Charcoal HQ

M.A.R.

12:00 AM

@NobodyNada he has issues

Like, bugs

@NobodyNada you were supposed to feedback. Now, your MS token, SD privileges and credit card will be taken

:43365682 bugs are funny. I have loads of them

ArtOfCode

@Undo \o/

M.A.R.

If you interpret bugs as things uncomputery in humans

quartata

...

wait

I had a rhing

!!/subscribed

SmokeDetector

@quartata No such command 'subscribed'.

Cerbrus

@WELZ ya

M.A.R.

12:02 AM

But if I was too big a jerk, sorry

quartata

Can't remember what I called it

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 1 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

quartata

hey the SO one worked

@Undo can you check a deletion time for me

M.A.R.

Wait. Wasn't sandbox locked or something?

Undo

Aye

@ArtOfCode's handwriting is impressive. And thanks :)

quartata

12:05 AM

this one: stackoverflow.com/a/49246161

WELZ

@Cerbrus was thinking, would be nice to make FIRE work on transcripts as well (I tried just adding in // @match *://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/*... well that didn't work, so it's not as simple as I'd hoped)

ArtOfCode

:)

Undo

2018-03-13 00:01:15Z

M.A.R.

@Undo did you ping @Cat that you received the stickers?

Catija

No :(

Undo

12:06 AM

I did :)

quartata

@Undo 15?

Undo

@quartata That's the right timestamp

I did get to explain why someone with a female-sounding name was sending me stuff in an envelope with pink marker on it, though ;)

quartata

but it's :07 now

Catija

Pink? What? Was it pink?

Undo

...blue. Light blue-greenish

WELZ

12:08 AM

@WELZ or tomorrow (maybe even the next day) because of the storm coming... my life is ruined! 😲

Cerbrus

@WELZ there was a good reason it didn't work there. I just don't remember what it was. I couldn't get it working back when I wrote it.

Catija

OK. I know I made one person's pink but it wasn't yours.

Undo

Dunno where pink came from. My brain is fried from work today.

Cerbrus

and now I'm afk - sleepin' :D

Undo

@quartata That's seconds

quartata

12:09 AM

...oh

what's the exact timestamp on this? m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//stackoverflow.com/a/…

In MS

It's looking like Meta SE might not broadcast deletions incidentally

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 1 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

!!/reboot

Goodbye, cruel world

lol

@SmokeDetector noooooo

SmokeDetector

12:11 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev a135389 (quartata: action is already parsed) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Undo

@quartata Tue, 13 Mar 2018 00:01:16 UTC +00:00

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 9153.

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 0 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

quartata

@Undo so pretty good

Undo

12:11 AM

@quartata Easy to test

quartata

ok what gives, you clearly checked it

Oh

Did we want it to send off to MS when culling

I forgot I didn't do that

well I guess it's working then

Looks like it

Looks like what?

Like it's working

@Cerbrus hmm

Anybody else know?

quartata

12:15 AM

Oh I thought you meant the MSE thing

So going back through the transcript it looks like Art wanted it this way

which is not to report posts that were deleted during a reboot since we don't know the exact time

Undo

Reboots aren't that long, but they would definitely skew results

quartata

or an instance shutting down entirely

then coming back up and we get (deleted about 7 months ago)

Undo

Failing MS knowing how to handle uncertainty in deletion times, throwing away deletion data on those seems like a reasonable step

I'm not terribly attached to any solution there

(gotta run)

quartata

this is fine then

WELZ

soooooooooooooo, I replaced the flame emoji in FIRE with a devil emoji 😈.... the results are fantastic!

hehe, evil spam

SmokeDetector

12:27 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer, blacklisted user: Requirements to accept and send SegWit transactions? by Pengin on bitcoin.SE

drham

@SmokeDetector tp

SmokeDetector

@drham You are not a privileged user. Please see the privileges wiki page for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.

drham

:(

Thomas Ward

appears from nowhere

Makyen

@WELZ @Cerbrus I've already coded having FIRE work in transcripts, search and FIRE's chat user pages. Yes, there were other changes needed. I need to get a PR together.

WELZ

12:34 AM

Nice!

SmokeDetector

naa- by WELZ

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 1 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

SmokeDetector

1:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Vanderpump Rules Season 6 Episode 14 by jedet on wordpress.SE

iBug

hey guys

I want to nominate myself in the election, but I don't really want to be a mod. I only want to collect feedbacks to prepare for further real elections (real = I want to be a mod). Is it OK?

Andy

No

iBug

not even if I state clearly "I only want to learn"?

Andy

Nope. If it's not a serious nomination, what do you think the feedback you're going to get all be?

iBug

Fine. I'll refrain from doing so.

Andy

1:44 AM

Read the feedback the current nominees are getting. See if any of it applies to you.

iBug

Oh yes. You Charcoal guys are rocking and I can collect some first-hand feedbacks from you :) 👍

Andy

Go back to previous elections and do the same.

iBug

@Andy Good recommendation. Thanks

WELZ

I would normally suggest to just nominate yourself and then remove it at the last minute.... but my suggestions lately have been criticized. :S

iBug

@WELZ As Andy says.

Rob

1:46 AM

@iBug Or indeed, you can read through past nominations as well

Andy

@WELZ That's a great way too have your name remembered by a CM in a negative way

iBug

btw, " @Andy " on SE + " @AWegnerGitHub " on GH indicates your full name is probably "Andy Wegner"?

Andy

Probably a decent guess

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: NodeMailer with Firebase -- not receiving emails on success by Shpadoinkle on stackoverflow.com

iBug

@SmokeDetector f

what about submitting an answer to the candidate questionnaire?

without nominating myself

Rob

1:52 AM

Again, I don't see the benefit here. It interferes with the actual election.

Andy

It'd be removed. That's for the candidates

iBug

oh ok

WELZ

@Andy yes, indeed it will.

We need 150 rep to vote for a mod in SO election, correct?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title, title has only one unique char: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm by Margarita on stackoverflow.com

tp- by WELZ

New metasmoke user 'Yusril Herlian Syah' created

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, link at end of body: Toilet Hose Bidet price by weaasdas on superuser.com

WELZ

2:10 AM

sd k

SmokeDetector

tpu- by WELZ

WELZ

!!/watch plasticbidet\.com

SmokeDetector

@WELZ Added plasticbidet\.com to watchlist

quartata

You know @JeremyBanks something I don’t think we considered is that the “You must be logged in to chat” notification links to the global SE login... I wonder where that will go now...

WELZ

!!/watch aquatownbidet\.com

SmokeDetector

2:12 AM

CI on 854acbd succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 12bc7ba (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of aquatownbidet\.com by WELZ --autopull) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 8387.

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 3 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

quartata

@SmokeDetector still alive.

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata 2 post(s) currently monitored for deletion.

quartata

...but no TTD showed up on MS

@Undo is there a cutoff?

SmokeDetector

2:16 AM

tpu- by WELZ on Vanderpump Rules Season 6 Episode 14 [MS]

quartata

Oh I am dumb

Not logged into Metasmoke

...no, it’s not there

Andy

Don't we stop watching a post after 10 minutes?

quartata

not anymore

iBug

@Andy IIRC it was 20 min, not 10min

Undo

@quartata MS doesn't enforce anything I know of

I can pull logs when I get home

quartata

2:30 AM

ugh... why wouldn’t it send off the deletion log

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Questions that already have your answer by Snfvosj on apple.SE

tpu- by WELZ

quartata

That’s got a deletion log

Hm

SmokeDetector

CI on fcbf83f failed.

K.Dᴀᴠɪs

@ArtOfCode

Moderating multiple sites can be tricky. As we've seen with different meta posts from different sites, each one wants to do their own thing. If this community has agreed to do something differently than the other communities you moderate, will you be prone to follow the other standards that you are already used to and agree with, or would you be able to separate the two and perform what each community wants and expects? In other words, are you willing to put on multiple hats for each site and perform to each of your community's expectations and standards? — K.Dᴀᴠɪs 16 secs ago

SmokeDetector

CI on 41b590f succeeded.

quartata

2:38 AM

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 41b590f (quartata: flake) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 8257.

@quartata {'1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', 'https://stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [(None, None)])}

quartata

ok

WELZ

I ordered 2 x 27" curved monitors for my desk... this will be fun.

drham

2:48 AM

@WELZ 👌

SmokeDetector

tpu by WELZ

tpu by WELZ on Toilet Hose Bidet price [MS]

fp by WELZ on NodeMailer with Firebase -- not receiving emails on success [MS]

tpu by WELZ on Vanderpump Rules Season 6 Episode 14 [MS]

Undo

@WELZ A few months ago I would have said "why curved?", but after having worked with 2x27 (flat) for a while... I see why curved has appeal

quartata

Hm.... I just realized a problem

WELZ

@Undo I've never used a curved screen before (pretty much only seen them set up in Costco, Walmart etc.) so I'm pretty excited.

quartata

That post up there will never stop being listened to, since it was vandalized

I should stop listening on edit

WELZ

2:57 AM

I like the "immersive" aspect of it

quartata

...that’s an extra nuisance to cull

Undo

@quartata Why not put a sanity limit on it? Sometimes real spam/abusive stuff gets edited by clueless folks, could we just stop listening after an hour or two?

quartata

Hmmm

Ehhh

I suppose

it’s not really a problem for them to stick around but

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Is there an efficient way to exploit arbitrages between the different exchanges? by user78728 on bitcoin.SE

quartata

it’s so cheap

WELZ

2:59 AM

@SmokeDetector This is also a problem, ~~all~~ most of these were already feedbacked by me, but when I opend Review in MS they were all there (it doesn't put in 2 feedbacks for me, but it does count as a feedback I've given - towards core etc.)

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-121': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', '//bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', [(<bound method TimerHandle.cancel of <TimerHandle when=4707502.616694424 Tasks.later.<locals>.<lambda>() at /home/smokey/SmokeDetector/tasks.py:26>>, None), (None, None)]), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', 'https://stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [(None, None)])}

tpu- by WELZ

quartata

well that’s funny

oh. Right. It wouldn’t be posted there

Ohhhh

There’s the problem

The URL format is wrong when restoring from pickle

It needs // for metasmoke to recognize it because it’s dumb

let me be sure

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-121': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', '//bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', [(<bound method TimerHandle.cancel of <TimerHandle when=4707502.616694424 Tasks.later.<locals>.<lambda>() at /home/smokey/SmokeDetector/tasks.py:26>>, None), (None, None)]), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', 'https://stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [(None, None)])}

quartata

I suppose I’ll wait for it to go to the tavern

!!/listening

uh

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

3:04 AM

@quartata Kinda sorta

quartata

!!/listening

what

!!/errorlogs 100

nope

that's not it

!!/listening

literally no reason for this to happen

!!/reboot

SmokeDetector

3:07 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 41b590f (quartata: flake) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

Restart: API quota is 8103.

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-None': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', 'https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', [(None, None)]), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', 'https://stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [(None, None)])}

quartata

ok well that does demonstrate it at least

Andy

@K.Dᴀᴠɪs there is no reason to bring this comment in this room. Art is pinged by the comment you left. If you still want to chat about it, the dedicated election chat room is more appropriate

SmokeDetector

CI on 4ad654e succeeded.

quartata

3:11 AM

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started in reverted mode at rev 41b590f (quartata: flake) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

!!/alive?

What

SmokeDetector

@quartata plz send teh coffee

Restart: API quota is 8068.

iBug

@quartata New command suffix?

quartata

!!/errorlogs

SmokeDetector

3:12 AM

TypeError: string indices must be integers
2018-03-12 23:40:08.167867 UTC
File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/excepthook.py", line 54, in run_with_except_hook
run_old(*args, **kw)

File "/usr/lib/python3.5/threading.py", line 862, in run
self._target(*self._args, **self._kwargs)

File "/home/smokey/SmokeDetector/deletionwatcher.py", line 55, in _start
del self.posts[action["action"]]

TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not iterable
2018-03-13 03:11:34.153109 UTC
File "ws.py", line 76, in <module>
GlobalVars.deletion_watcher = DeletionWatcher()

quartata

oh ffs

I hate this

iBug

@quartata The URL bug just occurred again yesterday.

I plan to add/change a filter to URL

Currently we remove known "invisible characters" from the URL and hope it's done.

I want to do the reverse: Rebuild the URL from "known valid" characters, which is supposed to be more secure

e.g. url = ''.join([c for c in url if c in URL_CHAR])

and URL_CHAR=r"ABCDE...XYZabcde...xyz123...890:/%#?-_" (like this)

SmokeDetector

CI on 77cdd41 succeeded.

iBug

Now we have a list of known valid characters, so any invalid characters are filteted out.

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 77cdd41 (quartata: use to_protocol_relative) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

3:17 AM

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-None': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', '//bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', []), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', '//stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [])}

Restart: API quota is 8040.

quartata

@SmokeDetector still up

SmokeDetector

CI on 0f4af0e succeeded.

iBug

!!/pull

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 0f4af0e (quartata: don’t need that check anymore) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

3:20 AM

please ask before pulling my changes on this

iBug

ok

quartata

I didn’t want it to restart if that post went down during the restart

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 8023.

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-None': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', '//bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', []), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', '//stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [])}

quartata

3:24 AM

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'308-question-None': ('72265', 'bitcoin.stackexchange.com', 'answer', '//bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/72265', []), '1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', '//stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [])}

quartata

hmm

Wait what?

the question ID is none

Oh well guess I gotta wait for another

!!/reboot

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 0f4af0e (quartata: don’t need that check anymore) (running on teward/Solar Flare)

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', '//stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', [])}

quartata

3:26 AM

hm hm hm

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 7997.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: CompletableFuture : Invoke a void function asynchronusly by pOleander on stackoverflow.com

quartata

!!/listening

SmokeDetector

@quartata {'1-question-49215463': ('49215463', 'stackoverflow.com', 'question', '//stackoverflow.com/q/49215463', []), '1-question-None': ('49247558', 'stackoverflow.com', 'answer', '//stackoverflow.com/a/49247558', [(<bound method Message.delete of <chatexchange.messages.Message object at 0x7f99780169b0>>, 1520911856.8232858)])}

iBug

@SmokeDetector why

SmokeDetector

Post manually reported by user *Machavity* in room *SO Close Vote Reviewers*.

This post would not have been caught otherwise.

quartata

3:30 AM

...

still a none.

SmokeDetector

naa- by Makyen

quartata

oh no

str(None) is ‘None’

it’s time to stop okay

it’s time to stop

no more weak typing

NobodyNada

@quartata str(None) is an explicit conversion, isn't it?

Makyen

@WELZ Did I understand you to say that providing multiple identical feedbacks on the same post results in increasing your feedback count, as considered for the core role? If so, that doesn't sound like it should be that way.

WELZ

@Makyen yep

It has to do with waiting for 2 reviews in review, it won't go away if I've reviewed with FIRE, and I can just do it again in MS review

Makyen

3:39 AM

@WELZ Hmmm, well, what it actually implies is that any feedback submitted to the API counts. The only reason FIRE doesn't do it is that it specifically checks for you having provided feedback. Personally, I didn't like that, so I removed it and put in a confirmation popup asking for the user to confirm changing feedback.

It implies that you could just write code to send 60 feedbacks on the same post and get core. That would be easy to do, but obvious, if someone looked at the database.

iBug

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

CI on e63ff83 succeeded.

Seth

Look what came in the mail :D

Undo

@Catija Another happy customer!

Catija

WHOO!!!

Seth

3:43 AM

@ArtOfCode @Catija thanks for the organizing work :)

Catija

I can use the USPS!

Seth

and thanks for the note Art. Appreciated :)

Makyen

\o/

Undo

Pretty amazing, really. You and Art basically architected a supply chain with no budget.

SmokeDetector

CI on b369a98 succeeded.

Catija

3:45 AM

@Undo Stickers done! Magnets next! We'll just slowly work our way up the size scale. :P

quartata

@Undo so the problem here is that the answer ID -> question ID conversion is not preserved

Undo

Yep, that'd be a problem

Good find

quartata

Not sure what to do

I’ll worry about it later I guess

Undo

What's the two-sentence summary?

quartata

I use get_post_site_id_link from datahandling to get the parent question from the answer ID. It doesn’t pickle so it’s not remembered between restarts

FrankerZ

3:52 AM

@ArtOfCode You still around?

quartata

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/…

Undo

@FrankerZ Probably sleeping

FrankerZ

Actuall, @Catija since you're around, I just received the package w/stickers. I thought I was on the list to receive both the charcoal ones and SOBotics (Only received 4 SOBotics stickers).

Catija

@FrankerZ Huh... I can send you some! I can't actually find you on the list. :/ Though, there's one person I don't have a SE account for on the list...

FrankerZ

Do you have an email? I can forward you the invoice from Art

Catija

3:59 AM

Email? What's that?

:P

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