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5:00 PM
@Mithrandir I think that's by design.
Why does the Charcoal logo have a little lock on it... is that what marks it as a private Channel?
 
Think so
 
@Catija yes
 
Cool.
 
@Catija only allows cool people in
And elves
And Gandalf
 
So, if Art's a mod, can he create other mods or do they have to be requested?
 
status report: we now "own" gmail, icloud, hotmail, and yahoo
 
So no onebox
 
Mith pulls away in the race for rep
 
False start, false start!
 
no fair I havent even got no invitation yet
 
5:03 PM
I think this basically covers the use-case for a public channel ;)
 
I knew I should have had a gmail :P
 
custom domain people we'll get emails sorted out
 
@ArtOfCode would be nice, just make all the people on /people mods
and everyone can register
 
Heh, good to know that my SO userscripts still work in Channels
 
@quartata did you get a notification?
 
5:04 PM
typing my answer
 
 
What does it look like?
 
Is "userscript" one word or two?
 
one
 
There's nowhere to see all the priveleges... (it just goes to main so)
 
5:07 PM
@Catija One. You're not using a space.
 
wtb invite
 
Conclusion - app does not notify about notifications on Channels
 
May I play too? Pretty please?
 
tpu by Glorfindel
 
Custom domain people, check inboxes
 
5:07 PM
this is what it looks like
 
We are an elite group of 5 users who get to use the channel
 
@Tinkeringbell you should be able to get in using the address you submitted to the form
 
@Tinkeringbell it's a paid game with in-app purchases
 
@ArtOfCode I see this post: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/109427 on the /review page, even though I have already provided feedback.
 
5:08 PM
Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1
 
not any more you don't ;)
 
Conflicting feedback across revisions: current, #1
 
@Mithrandir answered
 
@ArtOfCode starts refreshing furiously... thanks!
 
@ArtOfCode Do I click 'Request mail box'?
 
5:09 PM
@ArtOfCode done
 
So, Art, am I supposed to see something special yet in the Teams thing, or was my link invalid even after scratching?
 
@Henders probably
 
@M.A.R. Your link was fine in the end, I just needed to remove a space
 
> Request successfully submitted to administrator
 
5:10 PM
Must I fill in my real life full name or SE full name?
 
SE name works
 
What did the rest of you do?
 
I went real name :P
 
I just put "Catija".
 
I used my SE name
 
5:11 PM
Decisions, decisions.. XD
 
@Henders check emails again, you should have a confirmation code that I need
 
Okay. I'm in
 
SE Name (which is just part of my really name but yeah)
 
Meh, can't sign my socks up
 
Cool
 
5:13 PM
It's kinda weird that it actually displays people's actual names.
I guess that's good when you're at work... (assuming the team is work-related)
 
@Magisch @thesecretmaster likewise, need your confirmation codes
 
@ArtOfCode 48dc92493ea76e3fc0f4e724d1468ab1
 
OK, the UX could do better
 
@Magisch done, you're magisch@
go forth and team
 
\o/
how do I sign up for the team?
 
thanks
 
@Floern likewise on confirmation code
 
Heh I wonder if the flags script will count towards fanatic on teams
 
I didn't see the option to flag posts
I guess my spam will last forever
 
@WELZ Try!
 
5:17 PM
Sould I ask a canned comments thing?
 
@WELZ You need at least 10 rep to flag
 
I have over 10
 
@ArtOfCode Oh YOUUU need that?! I've been looking all over to find a place to put it!!
 
yep :P
 
@ArtOfCode fef7bedd1a53432f4bbb5bb2feaa669f
 
5:17 PM
@WELZ are you selling sunscreen or weight loss?
 
I don't think privileges apply on teams
 
also your avatar changed, guessing you verified an address that had a gravatar attached to it
 
@M.A.R. a bit of both
 
That's a nice Gravatar, though...
 
@Henders done, you're henders@
 
Seeing just a 1 after your avatar is terrifying
Makes me almost want to post spam
 
@WELZ PPV? Never heard somebody using that ...
 
@Glorfindel and what's up with WB, it's not strictly a Charcoal thing
 
15 hours ago, by WELZ
PPV is what?
 
@ArtOfCode I set up email, and I see an empty inbox. What am I doing wrong?
 
5:19 PM
read up from there
 
6 mins ago, by ArtOfCode
@Magisch @thesecretmaster likewise, need your confirmation codes
 
@ArtOfCode bff78f9fe02a609e86a802714f44f8cf
 
@Floern floern@
 
@art so do you have like superpowers now?
 
probably
 
5:20 PM
@WELZ OK. I'm too busy posting bug reports on MSO ...
 
the confirmation email didn't come yet
 
haven't really investigated yet
 
but it says it needs 10 minutes
 
Like, CM powers
 
probably not
 
5:21 PM
@Magisch check spam
 
Do you have the ability to grant diamonds?
 
28 secs ago, by ArtOfCode
haven't really investigated yet
 
@ArtOfCode nothing in spam
 
I've been trying to sort out emails :P
 
@ArtOfCode Submitted that google form. I think it'd be convenient if I'd be reachable there, considering my "involvement" with FIRE.
 
5:21 PM
@Cerbrus gmail address, you can already sign up
 
Oh derp
 
7 mins ago, by ArtOfCode
https://stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal
we own gmail now
2
just because we do
 
Sweet
 
@Cerbrus Already a question for you to answer :P
 
I love it how tag information is just copied over from the main Stack Overflow site.
 
5:23 PM
So apparently the email forwarding works, I just tested it
the channels confirmation email just doesn't arrive
What domain is it from maybe I need to specifically whitelist it
 
@ArtOfCode Where do I find my code? It's not in the email.
 
in the inbox of the address you left on the form
@Magisch stackoverflow.email
I'll do an org-wide whitelist
 
So I was the sixth guy that filled the form? It felt like I was 600th
 
Ah, nevermind
 
Bahahaha
So I have all the regular mod tools
 
5:25 PM
@ArtOfCode does it matter that I logged in with andy.h@ instead? :P
 
@ArtOfCode Including votes?
 
and of course I need to accept the moderator agreement
except the mod agreement accept page 404's because it's not Channels-scoped
Got some good bug reports coming up
 
@Catija Don't have time to answer that one right now, but i'll get to it in at most ~24 hours
 
@Henders shouldn't do, that's an alias
 
@ArtOfCode Wanna try to add me? Maybe it'd work since I've already accepted the SO one
 
5:27 PM
Cool :)
@ArtOfCode You can be a moderator of a channel? o.o
 
looks like it
 
@ArtOfCode Are you doing admins as mods?
 
Aw man, we just got him an extra diamond
 
if it exposes the vote tools, we probably can't add mortals without asking someone first.
 
@ArtOfCode really? That sounds like a dangerous decision by SE
 
5:29 PM
@Magisch or perhaps Charcoal mods so that regular folks don't see the tools
 
I'd sorta expect it to be scoped down to just the channel
 
(although... it would be kinda healthy for a certain flagger here to see them...)
 
@Mithrandir well I've got a mod dashboard page for each user that looks exactly like the mod dashboard I'm used to
 
@Undo How do you expect that to work with teams that contain no regular mods?
I assume most teams don't
 
5:30 PM
Don't know
 
@Undo no obvious way to do it at the moment, I'll look once emails and stuff is sorted
 
k
 
Why can't I flag stuff..?
 
Still need a confirmation code from @thesecretmaster, then I think we're done for now
 
@Henders that doesn't matter. However, why can't I flag stuff?
 
5:31 PM
So we can't flag, yet there's the "0 helpful flags" in my profile
 
I'm in
 
@thesecretmaster oh cool
 
@M.A.R. do you have 15 rep yet?
 
I have 111 rep and can't flag either.
 
@Magisch No, upvote my question
11
 
5:32 PM
@ArtOfCode can you modify the rep threshold for a channel?
 
@Henders vote fraud on channels :D
 
@MadScientist what rep threshold?
 
@ArtOfCode I doesn't look like I'm getting the mails
 
check spam
 
@ArtOfCode arbitrary priv thresholds? I bet not.
 
5:33 PM
dunno, I really haven't looked much yet
 
Seems like a bad idea for them to expose mod tools
 
If you cut out the vote tools, there's not much confidential in the way of tools
 
I would find that interesting
 
@ArtOfCode nothing in spam either
 
I already know how the vote tools work more or less exactly @Undo
 
5:34 PM
you think you do
 
It's not really that impressive
I think I do because certain people have told me relatively specificly
 
@Floern can you adjust the Global Flag Summary so that it visits stackoverflow.com/c/charcoal/users/flag-summary/<user id> :P
 
So, do you guys see me by my full name or my SE username?
 
@M.A.R. Full name
 
@Glorfindel I hope you don't have to use your flags in channels :D
 
5:36 PM
@CalvT븃 that is confusing
 
@thesecretmaster I see that SOBotics is letting non mods have diamonds
 
@CalvT븃 so my display name is for the laughs?
 
I can see vote breakdowns even though I'm 16 rep
 
@ArtOfCode you have mod powers on our Channel, right? Where's your diamond?
 
think it's there on my channel profile, just not the usercard
 
No diamond, just says (moderator)
 
Cool, comment replies turn into user links!
 
soo I have a big red launch button
but it says we should have 20 questions and 12 answers before I press it
so... do that
 
huh?
 
@ArtOfCode don't go to space just yet
 
5:42 PM
What does it launch?
 
apparently it's not fully "launched" yet
 
We need two more minutes
 
dunno what it does, but let's hit the numbers and find out
 
@Undo Apollo 13
Thinking about my next question
Art is gonna launch it so it can blow up safely and unsurprisingly
 
5:45 PM
@Mithrandir "Corn-for-horse"?
 
@SmokeDetector why
 
@K.Dᴀᴠɪs Body - Position 846-857: supplements
 
@SmokeDetector F
 
@Catija I can't create new tags from mobile
in SOBotics on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Bhargav Rao
@Mithrandir You'll need to manually key in the URL. It was the same issue in SO Enterprise
 
oh huh okay
 
5:47 PM
Ugh. I really don't like that it uses SO tags.
 
I don't like that it doesn't tell me there are new questions and I have to refresh the page.
 
Thought on @terdon's PPV numbers: Would that be a valid metric to graph on a rolling window? We should be getting better as time goes on, is it fair to judge the current system by how it did a year ago?
And the inverse: If the system has gotten worse on a site, we wouldn't want a spat of success from a year ago to falsely inflate the numbers
 
Soooo if you can't flag anything
 
SPAM
 
Then... how am I supposed to flag Calv's comments as obsolete
 
5:51 PM
Okay I got it to accept the mod agreement... Beware, I have POWER
 
@ArtOfCode Should we pull off the domains we don't own then?
 
@ArtOfCode eye roll
 
@ArtOfCode Like that's anything new
 
@Andy Depends. There's a debate to be had about whether we want the team to be open - if we do, we may as well keep those domains
 
Two more questions people...
 
5:53 PM
@ArtOfCode So, we probably do want it to be open...but do we want it to be open right now while we are beta testing. Was there anything in the agreement you had to sign?
 
@ArtOfCode I think it would make sense to close it down initially until we get things figured out?
 
The harm from leaving it open is fairly low, the benefit is that Art doesn't have to worry about emails
 
Dec 7 '17 at 13:04, by ArtOfCode
TL;DR: We get alpha access. We own our content; SE owns Channels; we license our content to SE to use within Channels. Any feedback (including usage data) we give or generate is not confidential and our ownership of it gets assigned to SE; SE has to ask if they want to use our logos or text feedback in public materials. Don't be a dick or our access gets revoked. No warranty; no liability; backup your data.
 
So team comments don't inline
Which is correct I guess
 
ugh /c/charcoal/admin doesn't work
 
5:54 PM
@ArtOfCode Right... but at the moment, we have very little in the way of control... you can only close as a duplicate, there's no flagging...
 
guess I'm looking up mod tool URLs manually then
 
52 mins ago, by Mithrandir
So no onebox
 
@Catija if people start posting crap I'll start deleting it
 
@ArtOfCode try /CM, I'm curious
 
CMs use /admin routes too
 
5:55 PM
Pretty sure I saw a /CM link in the TL the other day
 
Need one more question answered, folks, then I can press the big button
 
which button?
:o
 
@ArtOfCode I posted half an answer for you... I'll edit it.
 
There we go I think
 
I pressed the button. Not sure it did anything, actually
 
5:57 PM
maybe it sent an email to all the @gmail addresses
 
@ArtOfCode it tickled
 
YAYYY I have vote tools
 
including the sekrit one @ArtOfCode?
 
Unsurprisingly, nobody's been voting suspiciously. Yet.
 
Is there a flag queue?
 
5:59 PM
There's /review
 
@Undo You're gonna make me look it up
 
@ArtOfCode I'm gonna serially upvote you to get you and myself suspended
Some damage, but totally worth it
 
wonders if I can suspend people
anyone got a sock?
 
Not on a gmail domain
 
One sec
 
6:02 PM
would appear to be a yes on suspensions
 
Shog's in our Channel...
Or... at least... someone with Shog's Avatar and the username "Aloysius J. Hacklefeather"
 
@Catija that's some secret code
 
It's Shog - looking at profile and swapping to public proves it
 
@Catija and diamonds on all the sites. Probably a CM
 
6:04 PM
Yeah, yeah... He's got 300K on MSE... only one person fits that description.
 
nevermind, thought I'd found a giant hole but it's just showing me SO data because I'm an SO mod
 
HAHAHA You don't get to test :P
 
@Undo touché
 
> DO NOT USE THIS TAG. Questions about the history of programming are off-topic. For questions about browser history, use
Well, so much for that.
 
We can probably edit that...
 
6:10 PM
@Mithrandir sock suspended :P
 
@ArtOfCode How'd you accept the agreement?
 
F12, edit the <form> on the submit button to have /c/charcoal on the front of the URL
I claim the bug report though :P
 
@ArtOfCode nooo
 
Huh just noticed the community user has a diamond
So diamonds are a thing on channels
 
Okay @Art weird question
What happens if you try to grant a diamond to a suspended user?
 
6:18 PM
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Q: Channels/Teams tags won't always correlate to SO tags - what do we do?

CatijaI'm getting to poke at a new Channel/Team. We have internal tagging for our Team that doesn't relate to SO tags but may be identical to them. For example, the history tag on SO specifically says DO NOT USE THIS TAG. Questions about the history of programming are off-topic. For questions about...

@Glorfindel Nope, you can't edit SO tags from a channel.
 
@Catija You can
You just have to replace the whole text
 
@Mithrandir It'd probably work
 
@CalvT븃 Maybe you can... I can not.
... Oh, I was trying to highlight the existing text. :(
 
Yeah I made the same mistake to begin with
 
That's dumb.
Ugh... but you have to replace both sections or it keeps part of it... it's really frustrating to just try and "clear" something.
 
6:23 PM
zero-width spaces?
but yeah
 
Charcoal mentioned on Chem
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Q: What causes the anti-siccativ effect of soot (amorphous carbon) in 'drying' oil?

HannesHOil paint those pigment is carbon black (soot, charcoal) is known to polymerize ("dry") a lot slower than if it has other pigments. I understand this is not just due to the abscence of pigments which also act as a siccativ ("dryer"), but a direct effect of the carbon black on the oil. What is the...

Unfortunately, not about doomsday and autoflags
 
I also joined the Charcoal Channel now, too bad I was traveling at the moment the public beta started
 
This is related to Accepting the mod agreement in Channels doesn't work. @BhargavRao He indeed hasn't — Erik von Asmuth 6 mins ago
@ArtOfCode you have haven't you? ^
 
Hah
 
@CalvT븃 Considering Art's related question on MSO, I'm guessing no.
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Q: Accepting the mod agreement in Channels doesn't work

ArtOfCodeTo use moderator functions within a Channel, you also need to accept a moderator agreement for the Channel. This is all well and good, except that the button to accept the agreement leaves you at a 404 page. The button is technically a <form> that points to an action of a raw /admin link rather...

 
6:30 PM
@Undo ninja'd
 
beat me by a whole three seconds
 
miles ahead ;)
 
40 mins ago, by ArtOfCode
Okay I got it to accept the mod agreement... Beware, I have POWER
 
Presumably there's not a channels chat...
 
@ArtOfCode Just submitted my application to channels
 
6:33 PM
gmail address, you can already sign up
we own gmail
 
Oh, OK cool.
I still have no idea where to go though
 
man 24 questions
 
What's the link?
 
I need to do some retagging
 
6:35 PM
yeah
 
> If anything else fails, buy more disk space for MS
NAME   SIZE  ALLOC   FREE  EXPANDSZ   FRAG    CAP  DEDUP  HEALTH  ALTROOT
data  25.2T  1.04T  24.2T         -     1%     4%  1.00x  ONLINE  -
I may have some space for logs
 
I've got all of S3 to fill up. The script just wasn't working until the debug session yesterday
 
We have more users than questions I think
 
@Undo That's cheating :P
 
Can we create tag synonyms smokey - > smokedetector?
 
6:37 PM
sure
 
Well, I can't... I've found the page but I guess it's an admin thing.
 
@Catija I didn't figure out how
Touchè
 
I think @quartata is trying to get all the editing badges in the first day :)
 
no I'm just organizing the tags
one tag for the project, or [meta] or [policy] is my goal
 
Nope, Channels messages and rep don't show in the app
 
6:41 PM
or in the chat notification
 
For some reason, charcoal teams is using my real name instead of my SE username, and I can't edit that for the life of me
 
Try editing your developer story on SO proper?
 
I just edited my real name instead lol
 
@DJMcMayhem Try scrolling to the bottom of the edit profile page
 
Now DJMcMayhem is my real name
 
6:44 PM
Shogs only site that he's not a diamond on...
 
Private information (not shown publicly)
Full name

CalvT
Birthday (only used for displaying age)
 
.... Um... so apparently, having a channel makes it so that you view all of SO in channel view... which... isn't so great?
 
@CalvT븃 I just think it's dumb that you can't change your display name on channels
 
@Catija It's taking some work to get used to it
 
It only shows your 'real name'
 
6:45 PM
@Andy Yeah... I think that'd be pretty... difficult for you mods... it's not very "finished" yet.
It really needs some padding.
 
I just changed this page
I meant to submit a PR but just edited it to add the stopflagging command
@ArtOfCode ^
 
[ charcoal-se.github.io ] continuous-integration/travis-ci/push success on 95ca981: The Travis CI build passed
 
@Henders looks good to me
meta post de-featured \o/
 
I wonder if there's a rep cap...
 
6:54 PM
Which probably means Shog thinks the conversation has reached completion. That means that we should review the information we got.
 
tsk I need to pull ahead of Glorfindel
 
@ArtOfCode MS ready to go?
 
should be
 

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