The DMZ

Rory Alsop

16:00

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I have some lit files I want to convert from mircrosoft reader files to something my other devices can read. My friend says I should have clit, in $ which clit /usr/bin/clit but I cannot find it. I tried locate clit but the results are unrelated. So then I tried sudo apt-get install clit but ...

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Hahahahahahahahahaha

Mark Buffalo

bahahahahaha

I'm not clicking that.

Adi

@RoryAlsop Hhehahaha

Rory Alsop

Real actual question

Actually real

Adi

Tough to stay mature with these titles

Rory Alsop

Really

inorite

Simon

16:02

@ThomasPornin Oh really? Freezing rain here :(

Matthew

Someone reply with "ask your girlfriend"...

Simon

15 cm of snow tomorrow apparently.

That's gonna suck.

Ohnana

15 degrees up here with a light rain :)

Mark Buffalo

65 degrees

I'm content

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I'd be linking them to Jay and Silent bob before you know what's happening (NSFW youtube.com/watch?v=-N8Ta0v7dSM)

Mark Buffalo

16:04

thanks for the warning, @RоryMcCune. I almost clicked...

Rоry McCune

it's just the audio that's NSFW

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune heh

Rоry McCune

well unless Jason Mewes is NSFW where you work

Matthew

@RоryMcCune I think I'd go for South Park the Movie...

Mark Buffalo

@RоryMcCune pls, I clearly work for the feds and all stoners are NSFW

Rоry McCune

16:10

@Matthew that would be the other (also NSFW) option...

deed02392

@Matthew if you have to ask that question, chances are you don't have one

Mark Buffalo

@deed02392 Or religious celibacy-until-married thing.

Adi

@deed02392 Not true, really.

deed02392

@Adi speaking from experience

Mark Buffalo

Not all of us do things on the first date, @deed02392.

Rory Alsop

16:11

Lol

Adi

@deed02392 I've met so many ladies who complained about their current (or ex boyfriends) not knowing what to do in that department

Mark Buffalo

I mean, I do... but not all of us

Rory Alsop

But some of us do...

I mean, did

Errr

Matthew

@Adi Front and centre!

deed02392

@Adi really? am i that unusual for actually talking with my girlfriend about it during

Mark Buffalo

16:11

@RoryAlsop CAUGHT IN THE ACT

Adi

@deed02392 You have no idea!

Mark Buffalo

@Adi ahem some of the opposite-gender individuals I've encountered didn't even know what that was. And by "some," I mean "all."

Adi

The atrocities out there, man.

deed02392

communication is key!

Adi

@deed02392 My man... if you know

Rory Alsop

16:12

@deed02392 @kalina says chatting about the weather or TV is perfectly normal

Adi

Many many couples work on "in-out-done" model

Simon

wat are you lads on about now?

deed02392

what, during sexy time

Rory Alsop

Apparably

Mark Buffalo

@RoryAlsop Or about uh, stuff like... shopping... hobbies

Simon

16:13

People who talk during sex are weirdos.

Adi

@MarkBuffalo I encountered the same as well

A few female friends had no idea what that was

Mark Buffalo

@Adi This is why I teach

deed02392

jokes are often made when i'm having sex

Adi

Mind boggling

Mark Buffalo

No, it's a good thing. You get closer to someone when you teach

Adi

16:14

@deed02392 Honestly, that keeps things easy going, fresh, and overall enjoyable besides the act itself

deed02392

but if one of us (usually her) starts talking about general things, we tell them to shut up

Adi

Maaaaaaaaany people don't get that

Mark Buffalo

okay, I should peace out of the chat for now because nsfw etc tbh imho fyi idd

deed02392

sometimes I talk about what i want to eat afterwards

usually it's chocolate or steak

Rory Alsop

@deed02392 "we" ... Like, plural...?

deed02392

16:14

keep the pleasure train rolling

oh right, i mean, the one not talking

not ones, haha

Adi

@RoryAlsop Hey, man. No judgement :D

deed02392

i'm being far too honest, what was in my diet sprite

Rory Alsop

Heh

Sodium pentathol @deed02392

Rоry McCune

BTW @deed02392 at @Matthew just in case you don't realise you're colleagues (I don't know if it's come up in room yet...) you are :op

Simon

@Adi You're supposed to tell your partner what you like, people work differently.

Adi

16:17

@Simon Like I said.. that's the optimal case

However, I've soooo many people who don't even have that concept

Like.. they think it's something out of the question

Simon

@Adi Indeed, same here.

Matthew

@RоryMcCune I did not know that

Simon

They lack communication in general, they most-certainly wouldn't talk about sex.

People are dumb.

deed02392

neat, hi @Matthew

Rоry McCune

@Matthew amusingly I knew @deed02392 in here before he got started and for a while couldn't work out his IRL name. If I say he's well known for his christmas video skills you'll know who he is :)

deed02392

16:19

lol.. thanks rory

Simon

@RоryMcCune LOL

Rory Alsop

Christmas video? Oh - I guess internal to $COMPANY?

deed02392

basic OSINT will find you it @RoryAlsop

Adi

@RoryAlsop I hope not

I wanna see that

Rоry McCune

@deed02392 easiest way to explain without putting your name in-room :)

deed02392

16:20

haha yea

i was just going to ask if he was on company irc

Rory Alsop

Well - I know his name, but I don't know the video

Matthew

@RоryMcCune Oh dear... Yes...

deed02392

well that's not fair, i don't know who you are @Matthew

Simon

looooooooooool

Matthew

@deed02392 Mwhahahaha!

Simon

16:21

@deed02392 Would his last name help you out?

I believe that I found him on Twitter yesterday.

deed02392

@Simon yes!

Simon

You got that?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Here it is like about 20 cm for the day, then again on Wednesday.

Adi

@Simon I think everybody got that :D

Matthew

@Simon

That was....

Incorrect...

Simon

16:22

DAMN IT!

Matthew

shoots Simon off a cliff

Simon

@ThomasPornin Yeah we're getting some on Wednesday too :(

deed02392

bugger i wasn't looking

e-mail me matthew

it's the honourable thing to do

Simon

@deed02392 Apparently it's wrong.

It must be some OpSec tactic.

deed02392

simon, wrong?

but you're never wrong

Simon

16:24

@deed02392 Can you search a directory or something?

deed02392

yea but there are loads of em!

Simon

Ok, ready?

Let's see if it was some OpSec tactic.

deed02392

ohh @Matthew you're an old timer

Simon

ARE YOU READY SON?

You found him?

deed02392

but recent to the DMZ?

yea @Simon

Simon

16:24

o

What's the first letter of his last name?

Rory Alsop

Admittedly I have an advantage, being a mod...

Matthew

@RоryMcCune and @deed02392 can confirm that @Simon was incorrect :-)

Simon

o :(

M'vy

hehe

deed02392

I better not say @Simon, it's gotta be up to @Matthew

Simon

16:25

Screw you, Matthews of the UK.

M'vy

@RoryAlsop email ?

Simon

You're too many.

deed02392

@Adi have you not seen my christmas video

i thought you had

Adi

@deed02392 Which one?

Was it on FB?

deed02392

Tlmao

there's only one

erm no just on youtube i think

what was on FB???

Adi

16:26

I don't know

kalina

@RoryAlsop "weather or TV" is probably not accurate but being comfortable enough with somebody to want to talk and cuddle during lulls and not really care if the result is completely messing up your current activity, and then being able to laugh about it and resume again is important

Adi

I'm busy finding Matthew

kalina

back to gone

Simon

@Adi I wanna know how old he is.

Maybe he could be an older dinosaur than roro.

M'vy

Can't be

Adi

16:28

@Simon He's young

Simon

@Adi Is he?

Adi

Jepp

Simon

Dayum.

I thought the ":-)" emote was reserved for old people.

Rory Alsop

@kalina agreed, but if I had said sensible stuff like that it wouldn't have been as funny

deed02392

@Simon ha so true

Rory Alsop

16:29

@Adi should be a film "Finding Matthew"

deed02392

when did we start calling it emote/emojii

it was always emoticon

Rory Alsop

@Simon there is no such thing

deed02392

based on the hover text from MSN messenger i expect all people of my generation to continue calling it such

Matthew

I'm slightly disturbed at this attention...

Adi

Not that difficult. Search LinkedIn, cross with chat messages

Simon

16:29

@RoryAlsop One day I'll find someone who was before you roro, one day.

Adi

@Matthew Honestly, what did you expect from infosec people?

deed02392

DOX DOX DOX

Simon

Is his last name super British?

Mark Buffalo

@deed02392 Is that you with the beer in the picture?

Simon

Like McDonut?

Thomas Pornin

16:30

@deed02392 Before "emoticon" it was called a "smiley". And before that, it was called "stupid" (still is, by the way).

Rory Alsop

@Simon As I pointed out on the book of Faces yesterday, I'm already building a new universe for those bored with this one :-)

Simon

@RoryAlsop o nice!

deed02392

@MarkBuffalo yeah

Mark Buffalo

@deed02392 You look like a hobbit

Rory Alsop

*may not be 100% true

Simon

16:30

@ThomasPornin Don't call us stupid for not being close to your emotions enough to be able to translate them into emoticons.

deed02392

@ThomasPornin what's stupid about better expressions of emotion?!

@MarkBuffalo ..thanks

Mark Buffalo

@deed02392 That's a compliment, btw

Simon

@MarkBuffalo -.-

deed02392

my sensitivities required it be a compliment

Mark Buffalo

@Simon Shut up

@deed02392 It looks like a scene from LOTR where the hobbits are freaking out over Ale.

Simon

16:32

"freaking out"

deed02392

i wasn't big on LOTR

Simon

They're not having a good time, they're "freaking out".

Rоry McCune

@kalina congrats on the productivity today :)

Matthew

@Adi Well, seeing as I'm neither hot nor female, bland indifference?

Rory Alsop

Hmmmm - found your YouTube channel, deed - don't know if any of those count as Christmas videos

Simon

16:33

@RoryAlsop IS HE DRESSED AS AN ELF?

Mark Buffalo

Is he dressed as a hobbit?

Please say yes. I need this to be true.

Rory Alsop

@Simon Hahahahahahaha. One of the best questions so far!

Adi

@RoryAlsop I like the salmiakki video

Rory Alsop

@MarkBuffalo Unknown - I could only see one finger :-)

Thomas Pornin

@deed02392 A properly written strophe enunciated with the correct scansion is a better expression of emotion. Typing two or three punctuation characters is just lazy.

Simon

16:34

@ThomasPornin Efficient, not lazy.

Mark Buffalo

@ThomasPornin I agree. :-)

kalina

@RоryMcCune I'm not being productive, I'm just not being here

Rory Alsop

@Adi ahh - just watching that now. Ikkkkk

Mark Buffalo

@kalina Come back

kalina

while simultaneously not storming out and actually not being here

fml

Lucas Kauffman

16:35

@ThomasPornin mr pornin sir, I have a homework due in two weeks which will be released soon, it's about cryptography and it counts for 25% of my exam mark. Was wondering if, prior to submitting it, you could have a look and give some feedback :P?

Rory Alsop

@kalina here now. Lightning hug before you go! :-)

Mark Buffalo

I'd rather have you here than listen to Simon spew hate all day

kalina

Simon spewing hate all day is part of the reason I'm not here

There's no point taking part in an internet chat room that is supposed to be escapism if you subsequently have half the chat on ignore and want to escape from it

Lucas Kauffman

why cant we all just get along

Thomas Pornin

@LucasKauffman If you send it to me, I'll make sure to mock you in a scientifically appropriate manner.

Mark Buffalo

16:36

@kalina :(

Rоry McCune

@kalina :( ahh I thought you were avoiding us for work, ... instead you're procrastinating elsewhere

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin good enough :P

kalina

Apologies, I didn't mean to start spewing my unhappiness in here, back to being gone

Mark Buffalo

nooooooooooooooo

Rory Alsop

@Adi - salmiakki was one of the things I got, right? Think that was rather good - the weird liquorice stuff

Rоry McCune

16:36

@kalina nooooooooo

deed02392

@ThomasPornin hmm we are just referring to the naming of graphical facial expressions

Rory Alsop

@kalina nooooooo0000oooooooo000000oooooooo00000ooooooo!

deed02392

but i don't understand most of what you said so i'm not sure what's going on now

Mark Buffalo

@deed02392 Btw, regarding our earlier discussion about the 'mitigations' for glibc, they really don't work

deed02392

@MarkBuffalo we discussed that?

Mark Buffalo

16:38

and they can't be implemented very easily

in certain environments

deed02392

ohh yes, a while ago

Mark Buffalo

yes, like 3 weeks ago?

deed02392

yea

so how come?

Mark Buffalo

you'll end up dropping a lot of essential traffic

M'vy

@kalina well. Hope you get a better day, see you.

Simon

16:40

@kalina ...............................................

Is she seriously trying to get people to hate me or something?

deed02392

@Simon have you ever heard of a strophe or scansion?

M'vy

@Simon she does not have to do that :)))

Simon

@deed02392 Yes, I'm a poet myself.

Ohnana

arrrgh i accidentally clicked leave open

Simon

@M'vy o pls

Ohnana

16:42

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Q: Second Wifi in a Wifi

Would it be possible to have one device (no router) in a network and then open a wifi from that device? Let's say your friend borrows you your laptop and you want to connect to the network with your phone, but you dont know the password. Could you install a service or something on the laptop to ...

network wifi

deed02392

oh cool. do share

M'vy

Sorry. That one was easy :DD

Ohnana

^^ i submit this for commentary to balance my mistake

Mark Buffalo

@Ohnana I flagged as superuser

TildalWave

@Simon well you did come here as a PHP dev so some of our hate for you was a good investment :)

Ohnana

16:44

it's at 4 close votes, so feel free to hammer

Mark Buffalo

@TomLeek WHY DID YOU DELETE THAT POST???

That was a good post.

Oh, migrated to superuser. Right.

deed02392

lol

i was about to say

Simon

LOL

You got lucky, I was about to link it and show you how much of a donut you are.

deed02392

it is a good post

@Simon you're so mean

i'm quitting DMZ 4eva

~ kalina

Simon

@deed02392 luuuuuuulz

Mark Buffalo

16:46

@deed02392 He can't help it... he's french canadian.

Ohnana

@MarkBuffalo noooo don't ping little bear

Simon

@Ohnana Especially for something that did not happen.

Ohnana

and of course the "can't find c(onv)lit" is on the super collider

OF COURSE.

SE is babby

TildalWave

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Q: Can't find clit

I have some lit files I want to convert from mircrosoft reader files to something my other devices can read. My friend says I should have clit, in $ which clit /usr/bin/clit but I cannot find it. I tried locate clit but the results are unrelated. So then I tried sudo apt-get install clit but ...

apt software-installation

Mark Buffalo

convlit? What's a convlit?

.................................................

Simon

16:50

I was expecting more upvotes.

TildalWave

someone just downvoted LOL

Tom Leek

17:07

@MarkBuffalo I NEVER DELETE. DELETION IS A PRODUCT OF SHAME.

Ohnana

@TomLeek have you ever been downvoted

Thomas Pornin

-7

A: Garbage collection in Perl

Perl applies a mark-and-sweep alternate GC in some occasions (when a thread dies, I think) in order to reclaim circular references. Note that the "every value is a string" Perl stanza makes it difficult to create true circular references; this is feasible, but "normal" Perl code does not, which i...

Simon

@ThomasPornin Wow, you suck.

Mark Buffalo

@TomLeek :-O

Ohnana

oh dear.

Thomas Pornin

17:10

The sad part is that the answer is technically correct -- but misunderstood.

I suppose I must be responsible for not having expressed myself clearly enough.

Mark Buffalo

Yep

Sometimes I expect everyone else to get all the in-betweens... they don't understand, and it's -1

this is why my answers are often long... because people don't get the in-betweens

On occasion, I will delete posts that are correct instead of editing it because I'm too annoyed by the downvote to explain in detail ;x

Thomas Pornin

When I discovered Security.SE, I switched most of my SO activity to it, because it was a much higher quality audience.

Simon

THOMAS JUST CALLED ME HIGHER QUALITY

Mark Buffalo

Yeah, SO's audience can be really low quality

I did the same

Ohnana

@Simon no he didn't

Simon

17:15

@Ohnana :(

Thomas Pornin

@Simon I said "was".

Simon

@ThomasPornin :((

Ohnana

@ThomasPornin yeouch, twist the knife a bit willya?

Rоry McCune

@Simon #BearRekt

Simon

Does anyone know a car expert (about traction, specifically) that I could use to close a debate with a friend of mine?

A real expert, someone's who's established in the industry.

Not some Markus dude who drives a Mini van.

diagprov

17:20

@Simon I think that's "Special Agent Markus" to us.

Simon

He is indeed very special.

diagprov

@ThomasPornin SO quality seems to vary drastically by tag.

@Simon I was going for the being a Federal Agent...

Simon

@diagprov Oopsies.

Ohnana

"special" agent

er what

did anyone else see markus join and leave the room like 4 times

diagprov

@Simon I have only seen TV shows so I don't know if all Feds are called special agents.

Simon

17:26

@diagprov Me neither.

Ohnana

> In the United States, Special Agent is usually the title of a detective or investigator for a state, country, municipal, federal, or tribal government who primarily serve in investigatory roles.

Rоry McCune

@Ohnana he'll be cycling proxies to avoid trace-backs

diagprov

@Ohnana ahaa. So "spy at CIA" is an investigative role, so I did get it right.

David Freitag

17:45

Damn work politics are going to drive me insane

Adi

@Codes Are you sure about the chunks?

CodesInChaos

@Adi Not 100%, it's been a long time.

But 99%

Adi

I checked a few .torrent files. I can't find anything about chunks

So I think you're right

It's a very simple format, so it's difficult to miss them if they're there

CodesInChaos

Torrent is a format that causes me to rage. Because it got so close and then failed. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Adi

Well, the specs say nothing, and I can't find anything in the few .torrent files I checked.

CodesInChaos

17:52

Pieces crossing file boundaries is such a dumb mistake with such annoying consequences. And using a tree hash like TTH would have been a huge improvement as well.

Adi

I modified the answer to reflect that.

@CodesInChaos I still don't understand why they don't fluff the last piece of a file rather than join a few bytes from the next

Boggles my mind

Absolutely no good reason to do it that way

CodesInChaos

You don't even need to fluff it. Then the last piece of each file is a bit smaller, so what?

Adi

Well, if they want uniform sizes

CodesInChaos

There was one client which added padding files with an easy to ignore naming convention. It got flamed for it, instead of implementing the scheme in other clients as well.

@Adi AFAIK the last piece of the torrent is already smaller than the rest.

Adi

Indeed it is

Which makes the whole cross-file piece even more stupid

CodesInChaos

17:57

Using a tree-hash (instead of flat SHA-1) in addition to not crossing file boundaries would make torrents containing the same files with different piece size compatible and would make it trivial to check if two torrents contain the same file.

Adi

@CodesInChaos Ughgggggggggghhhhhh

You just brought a sleeping rage out of me!

The fucking huge number of unnecessary dupes!!

Same fucking file content.. almost identical torrent

The protocol thinks they're completely different

CodesInChaos

@Adi You would still have those, due to other differences. But you could tell your client to download a file from two torrents at the same time and merge the data.

Ohnana

"almost identical"

yes, that is how equality works in programming

Adi

@Ohnana The issue is that the content is identical 100%

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