Game Development

Grey

6:06 PM

How does OAuth work?

Alex M.

@ShotgunNinja asked them to let me give the engine a spin, replied in less than 10 mins

fuck exams, this is more intriguing

Almo

@Jon awesome.

user4704

@Grey Gerbils with top hats.

Grey

All my questions have been answered.

user4704

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Q: On a high level, how does OAuth 2 work?

As I understand it, the following chain of events occurs in OAuth 2 in order for Site A to access User X's information on Site B. Site A registers with Site B, and obtains a Secret and an ID. When User X tells Site A to access Site B, User X is sent to Site B where it tells Site B that he would...

oauth-2.0

Grey

6:18 PM

I found a good article that explained it to me.

It's just a bunch of apps talking to each other and the user giving a certain app permission to access its information.

Alex M.

random furniture

man we really need extra artists

it took us 3 weeks to get this wtf

Jon

lol

user4704

Could have just gone to Ikea.

Alex M.

lol

with the identicon and all, now I look at my messages here and think @William'MindWorX'Mariager posted them

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe

Alex M.

6:35 PM

well, a 12MB .exe with no installation gets you a fully capable engine

I can't say I don't like that

Jon

ah, you are trying out the GoDot engine?

What can you publish to?

Alex M.

yeah

Windows, Linux, iOS, Android, BlackBerry, X360, Wii and PS3 IIRC

Jon

yeah, looking at it now

Alex M.

it's sort of better than Unity

because you can run it on Linux

Jon

what do you code in C#?

Alex M.

6:39 PM

and it's open source

Almo

I don't code anything in C# since leaving Autodesk.

Alex M.

nope, in an own Lua-like language

Almo

though I was working with javascript when I left...

Jon

interesting.

Lasse

haha I just optimized my bezier curve code even further

I made the resolution really high, 80k (where 80 is acceptable quality, so it 1000 times that) and the FPS got from 35 to 49

that's huge improvement

this is so much fun, I should go sleep but I just can't

Grey

6:45 PM

@AlexM. r it on windows

Alex M.

what?

Grey

It must be.

Looked at the screenshot.

Alex M.

yeah

it runs on mac, win and linux

Grey

k

Alex M.

@Grey found one myself

PC Gamer
Steam has launched an experimental VR mode for lucky Oculus owners: http://bit.ly/1akhbT1

Godot has a nice way to do GUIs, that reminds me of Visual Studio's designer

wish Unity had it too

I wish it had a better name

Godot just doesn't scream "mainstream"

Unity on the other hand...

Almo

7:02 PM

Godot makes it sound like a gag engine. Like, it will never be finished because you're still waiting for it. (reference to "Waiting for Godot")

I expected to find a joke when I clicked the link.

Grey

@AlexM. GoDotNET

tells me that

they are secretly allied forces with .NET

Almo

maybe someone who knows how reflection in Java works can explain this one to me: thecodelesscode.com/case/97

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

.NET FOREVER!

<3 .NET

Grey

that's when William got thrown out

Lasse

@Almo I have no idea about Java's reflection, but that sounds similar to killing a fly with a nuke and missing the target by 100 meters

Almo

7:08 PM

it seems important somehow that the objects are "nearly the same" and the master misses a candle, the one he blows from.

like using that method would be error prone

John McDonald

Overkill. Yup

Alex M.

you'd think a programmer's story would be more to the point

Almo

not at the site, alex.

Grey

2 legged Oauth

Almo

so it's overkill. why is reflection overkill in that case, and does the master missing one have significance?

sometimes these things (at that site) are quite subtle in their construction

just trying to learn what I can from the story

I'm hindered in some places by my lack of knowledge of Java

user4704

7:12 PM

I believe the point is that reflection was the wrong tool for the job (by virtue of being too heavy-handed) and that even such an approach can have simple pitfalls.

Almo

ok

makes sense

thanks

Alex M.

inb4 a metaphor for why you shouldn't use singletons

user4704

Reflection is heavily string-based, for example, so it would be easy to miss a property in the copy code or for new properties to not get picked up by them.

user4704

or for misspellings to render the whole thing broken in a fashion that did not fail as soon as it could (at compile time)

Almo

that part seems to explain the missed candle

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:18 PM

.NET is awesome

I think... I think I finally made it!

fasm.AddLine("use32");
fasm.AddLine("pop ebx");
fasm.AddLine("push ecx");
fasm.AddLine("push edx");
fasm.AddLine("call {0}", original);
fasm.AddLine("add esp, 8");
fasm.AddLine("push ebx");
fasm.AddLine("retn");

Translates a __fastcall(a1,a2,a3) into a __cdecl(a1,a2,a3)

Now I just need to confirm that anything I return in the call is in eax.

user4704

Then support __vectorcall!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Sounds complex. :P

And I just need this to work within Warcraft III. :P

Alex M.

a true (tm) developer thinks he needs it to work with Warcraft 1 too

while running it in a html5 canvas

in the oldest version of Netscape

on Windows 95

be sure to support __ambulancecall before attempting it though

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Wooo! EAX holds my return value!

Now I just need to call the original __fastcall function and I have a fully working hook. :D

And calling __fastcall is easy enough. :D

At least... The last time it was. :P

Alex M.

still, to this day

I have no idea what it is that you are actually doing

I only know you're doing something to War3

looks cool though

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:27 PM

Hehe

Alex M.

uh

tell me what it is that you're doing thou

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Right now, I'm attempting to hook a __fastcall function. Said function initializes all internal classes, what they inherit from, their size and some more information. This means, with a successful hook, I get a ton of valuable information.

Alex M.

yeah but what's the end goal

you mentioned modding

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Problem is, C# doesn't support the fastcall convention, so I need to handwrite the wrapper.

Alex M.

sometime ago

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:29 PM

Yeah, people are using it to mod WC3.

A long time ago, I made a Warcraft III map that could have more than the max amount of players.

And a FPS demo

Stuff the game normally can't do very well or at all.

The idea is to provide a much more powerful modding API for Warcraft III, which is still actively being modded. :)

Lasse

I remember some 3rd person shooter map

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah, but the controls were no where near as smooth as what I made. :P

Lasse

yeah in that one you had to click on the ground to move

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Now I don't know if the modding API will really get used, but people are interested, and I'm learning a bunch of things. :)

Lasse

and the camera did not turn really well

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

7:32 PM

I also made an in-game IRC client.

Lasse

here's my 10mb gif of my final optimized sausage rendering engine: dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/27198869/Screenshots/…

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

And someone used the new API to make a chat client for the modding sites webchat.

Alex M.

so in short

you raped the shit out of war3

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah

I made stuff dynamic that was normally static.

You can actively change the internals of abilities/units/objects, which was normally a design-time thing

It's even done in a way so the game understands it. I'm using the games own memory allocator, which means it's cleaned up automatically by the game.

Alex M.

I have donuts

glazed donuts with chocolate flakes

I remember we had a discussion here about the difference between our donuts

and the donuts in the US

main thing was ours ain't torus shaped

Almo

7:40 PM

I want vanilla cake donuts with frosting and sprinkles. but they don't make them here in Canada. >:(

Alex M.

#instagram #2food4u

Noctrine

I need more caffeine in my life

Almo

i have some dogecoins now

:)

user4704

...why?

Alex M.

@Almo dogecoins are useless if you can't buy donuts with them

Almo

7:41 PM

i plan to use them to make fun of bitcoin supporters somehow.

Lasse

I prefer to use my gpu time for rendering my sausages instead of dogecoins

Almo

I can't do GPU mining; too old

so I use 4 CPU threads, and only on occasion

well, maybe I had something configured wrong

whatever; I'm not into it in a serious way :)

Alex M.

that's what they all say

and before they know it

they become dogecoiners

and kill others for their dogecoins

Almo

I have an interest in Bitcoin just because I've read most of this discussion about it:forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=210667

that's at a skeptic forum

some people really believe in bitcoin and fiercely defend it against any implication it may have been created as a clever scam.

Lasse

I've interviewed randi for a radio podcast

Almo

7:45 PM

:D

he's an interesting guy

Lasse

yes he is

Almo

saw him in person once... he did a card trick... holy fucking shit.

mysterious as hell man

no fucking clue how he did it.

Lasse

that's how the tricks work

Almo

when they're good, yeah

Lasse

I'm off to bed

Alex M.

8:21 PM

soo

what's up

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Soo close now!

All that's left is balancing the stack I think.

Alex M.

you make me want to asm

Almo

LDA $DC00

Grey

ALEX IS GOING TO DO ASM

by spending 6 months learning how to abc

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

8:38 PM

Bah

So close. Stack is balanced and everything.

Perhaps I'm overwriting something I shouldn't.

No clue how I'm going to debug it.

Grey

Im still oauthing

John McDonald

@William'MindWorX'Mariager You're not using IDA?

(note: I know nothing about this, except what I hear from my brother)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I have IDA, but it's a bit clunky. Using mostly Cheat Engine atm.

I use IDA a lot. It's a wonderful tool.

John McDonald

yeah. I know my brother likes it, but tells me that other tools (I want to say Cheat Engine) are better at some things

Either that, or he uses his own tools

Nerdy website, :p

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Very nerdy. :P

Perhaps he knows what I'm doing wrong? :D

Though, I hardly know what I'm doing.

Hmm

Why am I even using the EasyHook hooking API for this? I have no idea what it does behind the scenes. I should just install a tailored hook instead.

EasyHook is for generic hooking.

Alex M.

8:50 PM

what I think about everytime you mention hooking

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Heh

John McDonald

ic

It's actually a technically accurate term

Hooking

In computer programming, the term hooking covers a range of techniques used to alter or augment the behavior of an operating system, of applications, or of other software components by intercepting function calls or messages or events passed between software components. Code that handles such intercepted function calls, events or messages is called a "hook". Hooking is used for many purposes, including debugging and extending functionality. Examples might include intercepting keyboard or mouse event messages before they reach an application, or intercepting operating system calls in order...

Alex M.

is the detection of hooks called peter panning?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I use Hook for something that intercepts a call and Callback for something that reacts to a call without the ability to manipulate the flow.

So a hook is much more powerful than a callback.

Anyways, it's late. Custom detour is what I'm going to try tomorrow. Nightie good sirs!

John McDonald

'night

Alex M.

8:53 PM

nite

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Waaiit a minute...

I just realized I've wasted a couple of days on idiocy.

Almo

awesome

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

IDAPro supports special breakpoints which can read out registers. This means I could just read out the information in a special breakpoint in IDA which I've done before.

God I suck...

Now I know the goal tomorrow. :P

Almo

not suck. just overlooked something

happens :)

Alex M.

happens to me too

difference is

Almo

8:57 PM

see you folks; drive home time

Alex M.

I'm not able to go to sleep afterwards

John McDonald

@AlexM. Agreed

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hehe, I'm usually the same, but I'm going to be completely useless in school if I don't get my sleep. :P

And I really want to do well in school.

Anyways, yeah, nightie. :P

Grey

9:09 PM

Okay to the oauth experts in le chat, how do I get a verification code, without human intervention(for confirmation)

I'm using RestSharp but I'm not sure if it has some sort of capability that will allow me to do that.

John McDonald

I would use a OAuth library

Grey

RestSharp has OAuth stuff

github.com/restsharp/RestSharp/blob/master/…

This is the example I'm going off of.

John McDonald

Looks like that code is doing it manually

Here's my OAuth for LikeClockwork: bitbucket.org/jcpmcdonald/like-clockwork/src/…

Note that it's like 4 lines:

$openid = new LightOpenID($serverName);
$openid->identity = 'https://www.google.com/accounts/o8/id';
$openid->required = array('contact/email');
header('Location: ' . $openid->authUrl());

After that, I do: if(isValidated){ getEmail, createAccont, goBack }

In other words, look for a RestSharp OAuth library, :)

Pip

@AlexM. I may or may not have played through act 1....

@nathan Python FTW!!!!

Alex M.

@Pip that was unexpected

Grey

9:17 PM

@JohnMcDonald RestSharp already handles it ; _ ;

Alex M.

well, Katawa was made with Ren'Py

which is Python

Grey

They just don't have a way to get stuff from le call back ;_ ;

Pip

@AndrewSerff I got the beta invite too, going to go get it at some point

Alex M.

so I guess it sort of makes sense

Grey

at least I don't think so.

Pip

9:17 PM

@AlexM. I know :D I read the game specs before I played

Alex M.

I finished it once, got a neutral ending, didn't bother again

John McDonald

@Grey Well, what I'm seeing is RestRequests, which is just REST, not OAuth-specific.

Pip

@AlexM. mhmm

Grey

"The Wolf Among Us" episode 2 releases first week of February! More info here http://bit.ly/1m1ixXK

Tweeted by kevbru on January 14, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Pip

I just played through act one

Grey

9:18 PM

@JohnMcDonald OAuthAuthenticator

Alex M.

@Pip play it some more

just be sure to disable adult content in the menu

even though it's kinda... lite

I mean kids should be taught about that stuff

or at least games with that stuff be made 12+

actually, why are games with teenage sex 18+

and games with murders and guns 12+

SOMETHING AIN'T RIGHT

Pip

lol

I know :D

Alex M.

tbh, there is some content in modern games that I really can't think are appropriate to... human beings in general

I mean

lara's death scenes in the new tomb raider

Grey

I would say something but I'm going to hold my tongue.

John McDonald

@Grey I don't think that's doing what you think it's doing

Alex M.

9:23 PM

the torture mission in gta v

Grey

@AlexM. gruesome.

Alex M.

the torture scenes in cod black ops

WHO FINDS THIS TO BE ENTERTAINMENT?

Grey

I loved the new Tomb Raider.

Pip

bbl, going to program Tarbeyon <3

nathan

@Pip hum. Why do you say it to me? : D

Pip

9:24 PM

because you said that you favored Python over PHP there

Grey

pip eest crazy like this

Pip

:D

@Grey I is

Grey

!!!

Pip

bbl

Grey

@JohnMcDonald Maybe v _ v I'm totally knew to this REST and OAUTH stuff.

John McDonald

9:25 PM

hmm, I'm trying to find some doc or library

Grey

oauth.net/code

Pip

I need more art... the fountain I made looks so out of place without any other art

Grey

BitBucket API recommends the solutions listed here.

nathan

@Pip yeah definitively.

Grey

@AlexM. new music

Alex M.

9:27 PM

?

John McDonald

@Grey This looks reasonable, and it takes a very similar approach: violato.net/blog/net/…

Grey

@AlexM. The Heat - Jungle

Synth,Chill-Wave, New Age, Indie.

Alex M.

I'll take a look once I'm done playing AoE2

starring it anyway because I'm sure it's cool

Grey

AOE2?

If it was 3

Alex M.

AoE 2 > all < Total War

Grey

9:28 PM

I would pawn you in 30 min

Always played as Ivan the Terrible, always won.

2nd choice was to play at the ottomans, but mergh

Pip

lol

Grey

I had GROUND SUPREMACY and

NAVAL SUPREMACY.

I was the best in the best.

; - ; Too bad it's outdated now. It really was the best strat game in the history of 5 ever

Alex M.

that's why it was forgotten by everyone months after release lol

Grey

:-(

IT WAS THE BEST.

SC2 IS FOR NOOBS

that don't know what a real strat game is. I was playing strat games since i was in diaper

In Post-Apocalyptic Los Angeles, You learn how to play games early.

That's the only game my dad will ever play.

Age of Mythology or AOE games(He doesn't know what SC is)

@JohnMcDonald all hope is lost

John McDonald

:(

Grey

9:42 PM

github.com/restsharp/RestSharp/blob/master/RestSharp/…

i think I have a winner

Pip

lol

i cannot believe this..... I made a method called "pick_color()"

so..... selfexplainitory

Icy Defiance

I can't believe it either. what kind of insanity would drive someone to use an underscore instead of camelcase?!

Grey

Johnathan Blow.

Icy Defiance

what kind of insanity would drive someone to spell it Johnathan instead of Jonathan?!

YOU'RE ALL CRAZY!!

Grey

Code readability improvement of the day: In A* code, rename g_score, f_score to g_score, g_score_plus_estimate.

Tweeted by Jonathan_Blow on January 13, 2014 at 2:56 AM

Shots Fired, Icy Defiance, January 14th.

Pip

9:48 PM

lol

hey Icy

Icy Defiance

ha, even he knows it's not spelled Johnathan

Grey

Why is this man notable?

Icy Defiance

because he spells Jonathan correctly?

Grey

Yes.

That is all.

Icy Defiance

makes sense. he couldn't be any more notable than that, because he uses underscores instead of camelcase. so bad.

user4704

9:54 PM

C++ style yo.

Icy Defiance

bah, humbug

Pip

lol

Alex M.

10:34 PM

I use this_kind_of_notation whenever I do C under UNIX

it goes hand in hand with the standard stuff

Evan

underscore notation, especially leading underscores is commonly used in libraries, and even then mostly the low level system libraries. I dont see it many other places

Alex M.

that's because my_object_factory looks lame

Evan

it certainly does make things more inconvenient to read when everything is named via that notation

even then, consistency is whats important

Alex M.

don't find it exactly difficult to read

might depend on how long you've stared at code like it

after all, lispers parse parentheses like we parse braces

Icy Defiance

oh leading underscores for private variables don't bother me. that or the m_ prefix is common with pretty much any language that I've seen so far.

personally I just have the first character lowercase for private, or uppercase for public

but like you said, consistency is the important thing

when adding onto a library, just do whatever is already being done there

Alex M.

10:45 PM

int m_int_MyArrayElementCount;

/sarcasm

Icy Defiance

no, putting the variable type in the name isn't necessary for anyone with an ide better than notepad and a file smaller than 2000 lines

Alex M.

MyLongNameClassHere m_MyLongNameClassHere_MyLongNameMyLongNameClassHereInstance;

Icy Defiance

ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL ME, ALEX?!

m_MyLongName is about as long as my variable names ever get

Alex M.

@IcyDefiance yes

kill -9 26122

user4704

I used to have a lot of m_implementation-> floating around in C++ code, but I switched the relevant compilation firewall to something more like a handle/body idiom and now I can reasonably call it m_body->

Icy Defiance

10:53 PM

are you referring to the pimpl idiom?

Vaughan Hilts

Alright, folks. If your work was moving down the road, you're a student, and it took 1:40 minutes by bus to get there would you seek other employment, ride the bus both ways every day, or buy a car?

Car is 20 minutes.

I have to make this decission in roughly 3 months ._.

Alex M.

I walk to work and back

takes me ~40 min

or more

Vaughan Hilts

I bus. It takes me an hour right now.

Would you be willing to walk 1:40 to work every single day and back?

(Time-wise)

Icy Defiance

I wouldn't want to sit in a bus for that long