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Glorfindel

20:00

@DavidPostill that's weird, because the only recent commit only changed the code style. At least according to the description.

Or did it work this time because I flagged it from the Late Answers queue (which is a pretty rare event - usually it's First Posts)

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'Kevin' created

DavidPostill

@Glorfindel I'll test again next chance I get. I haven't tried for ages because I thought it was still broken (I never saw anything to say it had been fixed).

Glorfindel

For all users who arrived here from the post on Meta Stack Exchange, here is a 30 second introduction to this room.

23

M.A.R.

@Glorfindel Finally

@SmokeDetector KevinB, or KevinG, or Kevin what?

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. just Kevin

Glorfindel

20:12

@M.A.R. the last time I ordered a coffee at Starbucks, they called me 'Kevin' instead of 'Gerwin'. I wouldn't have been offended, except that this was in my home country.

M.A.R.

@Glorfindel It's OK Kevin

@ArtOfCode I wondered which Kevin, because usually Kevin's caring for some site's quality would make an MS account

ArtOfCode

@M.A.R. ya know you can look 'em up on /users? :P

M.A.R.

>2 clicks. Too lazy

Might even involve typing

J F

Kevin, United States

3.1k 5 24 68

ruby-on-rails java javascript c# ruby ruby-on-rails-3.2 android

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode wait, what links?

M.A.R.

20:16

@JF Ahh, so Kevin

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Phone number detected in title: call 1800-872-8162 Norton Help by user4348 on civicrm.SE

Mithrandir

Kevin ♦

23.2k 9 92 146

harry-potter star-wars lord-of-the-rings star-trek voldemort horcrux magical-theory

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Undo

ArtOfCode

@Glorfindel ssshhhhhh

Mithrandir

@ArtOfCode where are those promised links at the end of the intro?

ArtOfCode

20:18

ssshh you're not meant to notice

M.A.R.

Gah, this chat looks even more blue now.

I should get me a diamond prolly

Glorfindel

@M.A.R. black is the new blue.

M.A.R.

I didn't want to nominate in the next election (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

@Glorfindel Us black-names should back each other

DavidPostill

lol

CaffeineAddiction

@ArtOfCode nocrash.py is asking for Username and Password ... to StackOverflow?

ArtOfCode

20:25

@CaffeineAddiction yep

has to be an SE OpenID, Google/Facebook logins won't work

CaffeineAddiction

so email / password

ArtOfCode

aye

CaffeineAddiction

its not liking the @

ArtOfCode

what's it doing?

CaffeineAddiction

lol

rene

20:28

waffles

Undo

gone

ArtOfCode

wooooooooo fancy mod powers woooooo

ghost noises

Mithrandir

in The Reading Room, 27 secs ago, by Riker

mith fits with a night theme

in The Reading Room, 31 secs ago, by Riker

for people who like living like vampires

CaffeineAddiction

is there a way of doing a codepad in chat?

a ... onebox

rene

Not when I'm around ...

CaffeineAddiction

20:32

@ArtOfCode @Undo codepad.org/Zircstz3

ArtOfCode

The LEGO Movie - Ghost Vitruvius & Emmett's Sacrifice

►

Undo

@CaffeineAddiction I have no idea what's happening there

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction nor me. Try putting your email in the ChatExchangeU environment variable instead

J F

@Undo That’s because input(...) in Python 2 is the same as eval(raw_input(...))

CaffeineAddiction

so it should hypothetically take an email there?

ArtOfCode

20:33

in theory

Undo

it does take an email there, for me

ArtOfCode

and me

CaffeineAddiction

I like JF's theory ... im only using docker toolbox through MINGW64 ... there is no way my input is getting F'ed

one sec, setting a variable

dumb question ... does my email have to be in the config file to work?

Glorfindel

@ArtOfCode thanks

CaffeineAddiction

naw, thats just git config

NobodyNada

20:36

whoa, it's [meta-tag:featured]? that's awesome!

CaffeineAddiction

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 4453953 (ArtOfCode: Merge pull request #535 from Glorfindel83/master) (running on location_here)

Restart: API quota is 9999.

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction hint: change location in config to something more meaningful :)

CaffeineAddiction

yah, did that

quartata

Dayum. Metasmoke got a ton of new users

CaffeineAddiction

its running ...

J F

20:42

!!/location

SmokeDetector

@JF teward/Aurora

CaffeineAddiction

@JF location_here

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction yeah, you need to reboot when you change config

Undo

@quartata Decent flagger conversion rate, too

CaffeineAddiction

does it really need my github password?

Undo

20:43

not for testing

CaffeineAddiction

ok, and location=location_here ... is that ok?

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction something more meaningful than location_here is good

DavidPostill

@CaffeineAddiction How about Coffee/Jar? :)

quartata

Awh, why did we get unfeatured?

CaffeineAddiction

Ah, ok ... just an identifier string

Glorfindel

20:46

@quartata ? It's still [featured] for me.

DavidPostill

@CaffeineAddiction So we know who is running it and where.

CaffeineAddiction

yep

ArtOfCode

@quartata still featured where I'm sitting

quartata

@Glorfindel not for me

Undo

@quartata Where are you looking?

quartata

20:47

woops nevermind was on m.se

Wait, why do I have review privileges?

ArtOfCode

because everyone does

quartata

Uh... since when was that?

Mithrandir

I can't review on Meta.SE

quartata

Talking about Metasmoke

Mithrandir

Ah.

quartata

20:54

If I don't have an account on a site where Smokey wants to use autoflags, does it create it?

J F

@quartata Nope. It fails and goes to the next user.

M.A.R.

@quartata No, it just ignores and moves on to the next person

CaffeineAddiction

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 4453953 (ArtOfCode: Merge pull request #535 from Glorfindel83/master) (running on docker/caffeine)

Restart: API quota is 9994.

what is the other chat going on in this terminal?

quartata

!!/tea

SmokeDetector

@quartata brews a cup of green tea for @quartata

CaffeineAddiction

20:56

@quartata brews a cup of chamomile tea for @quartata

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction random logs on what Smokey's scanning

CaffeineAddiction

oh

quartata

oh boy

double the smokey

CaffeineAddiction

sorry, I will kill mine

... mission accomplished though

smokey on windows

SmokeDetector

21:14

New metasmoke user 'ColleenV' created

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: how do i become as attractive as neil degrasse tyson by Tayble lee on biology.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Can you get modern levels of health care, with no steam engines and no electricity? by jual philipe on worldbuilding.SE

tpu- by Gothdo on how do i become as attractive as neil degrasse tyson [MS]

tpu- by MAR

quartata

@ArtOfCode I am somewhat concerned with allowing MS registration without an SE account

ArtOfCode

@quartata why? That's how it was done for years

almost literally

quartata

Like, you shouldn't be able to submit feedback if you don't have an SE account.

Undo

If it becomes an issue, we'll know pretty quickly

quartata

And I trust SE to prevent people from making an army of accounts more than I trust MS

Undo

21:18

It would be possible to remove that role from accounts not created through OAuth, though

ArtOfCode

but honestly, what's the likelihood of a non-SE person (a) finding metasmoke, (b) registering on a website that just contains spam, and (c) working out how to provide feedback?

quartata

Eh.

Still.

@Undo That would work.

ArtOfCode

metasmoke isn't indexed, either, so it's almost nil. But yeah, would go with Undo's suggestion

quartata

But you'd need to provide a way to link an account after

Undo

We'll just make :reviewer 100% dependent on the presence of stack_exchange_account_id

quartata

21:19

@ArtOfCode It is?

At least the home page

Undo

better not be, where are you finding it?

Hippalectryon

Hello :-) I'm pretty new to ML and trying to make some programs on TF, but they always fail to work the way I'd like them to (mostly, they don't converge). I've been doing everything on my own so far and am looking for some people who could help me, any kind of friendly online community which is somewhat machine-learning oriented really. Any recommandations ? Thanks

ArtOfCode

@quartata link?

Undo

Oh, the homepage shows up if you search for metasmoke, which no spammer (or normal person, for that matter) would ever do. Standard Google protocol.

quartata

@Hippalectryon Smokey is not ML based

ArtOfCode

21:20

@Hippalectryon we don't do machine learning with what we do here, but I suspect there are some chatrooms on SO that might be able to help you - try your language's chatroom, or try looking for some ML specific rooms

quartata

Tenfold is probably the best place.

Ten fold

CrossValidated's general room for gossip, grumbles, and idle c...

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Hippalectryon

@quartata Sorry ;_; I don't usually use SE (I'm a MSE user), I just went for the most active SE chatroom

Undo

@Hippalectryon Also, I assume you've seen stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/tensorflow?

Hippalectryon

@quartata thanks

@Undo Yeah, but unfortunately I guess I'd need a real conversation, since I'm not really sure where the issue is in my code and I still have much to learn. Thanks anyway

CaffeineAddiction

this is the most active SE chatroom?

Undo

21:22

Probably not

Maybe most recently active

Hippalectryon

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'Dartmouth' created

M.A.R.

@CaffeineAddiction Nah of course not

Hey @Hipp

Hippalectryon

@M.A.R. Hey :-)

M.A.R.

@Hippalectryon That's only rooms without a parent site

ArtOfCode

21:24

this might be the most active generic-parent room, if that's what you mean

Hippalectryon

Oh, I went to SE -> chat and it directed me there, didn't check

Oh you're right I SE =/= SO

M.A.R.

But I'm ready to bet this room contains the largest number of ''penis''

@Hippalectryon There are three chat servers

Meta.SE, SO and SE

So if we say ''chat 'X' is the most active in SE'', it means on the SE server

I think the room containing the highest number of messages is ELU.

DavidPostill

@M.A.R. ???

M.A.R.

@DavidPostill We were perhaps looking for an achievement this room has made

The room itself, not the people

It also prolly contains the highest number of ''k''

By a wide margin

Hippalectryon

k

Undo

21:30

@quartata done

DavidPostill

@M.A.R. The word you used confuses me ...

M.A.R.

@DavidPostill The quotations (Actually double apostrophes because my shift is broken) indicate that I'm not using the word, but mentioning it

Use–mention distinction

The use–mention distinction is a foundational concept of analytic philosophy, according to which it is necessary to make a distinction between using a word (or phrase) and mentioning it, and many philosophical works have been "vitiated by a failure to distinguish use and mention". The distinction is disputed by non-analytic philosophers. The distinction between use and mention can be illustrated for the word cheese: Use: cheese is derived from milk. Mention: cheese is derived from the Old English word ċēse. The first sentence is a statement about the substance called "cheese"; it uses the word...

SmokeDetector

21:42

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: how do I convert my java files into an application? by The Dibermaster on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

fp- by 4castle

naa- by Gothdo

angussidney

@Undo feel free to delete my sock from MS

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'lalo' created

CaffeineAddiction

@Andy github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/541

Usage:

docker build -t smokey-dev .
docker run --rm -it -v ~/:/root/src smokey-dev

where ~/ should be replaced with the path of your local checkout

quartata

21:57

@Undo Can you link an SE account later?

Undo

@quartata Yes

DavidPostill

@M.A.R. Never mind ...

quartata

@Undo Cool. I think that's a good compromise

Undo

Designed to prevent people from re linking their accounts later to refresh it, though - if we manually remove someone from review, we probably don't want them to get privs back on their own.

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'beattyac' created

quartata

22:01

eternal september

:P

Definitely a good thing. More autoflags!

J F

!!/rev

SmokeDetector

@JF 4453953 (ArtOfCode: Merge pull request #535 from Glorfindel83/master)

quartata

@ArtOfCode So just to clarify, MS review privileges means I can only review on MS, correct

Undo

yes

And through the API

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'philipxy' created

quartata

22:04

Should we turn off the announcements?

Undo

I don't see a reason to, they're kinda fun to watch

But if a bunch of other folks don't like 'em, we can get rid of them

quartata

We could do it in batches. Like every hour: New metasmoke users: '...'. I don't think they'll get too out of hand though but we'll see

Huh, how does Coal do this typing indicator thing?

J F

@quartata Stack Exchange Chat Status userscript

quartata

Ah.

Who runs it?

ArtOfCode

only works for people who have it

Nathan Osman's server

quartata

22:10

Also, Coal doesn't have a dock icon on Ubuntu.

J F

@quartata I’ll be fixing that as soon as I get this next release out — it’ll have binaries with icons.

quartata

See, this is actually something that I'm cool with using Electron for. I usually hate it but this is something it's actually designed to do -- render large amounts of HTML

J F

Just need 1 spam to test something (if it works), then I’ll push.

ArtOfCode

it's slow and annoying, but it does make a good way for people with zero desktop experience to produce desktop apps

J F

Annoying?

quartata

22:12

He means memory-wise I presume.

When it's just one page like this it's slightly less annoying.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: can't pars website RSS on my android by Steadyyy on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

New metasmoke user 'J. Doe' created

Undo

sd f

SmokeDetector

@Undo [:35614013] That message is not a report.

Undo

... yeah

I won't touch it to let @JF test whatever he needs to

quartata

So, how do you do false positives from Coal?

ArtOfCode

22:15

@SmokeDetector testing, @Undo

@quartata chat feedback

J F

@quartata FDSC’s installed too.

Undo

@ArtOfCode Could probably use a more obvious username there

quartata

@JF Yeah but that only works for when you flag

CaffeineAddiction

@ArtOfCode chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35606585#35606585

J F

@Undo It’s fine — Just the 1 report is all I need.

quartata

22:16

Oh wait, missed the false positive link

Uhh, FDSC controls don't show up in the window that pops up

Oh there we go

SmokeDetector

fp- by DavidPostill

quartata

OK I have more questions now :P

Why doesn't my MS feedback show up like that?

J F

@quartata What do you mean?

quartata

@JF I did fp- on that post, but Smokey didn't say anything in chat.

What's the difference?

Does it not do that for feedback from the API?

ArtOfCode

@quartata only for the first one on each post

quartata

22:21

@ArtOfCode But I did it before that messages showed up.

ArtOfCode

@quartata you did it through review, not the API

quartata

Oh yes, because I went to MS to authenticate FDSC >_>

Awkward.

ArtOfCode

this admin access to a bunch of data is pretty fun :)

quartata

@ArtOfCode oi stop stealing my credit card numbers

Undo

@ArtOfCode which data?

ArtOfCode

22:23

@quartata you gave us your CCN? that would be a bad idea ;)

@Undo just the clear feedback page

Undo

oh

ArtOfCode

ya know, that one that said "from review" instead of "from FDSC" :)

M.A.R.

Hey, I expected more people here chatting

Hmm, did something happen with mods from other sites while I was gone?

ArtOfCode

...when?

M.A.R.

I was gone twice or thrice today. It seems there was a chat drama in one of the leaves

ArtOfCode

22:26

entirely possible

M.A.R.

I'm just curious what happened

Was it about meta.SO versus meta.SE?

Undo

Any drama today was pretty much resolved by staff helpfully featuring it on mSE

quartata

No it was about posting on the site metas.

Which is pointless if we're featured :P

Undo

so we're done with all the drama. No more.

Jan Dvorak

I thought the drama was about autoflags?

Undo

22:28

oh, maybe there was more drama that I missed

M.A.R.

@Undo oh good

J F

coal v0.6.0 is now available, featuring binaries for macOS and Linux, as well as some new features.

M.A.R.

@JF what does this one do? Flag in chat?

Undo

Which one's for macOS?

NobodyNada

@Undo darwin

Undo

22:29

oh right

... how is this 118MB? :P

quartata

@JF Oh I already have it haha

M.A.R.

Hullo @Zach! Welcome to Charcoal

quartata

Since I built from source

Undo

Must be a bunch of Electron stuff

quartata

@Undo electron is 100 MB

ish

Undo

22:30

ah, okay

J F

@M.A.R. Lots. See the changelog.

ArtOfCode

18 MB? That's still quite a lot...

NobodyNada

@ArtOfCode nope, 118 MB

Undo

quartata

@ArtOfCode emphasis on "ish"

Undo

22:31

(I know how to get around that, but normal people don't)

I could probably sign it if we need to

ArtOfCode

@Undo "installation of only apps"?

ouch

CaffeineAddiction

@Undo sign it w/ what key?

Undo

It's really simple to get around, and it's a helpful warning in practice

@CaffeineAddiction I have Apple dev credentials

M.A.R.

@Undo it occasionally does that to me too but the error message doesn't look as good

J F

@ArtOfCode “apps” is Apple-ese for “applications”.

CaffeineAddiction

22:32

ah

Undo

ArtOfCode

@JF I know, but the grammar is fairly terrible

NobodyNada

> A JavaScript error occurred in the main process

oops, ninja'd

Undo

This one, though, I don't know how to get around

quartata

? I don't get that.

SmokeDetector

22:32

New metasmoke user 'Patrick Evans' created

ArtOfCode

"only allow installation of apps" would be better. "installation of only apps" is... awkward.

Undo

@ArtOfCode Yeah, a little bit. I've never thought about it before, it just made sense

Now I'm going to nice that every time. Thanks :P

J F

@Undo Fixed in repo; binaries should be available in a few minutes.

ArtOfCode

presumably, some developer did "allow installation of " + $current_setting.description

NobodyNada

wait, what's the typo?

should it be "your settings only allow installation of apps" or something?

M.A.R.

22:35

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35602465#35602465 -- uh oh, so that's what happened

ArtOfCode

2 mins ago, by ArtOfCode

"only allow installation of apps" would be better. "installation of only apps" is... awkward.

NobodyNada

true

M.A.R.

@NobodyNada not typo, programmer grammar

NobodyNada

Programmar!

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'doppelgreener' created

M.A.R.

22:36

Nice, we have around 20 mods in MS at least prolly now

quartata

@Undo Should we add notifications for when metasmoke CIs fail?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: Wordpress get custom posts and pages showing in results from category.php by Mark on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

fp- by J F

J F

…and AIM works again :)

Undo

@quartata Art and I already get emails for them, that's probably enough

quartata

I like the desktop notification in Coal on reports.

NobodyNada

22:37

@JF \o/

Undo

Difference is that Smokey requires CI to pass before pulling; metasmoke requires me to run a command.

M.A.R.

@JF dunno, I'm on mobile

quartata

@Undo Oh so Metasmoke does not auto-deploy then.

I mean that makes sense obviously

Undo

Nooooooo

quartata

but the room topic says "dev-on-prod"

you're betraying the core principles here

Undo

22:38

It's mostly me that does that.

M.A.R.

Question, why does "Noooooooooooooo" sound 13 times friendlier than "No"?

And is there a similar effect in variants such as "Nø" and "Nóò"?

Byte Commander

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: how to automatically generate comments for methods written by us in eclipse rcp? by Jonatas on stackoverflow.com (@dorukayhan)

tpu- by Gothdo

quartata

Ugh, you people are so fast.

@CaffeineAddiction Actually MS is the one that does autoflagging soooooo

ArtOfCode

@CaffeineAddiction it's metasmoke that does the nuking, which is why autodeploy is not a thing

CaffeineAddiction

22:42

ah

see, that makes more sense

ArtOfCode

@JF [bug] [linux-x64] clicking the link from chat to log into SE gets me a blank page

quartata

@ArtOfCode Not for me.

J F

@ArtOfCode Try opening the DevTools and doing window.location = 'https://stackexchange.com/users/login'.

quartata

Have we ever actually run out of API quota?

ArtOfCode

opening the dev tools... how?

J F

22:49

@ArtOfCode ⌘⎇I / Ctrl+Shift+I

ArtOfCode

doesn't work

does literally nothing

quartata

Did you build from source or are these the binaries? I haven't tried the binaries

ArtOfCode

this is the binary

NobodyNada

@JF It's still not working for me on 0.6.1

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