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Michael Green

00:43

@MartinSmith Thanks. This explains things nicely.

@JoshDarnell This is exactly my use-case. I'll be processing in-coming JSON. I just wondered if there was any advantage to a declare .. shred .. write .. declare .. shred .. write pattern as opposed to ` declare declare .. shred .. shred .. write ..write`. "Not in terms of memory allocation" seems to be the answer.

Evan Carroll

04:44

@jcolebrand I take offense to this statement, you're insulting my fragile masculinity.

I can stand up for myself, and I would like to welcome all people regardless of gender to poke fun of me.

2

So long as they as hate pineapple pizza, don't golf, and haven't donated to #MonicaGate.

Mathematics

07:22

@mustaccio in this era you can ;)

Morning all

Andriy M

07:48

Morning

Tom V - Team Monica

Morning

Mathematics

08:06

I really want to move forward with my open source database of schemas but not sure where to start

Michael Green

@Mathematics what's that you're trying to do?

Mathematics

08:21

@MichaelGreen I want to put all of these into a database - databaseanswers.org/data_models

ypercubeᵀᴹ

08:39

@Mathematics you could always address kings with hey. It's just that you now run smaller chances of having your head chopped off.

Which brings me @PaulWhiteReinstateMonica to a valid question. Is using Choppings allowed?

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Fine by me

George.Palacios

Morning

Michael Green

09:07

@Mathematics Ah - a data model of data models, consisting of entity types called "Entity Type". Where would one store the meta data for Meta Data?

More seriously, to what use woukd you put this database? And why can't you move forward with it?

Mathematics

@MichaelGreen correct

@MichaelGreen There could be serveral use cases, one to start with is.... I want to know the possible OR most commonly used columns for Order, and it's associations to other entities e.g. Products etc..

ypercubeᵀᴹ

What Michael asked above ^^. Why can't you move forward? Are you stuck in something?

And have you resulted in a data model?

George.Palacios

@Mathematics That's a really cool idea

Tom V - Team Monica

@MichaelGreen fyi

Nov 30 '19 at 8:01, by Mathematics

I want to create a open data database for database schemas

It's been described a while back

Mathematics

I can't move forward with it is because in my head it sounds like a relational graph type database

maybe I can use this to start with - neo4j.com

i am not affiliated with them btw

ypercubeᵀᴹ

09:22

@Mathematics there are two types of databases. Relational databases and non-databases. Take your pick.

Mathematics

@ypercubeᵀᴹ in my head i think it's going to be non relational db...

George.Palacios

@Mathematics why?

@Mathematics ^

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@Mathematics so, not a database. ok ;)

Andriy M

@ypercubeᵀᴹ And the relational databases are further divided into the real database and all the others

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ypercubeᵀᴹ

the surreal ones are the most fun

Paul White Reinstate Monica

09:27

FishDB

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Fishdatabase of Taiwan ?

Andriy M

Or this one

ypercubeᵀᴹ

or fishdb.co.uk

Andriy M

Oh, I know, this, definitely

ypercubeᵀᴹ

I've heard of ScyllaDB. Discussed at the wannabe rival of TopAnswers, about what database to use for the project. Hilarious.

Tom V - Team Monica

09:38

@ypercubeᵀᴹ Not a database of databases

@ypercubeᵀᴹ github.com/dcramer/mangodb

> with a new and improved AUTO SHARTING ALGORITHM.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Who knew there were so many surreal databases!

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@Mathematics seriously now, whatever you choose to use, you need a model for your db (of dbs).

Michael Green

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica I'll see your fish and raise you a duck.

ypercubeᵀᴹ

neo4j is perhaps the only nosql product that I have a small interest. It looks nicely documented.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

@MichaelGreen Yes but you're quackers

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Michael Green

09:48

ka-boom-sheesh

@Mathematics You still need a data model. Even if you go with Neo you'll have to have a list of the tags you'll use i.e. the entity types.

Any "type" of dbms (relational, document, graph) can model any problem. It's just a matter of what's handled in the DBMS natively and what's handled in user code.

ypercubeᵀᴹ

10:23

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica is there a history in this post? dba.stackexchange.com/posts/154513/timeline

Ah, you edited your answer into mine - and deleted yours. ok

John aka hot2use

@EvanCarroll I failed

Peter Vandivier

@ypercubeᵀᴹ Good Guy Paul

John aka hot2use

Morning

Peter Vandivier

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Mathematics

10:50

true, I think I just need to pick paper and pen and start working on it

Let say I will use this database to help begginers create simple CRUD databases using a UI, how does that sounds like ?

George.Palacios

@Mathematics I feel like you're going down a rabbit hole there. Who is the target audience?

Peter Vandivier

@George.Palacios rabbitdb.org

Mathematics

11:16

@George.Palacios programmers

ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells

@Johnakahot2use I recognize the symptoms now. This is nothing to do with politics. Somebody has hired a narcissist into a key position at Stackexchange and they have been allowed to surround themselves with syncophants. This phenomenon is known as empire building and I've seen it elsewhere. All the dogma and talk about toxicity is that person using rhetorical devices to suppress dissent and eliminate threats to their hegemony. They may or may not even believe it themselves.

ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells

11:29

@AndriyM If my database is complex does that mean it has an imaginary component?

Andriy M

11:56

@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Ha, yes, that's exactly how it works

Peter Vandivier

12:08

trying to learn python is slowly boiling my brain

saw this yesterday and felt seen twitter.com/mycoliza/status/1217201852300742656

Tom V - Team Monica

@PeterVandivier packaging on windows is a joke

When I first saw nuget I thought "oh shit, they've brought python packaging problems to .NET"

ypercubeᵀᴹ

Yeah, if you learning python, don't start with packaging.

Peter Vandivier

12:53

to be fair, packing isn't my current problem, it's regex

not... you know... figuring out the match pattern, just figuring out the syntax to make python accept it

Tom V - Team Monica

regex sucks in any language

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@PeterVandivier we could help if you showed us the issue

Peter Vandivier

fair enough :p

so - i'm extracting postgres ddl with sqlalchemy, but the sequence object for SERIAL isn't bound to the table, this is documented

as a quick hack for a demo on monday, i want to regex match the name of the sequence from the CREATE TABLE string i get from the CreateTable() method and the go back to the metadata for the sequence

CREATE TABLE foo (
	id INTEGER DEFAULT nextval('foo_id_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
	bar VARCHAR(100),
	baz VARCHAR(100)
	CONSTRAINT hvs_pkey PRIMARY KEY (id)
)

should get back foo_id_seq

matching on "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"

ypercubeᵀᴹ

ok

when you define this in python, you use

Peter Vandivier

test at regex101.com/r/lRA6s9/1

ypercubeᵀᴹ

13:05

p = "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"

p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"

which of the two do you use for the pattern in python?

Peter Vandivier

tried both, couldn't get a hit on either

2 sec, tidying up good copy-pasta to show you the python i've used thus far

ypercubeᵀᴹ

do parentheses and : have a special meaning in regex?

Peter Vandivier

not sure, but r"" should protect against that i thought?

i can get a match back when i use that pattern in powershell

ypercubeᵀᴹ

p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'::regclass"

try this ^^

Peter Vandivier

pvandivier PS> $tbl = @"
>> CREATE TABLE foo (
>> id INTEGER DEFAULT nextval('foo_id_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
>> bar VARCHAR(100),
>> baz VARCHAR(100)
>> CONSTRAINT hvs_pkey PRIMARY KEY (id)
>> )
>> "@
pvandivier PS> $pattern = "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"
pvandivier PS> [regex]::Match($tbl,$pattern).Groups[1].Value
foo_id_seq
pvandivier PS>

ypercubeᵀᴹ

13:10

the r"" is to protect from backslash hell

Peter Vandivier

no joy :'(

crap, sry, formatting trubs

in any case, using p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'::regclass", print(re.match(p, tbl)) returns None

been dicking around with re.MULTILINE, tried splitting the str(CreateTable()).split("\n") and matching line-by-line

no joy anywhere

uh, did my regex invoke the smoke detector? :-p

Tom V - Team Monica

@PeterVandivier rextester.com/WTOMAD23625

Peter Vandivier

13:25

eyyyyyy

.search()!!

Tom V - Team Monica

#winning

Peter Vandivier

you've got tiger's blood

George.Palacios

Bi-Winning

Tom V - Team Monica

match only matches the beginning of a string

Peter Vandivier

weird that .search() still returns a match object

Tom V - Team Monica

13:27

search matches anywhere

Peter Vandivier

yea, but i was trying it on for line in tbl.split("\n"): as well

🤷‍♂️

it's working now

don't look a gift r̭͚̼e͖̣͝g͎̱͍̙ͅe̹͉̘̰̗̰x͈̹͇̥͈͍̫ ̲̗̫͙͚i̝̩̰͢ń ̠̟̟̠͟tḥ͞e̢̘̭̜͍̗̜͔ ͖̩̫̣̠̘͞m̪̼̳̣̙ͅo̯ͅu̺̦̖͎͚̺̦͝t̝̘͈̻͖̙͇͞h

George.Palacios

don't look a mouth regex in the gift

Peter Vandivier

u nasty

George.Palacios

I am well aware

Peter Vandivier

13:47

@TomV-TeamMonica upping my game w/ .findall()

party-parrot.gif

Tom V - Team Monica

whos-a-good-boy.gif

ypercubeᵀᴹ

print(  re.search(p, table).group()[9:-11]  )

to isolate the sequence name

oh, findall() does that for you more nicely

Peter Vandivier

FYI - looks like this is handled in alembic, just not sqlalchemy github.com/sqlalchemy/alembic/commit/…

github.com/sqlalchemy/alembic/issues/73

and.... based on that i think i'm just go whole hog and blow out the full match and replace the whole mess with SERIAL

elmo-let-it-burn.gif

George.Palacios

14:08

@PeterVandivier your knowledge of internet memedom is second to none.

tips-fedora.jpg

Peter Vandivier

salt-bae.gif

Peter Vandivier

14:21

@TomV-TeamMonica rextester.com/CFLK35913

darn, couldn't edit it fast enough, meant to post this - rextester.com/TLAF36579

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@PeterVandivier Not very good

BIGINT would be BIGSERIAL

Peter Vandivier

u smrt cookie

George.Palacios

BIGCEREAL sounds tasty

ypercubeᵀᴹ

But why do you want this?

It looks like it could break.

Peter Vandivier

rextester.com/GBVIM85774

hackery complete

ypercubeᵀᴹ

14:30

SERIAL / SEQUENCE behaviour changed somewhere between 9.6 and current version. It might change in the future, too

Peter Vandivier

oh yea, it's not meant to be "good code"

1 hour ago, by Peter Vandivier

as a quick hack for a demo on monday, i want to regex match the name of the sequence from the CREATE TABLE string i get from the CreateTable() method and the go back to the metadata for the sequence

ypercubeᵀᴹ

You could have a sequence now for example that its values are used in many tables.

Peter Vandivier

yea, i thought of that

the alembic handling is more resilient

but it's more plumbing than i'm willing to do on a friday afternoon

and i'm sure i'd want to stress test even the more resilient solution

does the "owned" flag change after certain ddl operations for example?

so in lieu of doing it right i'll just do it fast and be okay with my mediocrity

plus the in-house DDL footprint here is super small, so handling well for general case problems can safely be procrastinated for some things (like this)

and if it breaks i'm the one who has to clean it up anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ypercubeᵀᴹ

Do you use alembic so far? Or just planinng to use it?

Evan Carroll

HALLO @ypercubeᵀᴹ!

glad to see you on this glorious network.

ypercubeᵀᴹ

14:40

hi

Evan Carroll

on this wonderful day.

Peter Vandivier

@ypercubeᵀᴹ just poking it with a stick as yet

Evan Carroll

in the start of a magnificent year.

Peter Vandivier

only been writing python in earnest for like a week and a half

Evan Carroll

On the most spectacular day of the week.

Peter Vandivier

14:47

Rebecca Black - Friday

►

George.Palacios

@PeterVandivier die-in-a-fire.gif

Max Vernon

wow, that is SUCH A GREAT VIDEO.

lol

George.Palacios

Rebecca Black "Friday" (Brock's Dub)

►

Better in literally every way

Max Vernon

I've never seen that one. Will check it out on mobile.

literally cannot watch something like that on my work pc, lol.

George.Palacios

@MaxVernon It's sfw if that's what you mean

Max Vernon

14:49

no, it's just that I can't use sound :-)

George.Palacios

ahhhh. yeah that matters lol

Evan Carroll

look at this nonsense, the shog9 bandwagon on meta, bans me and then just runs their mouuffff

no shame.

Max Vernon

@George.Palacios wow, that is much funnier

Evan Carroll

i demand an apology.

directed to "The Great and Mighty Pan" and written in the blood of an innocent Christian child

Peter Vandivier

oh btw @MaxVernon - i was just talking to Tim in NYC & he isn't ghosting you, just has some internal shit he needs to button up first

Max Vernon

14:54

@PeterVandivier lol, I was wondering. Thanks for the update. I started to wonder if I was really that terrible.

but no big deal either way really.

Peter Vandivier

haha no, i'm sure all will be revealed in time

Paul White Reinstate Monica

I hope "button up one's internal shit" is a colloquialism

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Peter Vandivier

why-not-both.gif

Paul White Reinstate Monica

hm

Max Vernon

Sesame Street Gangsta - Grover - Everyday I'm Hustlin'

►

Peter Vandivier

15:02

presumably if one's internal shit were literally unbuttoned, it would quickly become a situation with metaphorically unbuttoned shit as well

George.Palacios

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Buttoning up external shit sounds ever weirder

Paul White Reinstate Monica

0

A: Database Engine Tuning Advisor drops index automatically on SQL Server 2016?

Talked to some colleagues. One really ran the Tuning Advisor without knowing that this caused the problem

TRiG

@EvanCarroll I'm never sure quite how serious you are.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

yesterday, by Paul White Reinstate Monica

Maybe someone really is running DTA against production

George.Palacios

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica HA

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:04

@George.Palacios The world never ceases to surprise me

Evan Carroll

@TRiG I've never not been serious in my life.

George.Palacios

"Closed as too localized"

Max Vernon

@TRiG oh ~~he's~~ they're serious, Evan just doesn't actually expect anything to be done about it.

that was almost a CoC violation.

/slaps self

Paul White Reinstate Monica

@George.Palacios "This post was returned to Stack Overflow"

Max Vernon

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica I think that's gotta be a feature, no. I mean who want's those indexes to actually stay around, lol.

Evan Carroll

15:09

@TRiG i think we can nickname you "fake news" for accrediting that post to me.

TRiG

@EvanCarroll My memory was definitely at fault, yes. Apologies about that.

Evan Carroll

;P cool let's all get back to rejoicing at what a great network we have then.

Max Vernon

→ 1 message moved to Trash

TRiG

The writing style is, perhaps, in some ways similar. Both of ye tend to be acerbic, but often accurate.

And I'm not important enough to be purged.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

purges TRiG

for comedy value

Evan Carroll

15:12

i agree, we need to keep the purge guns pointing to the same target.

i'm crossing my fingers.

super user needs fixing.

George.Palacios

@EvanCarroll I mean, you know that's you right?

Paul White Reinstate Monica

I was wondering why there was an answer from Your Common Sense in here

Evan Carroll

hahahah yea right, I believe Stack Overflow wrote me an apology that said "you were right about everything, he's gone" but I haven't checked my email box to confirm.

Max Vernon

I get the feeling Evan is experiencing no misconceptions about reality.

George.Palacios

lol

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:15

who among us understands reality

Evan Carroll

i know it's a torus, youtube tells me so.

George.Palacios

For Real, I, Ty.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Ah so we're all running on TorusOS
You should ask some questions about that on Super User

George.Palacios

@EvanCarroll I heard it's a hypercube

Evan Carroll

According to the moderators, Super User is just a site for whatever the moderators and their friends want to do with it, and it doesn't have actual topicality.

which is why the whole network views it as a dumping ground for bad questions.

George.Palacios

15:18

@EvanCarroll In fairness SO isn't much better

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Sounds like making the case for merging Super User into Stack Overflow yes

@EvanCarroll Are you just chat banned on meta? Or suspended on the meta site itself? I forget.

Max Vernon

@EvanCarroll have you tried expert sex change.com?

Paul White Reinstate Monica

the hyphen site

Max Vernon

lol

Evan Carroll

at least i can conceive of a question which is mostly on-topic on stackoverflow without stretching into abject absurdity. For example, all questions on using Rust.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:22

closed as a duplicate

Evan Carroll

For superuser, I think to be mostly on topic there you have to ask questions on Windows, or cross-platform non-web applications targeting end users, where the subject matter of the question is useful to the "average user" and the products in question are versioned and stated by their developers to be in production.

there we go.

TRiG

@EvanCarroll Or ReactOS?

George.Palacios

@TRiG TOO SOON

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Isn't that a synonym of TempleOS?

Evan Carroll

good point, in addition you have to have the support of a highly capricious and irrational moderation community.

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica both.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:25

we should feature that comment for a maximum of 24h

@EvanCarroll thx

George.Palacios

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica That's always been the rule, right?

Paul White Reinstate Monica

@George.Palacios always!

Max Vernon

every rule currently in effect has always been in effect, and will be in effect for the entire future. Unless it's deprecated, at which point it never existed.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

It's the neatest way

George.Palacios

@MaxVernon Or always existed

Very Quantum of them.

Evan Carroll

15:28

it's really unfortunate to be banned from SE at this time.

George.Palacios

@EvanCarroll Weren't you always banned from SE?

Max Vernon

@EvanCarroll for them.

Evan Carroll

i can't bask in the good decisions the company has made, and support them.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

It's pretty easy to get suspended on meta.se right now
Especially if you're a moderator elsewhere

Evan Carroll

which i think everyone knows, I would otherwise be doing.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:29

pretty much yeah

Evan Carroll

their own loss...

Paul White Reinstate Monica

part of me is curious about exactly what you would write on meta

Evan Carroll

they finally do exactly what I was asking for, and they won't unsuspend me so i can throw my MASSIVE clout in support.

wtf, right?

you know how much not-trolling i could be doing right now?

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Paul White Reinstate Monica

epic amounts

Max Vernon

Eminem - Darkness (Official Video)

►

Lamak

15:31

@EvanCarroll so much

Paul White Reinstate Monica

the world is a very unfair place

Max Vernon

unless you're a billionaire. then you can mold it to your every whim.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

where do I sign up for that

Lamak

@MaxVernon I mean, there are people that says that billionaires should maybe start paying taxes...how unfair is that?

George.Palacios

@Lamak Ridiculous! They'll just move somewhere they don't have to pay taxes!

(Rinse, repeat)

Max Vernon

15:34

@Lamak so so unfair. I mean how would they then have enough cash to keep their offspring controlling the world for eternity.

Evan Carroll

@Lamak I prefer them to pay with their life.

taxes always seemed like such a moderate compromise

Max Vernon

@EvanCarroll did anyone ever call you a bolshevik? Asking for a friend.

Evan Carroll

Usually bolsheviks.

Max Vernon

good one

Paul White Reinstate Monica

@MaxVernon They'd just colonise a new planet. Like Mars, to choose an example entirely at random.

Max Vernon

15:35

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica hahah. I love it.

"entirely at random"

wow can Eminem spit lyrics. does he even breathe?

Paul White Reinstate Monica

I suppose I shouldn't pick on Elon, there are probably worse billionaires I just can't think of them

George.Palacios

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Zuckerberg?

Bezos?

Evan Carroll

yea, because even has a pot of gold that could solve world hunger and says, "I would rather buy the Salvator Mundi"

Paul White Reinstate Monica

@George.Palacios Obvious now you say it

George.Palacios

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica ha yeah

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:42

I see Google is "worth" a trillion freedom dollars now

George.Palacios

@EvanCarroll I'm not sure above "Solve", but certainly make a huge impact on

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Freedom credits*

Paul White Reinstate Monica

OTOH

National debt of the United States

The national debt of the United States is the total debt, or unpaid borrowed funds, carried by the federal government of the United States, which is measured as the face value of the currently outstanding Treasury securities that have been issued by the Treasury and other federal government agencies. The terms "national deficit" and "national surplus" usually refer to the federal government budget balance from year to year, not the cumulative amount of debt. A deficit year increases the debt, while a surplus year decreases the debt as more money is received than spent. There are two components...

Max Vernon

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Ellison, Bezos come to mind.

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica it really is incredible how that debt has grown since 2007.

and still petrodollars are the shiznit.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

numbers lose their meaning at some point

Max Vernon

the usdebtclock.org is informative. it's incredible to see those numbers rolling by.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

15:47

makes one feel better about the credit card

Max Vernon

lol

doesn't it though

Paul White Reinstate Monica

51

A: What is the difference between Stack Exchange Users and Customers?

This answer is going to go places, because seeing the whole picture is necessary to answer the question you're asking. There are four customers right now: 1. People that buy the Teams product (SaaS or Enterprise) 2. People that buy Ads. 3. People that buy Job Ads. 4. Venture Capitalists (VCs...

Interesting post I hadn't seen before

Oh and crikey...

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Q: Change in roles for Jon Ericson

It’s a bit surreal to be writing this post—not many people can say they left their dream job twice. Today is my last day as an employee of Stack Overflow. I’ll be joining College Confidential as their Community Product and Operations Manager doing many of the same things I’ve been doing here but ...

> I made this decision in December and it's not correlated with the recent CM team changes. These are just an unfortunate coincidence.

Now I’m not leaving Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange entirely. I still plan to be a user of the sites and to apply to get my moderator diamond back

Evan Carroll

in fairness jon was a pretty decent guy

never had a prob with him

kinda sad to see that one leave.

he said he left before shog9 got canned.

maybe he'll reapply in light of the news.

Max Vernon

I get the feeling you didn't like shog. or, perhaps more likely, he didn't like you. Although I couldn't imagine why.

Evan Carroll

couldn't stand him.

don't know, 100% sure it was mutual, but I wouldn't have banned him 100 times without reason. total abuse of power.

there are plenty of people on this network I don't like and disagree with. I've used it for more than a decade.

but about 99% of the time, we can have a professional relationship.

i couldn't be in the same space as that dude.

Max Vernon

16:03

I was being sarcastic. Although, there is no way for anyone to know that via chat.

Evan Carroll

even when i get banned here it's different. i actually kind of like @PaulWhiteReinstateMonica

6

Paul White Reinstate Monica

WHAT

6

Evan Carroll

and his weird obsession against caps.

btw, ban yourself.

you've got it coming.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

disappears in a puff of contradiction

11

George.Palacios

pahahah

Paul White Reinstate Monica

16:11

just bear in mind the moderators here (past and present) never troll

Evan Carroll

they follow in my very, very large footsteps.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

clown shoes?

4

Evan Carroll

bigger.

Paul White Reinstate Monica

Oh. I missed Edge is out of beta: microsoft.com/en-us/edge

Evan Carroll

ahh dafaq, they don't support it on linux.....

Max Vernon

16:24

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica thank the lord. I need more edge in my life. lol.

TRiG

16:35

@MaxVernon Not edgy enough already? You mustn't be spending enough time on Meta.

Max Vernon

@TRiG I try to stay out of that cesspool of hate. It's worse than Stack Overflow which is saying something.

Evan Carroll

16:50

it's not quite as bad, anymore ;)

Max Vernon

for you.

TRiG

@MaxVernon It's a weird collection of stuff there. Lots of passion. It certainly isn't entirely horrible.

Philᵀᴹ

17:18

Did we do this thread yet? twitter.com/gortok/status/1218161698105892864?s=21

Paul White Reinstate Monica

sort of:

1 hour ago, by Paul White Reinstate Monica

Interesting post I hadn't seen before

though I read the twitter thread afterwards

Max Vernon

17:56

@TRiG there's enough horribly toxic stuff (comments, mostly, that I won't get into) on there to make it something I would never engage with. Sadly.

billinkc

18:18

Yeah, after reading through that thread earlier this morning and some introspection, I closed out probably 20+ tabs each on my home and work computer of SO questions I was interested enough in answering.

Philᵀᴹ

18:50

I imagine many will feel the same

Lamak

@billinkc introspection….you?

how I've missed your humour

billinkc

@Lamak How else can I make sure I clear all the belly lint out? And there's plenty of belly to inspect

Lamak

@billinkc you have a point

billinkc

spheres have no point

Lamak

but they do have a belly button

in other topics, are you going to the summit?

Max Vernon

18:59

@Lamak I so want to do that this year.

billinkc

@Lamak No longer an mvp

Lamak

@MaxVernon are you going?

@billinkc do you work in Microsoft now?

billinkc

@Lamak Nope, just didn't do enough to qualify. I work with weather data now, until my ramblin' ways lead me back to consulting

Lamak

@billinkc aaaw...should I cancel the flight, then?

billinkc

Just schedule a stop at MCI on either leg and you'll be ok

Well. you'll be eagerly anticipating the stop but the departure will leave you wracked with tears so bittersweet

Lamak

19:11

:'(

Max Vernon

@Lamak I don't have firm plans to go to PASS, but am thinking about it, assuming nothing drastic happens.

you?

Lamak

@MaxVernon ah, I was asking billinkc about the MVP summit, sorry for the confusion

would like to go to PASS, but I won't be able to

billinkc

Houston ought to be a few hours closer for lexmark and much longer for the distinguished gentleman from Canada/England

Can't remember, born in England or did you say you had relatives there

Max Vernon

@Lamak ahhh, I was nominated in 2019 but they declined. oh well.

probably a good thing lol

@billinkc me? was born there, and have relatives there.

not sure about the distinguished gentleman bit, though.

but thanks for the kind words

billinkc

@MaxVernon Yeah, couldn't remember the details of our conversation with James L at the Summit N years ago

Max Vernon

19:24

@billinkc oh right. That was a fun time.

hard to believe that was 2015, over 4 years ago.

Lamak

19:39

@MaxVernon you need to be in a third world country

jcolebrand

19:53

@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Speak for myself why don't you :p

mustaccio

Manitoba is a third world country

Max Vernon

@mustaccio it sounds like you've been here

jcolebrand

@EvanCarroll Good. :p

@EvanCarroll Fair. I just want to make sure that things don't get out of hand. Sometimes poking fun at you can spill over to others. By asking them to limit A I can hopefully work to limit B, ya know?

mustaccio

God forbid. I've read enough in the news.

Max Vernon

ahh, ok. It's actually quite nice here for about 4 months each year.

mustaccio

20:23

Interesting. I didn't realise that third-worldness had periodicity.

Max Vernon

20:34

This too, shall pass, @mustaccio

mustaccio

On a yearly basis, I presume.

Max Vernon

yes.

Max Vernon

21:05

Right now in Winnipeg

It's not so bad

jcolebrand

that's gorgeous

Max Vernon

23:24

@jcolebrand thanks!

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