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Joe
9:05 PM
trying to figure out those files now... trying and failing
 
@Joe where does it install when you run make install?
you can just zip up the directory it installs to unless it's /usr/bin
or like ./configure blahblahblah --prefix=/somewhere/that/doesnt/exist then do your install to that dir then zip that dir up
@Mokubai Hey, making the TR proud?
 
@joe is the "other machine" running the same OS?
and/or has the same libraries installed?
 
Joe
yes
 
I would recommend packing it up into a package for the system package manager and distributing it that way
much easier to install/uninstall later
 
Aye.
 
9:19 PM
@DarthAndroid you mean making a brain .dmg? this is OS X we're talking
 
Joe
aye
so im a 100% complete begginer to fink
just been making progress today
looking to take that home to my other machine
and pick this up after
 
Oh. OH
Why not use homebrew or whatever the OS X package manager is?
 
@DarthAndroid does homebrew ship wine?
(from the name you'd think it would)
 
Homebrewn wine?
 
lol
 
9:21 PM
whoops, no, they have their own packages
Wine for Darwin (OS X)
Already is packed as a *.dmg
and I believe it includes an X server and everything else you need as well
haven't used it in a while
 
yup, that's what you want.
 
bah, i googled Network Level Authentication (NLA) -- just the acronym -- and got National Limousine Association
I don't care about rich peoples' enlarged vehicles
I want to know about technology
 
And for many other GNU/Linux utilities that you want on OS X, get homebrew and then you can brew install <appliction> much the same you use apt-get on a linux system.
I think there's also macports.
 
Why not google on wine?
 
9:25 PM
If I put my router sitting on my PC case, am I risking my data?
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Only if someone steals your router.
(Aka, no. )
 
If you connect it with some good, solid, large iron magnets: yes. ;)
 
I have read this but it talks only about magnets: superuser.com/questions/113430/…
IIRC wifi routers use microwave
 
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What contracts?
 
9:29 PM
> chips
 
> dogfish
 
If you connect it to the desktop, nicely near the HDD and with a strong enough magnet then it is not the router I am worried about.
 
> catfish
 
ON a less joking level: If yuu put a router on any metal object (desktop, tower, whatever) then you are probably blocking part of its signal.
 
@Braiam With lots of traps so they might just die and you won't have to deal with them anymore
 
9:34 PM
fish and chips
 
@Hennes What if I put it in a drawer in my kitchen and shut the drawer? :)
 
Which material is the drawer made from?
 
@Hennes engineered particulate form
 
Seriously, if you usea microwave (2.GHz) router then metal and water (read: humans) will block the signal
Not sure about 5GHz
 
@Hennes it's in a drawer....under my fish tank :D
 
9:36 PM
Just for the record: I am serious about 2.4GHz and water
And thus by extension humans (about 99% water).
Both block the 2.4GHz b/g bands
 
@Hennes Is n a different band?
so if I eat my router it will stop working?
 
You have 2.4 GHz and 5.0GHz. A uses 5.0 GHz. B and G use 2.4. N can use both, so it depends on your setup.
 
@JimmyHoffa you meant money traps, but ok
 
@Braiam No, I mean designs that might cause them to accidentally fall in a hole filled with rabid pufferfish or where doors covered in arsenic jump out in front of them as if to say "grab my handle and open me to continue"
 
ohhh
 
9:41 PM
@Hennes It's dual band, or in this case...not... :) I should probably move it away from my fish tank then.
 
Oh hey @allquixotic. Sorry, kept meaning to pop back in game but not had much time lately with trying to get house sorted. Hopefully be able to play again soon.
 
@Mokubai no prob
I've been back into Skyrim lately
 
Bob
eww
what the hell Adobe
now the Flash player update opens some random web page that looks like absolute shit
 
I was thinking about maybe buying a ship with lifetime insurance (LTI) in Star Citizen, but then.... $240 O_O
!!tell $240 no
 
9:46 PM
@allquixotic been meaning to replay that too :-)
 
@Mokubai mine is heavily modded :D
 
@Bob glad it wasn't just me that got that rather crap update. It's almost like they're trying to remind us that we're still using their shite plugin
 
magicka sabers (awesome), destruction magic overhaul, a few of my custom tweaks such as an unlimited staff of firebolt, Midas' magic, all the official DLCs, high resolution texture pack, the infamous "AP" mod, etc.
 
@allquixotic mine is moderately modded, just some cough aesthetic improvements...
 
@Mokubai you're using CBBE. admit it
 
Bob
9:48 PM
@Mokubai Can't wait for Shumway.
In fact, I'd start contributing... if it wasn't for the crazy build requirements.
 
@Bob judging from the progress (or lack thereof) in Gnash and Lightspark, you might be waiting a long, long time
 
@allquixotic Who? Me? Why would I use such a thing?
 
Bob
Why do I need to have the build environment for the whole of Firefox just to build what is essentially a JS-based add-on??
 
@Bob meh, get emscripten and build firefox as one gigantic .js file, then you can yo dawg firefox inside firefox with flash inside the interior one, and debug it in pure JS
 
Bob
@allquixotic It's working well for basic movies and decently for some games, and it's under active development (last commit 8 hours ago, and another 16 hours ago)
 
9:50 PM
wonder how well ff would run inside chrome, or the reverse ;D
 
Bob
> Thank you and enjoy Adobe Flash Player.
Here is another product that might interest you.
!!tell 12274852 no
 
@Bob I saw that too, and immediately closed the browser
 
A flash replacement?! Urgh. Might as well just gouge your eyes out and have done with.
 
@Mokubai a flash replacement implemented in JS
to supplement the extremely buggy PDF.js implemented also in JS
 
Bob
9:51 PM
@allquixotic It's actually halfway usable now.
For smaller/simpler documents anyway.
 
Oh dear god no
 
apparently Mozzarella's goal these days is to rewrite highly performance-sensitive code in a generally poorly optimized dynamic language and miss about 1,000 edge cases causing incorrect rendering etc
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it makes sense, from a COBOL programmer's perspective: I mean, JS is better than COBOL
 
@Bob read as "almost no document I can use to do my job"
 
@Mokubai exactly
and "halfway usable" means "ready for general release" in Mozzarella land
what, are they hoping people will file thousands of bugs submitting PDF attachments "this doesn't work, plz implement"? is that going to improve the quality of the software? no -- it's just going to lead to user frustration, and a lot of people abandoning the software if they can't figure out a way to disable PDF.js
 
Bob
@Mokubai Funnily enough, it works pretty much exclusively on documents related to my job.
 
9:54 PM
not that anybody's going to look at the damn bugs, anyway
 
I already disable that crap at work as most technical documents read like shite in FF, and now with needing 3D PDFs it's even worse
 
Bob
(yes, I tend to encounter more complex documents outside)
 
3D PDFs? what are you doing at work? I don't want to know
 
One of our cooler metalwork providers uses them so you can see if there's going to be manufacturing problems, you send them a step model and get back a quote and a PDF showing you a simulation of the drilling
 
@allquixotic 3D PDF: Step 3' from your screen, blur your focus a little bit, now quickly blink your eyes alternating from one to the other while imagining the colors green and cyan
 
9:56 PM
one thing Adobe deserves credit for is rivaling Microsoft in the inscrutability of their proprietary file formats, making them as hard as .doc or .mdb to reverse engineer, with or without specifications and working reference software
@JimmyHoffa that's called LSD, and no
 
By 3d PDF I mean basic 3D models, not the special glasses type 3D....
 
!! s/3D/2.5D/
 
@allquixotic By 3d PDF I mean basic 2.5D models, not the special glasses type 3D.... (source)
 
Bob
@allquixotic I think some electronics (PCB design/IC spec) documents do that.
 
But yeah, PDF.js sucks arse for complicated documents
@allquixotic :-P
 
10:00 PM
@Mokubai if Adobe decides to maintain PPAPI variants of Acrobat Reader browser plugin and Flash, and not NPAPI variants, Firefox might find itself almost forced to support PPAPI, as much as they hate the idea of doing so
 
What means 100MBps symmetrical?
 
@allquixotic Wiki states that Linux versions will use ppapi, but nothing about Windows, presumably support is easier there?
 
100 Mbit link, with 100Mbit speed for both up and downloads.
 
@Boris_yo 100mbps in both directions, as opposed to 100 down and 20 up...
 
10:04 PM
E.g no weird asymetric rules as often seen on ADSL modems
 
Bob
@Hennes "often seen" => "as defined"
 
As defined but with no technical reason?
 
Bob
ADSL => Asymmetric DSL
 
as far as I know you could just as well have a 10/10 ADSL connection.
 
@Mokubai PPAPI works on any platform
 
10:07 PM
@Hennes Then that would be SDSL
 
Bob
@Hennes Nope.
The standards define max downstream and upstream rates.
 
Which is the same product. Just configured differently and given a different name (and a different price abd business oriented)
 
The "a" is specifically "asymetric"
 
Bob
You have other DSLs, too, like VDSL and VDSL2.
 
Oh, fun!
This could be my favourite lecture slide ever. If male avatars were designed like the worst female examples... http://t.co/iWBIj3MHZk
I forgot I need to manually remove the s in httpS when copy and pasting a twitter link.
On the same note:
 
10:39 PM
> this wasn't a link-only answer
If that wasn't a link-only answer, then what is?
 
probability of this not being Obama's handwriting?
 
obama.ttf
 
My answer got migrated and so my SuperUser rep is less than 500! :(
 
@OliverSalzburg why would a 26k user provide a link-only answer?
 
10:46 PM
@allquixotic He wrote the original in 2010
 
ah :D
 
Heeey uhm. Maybe someone would have advice for me. See, I have this really really old TV. From the 1990s. The only data input it has is a screw-in thing. Like, uhm. For cable. not sure how that thing is called. And my sister would be bringing me our joint Wii for Christmas since she hasn't been using it. And I need to get the Wii's RCA cable to get into my TV. And I don't know how.
 
It's not going to happen
That's like trying to get your Bluray to work with your GameBoy
 
The only methods I can think of are a VCR or a cable box that has an RCA input. I had that before, for my nintendo 64 (the VCR) and more recently the Playstation 2 was plugged into my cable box which included an RCA input. But I removed my cable subscription.
 
Bob
@allquixotic Depends. Is he a medical doctor?
 
10:52 PM
@Bob o.O What?
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank wrong reply
 
I was so confused.
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank ...good job, Google. Good fuckin' job.
 
@Ariane ;)
 
Of course it's possible. It's a simple conversion. If a VCR from the same time can do it, surely there's a way. I'm not looking to convert it for an HDMI cable, just something simple for something old like an RCA cable to something about as old like a TV cable. Dunno the details but I think both are an analog signal. It can't be impossible, but I dunno how.
 
Bob
10:54 PM
...Paint.NET is distributed as an exe inside a zip with 1% compression.
 
@allquixotic Yea. WTF was that??
 
@allquixotic Thanks. Reading that right now.
 
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@Bob brilliant
 
How the heck does that character overstep its line like that? o.o
 
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10:57 PM
@allquixotic Cooome to think of it...... RadioShack? Didn't that thing stop existing about 10 years ago and become The Source?
 
So.. Google is super helpful with figuring out that that character is:
"ส้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้้"... is too long a word. Try using a shorter word.
@Ariane, what do you have to work with?
 
Bob
@MichaelFrank There's a SU question or five on that :P
 
@MichaelFrank Right now? Nothing. I don't even have the Wii yet. Well I have a TV and a coaxial cable coming out of it.
 
Bob
Oh, great! A screenshot (now a broken link) with no text instructions! => forums.getpaint.net/index.php?/topic/…
 
@Bob the best kind :D
 
10:59 PM
@Ariane Plug the coax into any nearby antenna or wall socket, that way the wii enhances the broadcast and or network throughput of whatever circuit it's participating in
 
Bob
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!!tell 12276020 no
 
@JimmyHoffa No uhm. I don't have cable anymore. My TV is presently utterly useless.
 
@Ariane Then it'll just enhance your houses internal throughput
 
11:01 PM
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My house? The hell are you talking about?
 
@Ariane he's a troll
 
Explains things.
 
@allquixotic I'm not a troll, I just make things up sometimes for my own amusement.
 
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11:02 PM
Though I will admit, goat is tasty... hrmm perhaps I've been all wrong about myself
 
@allquixotic So if I understand well, what I need is an RF modulator?
 
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@Ariane ...the article knows more than i do about this old stuff.
 
@allquixotic Thing is, the article is using lots of terms I don,t really understand... and to begin with it's not so clear to me.
 
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@Ariane :/
 
@Ariane is back?? HI!
 
11:18 PM
@CanadianLuke Heh, hi. I didn't die, I've just been busier.
 
Oh phew, I was getting worried
 
@CanadianLuke worried that she got married, maybe
(see pin)
 
@allquixotic I pinned it for you, lol
 
uh... I pinned it myself
 
Oh nevermind... Yea, you're right
I was thinking something in the FL chat...
I need sleep
 
11:20 PM
Lol.
 
I can't WAIT to eat this bagel! :D
Yes you can. >:|
....Yeah, I guess you're right. :(
 
Hey. I'm googling the two numbers on the back on my TV. 0 results. Does it mean that my TV is so old it's not in any list anywhere, or do I have the wrong numbers?
 
@Ariane no idea :<
 
@Ariane RF input only , a TV only tv . need RF modulator. Rf modulator turns audio video signal into channels 3 or 4 , so normal tv only device can "tune" it. They were not cheap items, but you could get a used one cheap enough.
 
@Psycogeek What does RF mean actually?
 
11:25 PM
Psycogeek is exactly who you need to talk to in order to fix this problem @Ariane :D
he knows everything about 90s tech hehe
 
@Ariane Radio frequency. oddly enough, just on the other side of that connection (in the tv) they will be returning it quite quickly right back to analog video and audio again :-(
 
Hey uhm. How can I tell whether my TV can handle 60 Hz signals? Apparently some old TVs can't, because they're 50 Hz.
 
@Ariane What country your in would determine the video "system" used normally. NTSC PAL SECAM and a few other lesser used.
 
Bob
@Ariane You probably found the serial number :P
Model numbers tend to be shorter, if that means anything.
 
@Psycogeek Probably NTSC. Canada.
 
Bob
11:29 PM
@Psycogeek General rule: America and Japan are NTSC, Europe and Australia are PAL, France (I think?) is SECAM.
Oh, and Russia is also SECAM.
And half of South America is PAL.
 
most tvs in the last 20 years were multi system tho
 
Too bad, my TV is from 1992.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek And for half that time they were digital :P
@Ariane I'd star that if I could.
 
@Bob I have "Serial number", which is 57106520, and a mysterious number without a name, PL532360.
 
Bob
(Mobile chat only lets you star what others have already)
 
11:30 PM
Heh.
 
Bob
@Ariane That second one does look a bit like a model.
@Ariane do you have a brand?
 
Sanyo.
 
Bob
(maybe it's an obscure "store b-nevermind
@Ariana sure there aren't any other words or numbers on the label?
 
@Bob Lemme go check again but I don't think so.
 
@Ariane Also an old VCR or an older DVDrecorder, Digital to analog cable boxes, all had Ways to output to an "analog channel"
 
11:33 PM
@Psycogeek Yeah, I know. If it's cheaper and still exists I'll look into getting a VCR.
 
@Bob "November 1992" and "Printed in Canada".
 
most TVS should do composite.
 
Bob
heh. so much for model numbers
 
If yours didn't I'd be worried
 
11:34 PM
Composite?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek only those in a specific purchase period
oh wait
thought you said component
I always get those mixed
 
All I can tell you is that my TV can only have two cables coming out of it. Power and coaxial.
 
Bob
though, really cheap modern TVs might be HDMI-only :P
 
@Bob: out TV is composite, co-ax and.... VGA ;p
640 x 480 too.....
BUT its plasma which makes up for everything else.
 
What the hell. Someone made a PLASMA TV but gave it such a small resolution?
 
11:37 PM
composite = the luma and croma tossed together to one connection, often a RCA, or BNC. (Composite/composed/thrashed together) Component = Multiple wires carrying the seperate signals (seperate components) How to remember it.
 
I think there's a chance I've never seen a composite cable then. I've always seen three-cable things.
 
thats a composite cable. A component cable is ... 6 cables
@Ariane: was fine for its time
 
Then it's not one connection, it's 3. o.o
 
and seriously, its a TV not a monior, and does standard definition properly.
and it was pretty well made. I don't remember how old it is.
 
Heeeey.
But I might be looking this up without needing to.
 
11:44 PM
you might be.
rule of thumb for me is TVs usually work fine in the country you bought them at ;)
 
I played my playstation 2 on this TV , back when I had a cable box with a three-cable input on it. Is a PS2 60 Hz too?
 
radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103095 $30 i would rather upgrade the tv item.
 
@Psycogeek I never knew TVs were this cheap.
 
@Ariane I can send you a few that will connect via S-video or RCA video, if you can afford the $75 shipping :-) Many of these Analog things are being "recycled"
 
Lol, that's expensive.
I may have 600 $ in bank right now but I haven't bought any Christmas clothes and I'm in dire need of new clothes.
 
11:49 PM
@Ariane costs me $25 to throw them out :-)
 
Christmas gifts *
Ohoooo. I may have something here. saguenay.kijiji.ca/…
 
The PlayStation 2 may natively output video using any of the following standards: composite video, S-Video, RGB, VGA (for progressive scan games and PS2 Linux only), YPBPR component video (which display most PS1 games in their native 240i mode which most HDTV sets don't support), and D-Terminal. Cables are available for all of these signal types; these cables also output analog stereo audio. Additionally, an RF modulator is available for the system to connect to older TVs.
|discontinued = |CPU = 128-bit "Emotion Engine" clocked at 294.912 MHz (launch), 299 MHz (newer models) |GPU = "Graphics Synthesizer" clocked at 147.456 MHz |media = DVD, CD |storage = *PlayStation 2 memory card 8 megabyte *PlayStation memory card (64 kilobyte/1 megabit) *40 GB Hard Drive (add-on) |RAM = 32 MB of Direct RAMBUS or RDRAM4 MB eDRAM |display = *Composite video *S-Video *RGB **SCART **VGA (progressive scan capable software only) * component video/D-Terminal |connectivity...
 
@Psycogeek And in a language I can understand?
 
There were 3 different models with slightly different hardware, according to that.
@Ariane uhh you were right, you could have connected a PS2 with Component?
 
@Ariane your most likely bet is RGB
 
11:54 PM
RGB? Red green blue? What is that?
@Psycogeek As I said, it was PS2 -> 3-colour cable (think it's RCA) -> cable decoder -> coaxial -> TV.
 
RCA is a vendor :/
 
@Braiam Are they still? Do they even still exist ?
nope
> Defunct 1986
 
@Ariane Ahh, probably then 1Video + 2 stereo audio = 3 wire
 
| |key_people = David Sarnoff, first general manager |products = RCA Photophone Electric phonograph VideodiscRCA televisions }} RCA Corporation, founded as the Radio Corporation of America, was an American electronics company in existence from 1919 to 1986. The RCA trademark is used by Sony Music Entertainment and Technicolor, which licenses the name to other companies such as Audiovox and TCL Corporation for products descended from that common ancestor. Origins Organization by General Electric After World War I began in August 1914, radio traffic across the Atlantic Ocean inc...
 
11:57 PM
@JimmyHoffa I know
 
@Braiam I didn't... I would have guessed they died but, 1986? Wow I wouldn't have placed them off the face of the map that long ago
 
Wow, RCA is the acquisition that gave NBC to GE, never knew
I knew GE owned NBC but RCA owned NBC? Boy how the mighty fall
 

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