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12:00 AM
@Undo what's that?
That's not friendly to a regular Microsoft Live mail user.
@iBug what's the email domain?
@iBug I thought the SE ToS specifically made an exception in the Be Nice policy for Microsoft Live users :P
live dot com
@iBug What's your email address?
... 'one' or 1?
7 alphabetical letters
one @ sign, the Microsoft's domain
12:04 AM
Email in your inbox. It has a code; I need that code.
actually, I need the link
oh good, Stack Overflow Teams, something new?
Channels aka Teams
I clicked that link directly.
I need to click it
too long to post in chat...?
12:06 AM
make it multiline
I think you clicking it made it expire. Re-sending
nah, my mail app copied a lot of crappy stuff, instead of the real link
This time I didn't touch it.
Apparently I don't know how to do this.
@Undo not surprised xD
12:09 AM
Wrong room oops
@Mego Well, it was tmp and got cleared. :-)
I could totally abuse my diamond and hide my shame, but I think that's not a great idea
So what should I do for now?
@Mego quick! abuse your diamond and edit this message into whatever you like :)
due to network (especially VPN) availability, I'm not able to keep up with SE regularly as I was before. I anticipate that the network availability should restore/recover after March 20, when an annual political conference in China ends.
@Undo Just so you're aware, it's possible the moderation actions taken on channels may impact SO main. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364338/…
Incase you're testing something out and accidentally nuke content on SO.
12:45 AM
@iBug That one worked!
@Undo Great
The ugly top bar rolled out again?
Related to above:
A: Most of the moderation links on Channels link to those on Stack Overflow instead

Adam LearAs Jon said, there are no plans for Teams having moderators at the moment. We're waiting to gather some feedback on which tools would actually be useful and necessary instead of just replicating all of what public SO has as is. If nothing else, most of our tools are unintuitive on the best of day...

1:26 AM
So... I guess there's no rep cap on Channels...
Oh, wait... maybe there is.
also there's no privilege in Channels
@iBug There is, but it finishes at 75 rep
It seems wrong, though. Can't cast a close vote at 1 reputation, even though the model says I should be able to
@iBug That does not look like a valid post URL.
exactly as anticipated
oh yes, Teams are private and Smokey can't get them
1:39 AM
@iBug Given that Mithrandir already tried it, yeah, it was certainly expected.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Windows 8 CRITICAL_PROCESS_DIED by Sophie Ellison on superuser.com
I'm writing up a thing summarizing concerns raised on the meta post.
@iBug Your flag condition was disabled: Accuracy must be over 99.75%
... that one must have been the tipping point :P
A: How accurate are users with their spam flags?

Shog9Two bits of information are pretty easy to get here; the rest I'm going to skip for the time being as it's gonna take more time than I have to retrieve. Helpful flags This is pretty self-explanatory: if a flag was marked helpful, it counts; if it wasn't, it doesn't. Spam flags can be marked he...

@Undo good idea. I've posted a few in here the last couple days too
2:12 AM
@Andy these numbers make us look like saints
Wow. I was just reading that. Someone these are just awful
That second table addresses the 'spam flags are independent' argument, right?
@Andy I'm about to make them look worse: What if we subtracted our autoflags from those numbers?
@Undo They probably wouldn't have been deleted
And your accuracy would plummet even further, in either table
Some of these are terrible with significant volume, too.
@Undo Yeah, in a way. It also addresses the "we want humans to do this because they are better at it". But raises the counter arguement...you want only one person to be able to flag and kill spam? ! Look how bad they are at it
2:17 AM
Merged SmokeDetector #1688.
Not 1/2, like 115/270 (Ethereum)
@Andy Well, can we do the numbers? Chance of six humans making a mistake, v. chance of our system making a mistake + 1 random human?
... But it's only 1 flag in the case of something that's 100% spam...
(also, our humans aren't random, but I think we can say we're better than random based on that)
I mean... you could even supercharge it and bump it above that.
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2:19 AM
@Undo there are a few that are less than 50% too
Why is the percentage column in the first data set "undefined"?
@Catija [status-unknown]
Looks like a modified version of the second query, forgetting to adjust that last column
@Andy Are they flagging manually or with fire? If they're flagging with FIRE, it seems like we could remove their permissions if their accuracy drops below... 75%?
Metasmoke is going to yell about them long before they hit 25% invalidated feedback
2:21 AM
I wasn't sure what the triggers were... and what "MS yelling at them" looks like...
!!/whois admin
@WELZ No such command 'whoisadmin'.
It'll stop taking their feedback.
@WELZ I am aware of 5 admins. Currently in this room: Undo, Andy, ArtOfCode. Not currently in this room: angussidney, tripleee.
(I think that system is still around)
2:26 AM
@Undo He fixed it.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body: Lilliput USB mini Monitor & Mac monitor by Sic bdj on apple.SE
tpu- by WELZ
2:41 AM
@Undo nope, pretty sure we took it out
Any idea what this means?
There should be Six Flags Over Georgia. — OOO Mar 5 at 20:01
I'm going top-bottom, trying to put everything into a big table
(yes, Bhargav's first concern has been noted and resolved)
Chain of theme parks.
gonna ignore that
@SmokeDetector k
They're Texas-based... "Six flags over Texas" is actually one of the historical factoids we share with visitors to the state... the idea being that, in the course of Texas history, six different national flags have flown over the area considered "Texas".
"Six flags over Texas" is the slogan used to describe the six nations that have had sovereignty over some or all of the current territory of the U.S. state of Texas: Spain (1519–1685; 1690–1821), France (1685–1690), Mexico (1821–1836), the Republic of Texas (1836–1845), the Confederate States of America (1861–1865), and the United States of America (1845–1861; 1865–present). This slogan has been incorporated into shopping malls, theme parks (Six Flags), and other enterprises. In Austin, the six flags fly in front of the Bullock Texas State History Museum; the Texas State Capitol has the six coats...
2:44 AM
Six flags over Stack
Q: Teams custom favicon missing from inbox/achievements

WELZWhen I open my inbox from the teams actual page, it comes up with the correct icons: But while opening it on any other SE site it doesn't show any Icon Same happens with the Achievements Dropdown

3:00 AM
Made it to Accumulation's comment on the question. This is kinda tiring.
rewarding myself with ice cream, as is standard procedure
This is all in a Google doc; once I have it reasonably complete I'll throw it out there for ya'll to edit.
3:33 AM
Grrr. You can't make tag wikis for tags that exist on SO main. Bug report?
Catija has a report on that one
Wait I lied
I didn't see the button
You can edit them but you can't clear the existing content without replacing it with something.
functools.lru_cache + tornado.gen.coroutine = 2 gazillion IQ async hell
why does this even work
I guess Futures are stateless pretty much
@Catija Seems like [tag:status-bydesign], even though it's a pain
3:37 AM
Eh... I don't know... seems sort of wrong to force us to replace a tag wiki with new content just to clear the bad content. I think the greyed text should just be editable with a notice stating that editing the tag will not affect the SO tag description.
Can we attach this chat room to the site? Then we can (finally) make tags...
No, you can't attach rooms to channels AFAIK
this and wrestling with EventMachine in Inferno is a reminder that I should probably brush up a bit on my asynchronous IO
SO is a different chat server anyway. You can make a chat.se room with a SO parent but... it's not really the same thing.
3:38 AM
I hate all the redirects to main SO (And a lot of times you miss that it even happened)
I just went though and wrote some simple tag excerpts because the ones from SO were bothering me.
Also, syonmym request: reasons <- filters (or the reverse)
Now I really wish I could get SO rep on MSO.
Oh yeh
4:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, +3 more: reviverxtry.com/soyeux/ by jackhmaer on english.SE
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: The A Multitude Of Uses Along With Hemp by hioroexsrws on puzzling.SE (@Mithrandir @micsthepick)
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
Morning all!
I've finished listing (I think) all the concerns raised on comments on the question. For your viewing pleasure: docs.google.com/document/d/…
@Andy @ArtOfCode ^ Seem useful?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: wellnessdietsolution.com/golden-hemp-cbd/ by KennethAlvarado on puzzling.SE (@Mithrandir @micsthepick)
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
General theory: Summarize all concerns raised in the table, then write a few sentences w/ numbers down below for individual concerns that warrant additional response.
I plan to get all fancy with categorizing concerns, ordering by score, etc. once we have the full set.
Seems good... but why build it as a doc with a table rather than just building it as a spreadsheet?
4:37 AM
@Catija I expect we'll have (short) paragraph-form responses to some of the more valid/complex/addressable concerns.
Plan is to put those below the table, and direct link to them from within the table.
@AJ good morning to you
!!/test Golden hemp
> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.
does !!/watch accept regex?
yes, that's what makes it useful
!!/watch golden\whemp
4:47 AM
@micsthepick You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1692 for you.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: mylaviveeyeserum.com/ultra-t-booster/ by reshilqwik on askubuntu.com
@SmokeDetector k
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
Actually, that should be a capital W
API quota rolled over with 7399 requests remaining. Current quota: 19999.
math: 203
stackoverflow: 120
codegolf: 47
askubuntu: 28
english: 24
serverfault: 24
physics: 18
superuser: 17
apple: 14
worldbuilding: 13
electronics: 12
bitcoin: 12
gaming: 10
unix: 10
rpg: 9
sharepoint: 8
mathematica: 8
judaism: 8
drupal: 7
mathoverflow.net: 7
security: 7
webapps: 6
es.stackoverflow: 5
movies: 5
android: 5
ja.stackoverflow: 5
ethereum: 5
gamedev: 5
gis: 5
stats: 4
networkengineering: 4
workplace: 4
dba: 4
meta: 4
ell: 4
raspberrypi: 3
salesforce: 3
diy: 3
gardening: 3
boardgames: 3
!!/watch golden\Whemp
4:51 AM
@micsthepick You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1693 for you.
Hey @micsthepick did you sign up to our own Charcoal Channel (basically Charcoal.SE)
no, currently on mobile, I’ll take a look when I get home
btw is the watchlist case sensitive?
@micsthepick nope
because the post is not showing up in the PR
“golden\Whemp has been seen in 0 true positives, 0 false positives, and 0 NAAs.”
it shows up in the MS search
Merged SmokeDetector #1693.
5:02 AM
@micsthepick IIRC it's a bug, \W seems not to be converted correctly
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hmm should we be using .? This works in search at least
@paper1111 it's a bug in that the regex implementations in Smokey and Metasmoke are incompatible
replacing anything more specific with . is a pretty crude workaround
we could replace \W with [^A-Za-z0-9_] but it's a slippery slope, there are many PCRE constructs which cannot be replaced or approximated with traditional ERE
it's a known problem for sure, and we have been back and forth a few times regarding how to properly work around it
Hey, as long as we are sure it works then I don't really see it being a big problem
I'm just wondering why we'd want to catch "golden-hemp" and "golden hemp" but not "goldenhemp". In other words, why not golden\W?hemp
5:11 AM
the latest I saw (sort of between the lines) was let's just live with it and maybe eventually upgrade to MariaDB as the Metasmoke backend, which will magically fix it by bringing PCRE support to the database search, too
(the current backend is MySQL)
@Makyen that's actually probably a better regex
@tripleee I thought Undo switched to MariaDB a couple years back, did that get changed?
traditionally blacklists would use keywords like "product name" and it would work fine until the actual product name wasn't anywhere verbatim, but the URL had http://spam.example.com/product-name and so using \W instead of a space helps cover that case
@Makyen or better yet, golden\W*?hemp. "golden quality hemp"
but some of them are also occasionally posted without any non-word space between the parts and adding ? fixes that
Oh, apparently:
Oct 9 '17 at 20:45, by ArtOfCode
We went back to MySQL because it's a touch faster than MariaDB
5:15 AM
@NobodyNada yeh, it was lost in the latest switchover (September-ish?)
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs no, \W cannot match "quality", it matches non-word characters only
yeah i just was about to correct myself xD
you guys are too quick lol
argh, I really hate the left sidebar introduced with Channels
@tripleee Yes I can agree with that 150%
if you want channels, you should be able to go to channels.stackoverflow.com
otherwise, I don't want to see it
Yeah, I've been playing with making it shrink to a narrower width, then expand when you mouse-over it. I really don't like it the way it is stock.
I'm sure a userscript will come out removing the sidebar in the near future
5:20 AM
people were protesting on Meta already last week IIRC, part of the problem is that it's ugly
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs If you just want to remove it, that's easy. But, there is some functionality there that's of potential benefit: An additional indicator that you're in the channel, or on SO main.
@Makyen a US could still provide some sort of visual indicator if you're in a channel or not.
having the channel content display with a separate identity (the Charcoal logo in our case) seems sufficient IMHO
and the public/channel switch box on the search bar (which is still easy to miss -- that's a security incident waiting to happen)
@tripleee umm.. it already did earlier
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Of course. It's mostly a matter of deciding what you want to use (i.e. what's effective at informing the user).
5:25 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Assure Hair The normal human has around by Pamelannko on graphicdesign.SE
tpu- by Makyen
I think changing the top-bar's color is effective enough.
hell, a US can be customized for the user to chose their color in the event that they are in multiple channels.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Looking for video production company in london? by Amy Harper on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by tripleee
@Undo Instead of the comments, I think we should start with the answers. Those are more substantive and provide more insight than some of the comments. I like the idea of coming up with categories of concern - I think if we can narrow it down to a small handful that'd be useful for us to start focusing on. "Handful" is probably going to be somewhere in the low double digits.
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs turns off top-nav userscript Oh, that is a different color. Good to know (yet more work to do)
Some of the concerns raised are for misunderstandings of the system. While valid, because they misunderstood, our take away there is "Explain this better by doing X"
5:33 AM
!!/watch yellowpill\.co\.uk
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1694 for you.
!!/blacklist-website health2facts\.com
@tripleee That pattern looks like it's already caught by Pattern-matching website in answer, Pattern-matching website in body, Blacklisted website in answer, and Blacklisted website in body; append -force if you really want to do that.
I think you'll also be able to get more out of the answers than some of the less constructive comments (ie. "No red circles"). It's funny, we replied with a funny...but there isn't much more for us to do or care about
Related to that...we need to always forget our red circles, just to slightly annoy BhargavRao :)
maybe add a subjective severity
5:36 AM
Merged SmokeDetector #1694.
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@Andy So glad to see you're an admin mod now.
doh 3 pings
I am so sorry ...
you can make it 4 by changing an to a
@LynnCrumbling I forgive you :)
(that'll teach me to edit.. :-/
Wish we could talk rene into running :)
He's make one of the best mods ever.
Where can I read more about what channels are? I seem to be completely out of the loop on this?
@LynnCrumbling It's called Stack Overflow for Teams now: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364145/…
5:43 AM
Q: Introducing: Channels - Q&A For Engineering Teams

Tim PostWhen you use Stack Overflow to solve some of your problems, you begin wanting to use it for everything. We've often said that Stack Overflow isn't a place for everything that programmers want to do and talk about, but we've always wished that we could make it easier for teams of engineers to bet...

I just had run across that.
But thank you!
@Rob So channels = teams, then?
These posts are large; I have a lot of reading to do.
Eh, kinda. There's a bit of a difference though
> 1. Stack Overflow For Teams is what has come full circle as the product that we've previously described as channels.
> 2. Channels are an architectural concept that are primarily inward-facing, but serve as the foundation to allow things like Stack Overflow For Teams to exist.
(not to be confused with Stack Overflow Teams, which was un-shipped a couple years ago)
Yes - I was part of that.
Interesting. This is all really for private-SO's for a company.
@tripleee I think we'll end up having a couple different measurements/priority angles on each of these and combine those to get a final number.
5:48 AM
It's almost just like being able to create your own private stackexchange site for your organization.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: wellnessdietsolution.com/golden-hemp-cbd/ by MaurMurd on puzzling.SE (@Mithrandir @micsthepick)
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
!!/test golden-hemp
> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
Title - Position 1-12: golden-hemp
Body - Position 1-12: golden-hemp
Username - Position 1-12: golden-hemp
@micsthepick it's confirmed
!!/test I wantz teh golden-hemp. Itz so gud. mmmm
> Potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
Title - Position 13-24: golden-hemp
Body - Position 13-24: golden-hemp
Username - Position 13-24: golden-hemp
6:11 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +4 more: healthonlinereviews.com/vivrax/ by jhonsena on meta.SE
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad pattern in URL answer, blacklisted website in answer: Under what circumstances is it okay to not hold a door open? by gerriramirez on interpersonal.SE
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Mathematica 10 installs but won't start on Windows 7 by Kenna on mathematica.SE
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: iOS support for Google Cloud Messaging by kitchen tuts on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: supplementforhelp.com/ by jaferdilli on askubuntu.com
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
> Url in title, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in username
Title - Position 13-27: speedyessay.co
Title - Position 1-30: https://www.speedyessay.co.uk
Body - Position 13-27: speedyessay.co
Username - Position 13-27: speedyessay.co
New metasmoke user 'Billy Tucker' created
6:29 AM
!!/blacklist-website speedyessay\.co\.uk
@tripleee Blacklisted speedyessay\.co\.uk
@SmokeDetector first hit on supplementforhelp\.com and I saw a few new domains yesterday too, they seem to be rolling out a new set again
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: bespoke Crystal Wall Lamp by yunyun4513 on security.SE
tpu- by A J
!!/watch brilliant-lightinggroup\.com
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs You don't have code privileges, but I've created PR#1695 for you.
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Python, Kivy, Buildozer: APK crashes with SymPy by apkpureapps on stackoverflow.com
tpu- by A J
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
6:43 AM
Definitely not... But okay xD
it also somehow lost the PullApprove option for your latest PR
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there it is
6:44 AM
@tripleee teward/Solar Flare
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: TypeError the JSON object must be str, not 'bytes' by jas345 on stackoverflow.com
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs because I manually clicked Merge; usually it's enough to comment with !!/approve
@SmokeDetector v
@SmokeDetector v
@tripleee It had F word, didn't it?
6:47 AM
!!/watch apkpureapps.com
@tripleee Added apkpureapps.com to watchlist
@AJ no, just a sequence of asterisks
> @chrisz are you mad? don't do too much buddies as if you only knows everything.
> First you learn how to answer? then you advise to others,jobless mentals.
Finding duplicate \*\*\*\*er
I couldn't check the revision history. I thought maybe you added asterisks.
stackoverflow.com/posts/49187863/revisions <- does that work or do you need privileges?
@tripleee Well, it implies that.
6:49 AM
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@tripleee I don't have 10k there. 2.5 only.
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@AJ there are some resources which aren't privileged once you have a link, just the link isn't displayed at lower rep
but okay
it was rude alright but vandalizing rude content is not how you cope with that ... I left a comment for the user who submitted the edit
Yep. I saw that.
does this work?
6:52 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: DermaBoost360 Beautifying Skin Cream For All Skin Types! by dermaboost360 on meta.SE
tpu- by K.Dᴀᴠɪs
:43302605 nope
gotta reach 10k then.
yeah, go for it (-:
But I don't know how long it would take. :D
6:58 AM
@AJ meh.. its not all that great.. you just get to see SO's garbage bin
or rather that of the SE site you are going for
I already have full privileges on 2 sites.

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