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In the blog post, Updating Navigation for Stack Overflow, Enterprise, and Stack Exchange Sites, we are introduced to the concept for a new left sidebar for navigation. This blog post does indicate that they are attempting to address concerns of users with smaller screen sizes: What about peop...

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Mithrandir Time to buy a high-res monitor

Undo

It does that even at half size on a 2560-wide monitor

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Undo then it's time to drop the zoom from 500%

or buy some glasses :)

Catija

8:15 PM

And the user edit profile page, the full content area goes missing when the page is too narrow, which seems like a big problem.

Undo

I run 'em at 125%, mostly because that's how Windows came set up and I'm used to it now

Mithrandir

okay this is a seriously awful way of separating private and public q/a

Undo

yeah, that won't last very long.

Catija

Yeah, I really am not a fan of the "Stack Overflow" logo returning channels content above actual SO content.

... and I don't even use SO.

WELZ

they should just make it it's own "private" site (like they do with private betas...

@Catija same

Catija

8:16 PM

I've been saying that for... well... since the first time I heard about Channels.

angussidney

@Catija Channels is primarily aimed at technical teams, were just an outlier

Catija

But they want users to be able to search SO at the same time as their channel.

@angussidney I know that... but by focusing that way, they're ... cutting off their nose to spite their face... if you will. I understand the draw but it's way more complicated to implement it this way and it makes it confusing for any team that wants to use the product but have no or little technical implementation.

John Dvorak

@Catija without resorting to the would-be-super-useful network-wide search?

Catija

Considering that Search at all is patched together from random bits and bobs... eh.

Most people who want to search SO... use Google... or whatever search engine they use.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Has spectrum analysis ever been used successfully to analyse historical price data? by steve swanson on quant.SE

John Dvorak

8:19 PM

Unlike the network-wide one, which is rebranded Google search and thus much more useful

Magisch

@angussidney we are a technical team though

this is a spam classifying and machine training operation

:D

John Dvorak

I'm tempted to just nuke the menu with uBlock

WELZ

!!/help

SmokeDetector

@WELZ I'm SmokeDetector a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.

Catija

I'm trying to decide between a FR that allows Channels testers to turn off the Channels view... and... something else.

I'm also not really sure at this point how helpful bug reports are, since I'm pretty sure it's nowhere near ready.

John Dvorak

8:24 PM

It also messes up the layout vs. other sites

Undo

Worst case, they already know

John Dvorak

Well, one more reason to never visit SO again :P

WELZ

@tripleee:

Jan 26 at 0:46, by ArtOfCode

metasmoke

Click to get context

Undo

Jan 26 at 1:09, by ArtOfCode

@WELZ Honestly, I would love to. But swag-making (and more importantly swag-shipping) is expensive :(

Didn't take long to get over that

WELZ

Yep, let us not forget who suggested the awesome idea! hehe

Magisch

8:32 PM

@Undo next step: charcoal tshirts and sweaters

3rd step: world domination

WELZ

@Undo less then an hour later we were already planning how to make it work lol

Mad Scientist

@Catija Can you even leave a channel and get back the original SO view that way?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body: Determining who has the winning strategy by Hen on math.SE

Catija

It's expensive if you don't force everyone to cough up money themselves... "Swag" by definition is usually free... If you're actually willing to pay for it, that's different... but sending stickers is way cheaper than t-shirts or coffee mugs.

@MadScientist I can't find a way.

Magisch

stickers worked out fine though

and they're some extremely high quality stickers

M.A.R.

8:34 PM

@ArtOfCode naye

@Catija we are doomed

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Magisch I wouldn't mind supporting with real money. I was a damn SD coffee mug ! !

cc @ArtOfCode

WELZ

I've always wanted the List of Acronyms and Abbreviations. (literally been waiting for this) Can't believe that there's so many.

M.A.R.

Confirmed, there is vote cap in team channels

WELZ

bah

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@M.A.R. ....... and why didn't you use your votes on me?

WELZ

8:39 PM

how did @Glorfindel vote 42 times :/

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

someone needs to open a voting ring question.

till it gets deleted

:)

M.A.R.

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs a paper clip is hard to find

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@M.A.R. hmmm but my downvotes aren't :o

Undo

I wonder if public teams are on the roadmap. They would be awesome for our kind of project.

Moderation nightmare

WELZ

> why is my sit on ur blaklistz? remove it nouw or i rapourt u to githubs

Mithrandir

8:42 PM

@WELZ that looks like the mod message reply my sock sent on the Channel

WELZ

didn't see it

Mithrandir

Huh

@Art did you delete that account?

WELZ

did u dlet the ackownt?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body: Splitting SCL and SDA pins by Kyle on arduino.SE

fp- by WELZ

M.A.R.

@WELZ i haz millienz maney and i cans hier snipar to haunt u dawn

WELZ

8:47 PM

that took a while to understand, sheesh

Glorfindel

@WELZ two deleted posts, I think.

WELZ

@M.A.R. i has more bitcoinz thn u.

John Dvorak

@M.A.R. stappit

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. you're not voting enough :P stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/help/badges/71

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: When a weak student feigns knowledge by wasting time? by Reinhardt Botha on english.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Produce the number 2014 without any numbers in your source code by Job on codegolf.SE (@Mego @quartata)

M.A.R.

8:50 PM

@Glorfindel you, sir, are the biggest badge farmer to ever have lived. I bow with respect.

And envy. I wish a meteorite hits your computer and all your electronic devices.

SD 2F

ArtOfCode

@Mithrandir nope, I deactivated it

M.A.R.

Although someone should edit them out

ArtOfCode

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs I'm looking at a charcoal store

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. I plead guilty

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Glorfindel can we get the tour badge? xD

Glorfindel

8:53 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs nope. Same problem as on StackApps...

WELZ

> Users with more than 2,147,483,647 reputation and a total answer score of 5 or more on the tag, can suggest tag synonyms. Users with a total answer score (total upvotes minus total downvotes) of 5 or more on the tag, can vote for tag synonyms. Suggestions will be automatically approved when they reach a score of 4, and automatically deleted when they reach a score of -2.

is that some kind of a joke?!

quartata

I'm already well on my way to that

M.A.R.

@WELZ the hell, linky?

WELZ

stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/tags/7/synonyms

someone swiped his hand across the number pad...

Mithrandir

AHAHAHA

quartata

8:54 PM

Did I miss anything channel-wise?

Anonymous

@SmokeDetector f

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@WELZ That number looks familiar

WELZ

I want to make smokey and smokedtector the same...

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

max integer?

M.A.R.

2 billion, pfft

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

8:55 PM

I think it is

... of course depending on the application

that's funny though

M.A.R.

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs basically a nicer way of saying "f$#@ off, you can't"

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

sounds about right

M.A.R.

Random comic

theoatmeal.com/comics/computers

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Getting "Error loading player: No playable sources found" with Chromium by Tracey Churchill on askubuntu.com

Undo

@WELZ done

smokey -> smokedetector

SmokeDetector

9:01 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer: GupShup Flow + Small Talk by K.Dᴀᴠɪs on stackoverflow.com

ArtOfCode

@Undo huh, you made that work? I got a 500

DJMcMayhem

@SmokeDetector @K.Dᴀᴠɪs Uhm... what?

Mithrandir

@SmokeDetector @K.Dᴀᴠɪs ????

DJMcMayhem

@SmokeDetector tp-

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

Ooops I thought I was on channels

SmokeDetector

9:02 PM

tp- by Mithrandir

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

I was testing SD on channels

SmokeDetector

naa- by WELZ

Mithrandir

It won't pick it up.

DJMcMayhem

I'm pretty sure SD won't work on channels because he shouldn't

Mithrandir

!!/scan stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/a/86/6

SmokeDetector

9:02 PM

@Mithrandir That does not look like a valid post URL.

WELZ

lol

Mithrandir

There ya go ^

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

I hate this new layout

Mithrandir

It's not available via the API.

also I can't even see the rep gains on Channels while on chat

quartata

Actually that's just because it doesn't know how to parse the URL

M.A.R.

9:04 PM

@SmokeDetector NUKE THAT SPAMMER

quartata

It doesn't have a site name so it can't get it from the API

WELZ

@Mithrandir or any notifications for that matter 😒

quartata

amazing how channels is helping us find bugs

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

WELZ

Nice feature on channels, you can tag who you want (even if they didn't comment on the post etc.)

SmokeDetector

9:05 PM

fp by MAR on Produce the number 2014 without any numbers in your source code [MS]

fp by MAR on Has spectrum analysis ever been used successfully to analyse historical price data? [MS]

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@M.A.R. lol let's not

Undo

@ArtOfCode Used stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/admin/create-tag-synonym

M.A.R.

Why do posts with feedback remain in MS review @Undo?

ArtOfCode

aye, likewise

Undo

@M.A.R. Requiring two feedbacks

ArtOfCode

9:07 PM

I thought I made posts you've reviewed not show up for you again, but maybe there's a bug

M.A.R.

Huh

WELZ

how come deleted questions give me page not found instead of deleted? (on channels)

Undo

It did error @ArtOfCode, but it looked like the POST succeeded and just the redirect panicked.

ArtOfCode

shrug

SmokeDetector

fp by MAR on Splitting SCL and SDA pins [MS]

tpu by MAR on Getting "Error loading player: No playable sources found" with Chromium [MS]

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: How do I reset/recover my superuser password without the boot disk? by mackyole on apple.SE

tpu- by DJMcMayhem

M.A.R.

9:09 PM

@SmokeDetector k

quartata

@Glorfindel some caveats you should be aware of with !!/feedback

Should we make an FAQ tag?

Or a collection

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Undo do i have a spam flag on me?? stackoverflow.com/a/49182344/5781745

Glorfindel

Thanks, I'd upvote that but I'm out of votes...

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

We have some trigger happy SD go'ers here :)

trying to nuke me

M.A.R.

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs oh crap, did you lose 100 points?

WELZ

9:11 PM

no, he'd need 6

Floern

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs no, they get cleared when you delete the post

quartata

@WELZ edited

M.A.R.

Clever spammer.

Deleting own post for later

quartata

Oh hey there is a rep cap. I just went over it because of the accepts

no one upvote my stuff until UTC midnight

WELZ

yep

I'm using all my current upvotes on @quartata

Undo

9:14 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs can't say, but it doesn't matter anyway

Mithrandir

@WELZ suspends for targeted voting

WELZ

bahahahahha

Undo

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Mithrandir Hmmm i wonder if SO's voting thing will take effect

Undo

I <3 SSDs

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

9:15 PM

when you upvote/downvote too many times in succession

quartata

This is way more fun than SO ever was

WELZ

oh yeh

quartata

in that I'm not just solving some poor kid's homework half the time

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Undo 500GB? That's it? pfffft

quartata

I feel morally clean

WELZ

9:15 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs probably an ssd

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

ahh good point

with 273 MB/s write... i assume that is correct

quartata

So... Are there review queues? :P

Mithrandir

I think so

Undo

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs It was spiking to ~350MB/s, both write and read.

WELZ

nope, nor are there flags... and the only thing to vtc is dupe (and it's single user closed)

Mithrandir

9:16 PM

@quartata stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/review

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@Undo I just replaced my HDD... With another HDD xD

Mithrandir

the URL exists but there's nothing there

Undo

10k tools also exist

ooooh I wonder if we can migrate stuff

Mithrandir

@Undo oops! SOmething bad happened

@Undo well since there's no way to close as off-topic...

Undo

@Mithrandir Faking the post might work

Mithrandir

9:19 PM

...looks like you need admin privs to see /tools

quartata

It's going to be a long time before anyone hits 10K on the channel though :P

WELZ

or we can create voting rings o.o

Mithrandir

6 mins ago, by Mithrandir

@WELZ suspends for targeted voting

WELZ

😠

Mithrandir

> Is your question about on-topic?

quartata

9:22 PM

yeah there's a couple minor bugs

like my rep in the top bar showing up as 0 on some pages

Glorfindel

@Mithrandir that was my first bug report.

@quartata also reported :P

WELZ

@quartata saw that.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by ByteCommander on Getting "Error loading player: No playable sources found" with Chromium [MS]

Ferrybig

Thats funny, on the tour page, it says we need to hit the 32 bit signed integer limit (2147483647) to access moderator tools, I wonder if that is intentional

WELZ

33 mins ago, by WELZ

> Users with more than 2,147,483,647 reputation and a total answer score of 5 or more on the tag, can suggest tag synonyms. Users with a total answer score (total upvotes minus total downvotes) of 5 or more on the tag, can vote for tag synonyms. Suggestions will be automatically approved when they reach a score of 4, and automatically deleted when they reach a score of -2.

Byte Commander

9:29 PM

Can we have a second look at these two reports?
https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/109324 marked fp, score 0
https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/109440 marked tp, score -5
same user, same link to blacklisted website, within 1 day

quartata

I've only got about 30,000 years until I can suggest tag synonyms

WELZ

@ByteCommander first one was edited since and is a valid answer

Byte Commander

then how about the second?

M.A.R.

@Art synonym: etiquette -> policy

WELZ

!!/addblu stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/users/3

SmokeDetector

9:36 PM

@WELZ Invalid format. Valid format: !!/addblu profileurl or !!/addblu userid sitename.

Thomas Ward

@WELZ I think you failed with the format

quartata

Shog's username is.... Elaborate

WELZ

@ThomasWard no, I was testing blacklisting my channels profile...

quartata

@ThomasWard no, it won't parse because it's a channel profile link

WELZ

@quartata to say the least

Thomas Ward

9:41 PM

shrugs

art is gonna be busy :P

M.A.R.

@Art SYN automated-flagging -> autoflagging

SIRENS! SMOKEDETECTOR IS A META TAG

Maybe

WELZ

what?

thesecretmaster

meta tags == bad

quartata

It's not. Referring to a specific project

As opposed to say, Metasmoke or userscripts or inferno

it's a primary tag

Thomas Ward

meta tag... where?

M.A.R.

9:46 PM

@quartata or corn-for-horse

quartata

that one's gone thankfully

@ThomasWard join the channel

Thomas Ward

@quartata waiting for Art to get off his butt and give me a charcoal address

M.A.R.

@ThomasWard hello Thomas. Good morning Thomas

Thomas Ward

unless you also want to add @dark-net.io to the permitted email address domains (the address for my company, which is comprised of only me as its sole owner/employee) :p

quartata

Just use gmail?

surely you've got a couple of those

Thomas Ward

9:49 PM

@quartata GMail and I are in... disagreement... on multiple things

quartata

I have at least 5 gmail addresses lying around

Thomas Ward

and I don't use a bare GMail address anymore

quartata

probably more if I shook out my pockets

Thomas Ward

still not gonna give GMail my personal data :p

i mean, I have a lot of Google for Work addresses, for different groups I'm a member of...

... but that doesn't work here.

quartata

yeah no not google apps it has to be the gmail domain

Thomas Ward

9:52 PM

yes i am aware

but @gmail.com addresses are one of the most attacked addresses in existence

trust me, there's reasons I don't use bare GMail anymore.

thesecretmaster

@ArtOfCode Confirmation code 2183d446c8e852efc3457c39998f6a5b

DavidPostill

@ThomasWard Hmmph. Mine has never been attacked AFAIK.

M.A.R.

Probabilities man

Mithrandir

@quartata I needed that one 'cause you can't create new tags from mobile view

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Why is first divs background not showing up? by Jakub Orzeg-Wydra on stackoverflow.com

Thomas Ward

9:58 PM

sd why

SmokeDetector

@ThomasWard [:43295451] Body - Position 14442-14446: Mrx/

What??

sd - f

@ThomasWard f

sd f

9:58 PM

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs [:43295456] That message is not a report.

Byte Commander

@ArtOfCode What exactly is this ZOHO thing and why does it want my phone number? I'm not really wanting to hive that out...

Thomas Ward

@ByteCommander probably relevant:

Zoho Corporation

Zoho Corporation is a multi-national business software development company. Zoho Corp's offerings focus on web-based business tools and information technology solutions, including an office tools suite, internet of things management platform, and a suite of IT management software. The company was founded in 1996 by Sridhar Vembu and Tony Thomas in Pleasanton, California, and now has offices in seven countries. == Services == Zoho Mail: Online mail client. Zoho Docs: Online document editing tool. Enables team collaboration on documents, and integrates with Microsoft Office Zoho CRM: Custom...

Z O H O :P

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