Game Development

mesh.Vertices [j].Position = normal * 0.5f * (float)Thickness + curvePoints[j];
mesh.Vertices [j].Color = new Vector4(1,0,0,1);

mesh.Vertices [j+1].Position = -normal * 0.5f * (float)Thickness + curvePoints[j];
mesh.Vertices [j+1].Color = new Vector4(1,1,0,1);

like that

it's basically a triangle strip, the other side is red and the other is yellow

Jon

cool

Tordin

11:58 AM

Random question here, Lets say i have a sphere i worldspace, and i want to transform the radius to ScreenSpace, It would be just to do the WorldToScreen transformation aswell with the radius?

Since if i have the radius of 0.5 i could just do a vector like ( 0.5f, 0.0f, 0.0f, 1.0f ) * WorldToScreenTransformation

that should gain the same result right?

radical

with a perspective camera, the screenSpace radius would differ based on its position(center of the sphere) relative to the camera..

Tordin

thats true.

well, in this case it dont matter.

well, wait, maybe it will actualy

radical

and for some cameras the sphere might not be uniform, um example, i imagine, near the edges of the view, .. so, the radius in screen space will differ depending on which direction you are measuring.. hm

brb

Tordin

Yeah, thats true.

Completley forgot about that

good that i talked it over

Alex M.

wasted 1+ hours trying to debug why the hell the ads won't show up and the IAP store wasn't working properly

turns out the wifi wasn't working

DAMNIT

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

12:13 PM

pats Alex M on the head

radical

back

Alex M.

if you open up my profile now, you will see I'm using my Identicon

a rare sight

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I thought that was a gravatar.

Alex M.

the gravatar is user defined

the identicon is something generated by some sort of algo

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Funky

Jon

12:39 PM

radical

Alex M.

12:56 PM

status.bitbucket.org I wonder why the Hg response time is so low

Lasse

I managed to optimize that pretty good

radical

heh cool :)

Jon

Very nice

Lasse

recording that gif took some resources and lowered the fps, but the decrease is really little

Almo

dogecoin. such anonymous. so blockchain.

Alex M.

1:11 PM

did you see the coinye west?

Almo

I did not

Alex M.

afaik it got shut down (obvious why)

Almo

what was it?

Alex M.

crypto currency making fun of kanye west

Almo

ha

must have been funny

Alex M.

1:20 PM

theverge.com/2014/1/10/5295956/…

Almo

that's fucked up

obviously "parody" which is stringently protected by the 1st amendment

BlueBug

does anyone play DarkSouls here?

Almo

!me

BlueBug

why did u keep playing the game? the game is too punishing. From what I learn in school, the game seems supposed to be a complete failure.

Almo

I did not play it

"!" means "not" in programming

sorry

but I do play extremely punishing games

so that may not have put me off

Alex M.

1:32 PM

@BlueBug different people find satisfaction in different ways while playing

BlueBug

you trickery AlmoKun.

Almo

like my wife won't play something if she doesn't feel challenged within about 5 minutes

she played coop Dead Nation all the way through with me on a hard setting, but absolutely hated Castle Crashers.

BlueBug

a wife who plays video game with her husband? oh my. That's my dream.

Almo

heh well, she stopped about a year ago. still plays board games with me though

Alex M.

I normally don't feel like playing challenging games unless they are obviously fair

Dark Souls is an example of a fair game

Almo

1:34 PM

"video games aren't social enough"

Alex M.

if you ever lose, you lose because you suck

not because the game hates you

Almo

yeah I won't touch shit like "I wanna be the guy"

BlueBug

@AlexM. so do you like/played DarkSouls? if not any other game you felt punishing but fair?

Alex M.

baldur's gate

let me remember some more

gorky 17

Almo

Dead Nation is punishing but fair (on its harder levels, except maybe for the slicy guys)
Stealth Inc A Clone in the Dark (recommended)
Commando (original arcade version, not some NES knockoff)

Alex M.

1:42 PM

F.E.A.R. with the difficulty maxed out

the Commandos series

Almo

NOT fucking R-Type. I decided to go through that game some time in about 2002, and quit at level 4. It's mostly memorization of cheap spawn patterns.

Alex M.

Re-Volt is a very difficult arcade racer

Almo

Wipeout series qualifies as punishing but fair. learning the controls is really hard.

Alex M.

yup

also DethKarz

@Almo the dev behind Dark Souls argues that when the controls make the game difficult, you failed in making a fair game

also I forgot the king of difficult but fair RPGs

Gothic 1

Almo

If I remmeber right, I got all gold on 2nd difficulty (Vector) on Wipeout 3. that took some work. 8 tracks, 8 ships 1st place for 64 golds.

@AlexM. I don't agree at all.

Defender is a prime example.

BlueBug

1:46 PM

so mostly action games with strategy elements.

Almo

when you learn those controls you are god

Alex M.

@BlueBug I play mostly RPGs and FPSes

I am sure others can give better examples

@Almo I kinda do

Almo

what's unfair is when you fail over and over due to things you could not have dealt with unless you knew they were coming

so you step through bit by bit memorizing everything.

Alex M.

technical details such as control schemes shouldn't handicap the player

Almo

that's unfair.

control schemes are not "Technical details." In a game like defender or Wipeout, the controls ARE the game

mastering the controls is what you do

I can see that some people would not want to invest their time in learning a control system, and game designers should be aware of the difference between games that require control-learning and those that don't

Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle-Cars is a prime example. Great game, but its long difficulty curve is due to the time it takes to master controlling your car. Since you're just bouncing a ball in a goal, there's nothing mysterious about what to do, but learning to do it well takes forever.

well those are my opinions anyway. :)

Alex M.

1:56 PM

makes sense for some games I guess

Almo

Well, it certainly wouldn't make sense for an RPG. those games aren't about learning controls

Or Rez where you want the player to melt into the game

from Supersonice A.... (SARPBC) here's me playing

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And here's one of the developers scoring an amazing goal:

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(viewed from 3 angles)

the game is simple and accessible, but possesses long-term depth due to its control scheme and physics realization.

Alex M.

mad max meets footbal

looks good

Almo

yeah it's really fun

no advertizing, PSN exclusive, paid for its development and several extra maps

came out 2008, still people playing it online

it's my pick for best game of the year 2008. and I know GTA IV came out that year. :)

the single player campaign is 20 challenges that bring you through the complexities of the controls and physics

very well-designed

also:

it's not the game it was meant to be

Alex M.

why would GTA IV be GOTY

Almo

production values

Alex M.

2:03 PM

I liked it but hardly liked it like a GOTY material

Almo

acting, story, animation, technology

usual shit the press likes

the guys who made SARPBC made Unreal 2004's Onslaught mode.

they are making a game where you had cars with weapons and tried to shoot each other out of hte arena for points

they were almost done

and made a mini-game called SocCar. They realized it was the real game, and dropped the other one.

looking at the pre-release dev vids before it even had a hud or a goal-score detector, you could see they loved to play and it was fun as hell already.

that is my ultimate quest in game-making: the super fun game that's fun BEFORE it's polished.

BlueBug

I think that's more of case for sandbox games; being "fun" with just mechanics.

*and action games.

Almo

certainly not the case for anything focusing on a story

Alex M.

E.Y.E. was a good example of a fun but unpolished game

technically, it didn't even have an ending lol

I mean it was intended to be an infinite loop of a story

but nobody mentioned that in the game

and the end would just be you starting again, without any explanation

Almo

heh

Jon

2:16 PM

That's because you didn't play it with developer commentary on.

Alex M.

not sure that would make it more polished

it's like wiki-ing for the ending's meaning but instead of using the browser you use the game

"oh hey, we didn't add a proper ending, but here, listen to us while we explain it"

also developer commentaries ruin immersion

Alex M.

2:27 PM

@ShotgunNinja neat!

Almo

3:30 PM

ok wtf. got a namespace, Pandem. In it, is Pandem::MAX_PLAYER_NAME_LENGTH.

this is referenced in some files, and works.

in another file, it says it's undefined

further down the file is:
Pandem::Role::Enum TeamSlotRole(int index) { return teamSlotRole[index]; }

so Pandem:: seems to be available...

hmm

maybe it's defined in a part that's not included here.

ah that's it :)

user4704

4:22 PM

;)

Jon

I had a dream last night, about zombies. If they drank Pine Sol they were cured.

So weird. I looked up a bottle today, and it says in the front "Disinfects"

user4704

Did you try it yourself?

Jon

My brain is really weird.

I haven't tried it.. but if I were to turn into a zombie it would be worth a shot

concept3d

hey

Is @JoshPetrie being aggressive in closing the questions : )

user4704

What do you think I was too aggressive with?

concept3d

4:35 PM

maybe I chose the word poorly.

Yes I agree, all you closed are poor questions. But some could be edited or given a chance to be clarified

user4704

I didn't delete them.

user4704

I only closed them (put them on hold). Precisely so they can be edited or clarified.

Almo

why not?!?

EXTERMINATE

;)

user4704

That's why the "on hold" update to the site software existed.

Almo

that was a good idea, whoever had it

concept3d

4:39 PM

ya, you are right

Grey

@Almo and then david tennant appeared as the new doktor

John McDonald

@Almo EXPLAIN!

Almo

:D

user4704

The problem with leaving those questions open and letting them be edited/clarified is that people will still post answers even if the question is totally inappropriate to the site.

Almo

the pedantic Daleks

user4704

4:40 PM

Then, when the question is finally edited, those answers are now invalid.

Almo

EXPLAININATE!

Jon

Not enough XP.

Grey

@Almo WE are the PEDANTIKS

Almo

heh

user4704

This hurts the usability of the site for future visitors and also tends to result in a loss of reputation for the users who answered (even though they shouldn't have, they did it in good faith) when late users come along weeks later, see the BS answer and go "wtf, this is a bad answer it doesn't even address the issue."

user4704

4:41 PM

I check the reopen queue and the comments of most questions I close unilaterally like that to see if the requisite follow-up has been given.

Grey

Politics.

concept3d

I don't believe this was opinion based gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/68817/…

eventhough most people might not agree with me

user4704

You're probably right, but it was still too broad.

concept3d

yes I agree with being too broad

Grey

@ChristianCarega Legrande is an in house CLI I'm building to interface with bitbucket, and later on github. Still working on v1

user4704

4:44 PM

I tried to re-open and re-close it but it's giving me an error.

Grey

4:57 PM

; - ; if its a mod tool I cant help

UNLESS I become your sidekick

and I get to close questions

and give myself free rep

on the daily.

@AlexM. What happened to the avatar

Alex M.

I changed it yesterday but in the end I didn't like it

and had to switch to this one until I find a new one

otherwise my balance will be off

Grey

let me pick

Requirements: Must be animu

Alex M.

as expected of grey kohai

in the meantime, beautiful indie game soundtrack drop

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Grey

fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/346/b/8/… THIS

Alex M.

that's ugly and deformed

Grey

5:04 PM

ehuhue

@AlexM. Orichimaru avatar.

Alex M.

also this one

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user4704

@Grey You can vote to close questions if you get enough reputation.

Grey

Its happening.

VIVA LE REVOLUTION.

@JoshPetrie Good to know. One day. I shall get more rep. One day.

@AlexM. Found ur avatar

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm starting to think ASM is beyond my skills. :(

Alex M.

why so?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

5:16 PM

I can't get it to do what I need.

I'm close I think. But it's still not quite right.

Jon

lol... haven't done ASM in like 10 years.

Alex M.

just practice more, it's not the easiest way to program

Jon

It is great if you are coding NES games, or integrated circuits.

But if you are making a game, you are crazy.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Well, doing it inside some other process isn't making it easier. :P

Alex M.

actually, once you get to know it, it sort of is the easiest way to program

Lasse

5:17 PM

make pong with asm

Alex M.

because there are so few things you can do

and it's all about combining it all

it's just that combining them takes forever

Grey

rage

Lasse

@AlexM. it's not the fastest though

Grey

:((

Lasse

I'm too slow :(

Alex M.

5:18 PM

@Lasse yeah, mentioned it too :D

Jon

I wrote tictactoe with AI in ASM

I still have the source somewhere.

320x200x256 with mouse support :)

Lasse

I made my first game with qbasic

Jon

Mine was Java i think.

Chess game

Lasse

it was about managing exhibition dog

first you pushed up the beauty stat of the dog and then went to exhibition and won some prize and then pushed the stat up again

with the prize money

Jon

lol.

Lasse

5:22 PM

then I made second part of the game, which had nice PCX graphcis and it worked on windows. Did it with darkbasic

Jon

pics or it never happened.

Lasse

lol it's like 15 years

the distribution exe got infected by virus at some point too

Alex M.

run it on your PC

or it never happened

Lasse

the game mechanics didn't change at all

I don't think it would run on linux, even with wine

Grey

@Jon GizMo Chess?

Or like a gizzard

and chess

Jon

5:24 PM

Gizmo Chess.

Grey

"Giz.moo.chess"

Jon

I owned GizmoCoder.com back then.

found my tictactoe game.. hehehe

pure ASM

Lasse

nice

Alex M.

you also need a DX11 capable gpu for that

Grey

@AlexM. :-(

next gen 2d

Lasse

5:28 PM

that looks like it would at some point say "to win you must not play" or something, I don't remember the quote

Jon

Make him play tic tac toe against himself! Just do it!!!

Computer: "I cannot win. The best move is to not play"

Lasse

That's it

user4704

"The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"

user4704

It's from War Games.

user4704

When Joshua plays Global Thermonuclear War.

Jon

5:30 PM

Thermonuclear war

Lasse

I didn't remember the name of the movie, otherwise I would have googled up the quote

user4704

Great film. Had a terrible-looking sequel that I have not watched.

Jon

Ever watch D.A.R.Y.L?

user4704

Not that I recall.

Jon

"Daryl" (an acronym for "Data-Analysing Robot Youth Lifeform")

He was the ultimate gamer

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Grey

5:34 PM

lol

user4704

The Wizard is the best movie ever.

Jon

Another great one is "The Last Starfighter"

The best gamers are recruited to fight real life aliens in space.

The Wizard was a extra long Nintendo Commercial

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Lasse

If you ever get really bored, this page is the best direction to amusement: imdb.com/chart/bottom

Jon

lol

Grey

techcrunch.com/2014/01/13/booth-babes-dont-convert

user4704

5:47 PM

@Jon Yes. And yes about the Wizard too. It's still awesome.

Jon

yes, it was :) Lucas, the baddass and his powerglove.

user4704

I want to be him for a Halloween party one year.

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