The Reading Room

steelersquirrel

16:00

@NapoleonWilson Sure it does! Don't you feel "blue in the face" sometimes? ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel So, where's your A Moveable Feast question?

steelersquirrel

@NapoleonWilson I don't know. I don't really know what to ask about it...+1 for getting my favorite book correct, though! ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel I told you I listen occasionally.

steelersquirrel

@NapoleonWilson I know! I'm so excited that it's actually "occasionally" :P

DForck42

@steelersquirrel heh

Skooba

16:04

@steelersquirrel huh, did you say something?

steelersquirrel

@Skooba Oh, I said lots of things the other day...but nobody seemed to remember any of them :P

In particular some phone conversation that I had... ;)

Napoleon Wilson

:'(

Skooba

Himarm

bork!

steelersquirrel

Hehehe!

DForck42

16:09

@steelersquirrel I don't think people can understand the high pitched chirping

steelersquirrel

@DForck42 Can't argue with you there... ;)

Napoleon Wilson

Yeah, that. ;-P

steelersquirrel

See ^^

Skooba

I thought it was all the gnawing on nuts that made it hard to understand

steelersquirrel

:P

DForck42

16:14

5

Q: How much is lost in translating a work of literature?

TL;DR: How much is lost in translating a work of literature, and similarly, what more is gained by reading the source work? I'm currently in the process of reading Cyrano de Bergerac (translated by Charles Renauld). There, an introduction is made by Adolphe Cohn, said to be the Professor of the ...

translation

too broad

every translation will be different

Napoleon Wilson

Told'ya so.

DForck42

@Skooba lol

steelersquirrel

@DForck42 Skooba is trying to bait me with his Tom Foolery ;)

@NapoleonWilson Well, why does it have 4 close votes and 5 upvotes?

DForck42

@steelersquirrel "bait"

steelersquirrel

Yes...bait ;)

DForck42

16:17

@steelersquirrel it's an interesting question, and not out-right bad, hence the upvotes. I just don't think it's of appropriate scale for the site

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel I don't know. It's still a well-formed question and it could be argued to not be too broad. Besides that, it's private beta, show me a question that doesn't have 5 upvotes. ;-)

steelersquirrel

-3

Q: Should The Table of Ranks be used as a reference while reading The Nose?

In The Nose by Nikolai Gogol, Gogol references many times various ranks as had been established in The Table of Ranks. Given this, should The Table of Ranks be used as a reference while reading The Nose? What impact does it have on the understanding of the complete work?

reading-order the-nose the-table-of-ranks nikolai-gogol

That one ^^

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

rekt

steelersquirrel

:P

Napoleon Wilson

I haven't close-voted precisely because there could surely be some general insights gained.

steelersquirrel

16:19

@NapoleonWilson Don't call me Shirley ;)

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel Well, mine doesn't either, I was exaggerating. ;-)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

IMO it's not too broad, there's got to be some general answer regarding linguistic differences

look at the 2 answers already

Skooba

^^ agree

Himarm

your moms to broad?

Bellerophon

@Himarm Can't you at least make an effort to use correct spelling and grammar on a literature site?

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steelersquirrel

16:22

@Himarm That's not my post, silly!

Skooba

@Himarm broad vs broad...... hmmmm

Napoleon Wilson

But DVK makes a good point.

steelersquirrel

@Bellerophon Let's not get too crazy here ;)

DForck42

@Bellerophon wot?

Skooba

@Bellerophon its literature, not ELU

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:23

@Bellerophon it's himarm

what did you seriously expect from him

Skooba

Himarm

im honestly missing what is wrong with my statement

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

at this point I kind of want to VTC that just to reopen it

Himarm

that i posted on an internet chatroom

HDE 226868

Okay, this chat has got to stop it with the memes.

3

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:24

> your moms to broad

should be:

> your mom's too broad

or

HDE 226868

They are not helping or being productive.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

> your mom is too broad

Himarm

you will never see me use an apostrophe or too in chat ever.

Skooba

well we just saw the second

Himarm

as you will never see me capitalize the first letter in any sentence i type

Skooba

16:25

you needed to say "you never see me use to with two O"

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Himarm cough mods pls cough

steelersquirrel

Himarm won't be around chat much longer, anyways now that the meme warning has just been said ;)

SQB

@Himarm your mom's a broad.

Skooba

@HDE226868 bring me a productive conversation and I will gladly participate

HDE 226868

@Skooba I'm serious about this.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:27

@SQB oh snap you just grammatically rekt him

HDE 226868

I'm not going to stand here and watch a private beta chat fall apart within 24 hours of the site's birth.

SQB

@Himarm let me guess, you're an anti-capitalist?

Skooba

~~fall apart~~ reach full potential

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@SQB oh shit SQB is pulling out all the stops on this burnfest

ArtOfCode

HDE's got a point. This is the only part of the site that the public (or even just the network in general) can see while we're in private beta. Let's not make it give everyone a terrible first impression of memes, memes, memes.

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

16:28

true

SQB

@ArtOfCode let's propose meme.se instead.

Himarm

true, you've got good points, but meme's are a better point

Skooba

@Himarm take it to meta

ArtOfCode

@SQB I'm not entirely sure that'd work with the Q&A format, but hey, A51 is there for a reason :)

Skooba

@SQB knowyourmeme.com

we could just rip answers from there :P

ArtOfCode

16:30

No, seriously. The occasional, relevant, tasteful, amusing meme is okay. If I see people overusing memes, I'm gonna be having words with them.

Himarm

are you the official moderator of lit chat? can you make that kind of decision unilaterally?

ArtOfCode

@Himarm I just did :)

steelersquirrel

@ArtOfCode Who decides if it's a relevant, tasteful or amusing meme?

Catija

@Himarm Anyone with a blue name is the "official moderator of chat"... They don't need to be the mod of that site specifically.

2

Skooba

"Or maybe, because we're suddenly having so many conversations through written text, we'll start relying MORE on altered spelling to indicate meaning!" "Wat."

ArtOfCode

16:34

@steelersquirrel common sense does. Failing that, moderators.

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel Common sense.

steelersquirrel

Gotcha.

ArtOfCode

@NapoleonWilson Snap :)

steelersquirrel

Squirrel is out. Have a good day everybody :)

ArtOfCode

o/

DForck42

16:35

oh hey, my obscurus question got closed, and then reopened

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Napoleon Wilson

@steelersquirrel Hmpf. :'(

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

:/ I have enough rep, so I was going to give bounties, but no questions are 2 days old

Ankit Sharma

Did I clicked on mos by mistake O.o

@DForck42 link

Catija

... why does vampire-fiction exist?

b_jonas

16:40

Ankit Sharma

@HDE226868 why not if they don't offend anyone

2

@Catija burn it down

HDE 226868

Memes are
- Not constructive
- Actually offensive, to some folks
- A way to totally derail conversations
This is not a new problem.

b_jonas

@ArtOfCode Can we make a separate chatroom for memes then?

Ankit Sharma

It's chat not the main site

ArtOfCode

@b_jonas if you really want to

Ankit Sharma

16:41

We can be bit fun loving here

Axelrod

ArtOfCode

raises eyebrows

Himarm

@HDE226868 saying meme's are offensive to some folks, makes me respond with not being able to post memes is offensive to even more folks, so moot point

Ankit Sharma

@Himarm meme are office O.o

HDE 226868

@Himarm You've been warned in the past. Most people in this room are aware of past meme problems.

You are not starting with a clean slate here.

Ben N

16:42

FWIW they also take up a whole bunch of screen space relative to the information they convey

Axelrod

People against memes in chat are
-Not constructive
-Actually offensive, to some folks
-A way to totally derail fun
This is not a new problem

2

Ankit Sharma

Occasional meme are fine, problem is mos with meme were due to political offending meme not all memn

ArtOfCode

Okay. We're not having this argument - it's not up for discussion. Memes are not banned. Overuse of memes is annoying, and is liable to get you stern words, a kick, or a suspension, depending on who deals with it and how annoyed you make them.

Napoleon Wilson

@Catija The tag or the genre? ;-)

Axelrod

@AnkitSharma We moved the political memes. They then took down that other room.

Ankit Sharma

16:44

@NapoleonWilson i think tag

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Me too. ;-)

Ankit Sharma

@Axelrod I am also against political meme but joke meme are fine

Skooba

@ArtOfCode VTC. Primarily opinion based.

HDE 226868

This is a site about literature. Not memes.

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Skooba

hence lit memes

HDE 226868

16:45

This is not becoming the next Mos Eisley.

ArtOfCode

Memes are not literature. Ever.

HDE 226868

Y'all want to goof around? Go elsewhere.

DForck42

@HDE226868 yes, the SITE is about lit, chat's a bit more flexable

KutuluMike

div.user-131071 div.ob-image, div.user-131071 div.ob-youtube {
    display: none !important;
}

HDE 226868

But you're not going to appropriate this room for that.

KutuluMike

16:45

^-- you are all welcome

2

Ankit Sharma

Mos even flag pokemon meme so avoid those use cases

DForck42

@HDE226868 or, y'know, you ask a serious question and get an answer here

Axelrod

These things are self-governing.

Skooba

@KutuluMike not the user we deserve, but user we need

ArtOfCode

@Axelrod except when someone steps in and says "no, enough". Like now.

KutuluMike

16:47

also, you'll want: user-134568

Axelrod

@ArtOfCode Which is also when someone like me steps in and says...

The Who - Who Are You?

►

DForck42

@AnkitSharma literature.stackexchange.com/questions/117/…

KutuluMike

resume bickering.

Mithrandir

I find the amount of downvotes I've received today amusing...

Ankit Sharma

@Skooba yeah Dark night

Mithrandir

16:49

I've had 9 downvotes and still earned more than 200 today

DForck42

@Mithrandir how many? I might have dv'd once or twice depending

Axelrod

We're enjoying our new stack with our questions and answers. We are making it happen. By all means, take your troubles elsewhere because there's ample proof that blue actions have a chilling effect and poking Himarm only results in more memes coming out... until you suspend him, which has an even worse chilling effect.

Ankit Sharma

@Mithrandir I got none :D

Ben N

@Mithrandir Heh, on a new site while standards are still being set, upvotes and downvotes will fly :)

Ankit Sharma

Posted nothing either

Himarm

16:49

plus im not even the one spamming memes in here

yall just dragging me through the dirt for no reason

DForck42

@Axelrod we could, yknow, ASK them to please stop, and then ignore them if they get obnxious

Ankit Sharma

@Himarm valid point

Mithrandir

No fighting, it's a new site! Celebrate, don't quibble!

4

Himarm

@HDE226868 plus, meme's are the modern limerick, its literature, "it is the standard form of written communication amongst the youngest generation"

3

Ben N

Per this meta, do we want a ticker or message feed of meta questions?

Himarm

16:51

slam dunk

Ankit Sharma

Mithrandir

NO TICKER

Sorry

For shouting

ArtOfCode

tickers are pretty annoying

I'd be up for a message feed, given that you can ignore those if you don't wanna see them

Ankit Sharma

@BenN message feed

Skooba

@BenN Yes

Axelrod

16:52

@DForck42 Why bother doing that when we can threaten them instead?

Mithrandir

Yes, set up Bookworm.

Ben N

Shall I create the message feed now?

Mithrandir

Yes

HDE 226868

@BenN I'm in favor.

Ankit Sharma

@DForck42 looks fine to me , +1

Feeds

16:53

ArtOfCode has made a change to the feeds posted into this room

Mithrandir

Did we agree on the name of Bookworm?

HDE 226868

Geez.

Ben N

I guess it's retroactive

Hang on, let me clean that up

Mithrandir

Delete that

ArtOfCode

→ 30 messages moved to Trash

Ankit Sharma

16:53

:34884525 your name is set too

now need a dp

DForck42

@Axelrod because threatening, instead of asking/warning, isn't a part of SE's be nice policy

Ben N

Ah, AOC is way ahead of me :)

Axelrod

@DForck42 Well gee, who woulda thunkit?

DForck42

@StackExchange lol, a flood, then disappeared

Ankit Sharma

@BenN but I did named it before him :P

Skooba

16:54

@BenN I posted a meta answer if anyone wants to vote either way on it

ArtOfCode

@AnkitSharma Only because I was grabbing the URL for the avatar :)

Ankit Sharma

k

I see none

chat.stackexchange.com/users/-610/bookworm

:P

DForck42

@AnkitSharma :-D

ArtOfCode

@AnkitSharma you're looking at the wrong feed user

or maybe I am

shrug

oh, yeah, it's me

Ben N

The one currently feeding into the room has the generic feeds image

ArtOfCode

16:57

there we are

Ankit Sharma

@ArtOfCode :P

ArtOfCode

I changed the Stack Exchange feed user over by mistake, ID -2... that could have been interesting

Ben N

Very nice

Ankit Sharma

@ArtOfCode wow

@ArtOfCode boring dp, pick something interesting

ArtOfCode

@AnkitSharma what's wrong with having the avatar make it clear what the bot's for?

Himarm

17:01

are we calling it bookworm

call it bookworm

Ben N

It is named Bookworm, yep :)

Skooba

it appears we are

let "literature is not just books" come forth :P

Ankit Sharma

@Himarm yup

DForck42

@Skooba lol

I think I said exactly that in a comment

Ankit Sharma

Bookworm is final, else face my wrath

2

Skooba

17:04

@DForck42 most likely, i have seen similar sentiments since area 51

Axelrod

@AnkitSharma Quickly, choose a different name. I suggest Belle.

Belle and her books.

Ankit Sharma

ewwwwwwwwwwww

Axelrod

So different from the rest of us.

Skooba

4

Axelrod

I snorted coffee.

Oh god.

Ankit Sharma

17:05

ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

Skooba

@Axelrod like on purpose, or from laughing?

Ankit Sharma

later will make me ewwww more

Axelrod

@Skooba Laughing.

DForck42

@Skooba this... this is a good use of a meme...

HDE 226868

Has anyone here read Dostoevsky's The Idiot?

Skooba

17:06

@DForck42 i have yet to find a bad use. :P

Axelrod

I mean, it's a step up from a spit take, since I don't have to clean up my computer, but...

@HDE226868 Long ago in a distant land. <puts it on re-read list>

Ankit Sharma

@DForck42 That's why I hate the no meme rule

Himarm

16 mins ago, by Himarm

@HDE226868 plus, meme's are the modern limerick, its literature, "it is the standard form of written communication amongst the youngest generation"

Ankit Sharma

No meme rule = no fun rule

5

Himarm

its lit, ontopic

HDE 226868

17:08

Can we move away from the meme discussion(s)?

Skooba

yes we are limited to printed, physical works

Ankit Sharma

Lets talk about kiwis

DForck42

@AnkitSharma the fruit or the animal?

Ankit Sharma

fruit

Skooba

@HDE226868 Do you have another ~~target~~ topic, a ~~military target~~ relevant topic, then name the ~~system~~ work.

@DForck42 the people

HDE 226868

17:10

@Skooba Russian literature. Dostoevsky.

Ankit Sharma

Kiwi is official fruit of the screening room and now here too

Axelrod

@AnkitSharma People from New Zealand?

HDE 226868

19th century, preferably, but my knowledge of it is rather slim.

Skooba

@AnkitSharma i vote no

TrojanByAccident

Everything on SE is licensed under CC-BY, right?

DForck42

17:11

@Skooba so the animal, got it ;-)

Ankit Sharma

@Skooba I vote to ignore you :P

Napoleon Wilson

@TrojanByAccident Generally: yes. Specifically: What do you mean with "Everything"?

Skooba

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TrojanByAccident

I'm not even sure attribution is really required. Afterall, all those Area51 questions have is a title stub without any content. — Christian Rau 2 hours ago

HDE 226868

Let me rephrase: memeless Dostoevsky.

Skooba

17:12

@AnkitSharma :(

Axelrod

@Skooba Agreed. The Literature official fruit shouldn't be the same... and the Screening Room official fruit should be Spam and Eggs.

Napoleon Wilson

@TrojanByAccident Oh, so the Area51 suggestions then. I don't know. But you can always rephrase the title anyway. As said, they're just stubs afterall.

Skooba

@Axelrod if we need an official fruit for literature I would propose the apple.

Axelrod

@Skooba I find that acceptable and thoroughly backed in the medium.

Ankit Sharma

@Skooba apple ---> newton--> science .

Skooba

17:13

that way our friend bookworm has something to eat

Ankit Sharma

no

HDE 226868

Notes from the Underground is also a possibility.

TrojanByAccident

@NapoleonWilson I thought I remembered reading something that even if they're just a stub, you have to give attribution to the original poster

Ankit Sharma

Bookworm is green like kiwi and beautiful like kiwi

Napoleon Wilson

@TrojanByAccident Hmm, if you use their words, I could understand that.

Ankit Sharma

17:14

@Axelrod better we avoid muddy jokes, they never go well with either side

Himarm

but you always see worms in apples

perfect

site logo

Ankit Sharma

An apple a day keeps doctor away, so we will be ignoring a whole set of community

Skooba

@AnkitSharma apple >>> teachers >>> books == yes

Ankit Sharma

We don't want to make this site anti-doctor site

Doctors can be good literature enthusiasts too

Himarm

doctors are to busy saving people

they aint got time for this

Ankit Sharma

17:17

Give then chance

Skooba

MD.SE

tagline... WebMD, but good.

Ankit Sharma

Skooba

@AnkitSharma flag

Ankit Sharma

Apple don't look this awesome

@Skooba flagging mod is useless :p

DForck42

btw, I strongly urge flagging anything that belongs in a meta discussion as obsolete if there's a link to said meta discussion

i just flagged 5 comments to clean up my obscurus question

Skooba

17:20

@AnkitSharma that looks a certain place with shot gun pellets embedded in it.

Rand al'Thor

@steelersquirrel Yes, because it turned out to be a duplicate of the Biblical Hermeneutics main chatroom name.

Napoleon Wilson

Ah, right, I saw that comment.

DForck42

@Randal'Thor ahh

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Randal'Thor ..... is that a site

is that "christianity"?

Rand al'Thor

Shog9

17:21

hermeneutics

Noun: hermeneutics ‎(uncountable)

The study or theory of the methodical interpretation of text, especially holy texts.
1885, Thomas Seccombe, Saunders, Richard (1613-1687?), article in Dictionary of National Biography, 1885-1900, Volume 50,
SAUNDERS or SANDERS, RICHARD (1613–1687?), astrologer, a native of Warwickshire, was born in 1613, commenced the study of hermeneutics about 1647, and practised astrology and cheiromancy during the golden age of the pseudo-sciences in England.
1885, Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (original translators and editors), Arthur Cleveland Coxe (editor of American edition), Philip Schaff (also credited as editor), Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers: Series I,
I have included in this volume the four books of St. Augustin On Christian Doctrine. It is the first and best patristic work on biblical Hermeneutics, and continued for a thousand years, together with the Prefaces of Jerome, to be the chief exegetical guide. Although it is superseded as a scientific work by modern Hermeneutics and Critical Introductions to the Old and New Testaments, it is not …

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

woah

cool

Ben N

Christianity and Biblical Hermeneutics are different

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

triple ninja

@Shog9 yeah, I know what that is, just didn't know there was a site of it

Napoleon Wilson

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No, apparently there's a difference.

Ankit Sharma

uhuuunnn ninja bragging here too

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

17:22

apparently

@AnkitSharma that's 4 ninjas methinks

Skooba

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ hey fyi. ther is a difference between those

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

lol

Himarm

had to take a hermeneutics class in college

super dull

Rand al'Thor

@HDE I think I found the original (UPenn) source for that claim about Jack London: literature.stackexchange.com/a/27/17

HDE 226868

@Randal'Thor Nice. I'll take a look in a short while. Lunch calls.

Rand al'Thor

17:28

Bon appetit!

Axelrod

17:42

@AnkitSharma Muddy? It's Monty Python!

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ English Language and Use is one stack, but Christianity is divided into use and study, effectively.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

ah okay

Axelrod

Even though they both have questions about both.

Ankit Sharma

@Axelrod I mean avoid making jokes on other sites, learn from mos's past.

Axelrod

@AnkitSharma -_- your concern is more concerning than what you're concerned about.

DForck42

@Axelrod I'm concerned

Ankit Sharma

17:47

@Axelrod there is no scope for more concern now, have some kiwis instead

Axelrod

@DForck42 I'm concerned about your concern.

Mithrandir

Tacos

Axelrod

@AnkitSharma Never. Because the kiwi is the least referenced fruit in literature.

Rand al'Thor

@Emrakul Following on from the last paragraph of your meta answer ... reminder to post this example question on the main site :-) It's a good one, and I'd like to see it here.

Ankit Sharma

@Mithrandir tacos=mos, no

Axelrod

17:48

I will eat my dragonfruit and you'll just have to deal with it.

Mithrandir

Falafel

Ankit Sharma

dragonfruit are fine, better then taco or apple

Rand al'Thor

Why not stop arguing about what food to talk about and just talk about food?

Or, better, about literature.

Axelrod

Just look at it. It's the fruit personification of a new stack.

Mithrandir

I have another Naria question ready for tomorrow

Rand al'Thor

17:49

@Mithrandir Great!

I have at least two or three questions ready too.

Mithrandir

And possibly another t39c one! As aell

Axelrod

@Randal'Thor Why not stop arguing about arguing about fruit that isn't actually happening and present a cook book? Or is that not considered literature?

Rand al'Thor

But for now, I have to go again.

Mithrandir

Dry

Ankit Sharma

@Randal'Thor bleh

DForck42

17:50

@Mithrandir are tastey

Rand al'Thor

@AnkitSharma @bleh?

Mithrandir

O_o swupo

Ankit Sharma

bleh

Interjection: bleh

(slang) A word used in conversation to reflect general indifference to a situation or object of conversation.
What did you think of the movie?" "Bleh, poopy. You?"
(slang) An expression of mild disgust, possible imitative of vomiting

Adjective: bleh ‎(comparative more bleh, superlative most bleh)

(slang) Mildly uncomfortable; not good.
I'm feeling a bit bleh....

Napoleon Wilson

@AnkitSharma Without the space.

DForck42

@Axelrod silly, most of literature is about arguing about literature

3

Mithrandir

17:51

Napoleon Wilson

Besides that, cookbooks are about to be on-topic. ;-)

2

Axelrod

@DForck42 This... is true.

Mithrandir

I have settled the fruit argument

Axelrod

There's been more written drama about Hemingway than all of his works combined.

DForck42

@NapoleonWilson I'm waiting for the first question about a cook book, tbh

Ankit Sharma

17:52

@Mithrandir I am having chocolates now, deal with it

Napoleon Wilson

@DForck42 Well, we have movie companions already? ;-)

DForck42

@NapoleonWilson :-D

Ankit Sharma

@Catija can assist us with cook-boook literature

Axelrod

@Mithrandir A sock full of oranges. You wish us ill without leaving a bruise?

JNat

I went to Dublin recently, and a local told me about "the greatest book ever written:" The third policeman, by Flann O'Brien. I bought it, but haven't read it yet and was wondering if anyone else ever read it and agrees with that person's probably hyperbolic remark about the book? :P

Skooba

17:58

@Axelrod bright and attractibe on the outside? boring and dead on the inside?

Shog9

dead? Look at all those seeds. Packed with life, just waiting for the right conditions...

Axelrod

@Skooba I was thinking more along the lines of "frightening and unappealing, but with good taste".

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