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5:00 PM
it would function like a rails generator, but code::blocks was iteratively built with itself
 
Can you answer this? How do I disable the app menu at the user level? http://askubuntu.com/questions/71937/how-do-i-disable-the-app-menu-at-the-user-level?atw=1 #unity
 
jrg
weird.
ok, i like this idea.
 
brief aside...eclipse has an absurd number of command-line arguments was reading the man page
 
@JorgeCastro Done.
 
@jrg do you have a better name for the meat folder? i just can't see shipping a default folder name of "meat"
i'm thinking worker or work, but i'm open to suggestions
 
5:11 PM
@aking1012 name it "bunnies" :p
 
@LoT u so funny
 
not really...
:P
for the record...
in Crusaders of the Lost Downboat, 23 secs ago, by Lord of Time
NEVER EVER EVER USE SCRIPTS WITH IE! IT WILL EAT YOUR BRAIN!!!
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jrg
@aking1012 logic?
 
@jrg good idea...that could fit
 
jrg
or will that interfere with languages?
 
5:15 PM
i doubt it would interfere with anything...if it did and there wasn't a workaround, the language is broken anyway
 
jrg
escape ALLL the things!
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insert anything here ALL THE THINGS!!! to get stars
 
PURGE ALL THE THINGS!!!
</joke>
 
needs ice...
and i just might want a bagel with my coffee
 
screw the "bagel with coffee" thing, try "Dount with coffee". 'Tis better. (personal opinion)
understands what your statement was referring to, but wanted to voice his opinion anyways
 
5:27 PM
I have returned.
 
jrg
Wayland here I come.
 
NA = ?
Not A ???
Noob Alert?
 
not an answer...give the user time to delete it
 
No Action?
 
5:29 PM
NA = Not an Answer. But actually, I think that is a real answer. It's not a very good answer, because it's apparently wrong, and also consists pretty much of just a link. But it is a real attempt to answer the question.
 
@AnwarShah --^ that
 
@AnwarShah i agree with @eliah
 
I flagged that as NA. deemed helpful. but still exists.
 
sips his iced coffee
@Anwar a flag can be helpful but get no action
i have at least 25 flags that were deemed helpful but no action was done against the flagged item.
 
OK, I can take at least some action
 
5:31 PM
a flag can be both helpful but not actionable
(i.e. at time of flagging an answer wasnt an answer, but was edited before modAction to actually be an answer)
 
DV is an action, I guess
 
jrg
@LordofTime downvoting counts as an action too you know.
 
mhm
@jrg that was implied
 
speaking of...given the clan-war between avconv and ffmpeg, is ffmpeg-thumbnailer going to get renamed to avconv-thumbnailer?
 
i meant "not actionable" as in not deleteable, not closable, etc., where moderator-only actions do not apply (downvoting is always an action, therefore does not get included in the "not actionable" category of actions)
@jrg downvoting is implied as "Always an Action"
 
5:36 PM
evidently i have a relatively fickle linkedin network
 
lol
wait you're on linked in?
 
@aking care to add a connection?
 
@LordofTime never mind adding connections...isn't that kind of what it's for?
 
:P
"There was an unexpected problem that prevented us from processing your request." DIE YOU EVIL THING
points at a broken script
 
jrg
5:43 PM
Well that didn't work.
Wayland broke my Q install.
thankfully I can do the "revert snapshot" thing.
 
@LordofTime tabbed browsing and multiple sites using similarly named js functions is my guess. for example, facebook status updates bork the new message count on linkedin...improper scoping
 
@aking1012 linkedin.com/in/tward1 <-- that's me :P
@aking1012 facebook's blocked here, because i recommended it be blocked XD
I blame IE9
 
heh...it was just an observation
 
@aking1012 i dont have as impressive a profile as you, but...
you know what
Bank of America can just leave me alone
/me has 16 messages on linkedin from them :/
 
and done
 
5:51 PM
wonderful. 'tis nice to have more connections, given the profile's been stagnant since new policies were activated at University
typically uses University internet for stuff
 
finished with university unless i hit the lotto and go back for a phd
 
jrg
Oh dear, someone downloaded Q and installed it.
(non technical user)
 
there should be a warning box on alpha/beta installs in bold #FFOOOO
 
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Q: set up a user and it's root dir in vsftpd, in ubuntu

lovespringI want to setup a user 'www-data' for vsftpd and set it root dir to /somepath/www-data/project. How can I do this?

 
6:13 PM
why is it that people assume that issues with other applications saying "Oh your upstart scripts are wrong" automatically constitutes a bug in the program with a flawed "status" response.
@JorgeCastro saw you awarded the +250 on my bug related question, thanks much
(I got 250+50 because i got upvotes while it was marked on the Featured tab)
 
6:33 PM
o/
 
o/
 
awkward silence
/me leaves.
BBT :)
 
Off Topic? Right
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Q: Access denied - error code 70

GrahamI cannot open my most recent (and most important) text document in Libre Office, a pre publication draft of a book. It's the only document this has ever happened to - all others on my pc are accessible. I have Windows XP. Any clues anyone?

 
6:52 PM
@Mitch IMO, yes. Crossposting not needed though btw
 
At least poor Graham has got an answer before we closed it. Why use Windows when you write books on Libre Office - ts ts ts...
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Don't be picky on non native language authors
 
^--that
is there a FOSS.SE?
anyone know if gi.repository.Soup is the introspection version of libsoup offhand?
 
7:07 PM
mmmmmh, soup. *drool*
 
oh - that reminds me of my kids that should go to bed now...
your're on 12.10 @htorque?
 
and so should i :P
yeah
 
ever tried to install a deb with USC?
It always gives me the "bad package" error
 
can't remember when i last opened usc. does this answer your question? :P
 
Question... if a package's Recommends: field mentions a non-existent package, will the original package still install? Or will it throw an error?
 
7:09 PM
@Takkat what's the source of the package?
 
@GeorgeEdison good question...and no idea
 
@Takkat maybe it wasn't properly packaged - iirc USC is a bit picky
 
@htorque filed a bug that waits for confirmation: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1020742
Its repository package's debs too.
 
let me try
@Takkat uhm, how do you trigger the install in USC?
 
7:12 PM
I open the deb with the USC from Nautilus
as its supposed to be.
 
hm, i was able to install cowsay_3.03+dfsg1-4_all that way
maybe need to update USC
 
@Takkat check the package in packages.qa.debian.org, using its source package info. See whether the thing reports any "lintian errors" being thrown.
for the packages you're having USC yell at you about
 
That's what I did first - no Lintian errors
Then I tried with abiword, ffmpeg and audacious debs downloaded from Ubuntu,
 
or don't use USC
:P
 
all the sam :"(
@htorque I don't but my users may refuse to install my package once they see that error.
 
7:17 PM
got 500 packages to update, maybe the bug comes with those :)
educate your users! :P
 
> The installation of a package which violates the quality standards isn't allowed. This could cause serious problems on your computer.
 
and now you all know why i use apt-get or aptitude or synaptic
USC is evil
i think i might've uninstalled it...
 
That sounds like you're going to install a trojan
 
> This software is crap. It might even eat all your kittens.
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lol
 
7:18 PM
@htorque This.
 
@htorque as long as it doesn't dine on unicorn blood i'm fine on it eating kittens
 
hey - anyone has a grasp on copyright stuff on source-code?
 
@Takkat latest version of USC - no problem installing cowsay
 
@fossfreedom i've done a bit of research on the topic, but IANAL
 
let me try audacious
 
7:26 PM
? IANAL ?
 
i am not a lawyer
 
ok - you know more than me ... what about this...
GPL3+ on the source code
guy has put a copyright statement on the top.
 
I've completely reworked the code.
Do I add my name to the copyright?
 
@fossfreedom my answer would be yes. you produced a derivative work (which you own, but is bound by license restrictions)
 
7:28 PM
@htorque did you proceed clicking on install?
 
@aking1012 thats as much as I know as well ... do I also include a "original copyright" statement with the original author as well in the description?
 
@fossfreedom as a rule, i always include everything pre just to be sure. i'ld rather be safe. added bit, if it's still gpl3+ i would just say based on a work from X with the same license
 
@Takkat not yet, but i did with cowsay
 
@fossfreedom I would say yes. State that this is a derivative of $software, which is copyrighted by $origcopyrighter on $originalcopyrightdate
 
audacious installed
 
7:31 PM
cheers guys ... I've seen similar stuff around. I'll do the same.
 
@htorque so your computer likes it mine does not - very weird.
 
i like my computer :P
yours is too picky
 
i hate your computer. I adore mine.
 
Far too picky.
 
64-bit, fwiw
 
7:32 PM
@fossfreedom as long as it doesn't relate to copyrights i'm fine with breaking the mold. i just jump to lock-step on copyright related issues
@Lord i wanted to star that...
 
@htorque well with mine it may be an issue from virtual box but it should say something else then. Like "installing DEB packages on crappy machines is not allowed..."
 
that would be a bug ;)
 
It would. ;)
 
anyone have an idea of what package to file a bug against for this?
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Q: Wine causes twin view to break

deanvzI have endlessly been playing around with the Nvidia X Server settings and changing my xorg.conf file to try and work for me and on most days its fine. In each instance I get it working for a while and then this morning the most bizarre thing happens. The moment I open any type of Wine program (w...

 
7:38 PM
How are packages actually installed via apt-get install? http://askubuntu.com/questions/162477/how-are-packages-actually-installed-via-apt-get-install?atw=1 #installation
 
if you do please leave a comment
 
@aking1012 try against wine first?
or file against both wine and the nvidia driver package
 
probably. i know it occurs for both nvidia and fglrx so the driver is a no-go
but wine and dosbox makes me think it's something with the api they use to fullscreen on xorg...so it's a really weird corner case
@mods can we rename Ubuntu App Showdown back to ubuntu-devel or something?

 Ubuntu App Showdown

An exciting contest to create an app from scratch for Ubuntu i...
is over
 
7:54 PM
any rhythmbox users around?
 
/me
 
cool ... fancy testing a plugin I reworked for v2.96 ?
 
if it's the stock version i'll give it a go
yep 2.96 is stock
 
thanks ... when you get sometime - could you have a look at this? github.com/fossfreedom/countdown-playlist
 
good night all
 
7:58 PM
good night @htorque
 
@fossfreedom copy that...bookmarked
 
cheers!
 
there needs to be an app that parses a bookmark folder as a todo list...just saying
o/ @ObsessiveFOSS
 
@aking1012 Hello. Is there anything you require from me?
 
/me ? no...i was just saying hi
 
8:06 PM
@aking1012 Ah. I really didn't understand "o/ @ObsessiveFoss" very easily.
 
o/ is like waving
 
\o/ aking!
 
@ChanHoSuh Hello. Welcome to chat.
 
\o/ is like yay...btw
 
8:07 PM
Ah.
I have consulted the Force and realize I have no chance to moderate anything.
 
maybe there should be an IRC to stack translation list...
 
(Except arguments raised by my neighbors in whether rowing is a better sport than tennis... I prefer competitive Wire-winding. no sarcasm)
 
i could not stop laughing on competitive wire winding
 
I'm actually OK at wire winding... Unlike my losing 40-love to a teddy bear and having a 2 hour time for a 500 meter erg...
 
jrg
sighs
 
8:15 PM
hi @jrg...does that meta question make more sense now?
 
jrg
I leave to go home and you guys are all up in arms over a question about windows.
It does @aking1012
 
@jrg Why did you sigh?
 
jrg
@ObsessiveFOSS You guys are so exasperating sometimes.
 
[Fires up psychoanalysis program and keyloggers @jrg's computer to get keystrok rhythm for psychological info] saracsm
 
jrg
Hey! @ObsessiveFOSS is learning the art of sarcasm!
 
8:17 PM
@jrg I've already known sarcasm for a while. I just have avoided it for my sarcasm is 16-bit, and cannot interoperate with 64-but systems, especially on Windows.
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jrg
Ok, time to restore to my previous btrfs snapshot.
 
when he learns the art of all lower case i'll be happy ;P
 
jrg
Place your bets folks: Will it work, or will it not?
Considering how I broke lightdm by trying to use wayland...
 
Not going to work. Of course it will work. It's not experimental at all!
 
@jrg It will work.
 
8:18 PM
@jrg if it doesn't, it will be blamed on user error and deemed not a bug
 
@MarcoCeppi You only beat me because my hand slipped off my keyboard.
 
which may or may not be correct
 
jrg
Thanks for the vote of confidence guys. ;P
 
@ObsessiveFOSS - if you run in to something you don't get, would you mind adding it here as a '- ?' so someone can fill in the list?
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A: I saw something in chat I don't understand

aking1012o/, \o - Waving either hello or goodbye \o/ - excitement, exclaiming "yay!" /me - it's like "insert my name here" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Shrug, I don't know

 
@aking1012 Sure.
I was *just* awarded the Talkative badge.
 
8:22 PM
i just posted lots of unicorns...
 
Why does this file have a misleading name(It's on StackExchange servers)? cdn.sstatic.net/askubuntumeta/img/apple-touch-icon.png
@aking1012 How are you getting newlines like that?
 
i don't know what you mean
 
@aking1012 See the markdown. How does one get the smaller line breaks without making two in the source?
 
something<space><space>
something else<space><space>
is that what you mean?
 
Yes. You can learn so much from chat... :-)
Also added two entries I am not so sure about...
 
8:27 PM
does that make sense?
 
@aking1012 Yes.
 
good deal
 
Is there a feedback chat room anymore?
 
jrg
Ok, I think this worked.
 
@ObsessiveFOSS I'm not sure what you mean...
@jrg /me is happy for you
 
8:34 PM
Site feedback that is not as formal as meta?
 
jrg
IT DID. WELL HELLO X11, I NEVER THOUGH ID BE HAPPY TO SEE YOU.
 
I knew it would work
 
o.O - I'm always happy to see X...even if I immediately open a terminal
 
jrg
Starting with Q I'm using btrfs full time. :P
 
@jrg seems related to one of my questions...upgoat the answer if you think it will convince more tech savy users to try out Q
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Q: Is there a way to backup your package configuration?

aking1012For example, if I wanted to help out with trying edge(in this case Quantal), but I wanted to be able to revert to a stable-ish system if some update caused a problem -- how would I accomlish this task?

also, if you don't mind, you could nuke the comments since they're no longer relevant
 
jrg
8:37 PM
Sure thing, done.
@aking1012 idea for a new app: btrfs snapshot manager.
 
@jrg good idea
 
jrg
And that'd be pretty simple to make wouldn't it?
 
i have these two other things i'm superfocused on atm...but it shouldn't be complicated
 
jrg
heck, even just a indicator applet that has a single button - "Make me a snapshot".
then it asks for your password, then it makes it with the date timestamp
 
Bye!!!
 
8:42 PM
@ObsessiveFOSS later on...keep that Q in mind if you get confused/don't understand something
 
jrg
btrfs snapshots have me sold completely.
@aking1012 do you want a answer on btrfs snapshots for your backup thing?
 
i'ld upgoat anything helpful, but i think it' basically covered. a general answer was fine with me, but it seems like a question that needed to be asked
 
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Q: I saw something in chat I don't understand

aking1012What are some of the common chat items? I want to understand what people who are more familiar with other chat clients are trying to say to me.

 
8:59 PM
i see how joy might have been a little misplaced
 
jrg
"jest" - such a wonderful word.
We should use it more often.
 
it was just jest
>.<
oh no...squinty cross-eyed face is going to be really hard to explain
 
jrg
>.< = i am angry and what is this
<_</<.< = not me.
 
i always thought of the latter as "averts eyes" although they're fairly synonyimous
 
jrg
9:40 PM
you won't need to black out your name anymore. ;P
Wait, you weren’t the guy who did that... i'm trying to remember.
 
10:09 PM
@jrg "Jest"? Eh, it's good, but I prefer "Yonder" to be a word more often used.
 
jrg
10:38 PM
JEST I TELL YOU JEST
@Flabricorn Yonder jest is not amusing.
 
Bounty offered: Philips GoGear detected by Rhythmbox but not Banshee http://askubuntu.com/questions/158859/philips-gogear-detected-by-rhythmbox-but-not-banshee?atw=1 #banshee
 
izx
Mint-Alert:
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Q: Linux Mint: How do I remove the MATE panel from desktop?

th3pr0ph3tI'm using Linux Mint MATE with Avant Window Navigator. Thanks to awn I no longer need the panel. How do I remove it? (For the moment I use the panel with autohide on and no applets but I expect a more elegant solution to this).

 
11:04 PM
The Launchpad builders are swamped again.
They should charm the builders and just fire up extra EC2 instances when things get busy :P
 
11:24 PM
@jrg why on earth am i getting captchas on 2buntu.com??!
brb; school now
 
11:52 PM
@jrg Sorry I was setting up my... okay this is embarrassing, but I promise I'm still loyal to the Ubuntu crowd... I was setting up my... New Workstation for Windows. Okay? Mounted a ruggedized tablet to the wall, netbook underneath, PC to the right. Perfect for gaming, development, and really media. I'm still ever so loyal to the Ubuntu crowd, my only dual core PC is dedicated to it entirely.
@jrg And soon, my girlfriend with lack for a better use for it is going to give me a Macbook from '07? Broken screen, but outfit that with a monitor? Free desktop like device, slap Ubuntu on there. Another idea would be to remove the top screen entirely and have a bottom slab with - Mouse, Keyboard, just hook up the monitor and BAM. Cheap, effective PC.
 
@Flabricorn If it comes with a service contract, you almost surely must not physically remove the screen, if you want to keep the service contract. Also, if you keep the screen, you have another screen--you can have dual display between it and whatever bigger/better monitor you use primarily.
Also, I don't think it's embarrassing to use other operating systems besides Ubuntu, or that you should feel any need to prove your loyalty to Ubuntu. Ubuntu doesn't need to enforce loyalty--people will come and use it because it's good. I feel some loyalty to the Ubuntu community, but I use the Ubuntu operating system because it tends to be loyal to me, the user. </impassioned advocacy>
 

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