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Dan
1:00 PM
I spent 25 minutes this morning battling with a progress bar in Visual Studio this morning
 
i rebuilt my desktop this morning
what fun
 
Ive got Baby Brain (5 week old newborn) the other day I unplugged our PBX servers redudent PSU thinking it was my Laptop charger (was working in the server room) redudent suppplies are mains fed.. forgetting I had just been in there with my laptop to order a new Main PSU....
 
bet you were popular
 
Dan
@t1nt1n Have you considered allowing the baby to take your position for a while?
 
1:04 PM
g'day murderers
 
Dan
@TomOConnor What on /earth/?
 
@TomOConnor - what is that post about? I don't even...
 
Precisely
 
ooh the raspberry pi has apparently gone into productionj
 
yeah, imagine the micro-industries that are going to grow out of them - I'll want some kind of case for one for a start
 
1:08 PM
herp-a-derp
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Q: Impossible to use http://howto.basjes.nl/contact-info

Alain CochardSorry, I don't know how to contact you in another way. Filling and submitting the form at http://howto.basjes.nl/contact-info consistently fails on various hardware+software+country combination -- so it must come from your side. It repeatedly gives Proxy Error The proxy server received an...

 
I have to say I want one for myself to play with. And I live in hope that the college will order a couple of thousand for lesson use
 
oh boo Tom beat meh.
 
@ewwhite That's when I tell my client to either go with KVM or Citrix Xen. If they don't even want to spend money on the hardware, then why use ESX ?
 
Dan
An acquaintance on Facebook has posted a picture of a Police speedtrap on a local road. From his mobile phone. From within his car. While driving....
 
@Dan How much did the ticket cost 'em?
 
Dan
1:14 PM
@TylerShads Well, he got away with it for now by the looks of it, but seriously!
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman Brilliant!
 
And this is why I'm a recluse :)
 
haha
 
@tombull89 Ha, i know the owner of the site :D
funny
 
1:18 PM
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Q: I want to use mail@mydomain, but user mail already exists (Debian 6)

user59240I'm trying to create a user "mail" in my fresh VPS (Debian 6), so I can use the email address mail@mydomain, but I receive the error useradd: user 'mail' already exists Indeed, /etc/passwd contains the line mail:x:8:8:mail:/var/mail:/bin/sh Can I set the password, login and use it for my pe...

why not get postfix and a few virtual users ?
btw if the user doesn't have a homefolder, would he not still be able to receive mail since it is stored in /var/mail/ ?
 
@LucasKauffman Depends... Using Maildir perhaps. Then it would just error
 
Dan
Can anyone independently verify the comment by Tozz here
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Q: Hotmail sending email to A record not MX records

PeterBI have my website hosted at one location, on a server that also accepts email, and I use Google Apps for mail as my email provider. I've had no problems in the last 18 months, and no reports of email being lost. This week however, someone using Hotmail has tried emailing me. 25-50% of the emails...

 
Smells like bullshit
My domain is hosted on a VPS
mail by Google Apps
that would mean, I could never get an email from a hotmail user
 
Don't forget hotmail is run by NS
 
hard to believe...
 
1:26 PM
@LucasKauffman If you're using a system that delivers to the home dir, yes, he'd have a problem still.
 
Dan
That's what I thought - it just doesn't sound 'right' at all
 
@BartDeVos yea but have you got a mailserver running on your vps ?
 
But you can use a mail system that delivers to a central mail spool or database instead and it would be fine.
 
@LucasKauffman Jep
 
But you're still asking for trouble in my opinion to have a user named "mail" for getting email...as your "personal" email name.
His answer to my question doesn't even make sense.
 
1:27 PM
@BartSilverstrim That's indeed retarded
 
"Why are you using mail for your username instead of your username?"
"Because mydomain is already my name."
O_o
How he makes that connection is beyond me. Derp.
 
Dan
Kinda like me - my domain is my name, which does make having a dan@ kind of redundant as it can only ever be me
 
same here
bart@bartdevos.be
 
Dan
So I guess in that circumstance, mail@would make sense
 
Um...that would make it stupid to have anyone named "sam" at samsclub.com.
 
1:29 PM
Redundancy ministry of redundancy ...
 
Or any of the hundreds of other businesses owned by operators with a name or family name in the domain.
 
Dan
(Though I do use dan@ for personal stuff. Everyone else gets their own, e.g. stackexchange@)
 
I have tom@tombullock. YOU MEAN I CANT DO THAT?! aahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaah
 
Dan
No I'm just saying I can see why he got the idea
 
1:30 PM
He might be right
 
Dan
@BartSilverstrim That's different cos you have multiple people sitting on that domain. ALL e-mail to any account at my domain comes to me, regardless
 
just as well he's not got a custom tld, like .tom. Then it could be tom@tombullock.tom
 
Michiel KlaverLevel 1

07/01/2011
Known problem: Check your webserver mail logs, Hotmail seems to send mail directly to A-records when it can find any listening port 25 (SMTP) there, completely ignoring your MX records.

You are not alone:
http://www.windowslivehelp.com/thread.aspx?threadid=54f5abf2-d598-4704-a9a8-57095bd53896
http://www.dorianmoore.com/works/6318/working-round-hotmail-live-msn-email-failing-to-deliver-email
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Apps/thread?tid=2ea606288163b56a&hl=en
seems it is not a load of bull :p
 
On the internet it doesn't matter what your domain is, no one knows what sits behind the name.
username@domain.com. If that confuses your users trying to email you, you obviously have the misconception that users read and comprehend what they're emailing to.
 
Dan
@BartSilverstrim I'm not sure I follow - surely this is just about appearence
@LucasKauffman Well, cripes! Just another reason to avoid Hotmail
 
1:33 PM
@Dan Thanks for the info
something to keep in mind when troubleshooting Google-Apps-Stuff
 
You said the @dherman comes to you regardless. For end users it doesn't matter...stackexchange.com could be a multinational or a kid in the basement. No one knows what the emails come to, aliases or multiple employees or bots.
Dammit, now the stupid stars work.
emailing bob@bob.com to me just means you're emailing the owner if I'm lucky...
It's still a silly reason to try to make your personal email named mail@... instead of your username, or a variation of your username.
 
Dan
@BartSilverstrim I'm not sure I agree entirely. I don't entirely agree with him either, but I can see his logic.
I'm assuming his is a personal address, btw
 
@BartSilverstrim I think you can buy your own TLD's now (since yesterday). That would make it bob@bob.bob
how cool would that be
Bit pricy... +/- 180k USD
 
@BartDeVos did you tell the owner of that site about the question? He's commented :P
@BartDeVos Yeah, not cheap.
 
You can disagree, doesn't make you right :-P
 
1:37 PM
@tombull89 Sent him a mail, yes :)
 
It's entirely possible to create a mail user alias and have it work. No question. but he's clearly a beginner and using it for a microsite. Hence, more complicated than he's probably ready to delve into.
Now that Dan has posted his email, how long before the googlebots and spamvesters get him? :-)
 
Dan
bugger!
 
They won't care that you're dan@dan* either :-P
 
Dan
(Though that's also the reason that I use lots and lots of, uh, what DO you call the first bit of an e-mail....)
 
linkbait?
 
Dan
1:39 PM
Hmm
 
or why not do me@dan.
 
Dan
@LucasKauffman That was my old one, but I went off it
 
@lucaskauffman: Because I'm emailing you , not myself, derp.
 
I've got a hello@tombullock for most stuff.
 
Dan
I like it when companies ask for my e-mail on the phone - it confuses the fuck out of some people.

"What's your e-mail"
"Ooh, use abcenterprises@mydomain.com"
"What?"
"Yeah, abccenterprises@mydomain.com"
"But, but, that's our name."
[Repeat]
 
1:43 PM
must look like black magic to some of them
 
@Dan We have a dedicated support box for all clients
because of different SLAs and such
try explaining to mss Herp that she needs to email a mailbox with her company name, and not ours
that was fun
 
Dan
Mehe
 
wikipediablackout.com <-- For anyone who hasn't seen that Wikipedia Blackout effort yet.
 
@BartDeVos that's very common practice, even with large corporates - some people are just...silly
 
@Chopper3 Indeed, she just didn't get it
 
1:47 PM
@ChrisS I still don't think doing a blackout is a smart idea, you are shutting down the sites where discussions are made about SOPA...
 
@LucasKauffman If there is one place people will notice, it's wikipedia
and facebook/google
 
The discussions are made and known by people who care already. Blacking out the sites will make people who don't have a clue about it ask questions.
 
yea for sure
 
Reddit going dark is nice, but won't help
 
Google first. People think google is the internet.
 
1:48 PM
@LucasKauffman The simple truth is that a very small percentage of people are aware of SOPA and PIPA... Congressmen do not care about small percentages.
 
only a day though isn't it - plus imagine all the people out there that have never heard of SOPA but may read a one-pager when they go to lookup snooki's real name or whatever
 
Be funny if anonymous took down the government sites for a SOPA blackout...
 
@BartSilverstrim Haven't heard from them in ages
 
are they still active?
 
1:49 PM
Was snooki a thing from star wars?
 
Dan
@BartSilverstrim I fucking hate Anonymous
 
Wiki being down for a single day will get it on national news more likely than not; I guarantee you at least double digit percentage of people will hear about SOPA & PIPA after.
 
Ask him. I think he hangs on on 4chan.
Most national news outlets are owned by pro-SOPA companies.
 
@BartSilverstrim Last month they released about 1 million CC numbers on pastebin stolen from some big security company
 
Hence why SOPA isn't advertised in the first place.
...why did the security company have a million valid CC numbers in the first place?
 
1:50 PM
@BartSilverstrim Because encryption was too cool for them !
let me see if I can find the link
 
Encryption was overrated
 
Thought storing them was against security regulations? Or at least unencrypted?
Go to 4chan and complain. Use Dan's email address.
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It was stratfor
@BartSilverstrim At least they should indeed encrypt them, but sites like paypal and amazon store CC aswell
 
@tombull89 Which is which? I'm confused.
 
1:52 PM
@BartSilverstrim pastebin.com/f7jYf5Wd
 
I mentioned earlier, imgur are likely going dark and not displaying any images. SE will have to check that they don't include the stack.imgur domain otherwise we'll find ourselves without any images.
 
Here's a hole log about the stratfor hack : cryptome.org/0005/stratfor-hack.htm
 
@tombull89 A day without Lolcats?
 
no kan haz cheezbergers?
 
It truly IS the APOCALYPSE
 
1:53 PM
As a Brit, SOPA, if it passes will cause issues, but not as much as if I lived in the US.
 
One problem with Stratfor is that the list of users/pass/CC is an aggregate of a whole bunches of their subsidiaries.
 
must..play...Friday...ease...the...pain...
 
So talking to customers who were on the list was a bitch.
 
I semi want it to pass so when half the internet shuts down [america] would be "oops...maybe that wasn't a good idea"
 
Guess they should have been more paranoid about their security procedures.
 
1:54 PM
reminds me of the bullshit they tried to do here in Belgium by shutting down thepiratebay
 
Congress doesn't give a shit.
 
But I know it would be bad for a) google b) SE c) reddit e) imgur
 
Most of them don't even use their own emails.
 
@BartSilverstrim Yeah, actually following your regulatory and industry compliances is definitely a good start.
 
@LucasKauffman imagine if they pulled waffles.be - riots
 
1:55 PM
@scottpack: you'd think so.
 
@BartSilverstrim I'm not a fan of checklist auditing, but FFS at least then you did something on the checklist!
 
SOPA Emergency list :)
 
Truth is that much of the world works fine with "good enough" until it doesn't.
 
@LucasKauffman Here in belgium
Belgian to? :) Hello!
 
@Chopper3 it's not about the shutdown, it's more on the how, it took them two times, because the firsttime they blocked www.thepiratebay.org only, so going to thepiratebay.org still worked ...
@BartDeVos ohai ^^
 
1:56 PM
haha
 
@tombull89 It might destroy all your favorite websites, but at least they'd have a hard time suing you...
 
Belgium? that place is what, thirty square miles?
Do you know Jean Claude Van Damme!?
 
Owned
 
@BartSilverstrim Yeah sure
the muscles from brussels ;)
 
@BartSilverstrim The only Belgium I know of is waffles.
 
1:57 PM
@tombull89 Add every site with user comments too, Slashdot, every news site out there, blogs, pastebin.....
 
@scottpack: they have an ihop?
 
Slashdot is dying anyway
 
lol, people forget we produce about 87% of the small arms for US Army :p
it's more than just waffles ^^
 
bruges is aces - plus vincent kompany's from belgium - but I have mental block thinking about the place without thinking waffles waffles waffles!
 
@BartSilverstrim What? No. I have a thingy on my counter that says something about Belgium waffles.
 
1:58 PM
@BartDeVos yes, but they should be allowed to fail, not erased from the intertubes by a silly lawsuit.
 
@Chopper3 how about beer :P ?
 
In other words, all the sites that informed geeks use will go black to tell the informed geeks about the thing they want to protest, while the ones that don't care wouldn't understand in the first place (except facebook and google going down)
 
oh yes, barely sober the whole time I was in bruges
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I always love taking English friends out, they start drinking duvel like it's regular beer, 3 hours later either puking or pasted out on the floor xD
 
@LucasKauffman Know the feeling
always fun :)
 
2:00 PM
@LucasKauffman It's not regular beer? Pussies.
 
@ScottPack It's beer, but just about 3 to 4 times as strong as usual
 
@LucasKauffman I know. Good stuff.
Granted, I haven't had any since I started paying my own beer bills. It's a tad pricey here in the States.
 
How much they charge ? I remember getting charged 4 euro for a hoegaarden once
 
@LucasKauffman If I wanted to drink paint thinner I would
 
@ChrisS It's good tasting paint thinner tho ^^
 
2:12 PM
I've been listening to the childish gambino album all day, does something odd to your brain after a while
 
"aggressive read-ahead" would be a good name for a band.
 
Does chat in-line twitter posts?
apparently so.
 
son's band is on hold while they do their exams but they were called 'just the tip' for a while
 
that's descriptive.
 
they were 'penguin nuts' for a while too
 
2:17 PM
I also like "shovelfight"
 
@t1nt1n DotNetNuke?
 
Dan
God I love recruiters
I've just been offered a great opportunity after he saw my CV. A 1st Line Support Engineer, £13k starting
 
@Dan You're taking the piss.
 
Dan
@TomOConnor I am not :D
 
How do you hate anonymous?
 
Dan
2:27 PM
@Basil In the same way that I hate rioters and protesters that think "protesting" involves smashing shit up
 
I hate censorship more than I hate protests.
 
Paging @PeterGrace
 
Dan
@Basil I hate that too, but the two aren't mutually exclusive. I hate the establishment, too :D
 
@GraceNote thanks :)
 
I have nothing against an establishment that actually represents the people who power it, but that's not what we have
 
2:30 PM
@Dan I love the establishment, well when it's paying me anyway - but I'm increasinly left-wing the older I get
 
And I don't equate hactivism with thugs looting irl
 
Dan
@Basil See, I do
 
well that would make you wrong, but I'm prepared to accept that.
 
@Dan Who the hell is paying 13k? That's practically minimum wage.
 
Dan
@Basil Looting may not be the correct term, but I don't see that hacking a banks website is any different to going in and smashing the place up - from a philosophical PoV
 
2:32 PM
there's no personal gain
 
Dan
There's no gain from vandalism, either
 
@SmallClanger - who offers £13k? seen many adverts for jobs in uk education?
 
Dan
@RobMoir Indeed. My first job started me on just over 11k in 2004
 
There are places still paying that now :(
There are places paying £17k and calling the post "network manager".
 
Dan
I know, dude
It ain't good
 
2:37 PM
nope. The same people who hire staff on that basis then complain about poor staff skills
 
Dan
Yep, and wonder why they can't attract the same people as business
 
@RobMoir that's just abusive, imagine how shitty you'd get treated at that rate
cleaners make more don't they?
 
I agree chopper
 
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Dan
@Chopper3 Schools really don't like to admit that ICT is a high skill area and that it should be commanding wages equivalent to their senior teaching staff
 
2:40 PM
The college I work at pays quite well - still less than what I'd make in industry (and add the pension on top of my wages and it looks even better) - but very well indeed compared to other educational places
but that's very much the exception rather than the rule.
 
Dan
@RobMoir You're a proper college, though, aren't you Rob?
 
yes we are @dan but believe me there are plenty of places in the college space that don't pay well
 
Dan
@RobMoir Oh, for sure. But secondary is even worse - especially when you consider that some of the bigger ones have 1500+ users
 
@Dan In my college the sysadmins get nice hours, also they get to go seminars and conferences on the college's budget when they want, even during working period without taking a holiday. So they aren't paid that well, but they are compensated in another way
and yes I'm still in college :p
 
Yeah that's the thing that makes me laugh. Several thousand users would be considered a pretty large enterprise outside of education and budgeted for accordingly, both in terms of equipment and salary for staff
 
2:43 PM
@RobMoir Never been tempted to move into the commercial sector? more pressure I'd imagine but bigger budgets, newer tech and considerably less students and teachers
 
Lucas, if these seminars are considered training (ok we might all know that they end up as piss ups, but still...) then being given training to do your job isn't compensation.
 
In Canada, teachers are paid very little- with 25 years of seniority and tenure, they make as much as an entry level storage admin.
 
Dan
@Chopper3 Literally the best move I ever made
 
@chopper3 I've been in and out of commerce. I'm always willing to listen to offers. The college poached me from Hallmark cards
 
Dan
Doubled my wages in 3 years
 
2:44 PM
Secondary is the worst, I remember a few friends of mine did a project in a secundary school to proof that Ubuntu would be liked better than windows. They wanted to cast the images with PXE, until they found out they still were using 10 mbit hubs...
 
1st Line Support Engineer. Funny, that's basically my job description. Junior Technician - in a school. Herpa Derp.
 
@RobMoir How many 'Sorry you're leaving' cards did you get?
 
@RobMoir Yea for sure, but still you know it's not :p
 
(that's a lie, I'm the only technician ;) )
 
chopper... the marketing team brainstormed to pick one a geek would like....
 
2:45 PM
But I know my college has some pretty neat equipment, they run on gbit fibre, so I dont think I can complain :p
 
20Gb fibre backbone, 10Gb to each server, 1Gb to the desktop here. We're not so bad
 
@RobMoir I wasnt talking about the internal network, but the connection to the network :p
*internet
 
oh. we're getting by on 1Gb here too
 
Our internet is...laughable (although it's been much, much worse)
 
and two /24s to hang our devices off of
 
2:49 PM
mmm I don't know how many IP's they have, for our VPS we need to manage for a course we all get a dedicated IP
so that's at least /25
 
LOL
poor tom
my internet at home is even better :P
 
most of the big universities have, or had a /8
 
@RobMoir In the US or any other Uni that joined Arpa
 
@LucasKauffman I did one last year and it was 10 down and 42 up o.O
 
2:50 PM
@tombull89 I'd check your traffic for leechers :p
 
I think speedtest is a little fucked
The whole time the meter says I'm over 230Mbps and then it tells me I averaged 33Mbps
 
@tombull89 SHABOOZEY IN YO FACE
 
@LucasKauffman Well, it's currently a 10GB line running four...five schools...I believe.
@TylerShads this is for a school? or just at home?
 
@tombull89 How many users :s ?
 
@tombull89 work
 
2:51 PM
@TylerShads bleh
 
digdigdig
 
@LucasKauffman averge of 1000/school.
 
This is home:
 
I could do it over the weekend and I'd get semi-decent results out of it.
What a difference.
 
Actually, I think the speedtest servers might be the bottleneck, not my connection
 
2:53 PM
 
@tombull89 What's the normal speed you think ?
 
@LucasKauffman download speed, on a good day, is less that 512kb/s. When it was school holiday I got 3MB/sec
 
@RobMoir America's speeds suck =/
 
I think that speedtest is the bottleneck here. also we limit individual connections so that one person can't monster the whole connection
 
 
2:54 PM
Also on a side note while I was digging, I found this
 
I do wonder why we don't have some Virgin Media Home Broadband-like thing.
 
@Iain That's unfortunate...I thought BE were quite good.
 
I have a 10GB pipe :)
I know, I know, it's not how large your pipe is, but how you use it
 
Guy I work with likes Be. I suppose no matter how good the ISP is, they can't do anything about the line going to your house
 
2:55 PM
@tombull89 I think it's the local lines, my neighbours have <1/3 of my speed
 
but still. I have a 10GB pipe.
 
I think Virgin are supposed to be upgrading their home connections again. 50Mb to 100Mb
 
Most public schools can't go and sort their own internet as all their filtering is done off-site. We, however, do have the ability for local filtering, so it's definately an option in the future.
 
... and probably still leave the upload speed at 10%
there's no way I'd move us away from the JANET connection. We pay peanuts for an exceptional connection package
 
Nov 16 '11 at 21:27, by tombull89
@Holocryptic You know what is really really sad? At home we still use AOL (or the UK AOL/TalkTalk Broadband partnership). Service has become more and more ropey and something of a family meme. Dad got a questionnaire earlier today from them asking about the service. One of his answers is "I am embarassed to tell my friends I have an AOL email address"...and so am I. But as all my main accounts are linked to it and it doesn't do e-mail forward then I'm stuck.
:(
 
2:56 PM
It took me a fierce battle between me and the Belgacom support to get me a decent line at home. Before I only had 1 mbit, because they "only" had ADSL lying around. So I always called them and they would always send a technician. After 4 technicians in 3 weeks there was suddenly a VDSL option they would upgrade me to for free.
 
(it does do forwarding now though)
 
had 100 Mbit up and down for 2 days, then they capped me :<
 
doh
 
They had to replace several Km of cable in the main road this time last year and my speed improved with that
 
@tombull89 AOL has pop3 access, many other e-mail providers can pull your e-mail from them automatically.
My father-in-law is setup that way. Had AOL, has the e-mail still. But their support for tablets and whatnot is so flaky I ended up making him an account on my server and just pulling in his AOL e-mail.
 
3:05 PM
lol job advertisement : Looking for a junior administrator : must know HP EVA Storage, HP Blade enclosure c7000 (configuration and maintenance) and HP Proliant servers, configuration and maintenance
correct me if I'm wrong but in some companies isn't HP EVA storage a job on its own ?
 
yep
 
depends if it's 'just watching for red lights on a single array then phoning hp' or 'designing the arse out of loads of them'
that's just made up words though right
:)
 
true :p
 
I had a call off a recruiter looking for an experienced VoD platform designer, offering something like £60k, told them they'd get muppets for that, same guy came back a few weeks later offering 50% more, the term 'told you so' was used :)
 
pfo
3:13 PM
@Chopper3 just out of plain interest, the 90K pounds (is that a gross figure?) are roughly 110K EUR - does the guy have to live in london?
 
that was a job in west london yes, this was about august/september time, no idea who went for it but it's a small world
 
pfo
and is it gross or net the 90K GBP?
 
before tax
 
pfo
oh man, that surely isn't a lot when you have to live in london.
 
whenever work in the uk is mentioned it's before tax, so say £750/day would be a contractor rate before corporation tax (20%) and say £100k/pa would be permanent work before (24%-40% tax)
 
pfo
3:19 PM
yeah, same here.
 
I dunno. £90k would be a decent raise from where I am now
 
exactly - and they wanted someone who'd led the build out of a known platform etc.
you're not in london though are you rob?
 
I woudln't complain if I got a raise to 90k :P
 
Is this English sentence correct : Many IT professionals ought those advertisements as a security thread.
 
pfo
@Chopper3 and social insurance you have to pay on your own, right?
 
3:20 PM
@LucasKauffman no
 
it contains English words. I'd hesitate to describe it as a sentence.
 
@LucasKauffman no
 
actually, it makes no sense at all
 
It's not mine, but I was wondering if it was me or the English :p
 
3:21 PM
@pfo yes but for employees it's capped at something like 9%
 
Maybe "Many IT professionals see those advertisements as a security threat"
 
or ought to see those advertisements...
 
pfo
@Chopper3 I see, thanks for the info. scary though to know that a really qualified person would only get 100K before tax and has to pay london real estate prices (which IMHO are insane).
 
@LucasKauffman "ought to" = "should" roughly
 
@MDMarra I c
 
pfo
3:23 PM
@Chopper3 some of my friends are running their companies in UK since you have the flat 25% taxation for contracting
 
@pfo didn't say they got someone for that, no idea what they paid in the end or if they got someone but there idea of getting someone for 60k was as insulting as that 17k job before
@pfo can be less, that's how I operate
 
pfo
@Chopper3 I'm self-employed too, but in the 100K region your total after tax and social insurence converges to something like 45%
 
a lot of places are trying to shave their rates down to take advantage of how desperate people are with all the redundancies going around
 
pfo
so 100K gets you roughly 53-55 K in the end - but with social insurance (health, pension, now even unemployment) and all that
 
@pfo In the Uk you get something like the first 5k tax free, then you pay 24%(?) on the first about 30 after that then 40% on anything over that, so you'd do better than than in the end
@RobMoir there's such a gulf between the sectors that are having zero problems and other sectors - i.e. banks never dropped their rates for a second
 
pfo
3:26 PM
here is 10K tax free, the next 10K above that 10%, next 10K 20%, next 10K 30%, next 10K 40%, next 10 40% etc. for taxes and social insurance is 17.5% of a maximum of 45K pa.
 
fair enough @chopper3 - nice for those people who are in banking. I think a few other sectors took a real hammering
 
pfo
so you converge to 50% for total after tax in to 100K region
 
oh totally
even media's not been touched as bad
 
pfo
@Chopper3 but the difference here is that we don't pay for schools, university, next to nothing for public transport, etc.
 
you have to pay for that stuff yourself right?
 
pfo
3:29 PM
nope, you don't have to pay for that.
and for 2-3K per month you can live really central in 3-4 bed room roof-top apartments or in a villa outside the city - and the city offers a decent quality of living (according to mercer.com/press-releases/quality-of-living-report-2011).
i was visting a friend that is in east london and for 2K GBP he's basically living in a dump while the neighborhood is known for gang wars and stuff like that
and how could someone live from 17K GBP a year in a city like london?!
that is beyond slavery imho
 
woo! 1,001 rep on bricks.se.
 
3:47 PM
@pfo that sounds about right - london's fucked up
 
@RebeccaChernoff It is snowing here today. I blame you.
 
blame me all you want. won't make it my fault. (:
 
(also seriously - it's tiny flurries, they won't stick, you can't tell the difference between this and rain unless you STARE at them melting on your windshield: WHY are people losing the ability to drive?)
@RebeccaChernoff You said the word :P
 
One reason I love my current job
I get to play /test new bits of software out
 
3:58 PM
*raises hand*
What practical applications does dumping green slime on a cube have? :)
 
@t1nt1n I call that "I do not know what I am doing, I do not like google and especially do not want to spend money" syndrome
 
@voretaq7 It's a fluid dynamics simulation test.
 
@LucasKauffman do you think it would be wrong if I created an anwser saying visit justfuckinggoogleit.com
 

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