Game Development

from a smaller company, at the time the whole concept of "graphics" was a new thing. previously you only had what was known as windows GDI, which was pretty hideous and only provided 2D acceleration

this was a long time before an X box came about.

Aidan Mueller

The point is that programming languages should be free to use, and cross platform.

It's not about cross platform

Hellovart

that is why Java is more popular

John McDonald

12:15 AM

Yeah... I was using GDI for games right up until GDI--. Wow that was awful

Aidan Mueller

It's about their policies

I used to like micro$oft

Matt D

java's not really cross platform either. its write once test everywhere

4

John McDonald

hahah, yes

Aidan Mueller

But their policies are starting to annoy me.

Matt D

as for ms, you get free tools with good compilers, and great debuggers

Hellovart

12:16 AM

horseshit!

Matt D

and you can happily write ansi c++ within them

Hellovart

and who thought intellisense was a good idea!

Aidan Mueller

I like my MinGW

Matt D

intellisense is fantastic for c#, for c++ you really need visual assist

Hellovart

yes, i remember intellisense being good for c#

Matt D

12:17 AM

visual assist is amazeballs

anyway, you dont know pain until you've had to code c++ using dosedit

and/or xcode

they're equally bad

Aidan Mueller

Microsoft compilers don't let you compile to Linux.

May not seem like a big market

BUT

Steambox is linux

Hellovart

which is why you take the source files and headers and move it over to a linux platform....

and then pray to god that the fucking libraries are supported

John McDonald

Yeah, what's the use of compiling to Linux if you can't run and test it right away, on Linux? (Pretty much nothing Microsoft will run on Linux)

Hellovart

try telling that to my professors

Aidan Mueller

What you do is you program on Linux, and test windows compilations with wine

John McDonald

12:23 AM

So, they'd like to compile to Linux on a Windows machine? Then... access the binaries from Linux and run them outside the debugger?

Seems like your profs want Visual Studio to run on Linux

Hellovart

lol

Dave

hmm looks like my message didnt get star'd for long

Aidan Mueller

What did it say?

John McDonald

Was it a "dumb star"?

Dave

encase people were looking for work in game industry - star citizen just opened alot of job applications for a number places in usa and uk

cloudimperiumgames.com/jobs

salbeira

12:25 AM

Hello, a quick question regarding openGL and Java2D's Graphics object : To change the overarcing coordinate system in gl, you just call glOrtho(...) - is there a way to change that coordinate system by calling a method of that graphics object ?

Hellovart

becoming a game developer seems a lot more challenging then that of becoming a software developer

Aidan Mueller

Matt D

as an (ex) gamedev.

its very similar in a lot of cases

Dave

@AidanMueller da feck

Aidan Mueller

In this case, job applications

Hellovart

12:27 AM

im talking about 3d stuffz

Aidan Mueller

hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/…

Hellovart

physicz

John McDonald

Sounds like you can/should ask a question

Matt D

@Hellovart yes. im an ex professional gamedev. i've been there, done that, have the tshirts

Hellovart

who did you work for

John McDonald

12:27 AM

@AidanMueller heh, yeah, I always think of that too

Matt D

@Hellovart in reality, its not really that different. you're really taking data in one form, and turning into data in another form.

@Hellovart criterion/sega/thq/krome

Dave

just say burn out :P

Matt D

haha

:)

Hellovart

that's a lot of companies, @MattD

good thing you were out of thq though

hahhaahahahaha

Matt D

yes, i did it for a long time, about 7 years. half my IT career, before that i was in telco billing

and now im in web.

Hellovart

12:29 AM

wow

what a stretch

Dave

some one here worked on mighty quest for epic loot prototype

Matt D

awesome

Hellovart

never heard of that

Dave

might of been todders

@Hellovart its made by ubisoft its in beta atm

Hellovart

i did hear about the burnout games and man did they "burn out"

Dave

12:31 AM

burnout paradise was the best

Hellovart

racing games in general are generic and boring

John McDonald

@Dave Pretty sure Todders has been waist-deep in SharePoint for many years

Matt D

laughs. you're welcome to your opinion ;) but i still like them

Hellovart

if there's any company i want to work for, it's Bioware

Matt D

@JohnMcDonald no one needs to be waste deep in sharepoint

Hellovart

12:32 AM

but i don't think ill be heading into the game development industry

Dave

@ToddersLegrande was it you who worked on the mighty quest of epic loot original prototype

who ever it was - was telling me, that originally you would storm castles with creatures

rather than the other way round in which they chose to do it

Aidan Mueller

Racers aren't boring like the game I'm going to make "it's going to be a racer, a shooter, and an MMO all in one"

Matt D

you storm creatures with castles?

that sounds like a fun idea :)

Dave

@MattD no you use them to defend your own and attack castles on your own

hasherr

Oi

Dave

12:34 AM

@hasherr go home

I am home.

nuqneH

Good job.

in other words, tower defence

hasherr

Are you?

Dave

12:34 AM

@Hellovart yeah basically

@hasherr might be in one of them

hasherr

Nice.

Hellovart

my home is a dusty cold basement ground with a bunch of paper towels spread out onto it

oh and this laptop

Aidan Mueller

I a bit frustrated with gimp's unintuitive-ness

John McDonald

heh, yup

Matt D

gimp's functional, but hard to use

there's a better cut down one around for the mac atm

although i dont remember what its called

John McDonald

12:36 AM

Use Paint.net if you're needs are simple, and you're on Windows

Dave

photoshop.

the free version

Aidan Mueller

Each layer can have it's own size independent from the images size?!?!?!?

hasherr

Lol, I don't use Gimp, I use PAINT.NET

Which is a paint program, not an image editor, but it's a damn good tool

John McDonald

@AidanMueller hah, awesome. Could be useful

Dave

i use photoshop

Hellovart

12:37 AM

so, @MattD what did you do to get fired from all those companies?

Aidan Mueller

I use a combination of both

Dave

with a bamboo wacom pen tablet

Aidan Mueller

(paint.net and gimp)

Matt D

@Hellovart i was never fired. i either resigned because i was unhappy for various reasons. or i was laid off

Dave

@MattD imma guess the first one

game dev is stressful

Hellovart

12:38 AM

because of the deadlines?

Aidan Mueller

@JohnMcDonald Yes, but when you resize the image, the layers stay the same size. Totally un-intuitive

Dave

@Hellovart yup

John McDonald

Oh fun

Hellovart

isnt it the same with software development companies?

Matt D

@Hellovart these are things i'll discuss with people over a beer sometime, but not in a public chat room

Hellovart

12:38 AM

you don't have to tell me personal stuff

Dave

@Hellovart depends - but usually yes... companies should bid on projects with realistic deadlines though

Hellovart

i mean the ones who get laid off are clearly the ones who were doing the least spectacular work

Dave

not really

some of the best cost mega $$$

John McDonald

sigh Do I really need to make a loading screen? :( My game loads in ~10 seconds now

Dave

once u finish the project u may not need them

Hellovart

12:40 AM

which is why you blackmail

Dave

@JohnMcDonald just have it say "if you can read this your PC sucks"

@Hellovart lol what?

blackmail yeah that wont get u far =/

Matt D

ok, back to work time

John McDonald

@Dave heh, Are you telling me that my PC sux?

Dave

@JohnMcDonald depends on the game

but over time people wont be able to read it :P

John McDonald

heh

Dave

12:42 AM

what is it anyway

Aidan Mueller

For all of you paint.net users: I found a plugin called "that other app" it let's you open a layer in a different program, edit it, and import the changes without closing paint.net. Super useful if there is a feature in gimp that works better or isn't in paint.net

John McDonald

@Dave My game, Asteroid Outpost

Aidan Mueller

Like "make seamless"

Dave

oh that one hows it that been going

aint seen any screenshots in ages

Hellovart

does it have blue aliens that shoot lasers out of their eyes? @JohnMcDonald

Aidan Mueller

12:43 AM

What are you writing it in?

Frustration++?

Dave

i have a horrid invisible wall collision issue for my grid system

i dont see any solution other than pixel level detection to make sure its not alpha but its guna hurt the game's performance alot

Hellovart

i once made a 2d platformer in C# windows form

Dave

have you done any grid based collision detection ?

Hellovart

and then i stabbed the guy sitting next to me in class with a pencil because i found a game breaking bug

i used maths, dave

John McDonald

Hellovart

12:45 AM

maths

hasherr

Never again.

@Hellovart I wrote a maze game in a C# windows form

Aidan Mueller

My first "real" game was writt-WOW THAT IS AWESOME

Dave

@Hellovart we all use maths.

Hellovart

lol

hasherr

@JohnMcDonald Looks really good.

Dave

12:45 AM

@JohnMcDonald webGL ?

John McDonald

C# (XNA), with Awesomium Web UI (jQuery, AngularJS, CSS3, etc)

hasherr

Did you make that background by yourself?

Hellovart

ew, XNA

Dave

@JohnMcDonald see if you can port it to browser :D that be awesome

Hellovart

try making it in Java

John McDonald

12:46 AM

I made the BG myself, and it probably won't last

Matt D

@JohnMcDonald you're using awesomium? how's that going?

hasherr

@JohnMcDonald The bg looks very FTL-like.

Hellovart

why does the background image looks lesser in quality compared to the other sprites

Dave

@JohnMcDonald why not use NASA's high resolution images they are public domain by default free for use in any situation :)

John McDonald

@MattD So far, Awesomium is pretty great. My only concern is portability

Dave

12:47 AM

the resolutions can cover the entire screen by far

hasherr

^Reminds me of that.

Matt D

@JohnMcDonald interesting. I really think that CSS/Web style stuff is the future of ui

John McDonald

@Hellovart Probably because I made it, and it's stretched, :p

Matt D

@JohnMcDonald only question really is how to make it animate :)

Aidan Mueller

Is mono one of those things that works sometimes, or is it pretty good?

John McDonald

12:47 AM

@MattD Oh man, it's soooo much easier than making any other kind of UI

Matt D

mono is decent

and getting better all the tiem

John McDonald

I'm not using Mono (yet)

Matt D

unlike my spelling

Aidan Mueller

LOL

my speling is prity gud

Hellovart

what do i need to do in order to take over bill gate's position

Matt D

12:50 AM

what position? he has a seat on the board but spends most of his time doing charity work

Aidan Mueller

He sold microsoft didn't he?

Hellovart

with the money he steals from people!

Aidan Mueller

Or something like that

Matt D

no, he just stepped down from being CEO

Aidan Mueller

Oh

I see

Matt D

12:50 AM

ballamer took over, and now he's stepping down

and they're going to appoint a new CEO this year

Aidan Mueller

Oh dear

And now it's too late to change Winders back to the way it was

Hellovart

like I dunt understund, why doesnt anyone want to buy my program that allows you to type your name and output it spelt backwards, i dudn't do anything wrongs!

there's only a $20 price tag on it

Aidan Mueller

People don't know good deals when they see them.

Hellovart

for reals! like, the negatives on my bank statement are going away anytime soon

Dave

One for the price of two, selling like hot cakes.

Hellovart

12:57 AM

i cant bake cakes

but i can make toast?

and why the fuck doesnt my meal look like this when i buy it at my local mcdonalds: mcdonalds.ca/ca/en/menu/full_menu/breakfast/…