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Bob

12:37 AM

@allquixotic Terraria up :P

it actually uses two threads

(and about 1.5 GB of RAM on a large world O.O)

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

apparently the RAM usage is worse on mono

Journeyman Geek

monomono... dah dah dah dah dah....

Bob

1:07 AM

@JourneymanGeek o.O

allquixotic

@Bob Linux redacted.yourdomain.com 3.10.19-vs2.3.6.8-custom-nat-amd64 #3 SMP Wed Nov 20 13:21:15 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux

(I'm in)

processor	: 23
vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
cpu family	: 6
model		: 44
model name	: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           L5639  @ 2.13GHz
stepping	: 2
microcode	: 0x15
cpu MHz		: 1600.000
cache size	: 12288 KB
physical id	: 1
siblings	: 12
core id		: 10
cpu cores	: 6
apicid		: 53
initial apicid	: 53
fpu		: yes
fpu_exception	: yes
cpuid level	: 11
wp		: yes
flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclm…

Bob

@allquixotic :D

allquixotic

"processor 23" O_O

Bob

Also, lemme know when you test your simulator

allquixotic

@Bob definitely not now

working on gstreamer cerbero build

Bob

1:15 AM

I'll probably have to stop Terraria

It's actually running 24 threads

though only two are showing any real CPU usage.

i.e. it's actually multithreaded :D

allquixotic

i'm going to be off for four days starting on Thursday of next week

will probably do it then

Bob

@allquixotic uhm... (what does that mean?)

> Cerbero is the build and packaging system used to construct the GStreamer SDK.

testing if the build system works?

allquixotic

@Bob trying to build gstreamer for android (on my box, not yours)

Bob

ah

@allquixotic still trying to get rid of AudioFlinger?

allquixotic

@Bob nope

trying to write a media player from scratch for android, because no existing android media players are open source and gstreamer-based, so i need to write one so i can integrate rbpitch-like functionality

Psycogeek

1:29 AM

@Bob what is Terraria ? is it this ?terraria.gamepedia.com/Guide:Getting_started

Bob

@Psycogeek ya, it's a game

kinda like a 2d minecraft

though it's a bit more adventure focused, rather than creation

Psycogeek

@Bob And your setting up a server for it?

Bob

@allquixotic is gstreamer really necessary for that?

though I suppose you have an existing plugin collection available that way

@Psycogeek yep

it's just a private one for friends, though

(and the latency is ab it annoying, but at least it's not a FPS game)

allquixotic

@Bob the reason i want gstreamer is because i already understand how the pitch plugin works, and it integrates the excellent soundtouch library

Journeyman Geek

3:09 AM

►

Bob

3:25 AM

@JourneymanGeek wat

oh god

that's where that ad's song came from

eff

wait, it's even older than that

@JourneymanGeek ^

source

Braiam

4:17 AM

@Bob JG looks so pitiable :(

Journeyman Geek

lol

Obviously not me then

I REGRET NOTHING

(besides the leash is meant to keep the human in reach)

Hennes

6:30 AM

I thought the least was to drag the human under a car?

@bob: It actually worked on an identical model (down to the same version number) of a board with a socketed EEPROM.

@caleb In your case the chip is soldered on and I only see four options:
1) Get the flashrom source code, See why it throws that error and optionally jerry rig it to ignore that. (Very much not recommended in a board that still works, but ..)
2) Send the board in to be repaired (which might just mean that they replace the board). Only useful under warranty,
3) Buy a whole new board.
4) Buy a new BIOS EEPROM, disconnect the first from power (not the whole chip, just the power lines to the chip. And use wires so you can reconnect when the board is live. PIggy back the new BIOS and power it it…

Bob

@Hennes I don't currently have a problem :P

Hennes

Oh, it got solved? Yay

oh wait. Caleb not bob

Journeyman Geek

lol

Hennes

Takes a second sip of his first cup of coffee.

Journeyman Geek

7:26 AM

I just found a 128mb sd card

Hennes

Useful.

Could make a nice DOS boot/tool/recovery disk from that. Along a dual boot emergecy live 'CD' Linux install

Journeyman Geek

and my 8gb USB key I was looking for

the one that fell apart and was superglued back together ;p

Hennes

heh, I also found my 8GB USB pendrive back.

I asked for 'small USB pen drives' for my borthday with the idea that I might get a dozen 128MB drives which I could use to distribute my VC. Instead I got an USB-connector sized 8GB drive.

Journeyman Geek

7:41 AM

lol

I have the 16 gb version of that

sandisk.sg/products/usb/drives/cruzer-fit

Hennes

Size progress: 4GB, 8GB, 16 GB

Journeyman Geek

I can't actually find anything smaller than 4gb easily

Hennes

Right. AFK - dressing in 'Money' suit for a job.

Psycogeek

@Hennes I got one of them little tiny readers, and the microSD stuff, and while it is amazingly small, it also requires a human effort , to keep it from dissapearing.

Hennes

7:57 AM

yeah. I should have more than one. Not sure where the others two are

Psycogeek

Mabey i should do something like these bathroomkeychronicles.blogspot.com to keep from loosing it, defeating the advantage of smallnesss. (yes ethel there is a blog about bathroom keys)

Psycogeek

9:37 AM

The machine while having more information than 3 human brains has no long term memory :-) scribd.com/doc/76548593/Windows-User-Experience the lost pages of windows program design for simplicity :-)

Good reason to have such information drift off into oblivion, when MS themselves no longer follows the rules they set out for others. Which according to thier own (long lost information) would have them loosing customers. And some people wonder why everyone doesnt rush out to pay for the new OS as quickly anymore.

(although i would agree that bathroom keys are of greater importance than Windows new systems :-)

Gergely Buday

9:54 AM

hi there, thanks again for every advice on memory modules, at last a small amount of whisky cured my memory sticks . Now something completely different: I want to set up a home server, for running several OSes. At first I want 16G of RAM but in the long term I would like to spice it up to 32 or 64. What kind of PC would you recommend? Some barebone?

Journeyman Geek

o0

whisky?

Gergely Buday

that was the alcohol I had at home

Journeyman Geek

@GergelyBuday: most modern desktops can easily handle up to 32

Boris_yo

Journeyman Geek

planning on going with a hypervisor or a desktop or server OS with a VM host software on top?

Psycogeek

9:56 AM

@GergelyBuday nothing removes cigar smoke better than a good whiskey right :-)

Boris_yo

Good Evernote. Now compare that to other breached internet resources. Seems like Adobe is their friend/

Gergely Buday

or: a small amount of whisky cures all problems

Journeyman Geek

and what kind of budget are we talking about?

Boris_yo

@GergelyBuday Tried isopropyl?

Gergely Buday

@Boris_yo: I am not a chemical factory

@JourneymanGeek: budget: 500 $ for the barebone including disk, memory is another issue -- is that possible?

Journeyman Geek

9:58 AM

@GergelyBuday: I suspect so

probably might end up going with a core i3 though, and a mini itx

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek that is another question, what base OS I want and what technology, but now I want to settle hw first

Journeyman Geek

@GergelyBuday: I actually think starting with the Base OS and tech is a logical starting point

wierdly enough

If I was building something like that pcpartpicker.com/p/26sXn would be where I'd start

(yeah, I'm cheaping out on the processor, and its 8gb, with room)

hmm

you could probably trade down for a H or B series mother board

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek: OK. So I see the following options: I'm a long time Red Hat -- Fedora user so CentOS as base would be fine with me. OpenStack is famous and infamous at the same time. I hear that it is difficult to set up.

So let me detail what I want: I might have customers who want me to develop for X opsys with some Y database, not necessarily open source. I want to have the most obvious combinations installed to some virtual machines, to be easily started. At the same time only a couple opsys would run. What technology would you recommend?

Journeyman Geek

@GergelyBuday: will you be running multiple OSes at once, all the time, or one or two at a time, when developing?

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek: only

Journeyman Geek

10:06 AM

the latter? ;p

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek: only a couple, possibly a web server for all the time and another for students

Journeyman Geek

virtualbox or vmware workstation on top of fedora is not a bad idea

Gergely Buday

how about openvz?

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Do they sell parts too?

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek wouldn't centos be better, having LTS? I'm fed up with upgrading Fedora

Journeyman Geek

10:17 AM

@GergelyBuday: thats exactly what I hate about centos

and openvz is kind of limited

its great for running a shitload of vms of the same OS

but If you want flexibility, a 'proper' vm >> containers

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek: a proper vm and containers? sorry I do not understand this

and what about kvm?

Journeyman Geek

KVM is fine

a proper vm virtualises the whole system, down to hardware. openvz and other 'container' based vms run parts of an OS instance on top of the host's kernel

so you can't run, say, a windows install atop openvz

I'm just more familiar with virtualbox and vmware

Journeyman Geek

10:34 AM

ooh

SWEET

this has a built in nzb client

Psycogeek

@OliverSalzburg Ooooh , nice answer there. superuser.com/a/679285/98855 I always wondered about that. Had one program that oddly acted different when closing vias its menu file/Exit, vrses using the [X] . I wanted to comment "nice answer" but that is strictly discouraged :-)

Boris_yo

@allquixotic Do you forbid me to marry?

Hennes

@Boris_yo Yes, you re only allowed to marry someone from SU. Inother news, we need more female geeks on this channel

Boris_yo

@Hennes ;)

Let's start Bing and AdWords campaigns.

Hennes

I want the kind of woman who blocks Google Adwords.

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Also, what has the sound of an windows error to do with this ;-)

Boris_yo

10:44 AM

eh?

double eh

Oliver Salzburg

@Psycogeek Thanks. I extended it a couple of time as well ;D

Hennes

Hmm, faling to find the youtube movie about bing

Gergely Buday

@JourneymanGeek: thanks -- and, can I run a Windows 8 installation over kvm and use it via some remote desktop software?

Journeyman Geek

I do believe so!

Hennes

11:04 AM

Gergely Buday

@Hennes, is there a stack exchange site for alien abduction?

Hennes

I am tempted to mention area51 ;-)

Gergely Buday

yeah I know that

but, joke aside, isn't stack exchange usenetising? when I suggested a new site some time ago it was fiercely opposed, but now very special interests gain site status, and then nobody is using them

Journeyman Geek

to an extent

but then again, I'm usually in SU, SF or MSO so, I'd notice less

Gergely Buday

superuser, serverfault and what is mso?

Hennes

11:14 AM

tin -r <-- Reads news.

Meta StupidOverflow

Journeyman Geek

@GergelyBuday: meta.stackoverflow

Hennes

Stack Overflow is really the sewer of the S.E. sites.

and mSITE is usually Meta Site

Journeyman Geek

which in 6-8 weeks will be split into meta.stackexchange and meta.stackoverflow

that is to say, never.

Gergely Buday

right, I see

Psycogeek

@Hennes Compression = "Space" exploration, makes complete sence to me :-)

Hennes

11:26 AM

Lets use hzip (Heisenberg zip)

Psycogeek

Gads! "Ok, just in case anyone else has this problem, the drivers aksdf.sys and hardlock.sys from Aladdin Knowledge Systems was causing these pools to leak for every process started. Removing them has fixed this particular leak."" That thing is for my Dongle for my $600 program. Another DRMsaster

Ooooh that makes me soooo angry, how many times thier *#^@% protection systems have costs me more time than thier programs original value. Macrovision Slave.

More times (all of which I remember) This stuff has acted more like : They gave me the remote key to my new car $$, and everytime I push the Unlock button, the Drivers seat ejects 100 feet into the air.

Hennes

12:38 PM

mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted: /run

What is the error?

Tempted to answer that the problem is that the filesystem /run could not be mounted

0

Q: Is there an easier way to install package newer than in repositories (CENTOS)

I'm on CentOS 6.4 and I want to install newest stable version of gtk+. So I got gtk+ from their website, but after running ./configure it starts crying about loads of dependencies that are installed, but have a lower version than needed and these are most recent on centos repositories. Is there ...

The answer is worth upvoting.

allquixotic

Humble Bundle game "Ridiculous Fishing" for Android is pretty fun

Journeyman Geek

12:56 PM

damn it @allquixotic ;p

allquixotic

?

:))

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was avoiding getting that bundle

I'm spending too much money this month, though largely on things I need ;p

fancy keypad notwidstanding

allquixotic

It's a funny silly game fairly addictive ;$

I get it. Well what would 5 more bucks hurt

Journeyman Geek

lol

I have no cash in paypal it seems.

oops

I'll top up and get it

(course, I haven't actually spent any of this month's allowance yet)

Psycogeek

1:18 PM

Well i screwed that up. in win7 Anybody know what service is required for the Magnify tool? I figured it was integrated into the DWM. hmm, and it aint tablet services. Tough one.

Gergely Buday

if I set up a machine with kvm but allowing login only on the VMs from the network, allowing login to the base OS only from console, then what can be exploited to break in to my system?

Gowtham

Psycogeek

1:33 PM

If only i could , , maybe magnify used the remote dektop, because that would make sence, being on the local desktop.

allquixotic

2:08 PM

I don't think remote "dektop" would work very well ;)

allquixotic

2:31 PM

Braiam

@Hennes does /run exist?

what is the exact entry in fstab?

Gowtham

2:49 PM

Two crucial unix sysadmin tools, cat and screen http://t.co/6SbpP8qb1M

Tweeted by andrew_clegg on November 21, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Braiam

3:04 PM

and the question everyone was asking: Why does Luke Skywalker flail his lightsaber around like a moron?

Hennes

3:27 PM

It was this question. And my first guess is that /run existed... on a not-yet-decrypted volume.

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Q: lxc-start: filesystem could not be mounted: /run

I have installed lxc in ubuntu server, every thing was working fine. Today I have updated lxc from version 0.7.5 to version 1.0.0.alpha2. After I update lxc, I am unable to start lxc containers. lxc-ls: ContainerOne containerTwo ContainerThree. I have created these containers in version 0.7.5...

ubuntu mount

A man blames strange pods for replacing everyone he knows with emotionless impostors. Eventually he caves and goes to the Apple store.

Tweeted by HardSciFiMovies on November 22, 2013 at 2:06 PM

Gergely Buday

hi there, according to unix.stackexchange.com/questions/61919/… it is impossible to mount an iso9660 pendrive in read-write mode -- is that trure?

Hennes

Let me read that...

Yes and no.

YOu can not mount (windows, unix or anywhere) ISO 9660 without changing the filesystem.
ISO9660 is not designed to be changed on the run.

That is the no part.

There are two 'but' s

Gergely Buday

I listen

Hennes

1) You can use an overlay filesystem. That other FS is RW and changes will be written to that. The user will see the CDROM/ISO base image with changes applied. As far as the user can tell he is writing to the CDROM/ISO FS

Gergely Buday

how can I create an overlay filesystem?

Hennes

3:40 PM

2) You can create a new ISO FS. Take the old one. Add changes. Dump the old. Write the new. There is at least one windows program which does that smooth enough that you do not realise that this is happening,

Gergely Buday

I use Linux, is there a program there?

Hennes

Plug to one of my answers, including link mentioning unionFS:

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A: Mounting an ISO image with readwrite permission

ISO 9660 (CD images) are not designed for writing. The entire filesystem is designed for efficient read only access. If you want to change part of an .iso you have three options: Copy all data. Change the copy. Generate a new iso file. If the iso is part of a multi-session CD, you can add new ...

Gergely Buday

thanks, so UnionFS is the answer, Knoppix uses that

Journeyman Geek

iirc unionfs may have been replaced by aufs

Boris_yo

3:55 PM

"incarnation" - in car nation

nation in car?

Hennes

That is a small nation if it fits in a car.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Lindy?

Hennes

Nope, but you need to look closely to see that it is not her.

And my Lindy is not allowed where I prepare food.

Which means she will not be found there as long as I am home.

Boris_yo

@Hennes Looks overfed...

@Hennes And as long as you are not? You should install surveillance in your kitchen.

Hennes

Knowing cats in general: They do whatever they please and their human slaves better get used to it.

slhck

4:02 PM

How cool is that… superuser.com/users/tag-future/current

Hennes

I prefer question tagged windows 8. If preferred means "I had it excluded for most of the time", then yes

slhck

So it's completely off for you?

@Psycogeek Don't forget to post your answer there: superuser.com/questions/678860/…

Hennes

It was until a month or two ago

2

4:16 PM

Good one.

allquixotic

@Hennes cute kitty :)

Braiam

@Hennes boat question?

Hennes

Milli's kitten (someone I am mostly following for her statements on womans rights)

@Braiam Not sure what the OP thought when that got posted on a space exploration site. And not even a problem, just "Hi, I am curious. Tell me this. Oh, and please include details'.

I need to get some more rep so I can burn questions like that.

Braiam

"AskDifferent" is about "asking differen questions"... D:

Hennes

Whoops. rejected a non review test with "the wire synergize hyperhyperlocal Tumblr, tablets do what you do best and link to review question"

Jimmy Hoffa

4:22 PM

@Braiam "Ask Different" is the single worst, stupidest name for any SE site. Hands down.

slhck

Well, it's not so bad to be honest.

Ask Ubuntu does not make sense to me.

Braiam

ne, ne "What do I need to do in order to be a programmer out at sea?"?????

Jimmy Hoffa

@Braiam 80's bank or stock market cobol. That's the only sea-programmer story I heard. Couldn't under any circumstances get rid of the coder because of how important the code they knew was, so coder bought a house boat, bought a satellite, got satellite internet wherever they want traveling the world.

(this actually occurred starting around the early 90's so more interestingly the coder would send their patches over the satellite at like 2800 baud)

Braiam

ouch...

Jimmy Hoffa

@Braiam Ouch? "Damn this 2800 baud, I'll be in St. Vincents by the time this patch sends..." Yeah, "ouch"

allquixotic

4:29 PM

@JimmyHoffa in modern lingo this is called "single point of failure", and people who are identified as single points of failure are usually canned, and the company just deals with the fallout, because it's less painful to rewrite whatever it is so that more than 1 person can understand it, than to accept that "if Bob has a heart attack, our business goes under"

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek This audience. Who are they? You relatives, friends?

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic It varies. And that's one term but bus factor tends to be a more frequent term because it kind of has double meanings

allquixotic

now they don't necessarily can the person before they've been able to write some kind of decent replacement, but sometimes they will

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Company-by-company this varies. You speak as though the company has thoughtful management trying to think through the problem, which commonly is not the case. Commonly they're just brain dead MBA grads who figure programmers are all interchangeable

Tell me you know the term bus factor in this context though? It's one of the more entertaining industry slangs.

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa well I was at a pretty darn backwater company in the mid-2000s (defense/civil govt contractor) and they were throwing around "single point of failure" like a cussword

@JimmyHoffa yeah I know it

Jimmy Hoffa

4:32 PM

@allquixotic heh well it must have just been their favorite buzz word, every management org's got some favorite pet problem

allquixotic

their solution to SPOF issues was to (1) ask the person identified as a SPOF to train someone else in whatever special knowledge they have, thus eliminating the SPOF and (similarly) increasing the bus factor to 2, which is 50% better than a bus factor of 1; or (2) if the person won't cooperate, hire an intern to learn the system and either rewrite it or teach it to other people

Jimmy Hoffa

gives form to their fears which makes them less scary, gives them something to focus on so they can think they're solving problems rather than just feeling like problems are mounting in all directions formlessly

allquixotic

all the senior management was allergic to SPOF, probably because they got burned by it in the recent past

they were really under the perception that the only truly adaptable, fast learners out there were young interns, so they ended up hiring interns reasonably often (as available) to help hoist them out of SPOF issues

it helps that interns are naive enough and inexperienced enough to not understand business boundaries, so they have almost no qualms about just walking into some random manager's office and asking questions

which can be all it takes to break through what a veteran would perceive as a brick wall

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Yeah, plausibly. I worked one place where I was the SPOF; after I left they literally couldn't get anything done for 2 months I heard from some folks, I raised the issue with them countless times and they always said "Yeah uh we're looking for someone, promise", after hearing that nonsense for about a year I split. Was almost naive enough to have believed them then.

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa all the places where I've worked have different "siloed" departments whose technical job description pretty much requires them to work together, but in practice, they're bitter enemies, and communicate with each other as little as possible, and in the most inefficient ways

an intern can effectively traverse the silos with high bandwidth and convey information back and forth without even understanding the degree of hostility, hence no one even gets mad at him, because he's "the new guy"

without them, the only way the silos would talk to one another would be if both silos' common manager (usually some executive) holds a meeting and invites both parties

Jimmy Hoffa

4:37 PM

@allquixotic This speaks very well to why balance in organizations is important which is often missed. Nuance is a bit difficult for MBAs when they're taught to maximize maximize maximize which means they're likely to attach to one thing which they think has maximal return, plus their constant fear of risk stopping them from deviating from what seems to work. I worked one place that hired exclusively fresh college grads for 2 decades, they finally decided "this might not be working" and brought

allquixotic

I've been that intern before, carrying information back and forth

Jimmy Hoffa

me and a couple other seniors in. It was unresolvably fucked, all 4 of us seniors left within a year of being brought in.

Meanwhile hiring only seniors is it's own can of worms, suddenly nobody does the janitorial work and people end up in analysis paralysis sometimes, all sorts of problems can arise there.

Company's need to understand the nuance and value in having a mix, but rarely do they.

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa also, I don't know if you've experienced this before, but in my current org, which has a very long and storied history, there are certain departments -- departments which, based on their official pecking order, shouldn't have any particular power or sway over the others -- which have somehow acquired insane levels of technical supervisory power over other departments, pretty much able to impact their workflow on a whim

we have one department that's basically responsible for ensuring that all the workstations on the network are "secure", and as part of that, they're basically free to decide that any tool that another department might've installed to do their job, is "malware", or "untrusted", or "unofficial", and remove it without notice

and they don't communicate or work with the other departments to help them understand when there are legitimate threats and when the tools are truly needed for peoples' jobs

even things which have officially been licensed and purchased through the purchasing system sometimes get removed

Jimmy Hoffa

@allquixotic Stuff like that is often the result of years of bureaucracy and politicking which results in odd things bit by bit building up, the most common defense that stops this is siloing so that one section doesn't account outside except in very minimal ways, and then you don't let that section grow large enough to have these oversized power complexes, but siloing has it's own rather large can of worms, not the least of which being inefficiency

allquixotic

@JimmyHoffa we're extremely siloed, except that one particular silo (a very small one, at that, and not in any way directly reporting to the higher ups) has the technical authorization to arbitrarily reach into the systems of any other silo and do anything they want in the name of security

without even communicating with that silo to understand whether the perceived problem is a problem at all

Jimmy Hoffa

4:43 PM

I worked in a very nice silo once where we had dev/qa/one marketting guy. It wasn't too huge, and the rest of the overarching company (60k employee international conglomerate) had barely any effect inside of our little space. But IT and HR were outside of our silo and hiring had to be done exclusively through external recruiters because of this; HR basically refused to hire for us because they had no play in our power structure whatsoever

allquixotic

lol

it'd make a lot more sense I think for each component to have its own "security guy" who's responsible for securing the systems within that silo, because at least then, the middle managers at the top of each component silo could work with their security guy and give him a list of software they need to operate, and explain the software and get permission to run it

Jimmy Hoffa

Moral of the story, I'm glad to be a producer so I don't have to deal with all of that shit except in the periphery... The poor sods who thought they were being smart getting their MBA or some other skillset that makes them just an actor in the bureaucracy trying to generate value through affecting the overall organization rather than a producer who generates value by simply plying their craft... Those sad folks probably had no idea what they were getting themselves into

allquixotic

better yet, make that security guy's direct hiring manager the general manager of the silo, instead of having him report to the IT silo

Gowtham

4:57 PM

Interesting nickcraver.com/blog/2013/11/22/…

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SE network is run on fewer servers than I speculated

Jimmy Hoffa

@Gowtham It's pretty surprising how much compute power you can realize in modern server hardware when you actually have decent engineers who know how to not just waste system resources like they're going out of style...

(and anybody who thinks SE doesn't have those engineers has lost their frickin mind)

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