Charcoal HQ

iBug

11:01 AM

I'll re-request push access after another few month's contribution :)

M.A.R.

So, what can we do to reduce the conflicting feedback messages, and should we?

angussidney

@M.A.R. I'd almost propose removing them altogether and replacing it with some sort of search functionality on MS. Half of the time it isn't even accurate.

SmokeDetector

New metasmoke user 'Adinia' created

iBug

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

@iBug Body - Position 260-275: babasupport.org

M.A.R.

11:06 AM

@SmokeDetector someone's late for the party

@angussidney they are useful every now and then

@iBug why

But they're just too much now

angussidney

Night all o/

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Consuming 15 eggs an afternoon! by nhsyzazty on askubuntu.com

iBug

night angus \o

SmokeDetector

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

@angussidney these Aussie timezones

G'night

Adinia

11:11 AM

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

@Adinia You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

Jake Symons

@SmokeDetector k

M.A.R.

@Adinia hello! Welcome to Charcoal!

Adinia

@M.A.R. Hello M.A.R and thank you for welcoming me, while I still try to figure out how I can help

iBug

@Adinia Lurk here for some time and you'll know the basics. It's very simple.

After that, you can ping an admin to grant you privileges.

A J

11:15 AM

@JF ohh. I need Python one.

iBug

@AJ Ruby on Rails :)

Adinia

@iBug Thank you, I am not very sure yet if this is the right room, or I should start in the SOCVR room :/

Mithrandir

@Adinia Hiya, welcome! Always nice to see new users around. We've got a (slightly work-in-progress) introduction/training session on our website; want to check that out and tell us if it's helpful?

M.A.R.

@iBug I keep wondering why this Ruby guy doesn't get crushed by a train

iBug

@Adinia This is the right room if you want to help Stack Exchange fight off spam and trolling. It reads "Charcoal HQ".

M.A.R.

11:17 AM

@Mithrandir eeeeesh

Adinia

@Mithrandir Thank you, I just did that, and I arrived here from that page

tripleee

@Adinia both projects are concerned with site quality; we are strictly spam but on the other hand across the entire network, while SOCVR is focused on Stack Overflow only, but with a broader scope of quality problems they look at

M.A.R.

@Adinia both?

Mithrandir

ah, lovely

@M.A.R. ?

M.A.R.

Look out for rene though

Adinia

11:17 AM

@iBug Yes, I am mostly a SO user, though I have a few other SE accounts

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. yeah, that flower is intimidating, eh?

iBug

@Adinia Smokey will report only SO posts to SOCVR, and getting privileges there requires RO approval.

Adinia

@tripleee Thank you, that's a helpful explanation

M.A.R.

@Mithrandir just eesh. Imagine a dystopian future were we make spam fighters

tripleee

when I first came here I was wary of touching sites I wasn't familiar with but after a while you realize that the spammers send exactly the same spam to a large number of sites, and getting it deleted is routine

M.A.R.

11:18 AM

@Mithrandir carnivorous

tripleee

a good guidance is to not provide feedback on stuff you are not entirely sure of

M.A.R.

@tripleee this

iBug

@tripleee like when you hit [Skip] in review queues

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. DON'T EAT ME @RENE

tripleee

@iBug yeah, more people should learn to love the skip button

M.A.R.

11:20 AM

@iBug what's skip? I've never seen it

tripleee

in the review queues on many of the sites, you can click "fine" or "bad" or "skip (I don't know)"

iBug

@M.A.R. Skip is you hover a rope in your hands, swing the rope round and round and you jump when it hits the ground.

tripleee

M.A.R.

@iBug sounds boring. Why do people do it?

Adinia

@tripleee Yes, that's for sure; I was 1005 sure it was spam when I tried to provide feedback earlier, but I didn't really realize that I don't have that privilege(though I have just read the Privileges tutorial)

Mithrandir

11:21 AM

why does SO have so many extra queues

tripleee

@M.A.R. in hope of a bronze badge, no doubt

iBug

because SO has so many extra posts

Mithrandir

@Adinia Just hang around for a few days, you'll then (in all likelihood) be qualified for privs. Our requirements basically amount to "are you sane?"

M.A.R.

@Adinia that sounds like definitely sure

@tripleee badge farmer

tripleee

@Adinia yeah, that was fine, just making sure to mention it because it's easy to be pulled along into voting on stuff just because others did

M.A.R.

11:22 AM

@Mithrandir + are you 13 at least?

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. Don't ask, don't tell

tripleee

@M.A.R. that was below the belt

M.A.R.

For instance, Mith didn't have privileges because he's too young

Adinia

@M.A.R. Ups, that was supposed to be 100% :D

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. pff

I didn't have privs because I declined them at first

M.A.R.

11:23 AM

@tripleee my pant's button?

33 secs ago, by Mithrandir

@M.A.R. pff

Processed Meat

0

Q: Confused about disclosure and spam flagging

Someone has a post up on SO right now advertising a "Microwave Dinner Set" . I flagged it as spam, but reconsidered the flag, since the description of the flag says "and does not disclose the author's affiliation". Technically, they do disclose that by saying "us", which makes it clear that t...

M.A.R.

@ProcessedMeat Oh, new post

Mithrandir

@trip can you provide a screenshot of stackoverflow.com/questions/49276079?

Adinia

@tripleee yes, better to remind everyone from the beginning than to have to correct them afterwards

M.A.R.

@ProcessedMeat ha, they overthought it

@Adinia duuuude(tte). Someone give this guy privileges

tripleee

11:26 AM

Mithrandir

thanks

tripleee

exactly what they said it would be

M.A.R.

Tanks

tripleee

the user has a profile on 3 other sites too

or I mean the same profile has accounts on 3 other sites

Mithrandir

Isn't it that it's the account that has different profiles?

tripleee

11:28 AM

@Mithrandir oh I dunno, I'm confused now

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: firstnutritionfacts.com/keto-trim-diet/ by user279972 on apple.SE

tpu- by Mithrandir

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, offensive body detected: I need bash to do this process by TNT on unix.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

Mithrandir

fail copy/paste "v" at the end

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

@Mithrandir you should have added a comment and teased him

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, offensive body detected, blacklisted user: I need bash to do the process below by TNT on unix.SE

tpu- by iBug

Ferrybig

11:32 AM

Mar 4 at 21:33, by ArtOfCode

New policy: Please don't comment on posts Smokey reports unless you're familiar with the site.

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector was it another post?

tripleee

@M.A.R. yeah, posted 20 seconds ago when I clicked on it

M.A.R.

@Ferrybig oh you bureaucrats

Mithrandir

@M.A.R. yup, two separate posts

M.A.R.

Okay, someone's feeling funny today

Biraj Shah, Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India

1

Huh, suspended

iBug

11:36 AM

*someone's feeling funny"?

oh, that spammer.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +2 more: wellnessfeeds.com/enduraflex-ca/ by jasbalaad on apple.SE

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

@iBug the TNT guy

iBug

why is he feeling funny?

tripleee

@iBug because he feels compelled to vandalize the site with UPPERCASE PROFANITY

or well that's why MAR is saying that

we don't have insights into his (or her??) mental health per se

M.A.R.

@tripleee I was expecting more posts after the second one

iBug

11:38 AM

well, blatant profanity appeares quite often, especially on SO

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body, blacklisted user: A Look at the Lending Initiative Fronted by Project Healthureum with Respect to Research and Development by amit kumar on bitcoin.SE

iBug

we get one every few days.

M.A.R.

Dangit. So hard to find good quality trolls these days

SmokeDetector

tpu- by iBug

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: How to Install Microsoft Windows OS if already have Ubuntu 12.04 installed by Nikhil Dawid on unix.SE

iBug

There were someone posting targeing Jon Skeet

SmokeDetector

11:39 AM

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

None of these noobs are as persistent as wingding

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: As part of the fitness by nhsyzazty on apple.SE

tripleee

or they are too sophisticated for us

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K oh man, a classic

SmokeDetector

tpu- by tripleee

M.A.R.

11:40 AM

@SmokeDetector K

@tripleee they're sophisticated by not being persistent?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Which is correct, bloodsucker or bloodsuckers? by Gamaliel Noel on ell.SE

DonQuiKong

spammy patents.stackexchange.com/a/19282/18033

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: News Article Data Sets by yolo_does_not_detect_me on stackoverflow.com

tripleee

@M.A.R. if they are doing something else and we are not noticing

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Yvette on Which is correct, bloodsucker or bloodsuckers? [MS]

iBug

11:41 AM

!!/scan patents.stackexchange.com/questions/19084/…

SmokeDetector

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

SmokeDetector

@iBug Post What are the key questions that should be answered in Claims does not look like spam.

iBug

!!/scan patents.stackexchange.com/a/19282

SmokeDetector

@iBug Post What are the key questions that should be answered in Claims does not look like spam.

tripleee

11:43 AM

not spam, let the regulars on that site handle it

M.A.R.

@iBug you really dig that command

Yvette Colomb

NAA

M.A.R.

Yeah

tripleee

!!/blacklist-keyword keto\W?trim

SmokeDetector

@tripleee Blacklisted keto\W?trim

M.A.R.

11:44 AM

Seems to be a poor soul asking for help signing in to gmail

SmokeDetector

tpu by Zoe

M.A.R.

!!/scan iBug

SmokeDetector

@M.A.R. That does not look like a valid post URL.

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 56202e7 (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of keto\W?trim by tripleee --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 16407.

DonQuiKong

I don't know why someone would spam their email-adress instead of their website, but it does look like that. Nobody can be that ... stupid? An answer and two comments for help signing in to gmail?

tripleee

!!/blacklist-username ^yolo_does_not_detect_me$

M.A.R.

11:47 AM

Asking for help, not asking to help

SmokeDetector

@tripleee Blacklisted ^yolo_does_not_detect_me$

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: by doing kit and kaboodle by Memn one on drupal.SE

tripleee

there's a comment to flag as well patents.stackexchange.com/questions/19084/…

SmokeDetector

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector K

SmokeDetector

CI on e8aa62d succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

iBug

11:48 AM

A small fix to !!/scan command

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev e8aa62d (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of ^yolo_does_not_detect_me$ by tripleee --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 16371.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, no whitespace in answer, repeating characters in answer: Prevent XSS with strip_tags()? by user9491211 on stackoverflow.com

tpu- by iBug

iBug

Should be good to merge.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Truly, we have a total posting of segments (which we'll get into underneath), by Andesch84 Virk on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- by iBug

M.A.R.

@SmokeDetector Hehe bashing the product

They're right. It provides zero insights as to what advanced IQ is

Federico

@SmokeDetector uhm, why is the MS link missing?

M.A.R.

11:53 AM

Huh!

iBug

Huh?

WELZ

wtf

M.A.R.

Smokey is sooo broken these days

WELZ

message was probably too long

iBug

but hey, there's a FIRE icon@

tripleee

11:54 AM

@Federico it happens when the combined list of reasons is too long to fit in a chat message

WELZ

@iBug which is even weirder

metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/110158

Federico

@tripleee ah, ok

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in answer: How to add a shutdown script (not by using gpedit.msc or active directory)? by iMac Customer Service Number on serverfault.com

tripleee

there's a bug about that, there are several of us who think abbreviating the list of reasons would be better than removing the MS link

SmokeDetector

tpu- by iBug

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Truly, we have a total posting of segments (which we'll get into underneath), by Andesch84 Virk on graphicdesign.SE

iBug

11:55 AM

@SmokeDetector MS link

WELZ

GD.... we have lot's of reasons o.O

M.A.R.

What's the use of showing 4 or 5 reasons for a post?

doppelgreener

@SmokeDetector double report:

5 mins ago, by SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Truly, we have a total posting of segments (which we'll get into underneath), by Andesch84 Virk on graphicdesign.SE

M.A.R.

I'd say just show the three with the best weights, then add the "and 65 more"

tripleee

@M.A.R. in the worst case the title alone is too long (dunno what the limit is)

but yeah, "x and n more" would be fine if you can click on the MS link to figure out what those others are instead

WELZ

11:57 AM

Why don't we have it show 2 highest weighing reasons and then (full post weight)

M.A.R.

@doppelgreener sooo sooo broken

WELZ

It would be nice if the messages (and FIRE) showed full weight

M.A.R.

@WELZ or two, yeah

Processed Meat

1

Q: Remove/Change mention of disclosure in spam flag reason

This is a follow-up to my previous question. I think we should change the description of the flag reason to either make it clearer that disclosure isn't required, or remove that part of the description altogether. From the answers to my previous question, it doesn't appear as though disclosure ...

feature-request flags spam

M.A.R.

@ProcessedMeat you just don't let go

tripleee

11:58 AM

hmmm, can't find an open issue on Github, am I blind?

WELZ

maybe

M.A.R.

@tripleee won does though? Weight more than 400 is just obvious spam, we don't really need to know the reasons for it

Other than to feel proud

tripleee