
 
izx
...
 
it was fixed...i mean the ext4 Ubuntu root partition was fixed but I still can't boot into Ubuntu
 
izx
9:52 AM
Pastebin sudo frisk -l output please
 
fdisk?
 
izx
*fdisk
iOS autocorrect sorry
 
gcc
I have one mdvr. I want install kernel to this device. How can I do that ?
 
Disk /dev/sda: 320.1 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders, total 625142448 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xb30ab30a

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 51283967 25640960 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda2 51283968 156149759 52432896 83 Linux
/dev/sda3 156151807 625121152 234484673 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
 
izx
That's a lot of NTFS partitions. What happens when you try to boot now? Initramfs should be fixed.
I mean what's the new error?
Is that a 1004 LiveCD?
 
9:58 AM
yes because I was a Windows fan back then and I never tried changing the fs since I have important data there...
when I boot, nothing happens
Ubuntu starts to load and it just stays like that for a very very long time
this is 12.04 liveCD
 
blergh
 
izx
I mean you get the grub menu, right?
 
@jokerdino what?
yes grub menu appears
and i can select from different kernels
 
@msPeachy oops, it was supposed to be my tweet. typed in the wrong place :-)
 
it just taking a long time to boot and I simply cannot wait for a very long time for it to finally get to the desktop, last night I've waited for almost an hour but still I didn't get to the desktop
I even just let it on and I went to sleep when I woke up it was still loading....don't know what is wrong...so I'm not sure if Ubuntu can't boot or what....I might as well run on LiveCD than wait for hours
 
izx
10:05 AM
Boot into text mode then. Press e as jokerdino explained at grub boot menu. Then replace quiet splash at the end with the word text. Press ctrl-x to boot.
@msPeachy, what was the fsck output?
NARQ alert!
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Q: Web Server Security Responsibility Request

Aubrey BourkeJust want to suggest that it would be great to see a Responsible Web Server Module built into the Layered(ring) security design of Linux. We hear all the time about Security, Portabilty, Usabilty, Maintainabilty, etc of Systems. Which is essential for good design. But the main reason being withou...

 
gcc
Ok. Forget my first question. How can I install Ubuntu 10.04 to a device which is connected to my computer ?
 
izx
What is this device? Please ask a question with complete details and then we can follow up in chat as necessary.
 
gcc
dvd video recorder.
Sorry, I forget to say.
 
izx
Please ask a question with model number, manufacturer, how it is connected to your computer (USB, serial, parallel, etc.)
 
10:26 AM
this is beyond crazy
@izx this is a dupe too.
 
izx
10:43 AM
@jokerdino Aha! I finally get to test my native-language-nag theory!
 
heh nice xD
 
^-- truth
@izx i always enjoy how you always only bring the very clear dupe/narqs to room attention
 
izx
The rest I dump in Regulators ;)
 
i be having dinner
 
izx
@jokerdino Bon appetit! Do you guys have a communal, mess-like thing, or is it bring-your-own-food?
 
11:03 AM
Documents stored on separate internal drive, Ubuntu doesn't notice on startup http://askubuntu.com/questions/161459/documents-stored-on-separate-internal-drive-ubuntu-doesnt-notice-on-startup?atw=1 #homedirectory
 
izx
Self-declared newbie asks: How do I install Yum, Portage or Pacman package managers? <wallbang>
 
o/ @BrunoPereira - haven't seen you around in a while
 
Was in Poland for a few days (work)
 
@izx I would advise against you can't. Someone pointed out the other day that yum might be in universe
maybe "in theory you could, but it's almost a universally bad idea and will cause many more problems than it could potentially solve"
 
izx
@aking1012 That's right, it is -- I added that to make Q a little more canonical, will edit as suggested.
 
11:14 AM
upgoat
 
izx
This is gonna be fun: Ubuntu countdown says App Showdown end is sometime after 23:59 UTC July 9; dpm says end is 00:01 UTC July 9, and a Google Plus event somewhere says end is 12:00 UTC or something....
 
on the other one that asked why would you install yum, i thought about weighing in with something like "to get rpm or srpm to feed to alien" and yes...i take your point
 
izx
@aking1012 Thx. Agreed with ^^^; it's often a good idea to divine OP's intentions when presented with such questions, but I think it's best for OP to reply (if at all) rather than create a meta-discussion.
 
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A: When would yum be of use to an Ubuntu user?

aking1012I would stay away from multiple package managers. The only viable use case I could see for installing yum would be to get rpm or srpm packages to feed to alien in a more streamlined fashion without resorting to something like rpmbone.

I decided to weigh in
 
@izx sort of communal. something like folks having dinner in Harry Potter.
 
11:21 AM
That's what he meant by mess. Mess-hall is a pseudo-military term meaning something like cafeteria
 
@BrunoPereira Yeah watching Euro football. You cheeky mod!
 
@izx I thought deb was based on ar not tar?
 
@aking1012 well yes then.
 
izx
@aking1012 no, it's tar -- you can use dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile to extract, but I prefer p7zip's simplicity....
 
oh...okay. i'ld just seen an example of extracting with ar. learn something new every day i guess
if there were a valley where unicorns lived it would look something like this:
 
izx
11:26 AM
lol....
meant to say that 7z x blah.deb gives you nice filesystem.tar and control.tar archives (on Linux); 7z on Windows will gobble control info and just give you a filesystem.tar
 
ah. well that makes sense i suppose.
 
izx
Cheeky package-manager OP comments on all answers: "Actually, we can. I just couldn't understand the contents of this guide"
I have half a mind to change title to "How do I convert Ubuntu into Gentoo" and let OT closegoats take care of it ;)
 
@jokerdino I wish!
 
Yeah yeah. you going to Poland for work during Euro. ;-)
 
@izx - my reply to the cheeky comment:

Well...while you CAN install them, the target of AU is to provide useful/meaninful answers as community support. As such, we stay away from highly custom things that will in all probability break stuff *e.g. custom kernels, mixing package managers, and from source installation*
 
11:31 AM
custom kernels must die [on Ask Ubuntu.]
 
izx
@jokerdino No, they have their uses as long as you know what you're doing...
 
agreed. and we go back to something like my 7 star comment. if you have to ask, maybe you shouldn't be doing it. it'ld be like asking how to change a tire then wanting to rebuild a car engine
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izx
@aking1012 Agreed, I give up on that Q though. As Jorge was telling me earlier today, just gotta shrug at these things and move on, if you get embroiled in things you won't survive.
 
fair point
i just saw the new demo on pseudo-rigid-body physics (think vehicles) they're integrating in to cryengine 3. really amazing stuff
 
izx
Nice. Which reminds me, are those PhysX accelerator cards still around, or did Nvidia just integrate into their drivers/GPU and kill those off?
 
11:40 AM
afaik it's integrated in to the gpu (and when it was around you couldn't use physx and an ati vid card iirc)
^---should be treated as purely memory based speculation
 
it's in GPU, plus you can use a lower spec GPU as a dedicated PhyX card
 
thx @Sathya
 
izx
Ah, blame thanks @Sathya
 
edit it to blames and i'll star it ;P
 
if Sathya still enjoys it, we can do it everyday :P
 
11:43 AM
jah. if it upsets him i wouldn't
 
lol
 
NOTICE: Ubuntu App showdown deadline is over~
Darn, i wish I can pin it all over the Internet.
 
If they'ld post a page-link on the developer portal to probable finalists it might get through to the media powers of the inter-tubes
I wonder if @Agmenor ever finished his YT download app...so many UI difficulties he had, but didn't want to do the worker code first... cli app with all the worker classes first, then snap-on a UI was always my idea of a design pattern
 
izx
If I were a naive-ish contestant, I might be pissed at this if I'd relied on it (countdown clock on AppShowdown page showed ~24 more hours). "Until July 9th" is very ambiguous, and "00:01 UTC $day+1 " is never a good deadline time, "23:59 UTC $day" is...
 
If you were going to scrape over the deadline by 5 minutes, you probably weren't going to win anyway
 
izx
11:59 AM
Fair point (says an often all-night last-minuter)
 
Hey, that's my line.
 

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