Ask Ubuntu General Room

htorque

06:02

g'day

Oli

Morning

htorque

so, jrg and marco are ubuntu members now?

George Edison

@htorque Yup.

htorque

sweet

Oli

And time-allowing, I'll apply on the 1st November

Hopefully with a few other EMEA-based Ask Ubuntu people.

htorque

06:15

and you are sure 33000 rep are sufficient? ;D

@Oli chat.stackexchange.com/users/4810/oli

»AskUbuntu« moderator? :P

George Edison

Wow... NAT (network address translation) is something else altogether.

htorque

did i miss the spammers?

Oli

Would you believe me if I told you there was a character limit on that input when I first filled that out?

You missed a lot of spam, yeah

htorque

@Oli sure! :)

oh nooooooo :-(

("no" on "i missed it" and "no" on "i missed gaining flag weight from it")

do other SE sites see the same raise in spam?

Oli

It was good spam too. Today's was trying to sell us all some bedding (as well as bags, watches and gold for WoW)

George Edison

06:22

Good old "Rolecks" :)

htorque

i love my shiny golden rollex

George Edison

06:59

Night all.

FlackBot

Goodbye!

htorque

@GeorgeEdison cya

George Edison

@FlackBot: Goodnight.

FlackBot

See you later, George Edison.

George Edison

likes it personal.

Questions Feed

07:20

Bounty offered: How can I get dual pivot monitors working with nvidia? http://askubuntu.com/questions/67805/how-can-i-get-dual-pivot-monitors-working-with-nvidia #nvidia

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 21, 2011 at 7:06 AM

brunopereira81

07:37

hallo

htorque

09:35

oh, swag seems to have arrived. but i only got a yellow card, meaning "i'm too lazy to deliver, the idiot should get the package himself tomorrow." >:O

Oli

10:05

Argl the flags

Although I have to say, @htorque, you make dealing with a whole load of flags a lot easier. Thank you for leaving comments everywhere :)

Questions Feed

10:21

Can you answer this? How to enable experimental rounded corners? http://askubuntu.com/questions/68269/how-to-enable-experimental-rounded-corners #compiz

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on October 21, 2011 at 10:06 AM

htorque

@Oli i only do it because i have the auto-message script :P

it's really no work - three clicks and it's done.

ajmitch

@htorque lucky you

@Oli cheesy answer :P

Oli

10:38

@ajmitch :)

I was going to go for "That's a really excellent question Oli - everybody should be voting for it!"

ajmitch

9

A: How to create a meta-package that automatically installs other packages?

A meta-package like this can be created with a tool called equivs which will create a package with just dependency information. First, create a directory: mkdir my-metapackage cd my-metapackage/ Now run the program: equivs-control ns-control It will create a file called ns-control, open t...

cough

Oli

Oh boo.

ajmitch

there are a few questions around about equivs

Oli

Yours has a broken image link in it. deletes

ajmitch

3

A: How to trick apt dependencies?

For where you're actually providing the dependency, I'd use checkinstall to do the installation. checkinstall basically replaces make install and generates a proper .deb package and then installs that. Not only does that allow you to remove or upgrade the package in a better way (when the time co...

hey, look who answered that one

the image link isn't broken for me - I still see the package icon

Oli

10:40

Yeah I'm still not sure how that works.

ajmitch

so you're asking & answering a question that you've previously answered yourself ;)

Oli

Yeah I'm good like that. I'm almost certain I've done it before then too. Every 6 months or so I'll answer a question about equivs.

ajmitch

I need to answer a few more packaging questions this weekend I think

Oli

I'm just wondering which questions I should close as a duplicate of which others.

Obviously my new one should die in a burning car

ajmitch

I've got a long list of tasks to complete

Amith KK

10:43

Hello all

ajmitch

Good evening

Oli

@ajmitch you won that battle but war is a long and tricky path.

I'll get you next time.

ajmitch

@Oli I'm the poor struggling volunteer at the mercy of the moderators here

Have pity on me

Oli

(aka I considered your post better than either of my attempts so will close any dupes against that one)

Amith KK

Congratulations!!!! @jrg @MarcoCeppi

Oli

10:47

I also improved the tags a bit on the question so hopefully auto-searches will find it before people write the questions.

ajmitch

just looking at the latest lightdm guest session post

not sure if askubuntu.com/questions/70169/… is a dupe of askubuntu.com/questions/62564/… or not

Oli

We must have a billion of those.

ajmitch

they're both about the guest session

yeah, no doubt :)

askubuntu.com/search?q=lightdm+guest shows more than a few to clean up

Oli

It's amazing that the title-search doesn't pick those out dupes. You would have thought that as soon as "disable lightdm guest" was typed in 200 duplicate questions would pop right up.

Or it does and people just ignore them, like they ignore the "Are you sure this is an answer and not a 'me-too'?" page that new users are forced through.

ajmitch

Can I add two separate answers to a question? :)

or should I just update the one answer to include the other information

Oli

10:52

Stupid people. Site would be a lot tidier if we had fewer people and more robots like Jorgescript and if everybody just fewer problems too.

@ajmitch If they're vastly different, separate them out.

ajmitch

I'll try & be robot-like

Oli

If one is just a continuation of the other or a slight deviation, add to it.

ajmitch

14

A: How do I put a package into the Ubuntu repositories?

See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU for details on getting new packages in - but be aware that there are a lot of packages awaiting review there, and it can be sometimes easier to get packages in via Debian, where they can benefit even more people. For Ubuntu, you can ask people for re...

has info about getting into universe, and via debian

I want to add an answer for submitting via the ARB

1

A: Will applications in the software center receive updates of new versions?

New versions of applications can be provided after they have made it into the development release by backports. This repository is enabled by default in 11.10, but it is not an automatic update for packages that you have installed. Backports are built & tested mainly by volunteers, and there...

that one is semi-related, but for stable versions

not really the same question though

Amith KK

I can haz transcript of membership?

Oli

If we're talking about the first question, edit it. They're both right options and you can't accept two answers.

ajmitch

10:58

@AmithKK irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/10/21/%23ubuntu-meeting.html

Oli

I know that goes against what I just said but I had a slightly different example in mind that worked better with two competing answers.

ajmitch

@Oli alright

I might leave it until the morning though, midnight now :)

Oli

Pah, I've been up for 30 hours!

2

ajmitch

yes but you're mad

2

Oli

True enough

Oxwivi

11:01

Yeah, @Oli, you're only second J Castro.

ajmitch

But does he love the metal?

Oli

I've been debugging his code all night. He got stuck in a loop and edited the same question over and over again at around 400 edits per minute. Had to take him offline and see what was up.

ajmitch

that's a bit slow

Amith KK

IT IS TIME TO GO CRAZY ANSWERING Q's

Oli

Yeah the site's servers aren't fast enough to let him run at full capacity so I have him looking for aliens the rest of the time.

Amith KK

11:04

Later

ajmitch

1

A: How do I use a Launchpad recipe for patching and building an original package?

Yes, you should indeed create a new branch derived from the vim Bazaar branch on Launchpad (lp:ubuntu/vim), and commit your patch to that branch. As long as there are no conflicts when merging, the recipe will merge the two branches when one of them changes, and rebuild. This means that if there...

deserves more upvotes - jelmer is one of the LP developers & works on bzr as well

Oli

@ajmitch I'll give him a small bounty in 24 hours (when it'll let me award it)

ajmitch

@Oli awesome, thanks

Oli

Just a "welcome to the site, stay awesome"

jrg

Oh yeah, speaking of which, I've got a bounty that's about to end...

Amith KK

11:11

@jrg Hi, Congrats :)

Oli

@jrg It has more than 24 hours on it? Bug me about it tomorrow and I'll refund it if you're still not getting anywhere.

jrg

My draft testimonial for @Oli that will never get onto his wikipage:P

"He likes kittens, which is a good thing, and hates spam (rolex watches on Ask Ubuntu anyone?)."

@Oli Ok,

@AmithKK Thanks! :)

Oli

Right I'm going to bed. I've been being awesome for far too long. Night all.

ajmitch

@Oli ok, thanks :)

2

Q: How can I add my application to the Ubuntu repository?

I've just made a project called tgames and want to add it at the ubuntu repository... (multiverse or universe or anything) Can I do this or should I create a ppa???

I voted to close that as a dupe, I hope that's ok :)

jrg

/me votes to close as dupe

ajmitch

11:20

Since I was just editing the answer on the other one to make it more generic

Amith KK

0

A: Adding a virtual screen to xorg.conf 11.04 (third display over vnc)

There is a vnc module for X that can be installed which will provide the native :0 X display when connecting remotely with the vncviewer. Install the "vnc4server" package (universe). This will provide "/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libvnc.so" (The vnc.so module for VNC 4.1.2 was changed fro...

^ is my answer correct?

ajmitch

I don't know enough about VNC & I try & avoid X configuration these days, so I don't know :)

too many bad memories of editing X configs, from when modelines had to be just right

Amith KK

ajmitch

Yep, that's pretty much true :)

jrg

11:46

@AmithKK looks right to me.

I love staying away from Xorg.conf.

Oxwivi

I love never having touched xorg.conf.

htorque

masterig the xorg.conf isn't that hard. you just need to read 3000 pages of documentation. :P

Oxwivi

@htorque Pay me a dollar for each page, I'll consider it. :D

Firefox for Android is getting a native UI: wiki.mozilla.org/Fennec/NativeUI

Linux users should lobby for native GTK and Qt UI as well!

jrg

@Oxwivi Only consider it? I'd do it in a heartbeat. :P

Amith KK

0

A: Set up two identical USB printers

You must be looking for Printer classes (No, not school) Firstly disconnect both the printers. Open "Printing" and you will be presented with such a window: Press the Plus and select Class: Create a new class: Add the right printer to this class: Repeat this process again for the other ...

Oxwivi

11:59

@jrg Consider what?

jrg

Reading the 3K pages of Xorg docs. :D

@AmithKK Playing around eh?

Printers are the devil.

Amith KK

@jrg You've given me FIRE!

nvm

5

Q: How to 'Expo' One Big Wall with Dual Monitors

With Dual Monitors, when I use the Expo, it clones repeating itself in each monitor. With 10.10 I solved this with the option 'One Big Wall' but this doesn't work on 11.04 I have a nvidia 560Ti with proprietary drivers.

11.04 compiz nvidia multiple-monitors

tell him to use

Oxwivi

@jrg Oh. You replied to the line about native UIs instead of the xorg, so I was confused. Anyway, yes consider, because 3K pages will also need a substantial commitment and willpower. >.<

Amith KK

the 10.10 ver of compiz

jrg

@Oxwivi you're talking to the guy who read the HTML5 spec for fun. :P

(well, almost all of it. Had to leave before I was able to finish the last couple pages)

Amith KK

12:03

@Oxwivi Give me 3*10⁶ of $ and i'd do it

Oxwivi

@jrg You seem to have a lot of free time. You had some sort of interest in it, at least?

@AmithKK If it's that much, not much to consider. I'd gladly do it.

But seriously, RHCE seems much easier than the whole xorg.

jrg

@Oxwivi Yeah, I had time and motivation. :D

Amith KK

@Oxwivi We're kids, What'd you expect

But Weirdly He has MORE time than me

Oxwivi

Well, without interest and motivation it is more difficult.

@AmithKK He has 25 hours a day, what did you expect?

jrg

@Oxwivi Only The Jorge has 25 hours in a day.

Oxwivi

12:05

(one more hour from another dimension he discovered when reading Einestein's theory of relativity)

Amith KK

In C++

doesent 255+1=1?(when its an int)

Oxwivi

@jrg Nah, his time is beyond our calculation.

jrg

@AmithKK Remember that project I was playing around with, and how the green header was giving me headaches?

I found the reason why all greens look hideous.

Oxwivi

@jrg Your statement is unenvironmentally friendly. I suggest you withdraw it.

Amith KK

@jrg Yes

jrg

12:09

@Oxwivi Ok, all the web-safe colors known as "green" are ugly.

Oli

Green is awesome.

All the websafe colours are ugly.

2

Oxwivi

@jrg :P

jrg

@Oli I thought you were sleeping...?

Amith KK

@Oli See: your avatar

brunopereira81

hello

Amith KK

12:11

@jrg He has Wake-On-Mention on his brain BIOS, and its enabled

htorque

not sleeping enough to delete answers right in front of my pointer above "flag"

Oli

Why would you be looking at websafe? The need for that has long gone. We've had 16bit and TrueColor since before you were born.

jrg

@Oli curiosity.

Mana

You silly Ubuntu people and your flags!! shakes fist

htorque

WE? WEEEEEEE?

Arda Xi

12:12

Yes, you.

Oli

It was @AmithKK :)

jrg

hides Whatever it is, I didn't do it!

Oli

When you flag something in chat all the moderators (for every site) can see it.

Arda Xi

Not just moderators.

Mana

Not just mods, also all users with 10k global rep.

htorque

12:13

and they all know where you live!

jrg

And they all get pings. has heard this before

Oli

Blimey. That's a little overkill (given I'm a mod active in the room)

jrg

:P

@Oli who knows if you're active? Maybe you're flackbot? :O

Mana

IT TOOK A SECOND OUT OF MY DAY. WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT.

brunopereira81

you have too much free time! chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/201/conversation/horrible-fates-of-non-free-software

Mana

12:14

WHY. YOU BROKE THE RULES.

Oli

@jrg I don't know what you mean.

Amith KK

@Oli No, not this time

Arda Xi

Very good @Mana, castigate them.

Oli

Hush your insolence!

htorque

@AmithKK hi! where have you been? :D

Amith KK

12:16

Who Hast kicketh me?

jrg

@AmithKK that'd be Oli. Probably. :D

He's got a weird sense of humour when it comes to kicking people out of the chatroom.

Oli

@MarcoCeppi did it.

Arda Xi

@jrg Oh, you've got one of those too?

jrg

@ArdaXi Yeah, we do.

Oli

An Oli?

Arda Xi

12:17

@Oli Yeah. You're like our @badp.

Amith KK

@jrg Tries to kick oli.......*Fails*.... FUUUUUUUUUUU

Mana

Anyways, I'll just leave on this note: youtube.com/…

Bye!

htorque

cya

Amith KK

cya

jrg

@AmithKK Be careful.. I might just flag that for threatening the Moderator.

Cya.

Oli

12:18

@ArdaXi Your badp? Pish and poppycock. He belongs to us. I have the receipt somewhere.

jrg

LOL. As he gets kicked again.

Amith KK

:| seriously?

Oli

Actually wasn't me that time.

Arda Xi

@Oli Oh, you do? Good, now we can return him.

jrg

You're a failure @Oli. You can't lie. At. All. :D

prepares to get kicked

Oli

12:19

If there was a log, I'd show you.

Amith KK

Bravely stars that

jrg

Yeah, yeah. You can safely lie because there isn't a log! :D

Amith KK

The Marco Virus! Its Activated!

jrg

@AmithKK That's not cool. :P

Where do I file a bug about ubuntu.com?

Oli

I want to say launchpad.net/ubuntu-website but I feel that might be incorrect

There is a question on AU IIRC

jrg

12:26

Wait, nevermind. There's a Question For That.™

2

Oli

3

Q: How do I report a bug against http://www.ubuntulinux.org/, the ubuntu website

Since the website and wiki have been redesigned, the text is not always readable. The footer text overwrites other text, the links are not uniform colors, and the colors use blend and blur the text. What is the proper procedure to report these and other issues with this website? I have reported...

community canonical

Amith KK

@RolandTaylor Hi

jrg

Just made that a little more findable. ;)

Roland Taylor

@AmithKK Hi!

Oxwivi

@Oli ubuntulinux.org still exists?

Oli

12:31

It was only ever a virtualhost of ubuntu.com

htorque

why does the us letter format exist?

Oli

It's been reduced to a redirect now

htorque

doesn't fit in my folder, dammit!

Oli

Burn it. That will teach them.

htorque

that will teach joel spolsky!

Oxwivi

12:32

@htorque Standards exists, whether they're used or not.

htorque

standards that aren't used shouldn't be standards :P

3

Oli

Isn't US Letter fairly common in the US?

Or have they seen sense and moved to A4?

jrg

We haven't moved to A4 yet.

htorque

no idea, but i'd prefer they move to the metric system first :P

Oli

A4 is metric :)

brunopereira81

12:34

@htorque that would be waaaay to hard, what would nasa blame their mistakes on then?

Oxwivi

@jrg That calls for arson against whoever is responsible for it's widespread use.

htorque

ha!

Amith KK

what is the chmod number if my user needs to access a folder?

htorque

a chain is 22 yards, a yard is 3 feet, a foot is 12 inches - wtf?

Oxwivi

Probably the government and stuff.

Oli

12:35

And don't get me started on foolscap!

jrg

@AmithKK depends.

No Mention of Ask Ubuntu, even though it's got an installer slide

In 11.10, Ask Ubuntu was featured on as part of the Installer slideshow.[1] However, there is no mention of it here[2], although the other various support channels *are*. [1] https://i.sstatic.net/b6UfN.png [2] http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community

Ubuntu Website

Undecided / New

6

Oli

This bug affects me too

Greg

I just downloaded sublime text 2 on my fresh install, and it comes backed in a tar.bz2 - when I extract it, how can I add it to the launcher, and make it "searchable" in the unity dash?

Amith KK

Me too

jrg

Not to sound like I'm whining or anything, but that's a big bug.

Oli

12:40

Well this is weird. Trying to close a question and all I can do is keep adding close votes. I've added 4 now (so there are 6 votes to close) and it just won't die.

jrg

@Oli link me up, maybe your moderator magic isn't there anymore.

;P

Oli

@Greg I'd assume Alacarte (if that still works). It's the menu editor of old. I assume Unity still pulls from the standard menu system

htorque

he lost his mod mojo? :o

Oli

1

Q: There are no programs on the dash list

As I said. There are no programs on the dash list (searcher on AppMenu). Yesterday I logged into my account and I tried to find some program but there wasn't any! Additionally, I tried to view installed programs and manually find program which I looked for, but nothing was displayed :( And toda...

unity 11.10 software-center dash appmenu

htorque

unity is just interested in .desktop files

/usr/share/applications, ~/.local/share/applications and another one (forgot)

Amith KK

12:42

ITS TROLL TIME!

Greg

@htorque what type of file goes in /usr/share/applications ? Does it need to be a copy of the .desktop?

Oli

Ding dong, the troll is dead.

jrg

@AmithKK wow, you just set a record for the number of kicks in an hour. :D

htorque

want my troll mask?

3

@Greg it's .desktop files

@Greg you can add it to /usr/share/applications if you want it globally accessible, or on the other directory for it to be locally accessible (in that case you need to make the .desktop file executable iirc)

Oli

But really, this is getting silly now.

htorque

12:45

which question is that?

Roland Taylor

10 close votes?

Oli

1

Q: There are no programs on the dash list

As I said. There are no programs on the dash list (searcher on AppMenu). Yesterday I logged into my account and I tried to find some program but there wasn't any! Additionally, I tried to view installed programs and manually find program which I looked for, but nothing was displayed :( And toda...

unity 11.10 software-center dash appmenu

htorque

you can flag postings? :D

Oli

Oh that's an idea

htorque

@Oli ah, i already voted for that

Roland Taylor

12:46

How can that have 11 close votes?!

Oli

12

jrg

However, I can only vote to close once.

Roland Taylor

rubs eyes

Oli

Well that's something at least. I should have stopped after it failed the first time

Roland Taylor

I knew I got up too early...

jrg

12:47

This is a job for.... CHAOS.

Roland Taylor

@Explorer looks I got up too early :D

Explorer

yeah you got up too early yeah

jrg

Ugh, Markdown can be a PITA at times. not as bad as HTML though. :P

Roland Taylor

XD

@Oli what's up with the close votes on that thing, seriously...

Mana

Nonono

htorque

12:50

nope

:)

jrg

Oh good.

Mana

I'm just chilling. Hi!

Oh, yeah, take away the context. Great.

Arda Xi

:2224460 So hostile!

Oli

Turns out I can't flag things - It just deletes them

Fo' shame

Mana

HOSTILITY. I might have to ban someone for that.

htorque

12:50

wouldn't make a lot of sense to let moderators flag stuff :P

Arda Xi

@Mana grabs popcorn

Roland Taylor

I missed that one...

Oli

@htorque We can on the site. We use it to write private comments about @jrg on his posts

htorque

:>

Mana

:7

Roland Taylor

12:52

1

A: Is Jorge Castro a Robot?

Jorge is an amazing guy along with the rest of the Community Team.

The obvious. It has been stated.

Oxwivi

@RolandTaylor It must be purged at once! At once, I say!

Roland Taylor

!

Speaking of Jorge...

Since I revealed his true origins, I haven't seen him on chat O.o...

Mana

Can't blame him. This chat is INCREDIBLY SILLY.

3

brunopereira81

lol

Arda Xi

@Mana Yes. Yes it is.

Roland Taylor

12:55

@Mana Makes one wonder why you are here :)...

2

:>

Arda Xi

I mean, who can fill an entire chatroom talking about one minor variation of a cheap OS?

Mana

@ArdaXi I feel like I might be a part of the problem, somehow.

Explorer

XD

Arda Xi

ducks

Roland Taylor

sly little fox I am...

Oxwivi

12:56

@Mana Well yes, Ubuntu is more about the people than the OS... Though we've been criticized for not paying much attention the software.

Explorer

@Mana It wasn't like that yesterday, I'm wondering why :-\

Roland Taylor

@Explorer ;)

Arda Xi

@Oxwivi I think you accidentally a couple words.

Mana

@Explorer Really? Every time I come in here this place just seems ridiculously hyper.

Roland Taylor

Everyone was putting on their super serious face because yesterday was a rather important day

Amith KK

12:57

@Mana DID YOU KICK ME?

Arda Xi

@Mana Every time you come in anywhere you seem ridiculously hyper.

2

Roland Taylor

@Mana it just got a whole lot worse @AmithKK

Oxwivi

@ArdaXi Thanks for pointing it out.

Explorer

@Mana I guess you got the point

badp

@ArdaXi ta-bum dssssh

Arda Xi

12:58

I knew it.

badp

you called it upon yourself

Arda Xi

@badp I'd be careful if I were you. I know where you live.

Amith KK

@badp I also know where you live

Mana

Woah! This is getting good.

badp

There's just only a few thousand aparentments around here

Roland Taylor

12:59

Ha... I know where you all live!

Earth is smaller than you think ;).

Mana

opens up slashfic document

Arda Xi

@badp Yeah but the Dutch are all crazy connected, I just need to make a couple phonecalls and I'll reach whoever signed you up for that apartment.

Oxwivi

@RolandTaylor Shall we have the NSA hire you?

Arda Xi

How else do you think we abduct children with such great efficiency?

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