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Michael Green
Michael Green
12:43 AM
@MartinSmith Thanks. This explains things nicely.
@JoshDarnell This is exactly my use-case. I'll be processing in-coming JSON. I just wondered if there was any advantage to a declare .. shred .. write .. declare .. shred .. write pattern as opposed to ` declare declare .. shred .. shred .. write ..write`. "Not in terms of memory allocation" seems to be the answer.
 
 
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Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
4:44 AM
@jcolebrand I take offense to this statement, you're insulting my fragile masculinity.
I can stand up for myself, and I would like to welcome all people regardless of gender to poke fun of me.
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So long as they as hate pineapple pizza, don't golf, and haven't donated to #MonicaGate.
 
 
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Mathematics
Mathematics
7:22 AM
@mustaccio in this era you can ;)
Morning all
 
Andriy M
Andriy M
7:48 AM
Morning
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
Morning
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
8:06 AM
I really want to move forward with my open source database of schemas but not sure where to start
 
Michael Green
Michael Green
@Mathematics what's that you're trying to do?
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
8:21 AM
@MichaelGreen I want to put all of these into a database - databaseanswers.org/data_models
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
8:39 AM
@Mathematics you could always address kings with hey. It's just that you now run smaller chances of having your head chopped off.
Which brings me @PaulWhiteReinstateMonica to a valid question. Is using Choppings allowed?
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Fine by me
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
Morning
 
Michael Green
Michael Green
9:07 AM
@Mathematics Ah - a data model of data models, consisting of entity types called "Entity Type". Where would one store the meta data for Meta Data?
More seriously, to what use woukd you put this database? And why can't you move forward with it?
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
@MichaelGreen correct
@MichaelGreen There could be serveral use cases, one to start with is.... I want to know the possible OR most commonly used columns for Order, and it's associations to other entities e.g. Products etc..
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
What Michael asked above ^^. Why can't you move forward? Are you stuck in something?
And have you resulted in a data model?
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@Mathematics That's a really cool idea
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
@MichaelGreen fyi
Nov 30 '19 at 8:01, by Mathematics
I want to create a open data database for database schemas
It's been described a while back
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
I can't move forward with it is because in my head it sounds like a relational graph type database
maybe I can use this to start with - neo4j.com
i am not affiliated with them btw
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
9:22 AM
@Mathematics there are two types of databases. Relational databases and non-databases. Take your pick.
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
@ypercubeᵀᴹ in my head i think it's going to be non relational db...
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@Mathematics why?
@Mathematics ^
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
@Mathematics so, not a database. ok ;)
 
Andriy M
Andriy M
@ypercubeᵀᴹ And the relational databases are further divided into the real database and all the others
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ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
the surreal ones are the most fun
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
9:27 AM
FishDB
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Fishdatabase of Taiwan ?
 
Andriy M
Andriy M
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
 
Andriy M
Andriy M
Oh, I know, this, definitely
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
I've heard of ScyllaDB. Discussed at the wannabe rival of TopAnswers, about what database to use for the project. Hilarious.
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
9:38 AM
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Not a database of databases
> with a new and improved AUTO SHARTING ALGORITHM.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Who knew there were so many surreal databases!
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
@Mathematics seriously now, whatever you choose to use, you need a model for your db (of dbs).
 
Michael Green
Michael Green
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica I'll see your fish and raise you a duck.
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
neo4j is perhaps the only nosql product that I have a small interest. It looks nicely documented.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
@MichaelGreen Yes but you're quackers
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Michael Green
Michael Green
9:48 AM
ka-boom-sheesh
@Mathematics You still need a data model. Even if you go with Neo you'll have to have a list of the tags you'll use i.e. the entity types.
Any "type" of dbms (relational, document, graph) can model any problem. It's just a matter of what's handled in the DBMS natively and what's handled in user code.
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
10:23 AM
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica is there a history in this post? dba.stackexchange.com/posts/154513/timeline
Ah, you edited your answer into mine - and deleted yours. ok
 
John aka hot2use
John aka hot2use
@EvanCarroll I failed
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Good Guy Paul
 
John aka hot2use
John aka hot2use
Morning
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
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Mathematics
Mathematics
10:50 AM
true, I think I just need to pick paper and pen and start working on it

Let say I will use this database to help begginers create simple CRUD databases using a UI, how does that sounds like ?
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@Mathematics I feel like you're going down a rabbit hole there. Who is the target audience?
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
@George.Palacios rabbitdb.org
 
Mathematics
Mathematics
11:16 AM
@George.Palacios programmers
 
ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells
ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells
@Johnakahot2use I recognize the symptoms now. This is nothing to do with politics. Somebody has hired a narcissist into a key position at Stackexchange and they have been allowed to surround themselves with syncophants. This phenomenon is known as empire building and I've seen it elsewhere. All the dogma and talk about toxicity is that person using rhetorical devices to suppress dissent and eliminate threats to their hegemony. They may or may not even believe it themselves.
 
ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells
ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells
11:29 AM
@AndriyM If my database is complex does that mean it has an imaginary component?
 
Andriy M
Andriy M
11:56 AM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Ha, yes, that's exactly how it works
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
12:08 PM
trying to learn python is slowly boiling my brain
saw this yesterday and felt seen twitter.com/mycoliza/status/1217201852300742656
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
@PeterVandivier packaging on windows is a joke
When I first saw nuget I thought "oh shit, they've brought python packaging problems to .NET"
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
Yeah, if you learning python, don't start with packaging.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
12:53 PM
to be fair, packing isn't my current problem, it's regex
not... you know... figuring out the match pattern, just figuring out the syntax to make python accept it
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
regex sucks in any language
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
@PeterVandivier we could help if you showed us the issue
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
fair enough :p
so - i'm extracting postgres ddl with sqlalchemy, but the sequence object for SERIAL isn't bound to the table, this is documented
as a quick hack for a demo on monday, i want to regex match the name of the sequence from the CREATE TABLE string i get from the CreateTable() method and the go back to the metadata for the sequence 
CREATE TABLE foo (
	id INTEGER DEFAULT nextval('foo_id_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
	bar VARCHAR(100),
	baz VARCHAR(100)
	CONSTRAINT hvs_pkey PRIMARY KEY (id)
)
should get back foo_id_seq
matching on "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ok
when you define this in python, you use
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
1:05 PM
p = "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"
p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"
which of the two do you use for the pattern in python?
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
tried both, couldn't get a hit on either
2 sec, tidying up good copy-pasta to show you the python i've used thus far
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
do parentheses and : have a special meaning in regex?
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
not sure, but r"" should protect against that i thought?
i can get a match back when i use that pattern in powershell
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'::regclass"
try this ^^
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
pvandivier PS> $tbl = @"
>> CREATE TABLE foo (
>> id INTEGER DEFAULT nextval('foo_id_seq'::regclass) NOT NULL,
>> bar VARCHAR(100),
>> baz VARCHAR(100)
>> CONSTRAINT hvs_pkey PRIMARY KEY (id)
>> )
>> "@
pvandivier PS> $pattern = "nextval\('([^']*?)'\:\:regclass"
pvandivier PS> [regex]::Match($tbl,$pattern).Groups[1].Value
foo_id_seq
pvandivier PS>
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
1:10 PM
the r"" is to protect from backslash hell
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
no joy :'(
crap, sry, formatting trubs
in any case, using p = r"nextval\('([^']*?)'::regclass", print(re.match(p, tbl)) returns None
been dicking around with re.MULTILINE, tried splitting the str(CreateTable()).split("\n") and matching line-by-line
no joy anywhere
uh, did my regex invoke the smoke detector? :-p
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
1:25 PM
eyyyyyy
.search()!!
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
#winning
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
you've got tiger's blood
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
Bi-Winning
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
match only matches the beginning of a string
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
weird that .search() still returns a match object
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
1:27 PM
search matches anywhere
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
yea, but i was trying it on for line in tbl.split("\n"): as well
🤷‍♂️
it's working now
don't look a gift r̭͚̼e͖̣͝g͎̱͍̙ͅe̹͉̘̰̗̰x͈̹͇̥͈͍̫ ̲̗̫͙͚i̝̩̰͢ń ̠̟̟̠͟tḥ͞e̢̘̭̜͍̗̜͔ ͖̩̫̣̠̘͞m̪̼̳̣̙ͅo̯ͅu̺̦̖͎͚̺̦͝t̝̘͈̻͖̙͇͞h
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
don't look a mouth regex in the gift
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
u nasty
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
I am well aware
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
1:47 PM
@TomV-TeamMonica upping my game w/ .findall()
party-parrot.gif
 
Tom V - Team Monica
Tom V - Team Monica
whos-a-good-boy.gif
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
print(  re.search(p, table).group()[9:-11]  )
to isolate the sequence name
oh, findall() does that for you more nicely
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
FYI - looks like this is handled in alembic, just not sqlalchemy github.com/sqlalchemy/alembic/commit/…
and.... based on that i think i'm just go whole hog and blow out the full match and replace the whole mess with SERIAL
elmo-let-it-burn.gif
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
2:08 PM
@PeterVandivier your knowledge of internet memedom is second to none.
tips-fedora.jpg
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
salt-bae.gif
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
2:21 PM
@TomV-TeamMonica rextester.com/CFLK35913
darn, couldn't edit it fast enough, meant to post this - rextester.com/TLAF36579
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
@PeterVandivier Not very good
BIGINT would be BIGSERIAL
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
u smrt cookie
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
BIGCEREAL sounds tasty
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
But why do you want this?
It looks like it could break.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
hackery complete
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
2:30 PM
SERIAL / SEQUENCE behaviour changed somewhere between 9.6 and current version. It might change in the future, too
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
oh yea, it's not meant to be "good code"
1 hour ago, by Peter Vandivier
as a quick hack for a demo on monday, i want to regex match the name of the sequence from the CREATE TABLE string i get from the CreateTable() method and the go back to the metadata for the sequence
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
You could have a sequence now for example that its values are used in many tables.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
yea, i thought of that
the alembic handling is more resilient
but it's more plumbing than i'm willing to do on a friday afternoon
and i'm sure i'd want to stress test even the more resilient solution
does the "owned" flag change after certain ddl operations for example?
so in lieu of doing it right i'll just do it fast and be okay with my mediocrity
plus the in-house DDL footprint here is super small, so handling well for general case problems can safely be procrastinated for some things (like this)
and if it breaks i'm the one who has to clean it up anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
Do you use alembic so far? Or just planinng to use it?
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
HALLO @ypercubeᵀᴹ!
glad to see you on this glorious network.
 
ypercubeᵀᴹ
ypercubeᵀᴹ
2:40 PM
hi
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
on this wonderful day.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
@ypercubeᵀᴹ just poking it with a stick as yet
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
in the start of a magnificent year.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
only been writing python in earnest for like a week and a half
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
On the most spectacular day of the week.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
2:47 PM
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PeterVandivier die-in-a-fire.gif
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
wow, that is SUCH A GREAT VIDEO.
lol
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
Better in literally every way
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
I've never seen that one. Will check it out on mobile.
literally cannot watch something like that on my work pc, lol.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@MaxVernon It's sfw if that's what you mean
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
2:49 PM
no, it's just that I can't use sound :-)
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
ahhhh. yeah that matters lol
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
look at this nonsense, the shog9 bandwagon on meta, bans me and then just runs their mouuffff
no shame.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@George.Palacios wow, that is much funnier
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
i demand an apology.
directed to "The Great and Mighty Pan" and written in the blood of an innocent Christian child
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
oh btw @MaxVernon - i was just talking to Tim in NYC & he isn't ghosting you, just has some internal shit he needs to button up first
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
2:54 PM
@PeterVandivier lol, I was wondering. Thanks for the update. I started to wonder if I was really that terrible.
but no big deal either way really.
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
haha no, i'm sure all will be revealed in time
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
I hope "button up one's internal shit" is a colloquialism
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Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
why-not-both.gif
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
hm
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
 
Peter Vandivier
Peter Vandivier
3:02 PM
presumably if one's internal shit were literally unbuttoned, it would quickly become a situation with metaphorically unbuttoned shit as well
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Buttoning up external shit sounds ever weirder
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
0
A: Database Engine Tuning Advisor drops index automatically on SQL Server 2016?

DominikTalked to some colleagues. One really ran the Tuning Advisor without knowing that this caused the problem

 
TRiG
TRiG
@EvanCarroll I'm never sure quite how serious you are.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
yesterday, by Paul White Reinstate Monica
Maybe someone really is running DTA against production
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica HA
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:04 PM
@George.Palacios The world never ceases to surprise me
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
@TRiG I've never not been serious in my life.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
"Closed as too localized"
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@TRiG oh he's they're serious, Evan just doesn't actually expect anything to be done about it.
that was almost a CoC violation.
/slaps self
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
@George.Palacios "This post was returned to Stack Overflow"
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica I think that's gotta be a feature, no. I mean who want's those indexes to actually stay around, lol.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
3:09 PM
@TRiG i think we can nickname you "fake news" for accrediting that post to me.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@EvanCarroll My memory was definitely at fault, yes. Apologies about that.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
;P cool let's all get back to rejoicing at what a great network we have then.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
→ 1 message moved to Trash
 
TRiG
TRiG
The writing style is, perhaps, in some ways similar. Both of ye tend to be acerbic, but often accurate.
And I'm not important enough to be purged.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
purges TRiG
for comedy value
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
3:12 PM
i agree, we need to keep the purge guns pointing to the same target.
i'm crossing my fingers.
super user needs fixing.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@EvanCarroll I mean, you know that's you right?
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
I was wondering why there was an answer from Your Common Sense in here
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
hahahah yea right, I believe Stack Overflow wrote me an apology that said "you were right about everything, he's gone" but I haven't checked my email box to confirm.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
I get the feeling Evan is experiencing no misconceptions about reality.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
lol
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:15 PM
who among us understands reality
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
i know it's a torus, youtube tells me so.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
For Real, I, Ty.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Ah so we're all running on TorusOS
You should ask some questions about that on Super User
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@EvanCarroll I heard it's a hypercube
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
According to the moderators, Super User is just a site for whatever the moderators and their friends want to do with it, and it doesn't have actual topicality.
which is why the whole network views it as a dumping ground for bad questions.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
3:18 PM
@EvanCarroll In fairness SO isn't much better
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Sounds like making the case for merging Super User into Stack Overflow yes
@EvanCarroll Are you just chat banned on meta? Or suspended on the meta site itself? I forget.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@EvanCarroll have you tried expert sex change.com?
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
the hyphen site
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
lol
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
at least i can conceive of a question which is mostly on-topic on stackoverflow without stretching into abject absurdity. For example, all questions on using Rust.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:22 PM
closed as a duplicate
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
For superuser, I think to be mostly on topic there you have to ask questions on Windows, or cross-platform non-web applications targeting end users, where the subject matter of the question is useful to the "average user" and the products in question are versioned and stated by their developers to be in production.
there we go.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@EvanCarroll Or ReactOS?
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@TRiG TOO SOON
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Isn't that a synonym of TempleOS?
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
good point, in addition you have to have the support of a highly capricious and irrational moderation community.
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica both.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:25 PM
we should feature that comment for a maximum of 24h
@EvanCarroll thx
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica That's always been the rule, right?
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
@George.Palacios always!
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
every rule currently in effect has always been in effect, and will be in effect for the entire future. Unless it's deprecated, at which point it never existed.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
It's the neatest way
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@MaxVernon Or always existed
Very Quantum of them.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
3:28 PM
it's really unfortunate to be banned from SE at this time.
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@EvanCarroll Weren't you always banned from SE?
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@EvanCarroll for them.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
i can't bask in the good decisions the company has made, and support them.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
It's pretty easy to get suspended on meta.se right now
Especially if you're a moderator elsewhere
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
which i think everyone knows, I would otherwise be doing.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:29 PM
pretty much yeah
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
their own loss...
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
part of me is curious about exactly what you would write on meta
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
they finally do exactly what I was asking for, and they won't unsuspend me so i can throw my MASSIVE clout in support.
wtf, right?
you know how much not-trolling i could be doing right now?
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Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
epic amounts
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
 
Lamak
Lamak
3:31 PM
@EvanCarroll so much
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
the world is a very unfair place
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
unless you're a billionaire. then you can mold it to your every whim.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
where do I sign up for that
 
Lamak
Lamak
@MaxVernon I mean, there are people that says that billionaires should maybe start paying taxes...how unfair is that?
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@Lamak Ridiculous! They'll just move somewhere they don't have to pay taxes!
(Rinse, repeat)
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
3:34 PM
@Lamak so so unfair. I mean how would they then have enough cash to keep their offspring controlling the world for eternity.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
@Lamak I prefer them to pay with their life.
taxes always seemed like such a moderate compromise
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@EvanCarroll did anyone ever call you a bolshevik? Asking for a friend.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
Usually bolsheviks.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
good one
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
@MaxVernon They'd just colonise a new planet. Like Mars, to choose an example entirely at random.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
3:35 PM
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica hahah. I love it.
"entirely at random"
wow can Eminem spit lyrics. does he even breathe?
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
I suppose I shouldn't pick on Elon, there are probably worse billionaires I just can't think of them
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Zuckerberg?
Bezos?
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
yea, because even has a pot of gold that could solve world hunger and says, "I would rather buy the Salvator Mundi"
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
@George.Palacios Obvious now you say it
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica ha yeah
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:42 PM
I see Google is "worth" a trillion freedom dollars now
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
@EvanCarroll I'm not sure above "Solve", but certainly make a huge impact on
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Freedom credits*
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
OTOH
National debt of the United States
The national debt of the United States is the total debt, or unpaid borrowed funds, carried by the federal government of the United States, which is measured as the face value of the currently outstanding Treasury securities that have been issued by the Treasury and other federal government agencies. The terms "national deficit" and "national surplus" usually refer to the federal government budget balance from year to year, not the cumulative amount of debt. A deficit year increases the debt, while a surplus year decreases the debt as more money is received than spent. There are two components...
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Ellison, Bezos come to mind.
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica it really is incredible how that debt has grown since 2007.
and still petrodollars are the shiznit.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
numbers lose their meaning at some point
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
the usdebtclock.org is informative. it's incredible to see those numbers rolling by.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
3:47 PM
makes one feel better about the credit card
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
lol
doesn't it though
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
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A: What is the difference between Stack Exchange Users and Customers?

George StockerThis answer is going to go places, because seeing the whole picture is necessary to answer the question you're asking. There are four customers right now: 1. People that buy the Teams product (SaaS or Enterprise) 2. People that buy Ads. 3. People that buy Job Ads. 4. Venture Capitalists (VCs...

Interesting post I hadn't seen before
Oh and crikey...
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Q: Change in roles for Jon Ericson

Jon EricsonIt’s a bit surreal to be writing this post—not many people can say they left their dream job twice. Today is my last day as an employee of Stack Overflow. I’ll be joining College Confidential as their Community Product and Operations Manager doing many of the same things I’ve been doing here but ...

discussion stack-exchange-team community-managers
> I made this decision in December and it's not correlated with the recent CM team changes. These are just an unfortunate coincidence.

Now I’m not leaving Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange entirely. I still plan to be a user of the sites and to apply to get my moderator diamond back
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
in fairness jon was a pretty decent guy
never had a prob with him
kinda sad to see that one leave.
he said he left before shog9 got canned.
maybe he'll reapply in light of the news.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
I get the feeling you didn't like shog. or, perhaps more likely, he didn't like you. Although I couldn't imagine why.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
couldn't stand him.
don't know, 100% sure it was mutual, but I wouldn't have banned him 100 times without reason. total abuse of power.
there are plenty of people on this network I don't like and disagree with. I've used it for more than a decade.
but about 99% of the time, we can have a professional relationship.
i couldn't be in the same space as that dude.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
4:03 PM
I was being sarcastic. Although, there is no way for anyone to know that via chat.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
even when i get banned here it's different. i actually kind of like @PaulWhiteReinstateMonica
6
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
WHAT
6
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
and his weird obsession against caps.
btw, ban yourself.
you've got it coming.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
disappears in a puff of contradiction
11
 
George.Palacios
George.Palacios
pahahah
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
4:11 PM
just bear in mind the moderators here (past and present) never troll
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
they follow in my very, very large footsteps.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
clown shoes?
4
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
bigger.
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Oh. I missed Edge is out of beta: microsoft.com/en-us/edge
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
ahh dafaq, they don't support it on linux.....
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
4:24 PM
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica thank the lord. I need more edge in my life. lol.
 
TRiG
TRiG
4:35 PM
@MaxVernon Not edgy enough already? You mustn't be spending enough time on Meta.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@TRiG I try to stay out of that cesspool of hate. It's worse than Stack Overflow which is saying something.
 
Evan Carroll
Evan Carroll
4:50 PM
it's not quite as bad, anymore ;)
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
for you.
 
TRiG
TRiG
@MaxVernon It's a weird collection of stuff there. Lots of passion. It certainly isn't entirely horrible.
 
Philᵀᴹ
Philᵀᴹ
5:18 PM
 
Paul White Reinstate Monica
Paul White Reinstate Monica
sort of:
1 hour ago, by Paul White Reinstate Monica
Interesting post I hadn't seen before
though I read the twitter thread afterwards
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
5:56 PM
@TRiG there's enough horribly toxic stuff (comments, mostly, that I won't get into) on there to make it something I would never engage with. Sadly.
 
billinkc
billinkc
6:18 PM
Yeah, after reading through that thread earlier this morning and some introspection, I closed out probably 20+ tabs each on my home and work computer of SO questions I was interested enough in answering.
 
Philᵀᴹ
Philᵀᴹ
6:50 PM
I imagine many will feel the same
 
Lamak
Lamak
@billinkc introspection….you?
how I've missed your humour
 
billinkc
billinkc
@Lamak How else can I make sure I clear all the belly lint out? And there's plenty of belly to inspect
 
Lamak
Lamak
@billinkc you have a point
 
billinkc
billinkc
spheres have no point
 
Lamak
Lamak
but they do have a belly button
in other topics, are you going to the summit?
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
6:59 PM
@Lamak I so want to do that this year.
 
billinkc
billinkc
@Lamak No longer an mvp
 
Lamak
Lamak
@MaxVernon are you going?
@billinkc do you work in Microsoft now?
 
billinkc
billinkc
@Lamak Nope, just didn't do enough to qualify. I work with weather data now, until my ramblin' ways lead me back to consulting
 
Lamak
Lamak
@billinkc aaaw...should I cancel the flight, then?
 
billinkc
billinkc
Just schedule a stop at MCI on either leg and you'll be ok
Well. you'll be eagerly anticipating the stop but the departure will leave you wracked with tears so bittersweet
 
Lamak
Lamak
7:11 PM
:'(
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@Lamak I don't have firm plans to go to PASS, but am thinking about it, assuming nothing drastic happens.
you?
 
Lamak
Lamak
@MaxVernon ah, I was asking billinkc about the MVP summit, sorry for the confusion
would like to go to PASS, but I won't be able to
 
billinkc
billinkc
Houston ought to be a few hours closer for lexmark and much longer for the distinguished gentleman from Canada/England
Can't remember, born in England or did you say you had relatives there
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@Lamak ahhh, I was nominated in 2019 but they declined. oh well.
probably a good thing lol
@billinkc me? was born there, and have relatives there.
not sure about the distinguished gentleman bit, though.
but thanks for the kind words
 
billinkc
billinkc
@MaxVernon Yeah, couldn't remember the details of our conversation with James L at the Summit N years ago
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
7:24 PM
@billinkc oh right. That was a fun time.
hard to believe that was 2015, over 4 years ago.
 
Lamak
Lamak
7:39 PM
@MaxVernon you need to be in a third world country
 
jcolebrand
jcolebrand
7:53 PM
@PaulWhiteReinstateMonica Speak for myself why don't you :p
 
mustaccio
mustaccio
Manitoba is a third world country
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
@mustaccio it sounds like you've been here
 
jcolebrand
jcolebrand
@EvanCarroll Good. :p
@EvanCarroll Fair. I just want to make sure that things don't get out of hand. Sometimes poking fun at you can spill over to others. By asking them to limit A I can hopefully work to limit B, ya know?
 
mustaccio
mustaccio
God forbid. I've read enough in the news.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
ahh, ok. It's actually quite nice here for about 4 months each year.
 
mustaccio
mustaccio
8:23 PM
Interesting. I didn't realise that third-worldness had periodicity.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
8:34 PM
This too, shall pass, @mustaccio
 
mustaccio
mustaccio
On a yearly basis, I presume.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
yes.
 
Max Vernon
Max Vernon
9:05 PM
Right now in Winnipeg
It's not so bad
 
jcolebrand
jcolebrand
that's gorgeous
 
 
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Max Vernon
Max Vernon
11:24 PM
@jcolebrand thanks!
 

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