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13:01
@TerryChia ...the main reasons I doubt that are: I have never met Apple kit that I liked (crappy functionality, non-standard ports, far too few ports) but also that the only excellent windows laptops I have ever seen were made by IBM in pre-Lenovo Thinkpad days
that said - I quite like the Alienware ones
the spec is okay
and they have an alien face
:-)
@RoryAlsop I do agree with you on IBM Thinkpads. Sexy hardware.
@RoryAlsop Ewwwwwwwwwwww.
@RoryAlsop Frankly, you aren't in Apple's target market.
@TerryChia I know, but glowy alien face
@TerryChia correct
There are very few laptops nowadays except for those business class products that are more for portable roadshow purposes that fit your wants (you have described them before.).
@TerryChia yarr. I only spoke up to be vaguely annoying. </grumpyoldgit>
@RoryAlsop Hehe.
Quality ultrabooks are on the same level pricing-wise as Apple products though, so the "Apple stuff is expensive" is just a myth.
It really comes down to whether you like OS X.
13:04
@TerryChia I want to like it
I should - it is a unix
I just can't get past the annoyances
@RoryAlsop Oh, I do understand that. There are a few frustrations I have with OS X (mostly Apple randomly breaking C libraries between versions) but I have not found a Linux DE I like more than what Apple offers yet.
So I'm leaning towards OS X + Vagrant more and more.
@TerryChia Yeah, I hate the keyboard on my lenovo. Several keys broke already. Why couldn't they keep the good old keys...
yawn Afternoon.
@kalina If it's just Windows software that's the issue, a MacBook Pro + VMware Fusion might be a good option. We have a lot of folks here who work that way. Our corp standard dev laptop is now a MacBook Pro, and they just run Visual Studio/SQL Server/IIS via VMware Fusion.
@Xander Or simply use Bootcamp if you have no need for OS X.
13:11
For native Windows laptops, I really like the Dell XPS 13 ultrabooks as well.
@TerryChia Yep, very true.
@kalina you'd like this: memegenerator.net/Insanity-Wolf
My top choice for a non Apple laptop will be the Thinkpad X1 Carbon.
@TerryChia or physical ports :op
@TerryChia bad touchpad == no go in my book
@TerryChia or 4) a perfectly RATIONAL hatred of Apple products.
@RоryMcCune Most of you probably dislike adapters but I actually really like Thunderbolt.
@RоryMcCune Ah, it's that bad? I only played around with it in the store so i can't say I have experienced its annoyances yet.
13:14
@TerryChia really?
but all apple connectors are such a pita
@TerryChia yeah but the challenge can be if you need to use it for multiple things... that said the MBP has some USB3s as well so less of a problem
Give me a machine with 4 USB ports, a firewire, an SP/DIF, full audio connectivity, at least one serial port (maybe no parallel port) and a couple of HDMI's, and I'm reasonably happy
@TerryChia it's flat to the deck and the palm rejection on the thinkpad that I have sucks, so you'll be typing away and suddenly cursor jump. My elitebook has it nicely recessed so that doesn't happen
morererer is betterererer
@RoryAlsop Yep, once I get a new Macbook (this will have to wait till I get out of the army sadly), I'm planning to use Thunderbolt to daisy chain things like monitors, keyboards and mice on my desk. So a single plug to connect all my peripherals when I'm working at home and easy to remove when I'm out an about.
13:16
@TerryChia = docking station
@RоryMcCune All Apple USB ports are 3.0 so at least that's covered.
@RoryAlsop I have VGA + 4 USB2/3 + HDMI + Ethernet + audio + SD card, so pretty good there...
@RoryAlsop Most non business class laptops don't have docking stations either.
@RоryMcCune is that your elitebook?
no serial but then I've not seen serial in a loooong time...
13:17
@TerryChia Okay, so I'm spoilt. I also like 5 star hotels :-)
@RoryAlsop Like I said, you aren't the average customer and definitely are not in Apple's target market. :)
@RoryAlsop yarr.. I also have a port replicator wiht some more ports, but then that's 'cause I have too much stuff...
@RоryMcCune I still use serial at least once a week. I had to buy a serial adapter for my home PC just for this purpose
@TerryChia sure he's not a hipster or a student :op
@RоryMcCune Or a dev. Or in infosec.
13:18
@RoryAlsop you can get USB-Serial adapaters that seem to work pretty well these days
@TerryChia I like the construction of the apple kit. Aluminium is nice.
and they do shiny very well
@TerryChia infosec less so these days, and with devs depends on the language. Ruby definitely is 90'ish percent macs
@RоryMcCune Python is dominated by Macbooks as well.
Most non .NET devs I see either use OS X or Linux (usually on a Macbook...).
@TerryChia infosec I'm seeing more of HP/Lenovo/Dell with Linux these days as it becomes a supported option on some devices...
@TerryChia perhaps a geographical thing, will be interested to survey next weeks AppsecEU
@RоryMcCune Last con I went (Syscan in April) was still mostly Apple though.
13:20
@RоryMcCune well, you already said hipster.
@AviD Dude, the Surface is about 10x more hipster than a Mac at this point.
@TerryChia also 10x more machine.
And yes, I have seen one or two of them around in cons.
FWIW I reckon all infosec/testers will end up on linux as windows/mac move to improve security for ordinary consumers
13:22
Mac isn't hipster at all, everyone has one...
Hipster would be to carry your Desktop at a con.
@RоryMcCune actually I think they will start moving to tablets.
@kalina ow : weight - 4.8 kg
@RоryMcCune is that heavy?
@kalina omgawd 3 years free of 32 gb cloud storage
as more tablets go the surface route, of being a laptop-in-a-tablet, being productive.
13:23
BUY IT NOW
I think that is lighter than any I have
@RоryMcCune Oh, no questions there. It's just a matter of what hardware the Linux is running on.
@AviD yeah but with windows 9 (universal) it'll all be the same in windows-land...
@RоryMcCune exactly!
@RoryAlsop 'tis compared to ultrabooks :) to put it in perspective my elitebook is 1.58Kg
13:24
the greatest trick open source ever pulled was convincing the world lockin doesn't exist
so 3 elitebooks == 1 of those Asus things weight-wise
@TerryChia well all other things being equal hopefully linux designed hardware so there's no premium being paid for windows/OSX
@RоryMcCune I'd love when that day arrives. :)
In the meantime, OS X + Vagrant / VMs for me. :)
I can't wait for the day of: "Windows X, now unix-based!"
@Simon ZOMG TOTES buys
13:30
How much is that gonna cost?
@RоryMcCune That sounds like my ideal port spec.
@RоryMcCune Yeah I have seen reviews on that. I have not seen one in person though, so I cannot really judge the quality. :)
I should find someone who has one and give it a go.
@RоryMcCune That's what I use now.
@RoryMcCune The only issue is that the COM port changes depending on which USB port it's plugged into, and since I don't use it frequently enough to remember which is which, that can be a hassle.
this show looks awesome.
@Xander yeah I've used one a couple of times for Cisco kit, fiddly but workable.
13:35
s/show/movie. too bad, that would be a fun series to track.
@RоryMcCune My firewall's taken to cratering itself nearly every time it power cycles, so I'm getting more and more use out of mine, since I have to connect via console to flash the firmware.
<lolredacted>
bwahahahahaha
I can't even say it with a straight face
did they die?
@Lighty That's not cool.
Unfortunately not, no
13:37
@TerryChia it is
and crap
nou
@Lighty You don't get me. Hoping that people die even if you dislike their music is just a horrible thing.
@TerryChia erm
@kalina, i'll let you handle this
Hoping that people die because you dislike their music is much worse
Hoping that people die has a place, this just wasn't it
13:39
I agree with what the donut said.
THE DONUT?
@Lighty, stop staring stuff.
im a pirate
@Simon thats right @Lighty, it's rude to stare.
@Lighty the thing that you are cannot be discussed before watershed
13:43
@Simon staring or starring?
i thought it said Sharing
@RоryMcCune Both are ambiguous.
@Simon and did you just refer to @kalina as a donut?
oh and look who finally decided to wake up
13:44
@RоryMcCune Sure did.
@Lighty so on top of being illiterate, stupid, and annoying, you also can't read?
@AviD nothing new was revealed by this statement
@RоryMcCune It's Canadian English.
@AviD You sir, are very freindly today
Every time I open this tab, I just want to slap someone.
13:44
@Simon tim hortons or krispy kreme?
@FEichinger every time you open this tab, I just want to slap someone.
@kalina I thought he would at least be able to read.
@RоryMcCune It's his term of endearment for her probably.
@FEichinger yourself for coming back for more abuse from @kalina ?
@RоryMcCune She'd be more like a Tim Horton's one, yeah. Lower quality, you know.
13:45
@FEichinger is it @Simon? I bet it's @Simon.
@kalina ... Different kind of slapping, dear. Different kind of slapping.
@AviD Recently it's more @Lighty ... But they're alternating a bit.
@FEichinger With the D?
not that it's any of my business but if you say yes I will hate you
@FEichinger I think @Lighty is @Simon's sockpuppet. Yknow, when he wants to say something really brainless or annoying.
@RоryMcCune Nah, I'm used to that.
@AviD But @Simon says enough of that himself already.
13:46
@FEichinger forgets to alt tab
everything is relative.
brainless no, stupid yes, annoyying? yes
@AviD That has the assumption that @Simon is smart enough to distinguish between something brainless and something really brainless.
@FEichinger Honestly, if you get affected emotionally by this chat, it might be time to consider that a social life can be great
@kalina Teeheehee.
13:47
@Simon says you.
@kalina Ha! How often do you see me here when I'm not at work? NEVA.
@Simon many times
How would you know anyway?
You silly outdated chocolate donut.
@Simon Wait, you have a job?
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what @Terry said
13:50
Yes, I harvest strawberries.
@Simon On Farmville?
ahahahahahahahaha
.
And when I'm feeling really wild, I do raspberries.
I'm bored again now
you're boring me
and no, I don't mean sex
wat
13:52
@kalina Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
@kalina You should master the art of reverse bass.
"reverse bass"
@Simon Is that in the kama sutra?
if you're talking about a bass with a slow attack, I've got it covered already
@TerryChia Yeah, it's really dirty.
13:55
did not click, you couldn't be bothered to give me a timed link
if you can't be bothered why should I care?
I DON'T FUCKING KNOW HOW
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LET ME FIGURE IT OUT FFS
@Simon Story of your life.
@Simon did not click, you couldn't be bothered to give me a link to MUSIC
did not click: ancient history now
several new genres came into existence while you were working out how to share a timed link
13:58
@AviD You listened to The Veldt last week.
@Simon did I?
Yep.
@Simon Don't feel bad, @AviD is at the point in his life where he only remembers music from his youth.
lulz
I <3 Italian producers
I was going to try to dominate the star wall by making a variety of quick pointless starbaiting statements
14:00
@TerryChia seriously. Often I will open a folder, and forget why the hell I'm there. Or open a browser, and in the fraction of a second it takes to open up, forget where I was going.
I was going to start off with "Mmmm... Pussy is so delicious", referring to the energy drink
and I went to find a picture ready for when I got banned
@kalina but then you realized you could not compete with @Simon's pointless statements?
by googling "mtv pussy"
and immediately regretted it.
@AviD You should ask @RoryAlsop what he takes to boost his memory.
@TerryChia why?
14:01
@AviD Hehehe
I remember when I was getting suspended. Good old days.
@AviD I'm far better at getting stars than simon is
I'm better at listening to good music than you are.
@Simon shame you'll never be more than a consumer.
OF MY OXYGEN
@Simon oh! when did you start listening to good music?
14:03
Meh, still have no idea if I should get into producing. It would consume some of my free time that could be dedicated to something else that has a better chance to work out.
@Simon I remember when @Manish used his kick script on you. Good old days.
@Simon like making stupid comments?
@AviD LIKE BOMBING YOUR STUPID PYRAMIDS.
@Simon Please don't. There's enough terrible music in the world.
@Simon lol, you seem confused.
14:04
@Simon Stupid comment #45678423534
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@RoryAlsop Is that "accidentally wrote a 1 direction song" as in, they wrote it in the process of falling down the stairs with their guitar, or afterwards with their broken guitar and equally damaged brain?
Oh my god, do you guys really think that I'm that dumb? Blargh, don't even answer, actually.
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@TerryChia I would tell you...if I could remember
seriously though, that really made me laugh. a lot.
@Iszi probably either
@Simon yes... er... no... wait, what was the question again?
@Simon do I bully you? @Gilles thinks I bully you.
@FEichinger There can be no better response.
@AviD Sometimes it does look like bullying but I can take it, it's ok.
@Simon yeah, thats what your mom said.
14:08
awww
here, take this tissue and dry your tears
Did I ever talk about my autism to you guys?
@Simon Maybe, we might have forgot about it.
I wish I had autism, at least it would be a good excuse.
@Simon Autism isn't an excuse
Thanks Henry.
14:14
its bob
-5
Q: php trying to make auto donation page

hwezsomething wrong with it i cant figure it out. that's the source : http://pastebin.com/JUHVvQEz

any votes for worst question of the year?
inb4 "of course, it's about php!"
whulp, its pool weather out.
very refreshing.... needed to move around for a bit.
@Simon @Lighty this looks more like split-personality disorder...
@AviD you know too much
I do hear that often.
14:28
@FEichinger eugh, php
@kalina I do hear that often.
ooooooooo @simon
uses kick script
:p
hehe ^^
Hello there.
Alas, I no longer have more than twice the reputation of the #2 user in "all times" rep.
I also am no longer the sole owner of a tag-based gold badge.
Does that make you feel sad?
14:42
is it TomLeek? I bet its TomLeek. I hate that guy.
@ManishEarth I disapprove even in the existence of such a thing
@AviD TomRiddle
@kalina I rarely use it, and only to annoy Simon
#yolo
or to temporarily silence a user that I don't want to ban across chat
@ManishEarth I still don't approve
even @Simon doesn't deserve to be kicked.
14:44
IT'S TOM LEEK
@AviD I FEED ON YOUR HATE.
EVERYONE HIDE
I feel so strongly about this particular issue that I'm defending Simon.
@kalina you dont approve of an anti-@Simon script??
that should be a sign to take what I'm saying seriously!
14:44
@kalina @Simon, this is @kalina's fault.
wat
@AviD no, merely that it kicks
@kalina ahhh, now I get it. Like how some people hate ducks.
How often do you meet people that hate ducks?
14:45
"hate ducks"?
hate what about them?
OH NOES THEY HAVE BEAKS
RUN AWAY
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Q: Remove the kicking command, or improve it

badpKicking in chat is pretty useless and/or pointless. Everything that happens when you are kicked is, you are sent to the room list. There's no kick message, no "kicked by" message, no kick reason, nothing. For all a user knows, it's either a transient bug or a network hiccup. How is that useful? ...

That's what I'm trying to figure out.
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Q: Impose a re-entry delay on users kicked out of a chat room

Robert HarveyCurrently, moderators can kick users out of a room. I've done this to two users now, and they just come right back into the room. I conclude that it's not effective for its presumed purpose (slowing down trolls or other troublemakers, on a room-specific basis). I propose that a delay be impose...

@kalina /cc @Simon google "duck genitalia arms race"
@Manish I'm not saying the system is perfect
@kalina it was created to fix that problem, basically
14:46
@ManishEarth erm... no
and it's been used for that
@kalina (seriously though, from a scientific POV the topic is fascinating. If a bit gross)
a 'Kick' is only effective when it displays a reason message, i personally use it on my server as a form of stopping someone, but mainly for warning, because a black screen with the text "You have been kicked for: [reason]" has quite an impact, since its right in your face.
... ô.o
ô_ô
@Lighty So mods usually leave a couple of warnings first
14:47
Unless it's @AviD
/me --> lunch
@ManishEarth you know full well my issue is from misuse and abuse, rather than people actually using it properly
@ManishEarth there are people who either ignore or don't see it in the heat of something, depends on the situation, kicking (in the way i do it) makes a warning or message perfectly clear
@Simon ymean "unless its @Simon".
Am I a mod?
14:48
@Lighty nope, the SE implementation of kicking returns you to the chat index page with no messages to anybody
@kalina no, I didn't. In that case, I sort of agree.
@kalina i know, thats why its a useless thing
Though when I have used it on Simon it was in good humor and he was okay with it :p
@ManishEarth psh, fine :P
enjoy lunch
wait, dinner i mean
14:49
enjoy food.
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\o/
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14:50
...
@LucasKauffman Nice to see we're back on-topic.
I TAKE OFFENCE
OH MY GOD ME TOO
if this keeps up, somebody's gonn' get kicked. I bet its @Simon.
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...to @fei repeatedly dot dot dotting
14:50
@LucasKauffman Remember when the entire star wall was that?
@TerryChia back in the day
@kalina ಠ_ಠ
The good old days when @Iszi was the only female in the room.
@FEichinger exactly, you don't see me stealing your stupid face so stop stealing my dot dot dotting
14:51
@kalina .... xD
@kalina Don't you have a song to write? ;)
@FEichinger I don't even steal your ugly face either
heh, my girlfreinds name is dot..
@TerryChia I've written it
today's track is called bored20140619
@kalina No no, the dotdotdot song.
14:52
@Lighty So she is imaginary after all.
I haven't started it
@TerryChia NO
@FEichinger hm, no :3
because I can't motivate myself creatively to make a track without the intention of actually giving a shit about its existence once I'm done
if it helps you shuttup I'll stick the sample on a track I've already thrown away and rename it
@kalina Why don't you produce something hard for once?
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@Simon TWHS!
14:54
@TerryChia TWSS, too.
@Simon nearly all of my music falls under the genre of "hard dance"
@TerryChia I almost said "Like my D" but it sounded inappropriate.
@kalina do you sell it?
@kalina Your kicks are soft as nobs.
@Simon I was about to say "@Simon you and I are the most mature people in the room right now" but then you typed something
14:55
@Simon wanna see my kick?
aaaw come one
that was star worthy
@LucasKauffman "do I sell it" ?
@kalina the music
no I pay my bills with monopoly money
...
@AviD Old men are not flexible enough to show me their kick.
14:56
@kalina I tried that one time ... Didn't work out too well.
@LucasKauffman i know. thats why i took it away. anything inappropriate gets starred here.
@Simon happy?
Your kick is so mainstream.
Progressive House kid.
@LucasKauffman yes, I currently have a variety of tracks signed to labels waiting for release
What's the name of the label?
I'm not telling you anything.
14:58
Fine, be a turtle.
I like turtles.
@FEichinger I'm trying to be inclusive. :P
@Simon sorry, I have a minimum quality level I expect from my fans
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