@quartata pickles/flat file would be much easier than a full blown DB. Also, privileges could possibly be stored in the code like they are now, but we need to have a discussion on that (GH issue?). Also, isn't MySQL going to be a pain to set up on windows if we want windows compatiability?
The way I see sync'ing needing to work: Local instances use whatever (SQLite, MySQL, carrier pigeons), it doesn't matter. A "master instance" would need to have an API wrapped around it. When an instance fires up/needs to sync, it hits that API to pull/push data
@Andy I was thinking something sort of like this, except less centralised and more distributed. What if we had a sync_data.py script that you could call from the command line with an address to get data from? So, if you fired up an instance and wanted to sync from mine because mine was the last active instance, you could run python sync_data.py 52.36.87.122:28564, and it'd connect to my instance and copy the data across?
Requires careful firewalling and port-forwards, but outside of using MS I don't really see a better way. Someone has to open a firewall, whether it's MS or a master instance or whatever.
If one Smokey instance is compromised all of the other's data can be poisoned, and I'm assuming the security of a Smokey instance is weaker than that of MS
@quartata No, he's saying that if we update a blacklist or privileges or other data the other instances need, it needs to be pushed to the master. That is the point of poisoning.
Downtime is another issue, but one that can be solved/mitigated by caching data on each instance
Once an instance has its data it uses only that data and does whatever it wants to it. But if MS is up and Smokey reports something MS updates its blacklist for the next time an instance starts. If MS is down then the reporting instance can add it to its blacklist like normal but no one else gets that change
@ArtOfCode yeah, no. One option could be to use websockets to move data around instances, that'd allow cross instance communication that doesn't require anything to be stored or firewalls opened
Here are my priorities for most any new change: (1) is this a real solution to a material problem, and (2) is this the simplest way to solve the problem, including factors like resource use and ease of setup.
When setting up a Smokey instance now includes SQL anything, that's a whole new level of resource requirements.
@quartata I can see a pretty good argument for keeping privileges in a database, because it would let us modify and check them on the fly without code edits or reboots, and it would let us have multiple privilege levels.
My thoughts on databases/syncing - if we are going to move away from flat files, local instances should use SQLite. Then instance owners don't need anything other than Python and required smokey libraries. No Mysql required. Syncing with whatever turns out to be the master needs to be done via API calls (not direct DB access) and changes pushed out to other instances so they can update their local SQLite databases.
@ArtOfCode waves celebratory "multiple levels" flag
Side note: I know it seems like I oppose everything suggested for this project, and it's probably because I do. I've seen a lot of silly stuff happen because no one ever asked "why". It's not a question many people are used to answering, so it's a fun one to ask until someone gives a straight answer. Ideally, all I need to see to be convinced of anything is a simple, honest cost benefit analysis. There a subjective human involved, but I do try.
I'm going to agree with that sentiment. I've been throwing lots of critical questions your way too. I still think that Smokey could handle a huge upgrade, done in pieces. But, in the meantime, maybe some of what NG is working on can be ported over. If not directly, the ideas.
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@quartata I think we should continue using the flatfiles, maybe in the csv format, they look nicer in git commit summaries, and can they can be easely ret in multiple languages
though looking at metasmoke, that may actually serve my needs without needing anything else.
we just have to deal with a whole lot of product promotion spam on video production, but there are also a lot of little cheap small utilities that people may have actually found useful too and without going through them all to figure out which are actually legit recommendations and which are link spam to promote up GPL software being reskined and sold and making us look like crap for having links to them as answers is rather labor intensive
but I'd rather not nuke a new user's legitimate recommendation that just happens to be to a non-major product by accident if I can avoid it
@ArtOfCode We don't need to have code updates to do things like adding user permissions, black listing a user, unblacklisting, etc. Instead, it's an entry into the database and having the application pull the new data into memory (if it needs to be in memory). It pulls, essentially, configuration data out of the repository and potentially eliminates the 100s of commits we have for simple things like blacklisting (assuming that's in the DB as well)
@Andy if we have a db, I'd vote to put as much as possible in it, partially because of what you mention there and partially just to make it worth having
@Andy The problem I have with having blacklisted websites in the DB is right now we have a nice system where pull requests are used as a democratic-ish system for blacklisting things. We'd lose that
Do you not then get the same problem in reverse? You pull at some predefined interval even if nothing changed. The bonus being that it means you no longer have to commit and automatically pull when a blacklist happens?
Dear SmokeDetector developers! Please, add JSFiddle to a list of exceptions for warning “Link at end of answer...”. I hope that alarming on a links to code example is inappropriate on programming QA site.
Подключи стили ниже бустрапа не нужно будет ничего перебивать.
Дай всем элементам которые появляются
.goods {display: block;}
Если не получится залей на http://jsfiddle.net
Link at end of answer is one category that is being tested, I think it comes natural that it has a higher FP rate. Do we really need the extra complexity to exclude certain domains from that category? Are there other spam rules that are enabled/disabled per site?
@ArtOfCode @Undo I'd like to run my Py3 Smokey alongside existing Smokey on the SmokeDetector account in CHQ Only mode, and I can adjust the chat prefix to show Py3 Test or such, so we can avoid the 404 errors on other chat sites. Unless that's a bug I'd like to be able to 'test' alongside actual smokey, since AquariusOne adds additional errors due to chat.so and chat.meta.se
Подключи стили ниже бустрапа не нужно будет ничего перебивать.
Дай всем элементам которые появляются
.goods {display: block;}
Если не получится залей на http://jsfiddle.net
