Root Access - 2013-11-21 (page 1 of 4)

« first day (1203 days earlier) ← previous day next day → last day (3809 days later) »

12:00 AM

@JimmyHoffa . . . under a singularity , which then collapses into a black hole.

user image

I think this used VCR I found might be what I need, hmm... I'll call.

Ahh this is why I thought RCA lived past 1986

RCA (trademark)

RCA is an American trademark brand owned by Technicolor SA, which is used on products made by that company as well as Audiovox, ON Corporation and Sony Music Entertainment. RCA stood for Radio Corporation of America, a company which later became RCA Corporation which was taken over by General Electric in 1986 and then split up. Current users At present, the RCA trademark is owned by Technicolor SA (known as Thomson SA until January 2010) through RCA Trademark Management S.A. Though it generally no longer uses the brand directly (either it or General Electric sold off virtually all the b...

The trademark was kept alive and kicking

Whaaat? RCA is no more? Since 1986? :c I have that logo imprinted in my mind, because it's the brand of the huge speakers we had when I was little, and I played on the ground next to the little plastic logo thing.

yeah, RCA evokes memories of the... good ol times

Journeyman Geek

12:08 AM

lol

There, my mom lives really close to the guy who's selling the VCR-DVD thing, so she'll be able to go get it for me. Problem solved. Well I think.

Hey, total off-topic. I've been wondering for a while. When you say a day of the week, do you always need to say "on"? Like, "my mom will go get me the device on Saturday". For some reason that "on" sounds weird to me.

@Ariane English Language & Usage ;)

Journeyman Geek

what else would you use? ;p

@Braiam Lazy. Most here are English speakers so.

we are not... native speakers... most of us... at least...

12:14 AM

I assumed most were. But some are I'm sure.

@JourneymanGeek Nothing. "My mom will go get me the device Saturday".

you can use "the", or "in" or omit it altoguether

what fit you the best... oddly enough English broken enough can still be undertood

Journeyman Geek

saturday could be the name of the device, or the person you are talking to.

My mom will go get me the device in/the Saturday?! You sure about that?

@Ariane certain dialects/sub-dialects of British English use of instead of on in that case

^ and that is really weird...

12:16 AM

OF? That's......... ugh I have no understanding of English prepositions at all.

valid (for certain dialects only; perhaps not for "standard" formalized English): "It's a patriotic scene; all that's missing is the queen; but she said she couldn't make it of a Tuesday"

"of a"

@allquixotic That,s totally different.

in US English we'd use "on"

The scene belongs to a Tuesday.

No wait

What?

12:18 AM

I think it is preferable to point up to the sky and make hand gestures indicating the phase of the moon on that day, and grunt. Close enough.

No actually of makes no sense at all to me in that sentence, hahaha.

"of/on a Tuesday" means that there's something specific about it being Tuesday that is relevant, whereas "of/on Tuesday" (without the "a") means that that specific Tuesday is problematic

No yeah the "a" I get it. The "of" is the weird part.

ok, I step aside this mather...

@Ariane like I said, it's a dialect

there are tons of dialects of English

the various UK dialects tend to carry more weight because, let's face it, English came from there, but the US and Indian dialects also have a huge population speaking them, so they matter too

you pretty much have to choose a dialect for when you're writing or speaking, and then at least understand how to properly parse the other dialects that get thrown at you randomly by other speakers/writers

12:20 AM

Anyway English prepositions have never made much sense to me to begin with. I think I mostly learned them by heart without understanding. IN a city, ON a day (wtf so you're on top of days now?), AT school but IN school can also be good depending on the sentence...

@Ariane on/in is very much a "how does it sound" kind of thing in many cases; it doesn't necessarily have to follow logically

I've seen some cases where "on", "in", and "for" all sort of make sense

for any given dialect, there's the choice that's natural; the choice that's OK; and the choice that's weird-sounding

Journeyman Geek

this tuesday might work as an alternative

but what sounds weird to one person sounds natural to another

Journeyman Geek

or next. Its even more specific than on ;)

someone from Newcastle on Tyne, England, might think it's weird to say "I can't make the meeting on a Tuesday; I have ballet lessons"

they'd use "of"

but the "on" sounds perfectly natural to US English (native speaker here)

12:23 AM

I un-lazied myself and looked it up.

3

A: Is it common to omit a preposition (in / on / of) before “the month (year / week /day) when they are used adjectively and adverbially?

This is a very good question and it made me do some serious digging. Here is what I found: In the examples you have given, it is fine to use a preposition. There are cases when prepositions must be omitted and when omission is optional: prepositions of time are omitted before the words: last, ...

@allquixotic You make me notice how odd the phrase "to make it" is. You didn't create the meeting, you attended it (or didn't), sheesh.

@Ariane lol

I punt our almost universal usage of "make" for just about everything to Spanish

hacer in Spanish (and conjugations thereof) are used in a similar way

Journeyman Geek

arstechnica.com/business/2013/11/… winamp is dead. :/

very common words are starting to see their meaning and/or common usages expanded over time, because people who are just learning English tend to only use the vocabulary they're familiar with, which involves sometimes mis-appropriating words for a certain context where they might not traditionally fit, or a different word is clearer

I've seen words like "provide", "update", etc. used in a tremendous number of diverse situations at work with ESL speakers

@allquixotic Hacer is an auxilary. Actually in how it sounds and how it's used it's much closer to "to have" (and to avoir in French). Yo he hecho. I have done. J'ai fait. I'd regard it as rather weird for a Spanish person to put "make" everywhere because of it.

I've learned how to write emails in Indian English; I'm not sure if they're easier or harder to understand for my coworkers than my "natural" US English

brb

Journeyman Geek

12:29 AM

@allquixotic: "Dear Sir, I am writing to inform you, most respectfully that,......

Aaaaand this talk makes me think about the incredibly weird uses of words like up and down in English.

If you blow, it's all right. But never blow upwards, because then it,s an explosion.

Rotation is pretty specific too. Turning, turning up, turning down, turning off, turning on, turning in... Be careful of how you turn. Results will vary greatly.

Oh yeah, and turning into. When you transform, rotation is necessarily implied.

@Ariane turning has Many different definitions in my little dictonary here. #21. To cause to take on a specified character, nature, identity, or appearance; change or transform. Used with to or into: water that had been turned to ice; turn a rundown house into a show place.

@Psycogeek I believe you, but in my head the original implies rotation, which makes how wide a term it's become impressive. And funny.

to take a "Turn for the worst" while angular deflection is not nessisary, the Idea still exists that the "direction" had changed.

12:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek not quite ;p

You can know Indian English, of the particular dialect I often read, by the use, of extraneous commas, and long run-on sentences.

You can have a better idea of it after discussing about it with the needful

@allquixotic ..... That's not just a lot of commas, it's actually absolutely wrong, grammatically. I'm glad I'm not usually in contact with Indians. I'd go crazy.

These things were put in to assist in reading, the comma is just a pause, nothing more, nothing less, if the reader pauses, thinks for a moment :-) what could be wrong with it , when communication is the intended goal?

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane: indian english has very oddly evolved

@Ariane Seems, whatever particular thing might be wrong for one dialect, is good for another, and this is how my coworkers communicate, and there are so many of them, eventually there are enough of them, to create a dialect, which can provide a common acceptable standard based on what used to be considered wrong.

(and yes, I wrote that sentence in Indian English too)

Journeyman Geek

its proper as hell british english circa the 1800s merged with dozens of local dialects coloured by the sentence structures of their own native languages, which end up as being something thats similar to but entirely unlike english as you know it.

And then people turn up the wierdness with saladcase.

12:56 AM

@JourneymanGeek what's saladcase?

@all when are you planning to test the simulator?

@JourneymanGeek yeah, I definitely get the British-isms :P "enrol" instead of "enroll" for instance

Journeyman Geek

Saladcase Is the Inconsistant and often Contradictory use of Capital letters

@allquixotic We use "enrol"...

@JourneymanGeek oh, yeah, that's pretty Common as well

12:57 AM

www.aec.gov.au/enrol/‎ :P

@Bob "enroll" must be a USAism, then.

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: until recently en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wren_&_Martin was the standard english textbook in a lot of indian schools

@allquixotic ...are you just inserting commas in random places?

@JourneymanGeek there is a certain charm to it :P

Journeyman Geek

@Bob:yes, I do believe, he is.

12:59 AM

there is this one Indian woman at work who looks to be, maybe no more than 3-4 years older than me, and she speaks very proper British English, it's actually pretty hot ;p

Journeyman Geek

@allquixotic: there is.

@allquixotic: the educated ones do

reading your messages is hurting my brain

@Bob Please let me know if you have any questions ;-) (VERY common signature line where I work)

(without the smiley)

@all I'll be setting up some other stuff (Terraria server) tomorrow, probably. Please let me know [ ;) ] if you're going to be running the simulator around that time.

@Bob probably not until this weekend, but I'll try to ssh in right now

Journeyman Geek

1:01 AM

@allquixotic: apparently doing the pringles is a common russian thing

> doing the pringles

@Bob please do the needful pringles ;o))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))‌))))))))))))

Russo-Indian mind meld

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: yes, I think thats a good way to describe it, like doing LSD ;o))))))))))))))))))

replied to your email @Bob

@allquixotic damn it. I hope I didn't spell it authorised_keys again

1:07 AM

lol

or (Indian English) Authorised, Keys

problem is, I'm at work and a) I don't have my private key here (really need to generate one on my phone) b) my work machine can only connect to ports 80 and 443

Punctuation was put in to assist in reading. The comma is just a pause. The comma should be paused at. If the reader pauses at the commas placed in a sentance, and thinks for a moment, what could be wrong with it? Isn't communicating what is in the head of the writer, to the head of the reader the intended goal?

@Bob you might like this

@allquixotic that's actually awesome (assuming it doesn't require a WebSocket proxy)

I was looking for one a while ago

but it doesn't help much wit the lack of private key, and blocked ports, problems

hrm... actually, I can connect to the IPMI interface

@Bob well, it uses WebSockets, I believe, but if you do it over HTTPS like you're supposed to, a non-WebSockets proxy can't really tell the difference between a standard HTTP connection and a WebSocket

1:09 AM

but I don't think the Java client will run

@allquixotic but that requires I run a WebSocket (reverse) proxy on the other end

I can't just point it at the SSH server and have it work

@Bob ....no?

@allquixotic really? that's what I found the last time I was looking this up

I'm trying to understand what you're talking about, but I don't think you need what you think you need

on my end, I just installed GateOne, not a reverse proxy

everything worked, even at work, where my work proxy is very anti-anything that's cool, including websockets

but that's because websockets work fine through https and a proxy can't detect and block them unless it MITMs

my work proxy doesn't MITM

@all requires a web application server

> It looks like you're trying to understand what someone're talking about, but you don't think someone need what someone think someone need. Would you like help?

@Bob well.... it provides its own, I think

1:12 AM

@allquixotic again: that means I have to run server-side components

not just a plain SSH server

that's one issue I have with it :P

@Bob and that's a bad thing? I mean, for your CURRENT SITUATION, yes, it's bad, but once you get home and configure it....

I think I actually have a OpenVPN server running on port 443, so I could tunnel through that

which means my main barrier is the lack of a key

I mean once you install GateOne you suddenly have a 443 SSL connection to what your work proxy thinks is a black box, when it's actually an SSH terminal into your server

I've already disabled password login, so no hope there

you may have to just wait until you get home.

1:13 AM

@allquixotic yea, I get that

@allquixotic Pretty sure it's wrong, no matter how you look at it (and as far as I know no matter the language), to be putting commas in inappropriate places. I don't think a dialect is an excuse to be making that kind of mistake. Like, where I live, we cures by saying christ but without pronouncing the T, which sounds like "criss". And in very informal writing we spell it that way. But we still know it's wrong and will spell it properly when needed.

again, I've looked this up before - there's no shortage of similar clients

I think that one is the best

you can cat a picture and view it

lol

wtf, right?

1:14 AM

that is pretty nice, actually

lemme guess, data URI?

it supports several common media types. PDFs too

no idea how it's implemented

it could just chuck a data URI at the browser

maybe

though it would need to d some detection to figure out whether to use an img tag or open it

but it has to detect that you're cating something to the console, then read that data instead of just splatting a gross ASCIIfied binary at you

and AFAIK it will work on servers with no custom software if you use gateone to ssh into them

1:16 AM

@allquixotic perhaps it tries to match image format magic numbers

yeah, I was thinking that

or not just images but any supported file type

well, yes

though that could potentially be bad if your goal is to inspect an image dumped as ASCII :P

@Bob I'd use a hex editor in that case

@Ariane But the opposite is so candy ass. See Spot run. Run Spot run. Kelly watches Spot run. Spot likes running. What does that tell us about Spot?

@Psycogeek ................What the heck are you talking about?

1:20 AM

@Ariane Proper sentace structure can require making a proper sentacne.

@Bob the interesting thing about GateOne is that it's licensed under AGPLv3 (unless you want to buy a commercial license), so if you host the web application, and you modified the source, you better be prepared to provide a copy of your source changes on request

Sentence you mean. But I still have no idea what the heck you're talking about. Have you maybe been drinking?

@Ariane Yes, I have been drinking. I have with me a large glass of water. I have drank from this glass of water. I have drank from this glass of water many times. I will now drink from this glass of water right now.

Then you should be able to reformulate this in an understandable way.

@all not sure about that

gpl only requires you to provide source if you provide the compiled program, not the source to hosted applications, I think. though not sure about agpl, and I could be remembering wrong

1:28 AM

@Bob that's what the "A" (Affero) stands for...

Journeyman Geek

hmm

the AGPLv3 is more restrictive than even the GPLv3 in terms of your responsibilities to ensure others' copyleft.

it's specifically for websites

@Ariane I should be able to formulate that sentance, in an understandable way. I probably could formulate the sentance using less words. Would you like to formulate that sentace into proper english? Would you assist in making the sentance much shorter? Would you do that with less commas?

To begin with I'm tired and have little idea of what you're trying to say, so it would be nice if you stopped playing around.

@Ariane I feel that my proper sentances are "raising your hackles". I should now refrain from making proper sentaces. We have now seen that commas can play a important role, in communications. :-)

1:35 AM

I still don't understand. By the way it's spelled sentence, isn't it?

@all ah. that sucks.

@Ariane Yes it is, how did you know i was trying to say Sentence?

Because there's only one letter that changed, that the sound of en and an are similar and to begin with there's no other word to confuse it with?

@Ariane So then, would you say that I managed to communicate the same idea?

You did. Even if u write lik dis ppl can understand u 2 even if its rly anoyin.

1:39 AM

@Ariane It is that.

Journeyman Geek

/me sees this and determines that @Ariane's socks need to be slobbered and hidden away.

.........Is talking nonsense to me the trendy game of today?

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane: this makes more sense in the context of being a small dyslexic dog, who has issues reading txtspk.

Oh, so you had trouble reading that message. Yeah well I usually never write like that unless it's to mock something or someone really particular. Not sure I get the sock thing though.

@Ariane I did not have any trouble reading your message. It was well done , and within the context I expected at the moment. I do prefer the other way though.

1:45 AM

I was talking to @JourneymanGeek though. But I still have no idea what you're talking about, @Psycogeek.

Journeyman Geek

user image

(not my not actually sock stealing canine alter-ego)

@Ariane If you have no idea what I am talking about, then there is still a lack of communication. If the intended goal is communication, I have failed.

@JourneymanGeek Cute.

@Psycogeek The perceived goal on my side is either being funny or appearing clever, and in both cases it's sadly a failure.

@Ariane That sentance kind of runs on :-)

SentEnce. And what?

1:50 AM

@Ariane Ahh geez, now we got SaLaD CaSe.

What?

@Ariane You put a capital letter in the middle of the word there, that is just wrong.

That's the lazy equivalent of bold or whatever other way of putting emphasis on text. Quite wrong indeed, but given that most chats just don't let you put bold or anything, I call that acceptable for the context.

@Ariane Precisely. Now you have made another point for simple loose communication methods.

This seriously feels like you're trying to make me debate for something and I don't even understand what. And honestly it's really extenuating. Really, either explain properly or drop it.

1:58 AM

@Ariane I dropped it , quite some time ago, it keeps comming back.

So I'm a super ball now?

(I must be really tired because I actually laughed at my own joke just now.)

@Ariane Is the question rhetorical ?

I'm not that deep. What's deep is my general annoyance when people make stuff deep.

@Ariane me too.

..............Didn't you just make a pretty bottomless pit from the smallest of debates over commas?

2:04 AM

hows it going guys

@Ariane Not everything is about you :-) I was mostly just referring to the comma, but thank you for participating.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

Alright, time for you people to give me some PR and Marketing advice!

anyone familiar with wine? ive come a long way but still running into some issues? was able to resolve about 3 of them - but still dealing with a few, particularly this in my log:

fixme:iphlpapi:NotifyAddrChange (Handle 0x32cc0c, overlapped 0xfe4470): stub
fixme:winsock:WSALookupServiceBeginW (0x32ccb8 0x00000ff0 0x32ccf4) Stub!
[1120/210414:ERROR:network_change_notifier_win.cc(111)] WSALookupServiceBegin failed with: 8
fixme:iphlpapi:CancelIPChangeNotify (overlapped 0xfe4470): stub

................................................................................‌...............okay either I'm tired enough to be completely misunderstanding everything, either you're actively trying to annoy me out of pure spite. In either case I should leave because you're starting to give me a headache.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

go to basketball-gm.com and rip it apart. Criticize it, tell me what's wrong. What can be better, etc.

2:09 AM

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Just from how thin the interface is and how it doesn't react when I zoom, the code is probably quite wrong. The basketball illustration is weak. Basketball GM doesn't tell me anything (GM?) and it doesn't seem to be explained anywhere. The ergonomy is wrong. I don't know where to direct my eye. The button is way too big, it makes the whole thing look like a rip-off ad.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Too many elements in your lists. There's no proper colour pattern. The line "A single player..." is too long.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Basically I'd say that it's pretty much wrong in... well every way.

hey @Bob

you can't get into your server atm at all?

Journeyman Geek

@Ariane: I wouldn't attribute it to spite.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Ariane Thanks Ariane! A lot of helpful things! :)

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Sorry if it was harsh. But I really think whoever did it has little to no knowledge in that kind of thing. You should probably give the job to someone else.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute By the way, why are you asking this here? I don't think anyone minds, but this is a room normally about computer software and hardware, mostly filled up with geeks that aren,t exactly the artistic kind. Wouldn't you have been better off on the Graphic Design Stack Exchange site?

Journeyman Geek

lol

I personally don't think the design is too horribad ;p

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

2:17 AM

@Ariane I'd rather have you be harsh and get me to correct all the problems than lie and say, "Everything looks perfect."

I just asked here in general lol. The room was active when I came here, so I thought I should ask the computers gods some questions :D

Journeyman Geek

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute: the ad looks... off, and kinda skanky.

Heh, okay. Just know, in case, even though the graphic design room is pretty empty and not so active, if you leave a question, usually you'll get an answer.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute so its not bad i do have some minor design suggestions if you'd like to hear em

Journeyman Geek

other than that, it seems ok.

So I picked a random team and hit simulate 1 month... ended up 23-5. B)

2:20 AM

@JourneymanGeek It's not too ugly. On the sole point of beauty, it's kinda passable. But it's completely wrong when you study it a bit and look at the ergonomics and overall theoretical design stuff.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Joe I'd be more than happy to hear them.

@JourneymanGeek which ad are you talking about?

Journeyman Geek

it also makes inefficient use of bigger screens :/

@JourneymanGeek Yush, that was part of "wrong code".

Journeyman Geek

user image

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute About marketing, by the way... on the basic level, I don't think this game would work very well. I mean, are people really interested not in basketball but in the management behind it? And as a single-player browser game? But that's from me, a person who doesn't give a piece of poop about sports and was never a fan simulation/management games to begin with. So if those numbers and comments are true I may be wrong.

2:24 AM

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute just in general im a just stickler for spacing - particularly little things like the 'start playing now' button and the Basketball GM header on the homepage. making the negative space on the left and right of the header symetrical would be by preference. for the start button id personally add a bit more padding on top and bottom to even that out.

Also, I didn't say, but I should: You need a proper logo. It can't just be a ball with a title in Helvetica.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute the interior pages work alot better for me, i like the header and everything looks familiar to bootstrap with the responsive - and thats a plus.

B-b-bootstrap. x.x I hate the heck out of Bootstrap.

but its overwhelmingly 'white' in the background, and that is kind of oppressive, just gives things a plain look. alot of stats sites use "zebra tables" and other design elements of the like to differentiate the columns or content blocks from one another

I think that adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com might be the base of the game...

2:28 AM

@JourneymanGeek how long would it take to transfer my domain from godaddy to namecheap after I submit the EPP code?

didn't you have experience with them?

Journeyman Geek

never was with godaddy

but if there's a delay, its likely on godaddy's side ;p

@Ariane What do you hate about bootstrap?

the status is "EPP Provided. Queued for processing." on the namecheap side

Journeyman Geek

blog.jeffepstein.me/post/14629857835/… apparently a few hours

@DarthAndroid It's display code in the HTML. I hate that.

2:31 AM

o.0 Isn't that what HTML is? It's markup, to design / layout the UI.

@DarthAndroid HTML is for content/structure.

CSS is for design.

Actually, some people would say CSS is for structure/layout too.

Isn't that what bootstrap is, though? a CSS?

@DarthAndroid HTML is the semantic structure of the website. CSS handles the look. What Bootstrap does is essentially a neater equivalent of <b> and <div font="something">.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Ariane I kinda agree with you. Basketball Management Game is a very niche game. Not everyone will particularly enjoy it. So the site needs to figure out how to attract more users.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute I can't help you much with that. If it were me I just wouldn't make that game, so. :/

2:34 AM

aha, approval process is complete now

now the domain is awaiting transfer

@Darth HTML is supposed to be, within a reasonable margin, possible to use, with no modification at all, usable to make a website with the same content but an entirely different design, as long as the elements are in the same order (roughly). That's the theory of course. Practice differs, and for some things you have to breach a bit and influence your design with HTML changes. But Bootstrap literally scraps all that and makes you design most of your layout using the HTML.

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Ariane It actually isn't my game. Some other guy created it and according to him, it's actually pretty successful.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute its like google simple.

@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute Oh so he asked you to redo his design? If the website's design is based on the game's, I'm afraid the game might need a face-life too.

(To be honest I thought this was most likely a game that's in development.)

@JourneymanGeek Transfer in progress - mydomain.org is awaiting release from current registrar. No actions required, please allow up to 5 days for the transfer to complete.

GoDaddy will probably take 4 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59.999 seconds, just to be an asshole

2:42 AM

@Ariane I think I'm following most of that, just short on the point where it's bootstrap that makes you put your layout in your HTML. (Disclaimer, I've not actually used the full bootstrap, just use the CSS and added classes to various elements)

I have a question about the new room rule @allquixotic, what about the ones that are already married?

@Braiam it's a joke

@Braiam It doesn't say you can't be in an existing marriage, just that you can't get married. It's a ban on the action, not the state of being.

but I agree with @DarthAndroid

@allquixotic I like @DarthAndroid better :P

2:44 AM

it's not an ex post facto rule

because if you are already married from before, and still somehow active in this chat, well, good for you

AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute

@Ariane It is in development. It's not like the guy who created is done and has moved on to something else.

damn, the .io domains are expensive

.org, .in, .us, even .com are cheap compared to .io

You can get .io's that are short though

the peru (*.pe) domains are also expensive, but there are still two-letter second-level domains left

lol

like for instance xt.pe ?

@DarthAndroid There are classes like "col1" (not sure it's how it's called) that makes an element be one column wide, for instance.

@DarthAndroid And there are pre-made buttons and other elements that you need to give multiple classes to format. I'm making stuff up, but it's something like class="bootstrap-btn clear-btn blue left". While how a button should be styled is ideally no class on the button or anything, with CSS like (well not all in one line, but.) main>footer form button { color, shape, style, blahblah here }

2:47 AM

i wonder if google.io will be the place where they live stream the next google I/O conference

@allquixotic quite possibly. I picked up dz.pe for the sole purpose of having a 4-letter domain.

@Ariane Ah, alright, that makes more sense. Yeah, that's bad.

I had so far been using the stuff like success/info/warning/danger classes to describe my stuff, and let the css pick the coloring

@DarthAndroid How much did that cost?

XD

public key bubble babble -- neat feature of GateOne

my public key is xubob-meted-bokuf-huzul-raner-hopap-kivyd-vudus-mocyc-rylif-fixox

@allquixotic wut

@bob $49.98

2:53 AM

@DarthAndroid ouch.

yeah, $50/year is expensive just to hold down a domain name imo

especially compared to org, com and us

Well if you know the classes well and you're really determined to use it, Bootstrap is usable properly (like, while leaving your HTML with its intended purpose) though, if you use mixins with LESS or SASS and stuff.

But even that to me is suboptimal because then you'll get unpredictable results from using premade style stuff that you have to fight and undo if you need to, sometimes even with !important. Basically your CSS is in two places and it gets confusing. ("So what were the properties of that .bootstrap-btn class again?" or "which of these 5 Bootstrap styles is fucking my layout up?").

So past the theoretical preference of having data and structure on one side and style on another, there's this practical fact, that I just hate to fight CSS I didn't make and don't fully understand. I like to know what I'm doing by knowing what I've done.

How do you type so much so quickly? O.O

@bob How do you not? /joke

I typed a long message. It was too long. So I separated it.

2:54 AM

@Ariane I've never really fought with CSS thanks to chrome dev tools.

I can always see exactly where each property is coming from.

@allquixotic If I really wanted, I probably could (get into my server).

wow

allquixotic.pw is practically free

yup

I actually have my laptop with me, and it's got my private key on it.

But sadly, most of the industry doesn't feel that way. Bootstrap makes us make websites faster? So what if it makes dirty code and complicates later editing? Who cares about semantics enough to spend longer on a website? That's about how most people think

2:55 AM

It also has OpenVPN set up, so I can tunnel through the one listening on 443.

i want to pick an inconspicuous domain name so work doesn't get their panties in a tangle over it though lol

> It looks like you're trying to pick an inconspicuous domain name so work doesn't get their panties in a tangle over it though lol. Would you like help?

But I really find no reason to - it's quite a lot of bother, and I actually have to go demo something right about now (once my boss has finished his conversation...).

!!tell 12279172 no

ChatBot John Cavil

user image

@allquixotic LOl

Journeyman Geek

2:56 AM

@allquixotic: thereisnothingtoseeheremovealong.pw?

@allquixotic Get one of the internationalized names then

@all how much is a .pw anyway?

@JourneymanGeek better yet -- innocentsilkenavenue.ru

Poland is Wordly?

@Bob less than $4 USD per year for allquixotic.pw

from namecheap

2:57 AM

@Bob $4

Journeyman Geek

palau it seems

@allquixotic Wow. brb grabbing one :P

(though, watch out for conditions on the domain)

I am annoyed that domainsbyproxy.com denied my domain transfer request just because i had an account with them

Journeyman Geek

lol

now i have to wait until namecheap gets the memo that the transfer was denied, then put in another request to have the domain transfered

so much BS

2:58 AM

@DarthAndroid What, xn--kbr59ty0dvg.cn?

@allquixotic Wait what?

Journeyman Geek

whut?

@Bob there's absolutely no way work would ever block that as being potentially malicious

@Bob trying to get my domain transferred from godaddy/domainsbyproxy to namecheap

And since most people who make the HTML/CSS of websites are either designers (who don't care much about what's behind the thing as long as it looks good) or programmers (who just want to get done with the fucking layout already and get to the actual programming, "as long as it works"), well, most of the time people don't give a shit about what GOOD HTML and CSS code are. Which annoys me because that's what I'm the best at and what I care the most about.

Journeyman Geek

apparently .pw disallows irc bots

of all, the bloody things you can disallow on a domain

(I type so slowly my messages seem completely irrelevant now)

2:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek awesome, i love the arbitrary rules of stupid TLDs

« first day (1203 days earlier) ← previous day next day → last day (3809 days later) »

Transcript for

Nov '1321

Root Access

For all you Super Users out there. You have backups, right?

computers technology

join this room
about this room

00:00

06:00

12:00

18:00

all times are UTC

site design / logo © 2024 Stack Exchange Inc; legal

mobile