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12:06 AM
@JimmyHoffa cool, I think I am going to use that pronounciation of it, that is sweet (or sour). I still dont know how to say S.A.T.A. thats the Search Aliens Traveleing Anywhere? Oh wait thata SETI.
 
Bob
> Enabling this option will make the kernel automatically set NXF_SINGLE_IP for contexts which have only one IP address (note: a loopback address does not count). (TODO: add a link here to a page that explains what NXF_SINGLE_IP does, or briefly explain it here.)
o.O
@allquixotic Do you happen to have a link to a better explanation?
Google's getting increasingly useless these days :\
not sure how it managed to translate "automatic single ip special casing" to "integer programming" (without quotes)
 
@Bob er....
basically...
if you bind to 0.0.0.0:22 in either two guests, or the guest and the physical host, only one of them will succeed, the other will say port already in use, unless you enable that option
if you aren't convinced, ask bertl on IRC
 
Bob
@allquixotic what happens when you enable that option? they both succeed... and?
 
@Bob they both succeed, and each one listens on its own assigned IP
 
Bob
12:21 AM
ah
 
which is what you really want, but the virtual ethernet interface in linux-vserver isn't as isolated as it is in something like VirtualBox for various reasons
 
Bob
then why is it disabled by default? o.O
 
I don't think you can packet capture another VM's traffic though
that's one of the areas where vserver beats out LXC
 
Bob
I was actually looking at this earlier: linux-vserver.org/Networking_vserver_guests
 
as far as guest virtual NIC isolation, OpenVZ has the most, vserver has some, and LXC has none
 
Bob
12:22 AM
probably stick the vservers behind NAT to save some IPs
 
@Bob: ipv6! ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek my ISP does not offer that
 
 
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1:30 AM
The skype app on Windows 8 doesn't auto start does it?
 
@Bob Next time just do tar xf ...; the other parameter is determined from the extension, the verbose parameter you barely need (if you do, consider tar tf ... instead).
 
1:53 AM
@JourneymanGeek finally?
anyone knows a "good" (aka usable and cheap) AP clients?
 
@Braiam: I'm told tplink makes some nice ones
@Braiam: 'AP client' ?
 
@JourneymanGeek Go figure. You'd think MS would make it auto start as a service when they pulled the messenger app.
 
@JourneymanGeek access point client, the kind that you can connect to a preexisting wireless
 
>_>
and then plug in devices over ethernet?
 
yeah...
 
1:59 AM
maybe something with ddwrt/openwrt?
 
whoa whoa
ddwrt? what's this?
oh. AP client.
 
nah, tplinks has some that have [ap function... ](staples.com/office/supplies/…)
 
yawn. on my way home.
 
though, in that role you can get something cheaper and crappier without gig-e
@allquixotic: no, we're not discussing ipv6 on os/2 ;p
(THAT should wake you up ;p)
 
I don't want a cable crossing to the next building :(
 
2:00 AM
screaming in horror... but...
@Braiam: if its for a single system, there's USB wifi adaptors with built in directional antennas
 
I have one, but only got up to G... and 1 client... so I have to NAT D:
@JourneymanGeek mmm...
 
I was tempted to get one off my preferred crapgadget vendor but I spent too much on hardware this month XD
 
@JourneymanGeek there is not such thing as "spent too much on hw this month"... there's always for another gadget >:D
 
lol
@Braiam: 350 dollars on a dremel, 170 dollars on a orbweaver, another 100 bucks for part of a router
;p
thats more than 4-5 months allowance
(made some money helping dad with some work)
 
2:21 AM
your owners must be worried, huh?
 
lol
naw, most of these were essential stuff
 
3:09 AM
The typical orb-weaver spiders (family Araneidae) are the most common group of builders of spiral wheel-shaped webs often found in gardens, fields and forests. Their common name is taken from the round shape of this typical web, and the taxon was formerly also referred to as the Orbiculariae. Orb-weavers have eight similar eyes, hairy or spiny legs, and no stridulating organs. The Araneidae family is cosmopolitan, including many well-known large or brightly colored garden spiders. The 3,006 species in 168 genera worldwide make Araneidae the third-largest family of spiders known (behind S...
????????
you had to pay $170 to get one of those?
 
3:28 AM
ooh, sweet
 
its SERIOUSLY comfortable
but needs a load of tweaking
 
3:48 AM
@JourneymanGeek oh. so what's jokingly comfortable? :P
OMG! EVERYONE SHOULD GO BUY THIS NOW store.steampowered.com/app/251610/?snr=1_5_9__205
 
@allquixotic already got it, isnt that the one where you dance with ken to get points to furnish the house, then you get pregnant, and for the next 8 months of gameplay it makes you barf in the morning?
I got up to 608 Pairs of shoes , on level 28.
 
@allquixotic really??
@Psycogeek REALLY???
 
The game really peaks though with the DLC content "favors" With a few phone calls, you get the men lined up outside. For some reason the money starts really rolling into the Dream House.
 
@Psycogeek I totally agree! :D
 
4:53 AM
!!tell 12260265 no
 
just saw that
 
5:05 AM
rofl
 
I'm attempting something very challenging
writing a gstreamer based media player for Android
 
So...
If I delete a directory
And the kernel maxes out all 8 cores on a Xeon
 
@DarthAndroid what are you using, software RAID6 with btrfs?
 
o0
is this repeatable?
 
just ZFS, actually
 
5:16 AM
not sure what ZFS's behavior on delete is
 
@JourneymanGeek We'll see when I delete the /data/media/TV Shows directory next!
 
I just attempted to nuke the /data/media/Movies folder
since ZFS is stupid and can't de-dedup in place
 
last time I looked at benchmarks, reiserfs and ext4 were like "OK." when you tell it to delete a directory; XFS was like "umm... ok" and btrfs was like "hmm, give me 10 minutes to think about that... I'll have to delete each directory individually"
 
@DarthAndroid: dedup might do it
(sadly, the best dedup implimentation I've seen is on windows)
its not online tho
 
5:18 AM
I'm removing dedup
 
thats a good idea
 
they forgot the "THIS WILL NUKE YOUR PERFORMANCE INTO THE GROUND" warning
 
dedup isn't very useful unless you have a ssd cache for it
 
well, I have an SSD cache for it
the problem is that it requires insane memory
 
in which case, someone somewhere got goofed up
 
5:19 AM
My dedup tables consumed more than 8GB of RAM
 
something like a gig per tb?
 
and much, much more of disk
No, anywhere from 1-5GB ram per TB
So... I turned of dedup, but existing data is still deduped, and I was still missing out on 8gb of memory
 
com.allquixotic.audioquixotic
something seems redundant
 
On the bright side... My array can now sequential write at more than 550MB/s to platter disks
and I can't wait to test read speeds
Juuuust as soon as the kernel unfreezes...
Aaaaany second now...
@allquixotic Is "allquixotic.com" your domain, and "audioquixotic" the name of your application / library?
 
5:24 AM
lol
IIRC its how android apps are named
 
@DarthAndroid that isn't my domain name, but audioquixotic is my tentative name for my media player ;p
 
well
anything java is named
 
@allquixotic You should change it to a domain you own
 
5:25 AM
meh
 
it's bad form to use someone else's domain :P
 
i'm just doing a proof of concept here to see if this will even work
like, does the damn thing compile
 
(or if you're posting to github, com.github.<username>)
 
AFAIK this is pretty bleeding edge, with lots of blood
Android using gstreamer via gstreamer-java JNA
gonna be one hell of a fucking joy to compile gstreamer and all its deps using NDK
 
Bob
5:32 AM
wait, @allquixotic is still awake? o.O
 
!!tell 12261537 maybe
 
Bob
6:04 AM
oh yea, @allquixotic, compile failed :P
 
@allquixotic wait you told me to do that
and now you are doing it :P
 
@Gowtham ehh?
never said anything about gst
@Bob the compile failed? wut
 
Well i though you were going to try out Pulseaudio ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic well something about the debian make
 
The other guy used gstreamer ;p
So I though you were trying to get Pulseaudio to work with your phone ;p
 
6:06 AM
@Bob were you compiling it the debian way??
@Gowtham no.
 
Bob
@allquixotic yea
still trying to find the error (I left it running in screen, and scrolling up the buffer is a pain)
 
that's your problem
compile it the vanilla way. :P
 
Bob
lol
> ok the problem is most likely that you didn't copy the source file (tarball) into a subdirectory called '/kernel' before you compiled it. There's a line in the makefile that looks for a kernel directory.
wtf
 
did someone 0-day Google's two-factor authentication SMS service?
it just told me my authentication code was 111111
that seems extremely unlikely
 
Bob
o.o
 
6:30 AM
@Gowtham you might care about this
if you haven't seen it already
 
Bob
7:12 AM
@allquixotic Turns out I was missing bc
Why a make command would need advanced math, I have no clue.
 
@Bob it's the Linux kernel
probably someone thought it'd be cute to include some kind of calculus in the build system
 
Bob
@allquixotic Nah, plain make was fine without it.
make-kpkg wasn't.
real    9m48.685s
user    117m37.741s
sys     9m50.485s
:D
Generating grub.cfg ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.10.19-custom-vserver2.3.6.8-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.10.19-custom-vserver2.3.6.8-amd64
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-4-amd64
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64
done
:D
 
noice
i'm so proud of you :X
now make sure you're booting from it
 
Bob
7:27 AM
lol
actually, I just remembered - I probably missed that single IP option the second time around
brb recompiling -_-
 
cool beans
brb intensive sleep
 
Bob
lol
oh yea
could you email me a SSH public key? I'll add it if I can manage to get a container up by the time I sleep
 
7:50 AM
Seems like opening GRE port on router helped to VPN...
 
@allquixotic have already seen it ;p
 
Bob
@allquixotic yup, it boots
root@debian:~# uname -a
Linux debian 3.10.19-vs2.3.6.8-custom-vserver2.3.6.8-amd64 #2 SMP Wed Nov 20 07:33:35 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux
 
8:11 AM
hmm why dont they abbreviate it too? Lisbian :-)
 
8:37 AM
hi there, hw matters can come here?
 
I have 4G of memory and memtest told me of having 25 errors in the upper 2G
 
ow
one stick or two?
 
now I have 4 memory slots, DIMM A1 B1,
yellow
 
1gb sticks?
 
8:46 AM
and DIMM A2 B2, black
yeah
which two is the upper 2G?
 
Bob
@GergelyBuday impossible to say
test them individually
 
lol there's no IC Diamond 7 thermal paste in my country... Screw that, there's no 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. Only when ordering bulks from manufacturers...

There's 50ml from Ireland though that would cost $4.50 + $3.65 shipping but no tracking number. It can disappear and I won't know anything about it.
 
Bob
@GergelyBuday Test one stick at a time. If that works, test two sticks at a time in dual-channel config
the goal is to isolate the stick(s) that may be causing errors
 
@Bob, how can I make a "dual channel config"?
 
Bob
@GergelyBuday do the single stick testing first :)
and then read the motherboard manual (because it can vary), but usually you just put one in each colour
in your case, "A" and "B" are probably channels
so you might want A1 and B1
but it completely depends on your motherboard
also, if all the single-stick tests work, or if all of them fail, it may be a faulty slot
again, check the motherboard manual (some require a stick be in the first slot), but then you'd test different slots to see which causes errors
 
8:50 AM
yup
 
Bob
another thing you could test with is a known good RAM stick or motherboard (tested on another machine)
also, note that CPU and even graphics bugs could cause the RAM to test with errors - so it's not necessarily the RAM that's faulty
 
Did anyone here ever sued company in consumer's small claims court?
 
Bob
end of the day, either you're lucky and reseating or swapping the order around fixes it, or (more likely) you'll have to replace something
the goal is to figure out what to replace
@GergelyBuday One last thing about testing - assuming you're using memtest86+, usually I would only consider it clean if it passes 10+ times
I've actually had errors crop up on the 10th pass
(a 'pass' is successful completion of all 8 tests, then it loops around and starts the next pass. this could go on indefinitely)
with 1 GB sticks, it shouldn't take too long testing individually - 4 GB would do 10-15 passes overnight for me, so you're looking at maybe 3-4 hours per stick
 
Good morning
No one sleeps in this room o.o
 
Bob
8:57 AM
> Note that newvserver is considered obsolete and only suited for those who want to foot themselves in shoot.
:P
 
@Boris_yo sure 2 different events, after all i live in california, where there are more laywers than humans :-) It was neither satisfying or profitable. I could have done Anything else using up 1/4 of the time spent on that BS and had mosr money than i got in court. It double sucks when people Lie through thier teeth, and judge judy isnt there to ketch them in it :-)
 
@Bob, I now do a faster test -- the machine stopped after each boot within 5 minutes with kernel panic
 
Bob
lol
@GergelyBuday a positive (error exists) test can be fast
a negative (no error) test will take some time
 
of course
 
Bob
because it's easy to say "yes it's broken" when things break, but when things haven't broken yet you can't say it's not going to break :P
 
9:00 AM
in theory I should work now and only that machine is running the needed software
 
@Psycogeek California? State of rich people. If judge jury is corrupted, then you lose. What was the case?
 
@Overflowh: sleep is for the weak. Also, westies sleep 17 hours a day, just in short periods.
2
 
Bob
@Overflowh Please tell me more about this "sleep".
7
 
@Psycogeek more lawyers than humans -- they should be aliens then
 
Bob
@GergelyBuday Don't forget the dogs!
 
9:03 AM
@Bob how do you know I am not one?
 
Bob
 
@Boris_yo Cases, one was a vetrinarian that mis-diagnosed the dog. Not only mis-diagnosed it, but 3 times i specifically stated what to check, why i was in there with the dog, 3 TIMES . (the doc got fired months before the court date) Got in court and the well rehearced (been there before many times) Secratary of the vets office, had altered the paperwork, and lied about it 3 times in the court.
 
dogs are quite knowledgeable about computers then
 
Bob
@GergelyBuday Of course! See: @JourneymanGeek.
 
The useless judge (asked before the court ) would not allow Exibit A (the dog) into the courtroom. Then the judge without defence even questioning the validity of the other vets "signature" determined that the information we had brought was Invalid. 3 Times :-) without any word from the defendee that they believed somehow it was invalid. I went all De-Niro and Turned around and addressed the Audience in the court, and said quite nicley a few paragraphs about what a load of crap it was.
and left. I was asking for $300 the money back for the completly useless vet visitation.
 
9:15 AM
@Bob Poor dating dudes, girls.
 
Sweet. I can internet at my new place :)
 
I lost $75 bucks for court filing fees, $100 bucks for going to another vet to verify the dog, 12 hours in time prepping for the case, and 3 hours standing around listening to other people get reamed by "law" in a small claims court (which is supposed to be people against people and no laywers are there presenting) so why they were all hung up on stupid "law" crap was crasy.
 
woof? ;p
 
@Psycogeek Why spending 3 hours listening to others?
 
@Boris_yo: waiting for your turn?
 
9:21 AM
@GergelyBuday Dogs are very polite too!
 
@OliverSalzburg: life without internet... is probably terribly boring.
 
@Boris_yo well the courts time (3humans) is more valuable than the 30+ people in there, paying thier way in taxes. so you get called in, and have to stand there with your finger up your but, while they heard you in like cattle. Prod you with a large set of rules for the court (dont speak, dont laugh , dont look at anybody funny, follow like sheep when told to, and respect the humans in charge , baaaaaa. So you could be there the whole day waiting to get heard.
 
@JourneymanGeek It's terrible period :D
 
@Boris_yo Because he's lucky and didn't have to wait 6+ hours?
 
I now have a desk, a cable modem and my laptop set up. Life is great
 
9:23 AM
Now that I realize, @OliverSalzburg has been strangely absent over the last few days
 
@JourneymanGeek Why? You still have TV, radio
 
I said terribly boring. Not that you'd have nothing to do
 
@JourneymanGeek Probably quite the opposite: without internet you have time and focus to actually do something. I had a friend once comment that when her modem broke was the week she was most active at improving her home, reading, going out, doing lots of stuff
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: I do that anyway ;p
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy and for those who like ebooks? -_-
 
9:30 AM
@Bob Buy an ebook reader like I did, reading in front of a PC sucks.
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy I have an ebook reader and a phone I can use.
I prefer my laptop.
Anyway, all three require internet access.
 
I prefer actual books ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek eh... that really depends on the book
there are some with horrendous formatting and layout shudder
 
After this move, I prefer ebooks over heavy paper books ;D
 
Bob
9:32 AM
@OliverSalzburg that too :P
 
I realized I have too much crap
 
Phones as ebook readers are like ants as riding horses.
 
Bob
I swear we have at least a tonne of unopened/unsorted boxes of books from our last move... that was five years ago
 
Hunter/gatherer + Ebay = :(
2
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy they're perfectly fine if you have a format that reflows properly
also, ebooks don't scare me as much as the bookshelf with a 3cm sag o.O
I swear that thing is gonna collapse one day
 
9:34 AM
@Bob Even with reflow, you either have reeeally tiny letters, or very few words per screen. Both bother me quite a lot.
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy Eh, I don't like the type you flip the page on.
Continuous scroll works well.
And it's a marked improvement over my E65 :P
 
I bought my first ebook reader (a kindle) just two months ago. I have been giving quite some tought over the "real books" vs. ebooks advantages.
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy: I do both ;p
 
Bob
I don't like the ebooks that try too hard to emulate physical books
no, I don't need actual pages and flipping animations, I don't need the pages to correspond to physical books, just give me reflow and continuous scroll
those are advantages of having an electronic format, may as well use them
if I wanted a physical book, I'd get a physical book
 
There are some obvious advantages for ebooks in being practical and handy, using less space and being virtually weightless, but they lose all the design, formatting, etc, all the, you know, whole damn project of a book besides the actual words there
@Bob That's the problem, you are a tech-savvy person. "Normal" persons just love emulations of previous technologies. What is WatsApp if not SMS emulated?
 
Bob
9:37 AM
@ThatBrazilianGuy if your ebook loses the formatting, then that's a problem. but the design? I could do without it - as I said, some books have absolutely horrific designs
@ThatBrazilianGuy oh yea sure, how 'bout MS Bob?
 
@Bob Touché.
@Bob For tech books, I couldn't care less. But many books have "personality" beyond the words. Paper density, texture, size/dimensions, font, margins, spacing, colors, how reflective the paper is, hardness of the cover, etc etc... All that is lost on ebooks
It's like with mp3s we lose the concept of the album: The cover art, the CD box or vinyl envelope, the lyrics pamphlet, the very idea of "a group of songs that relate to each other and are released together"...
 
for tech books ebooks make sense
I can't sit down with a tablet and a cup of coffee tho ;p
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Ever had anybody notice your e-book on the coffee table and remark that they too have read it , or were thinking about it?
 
Bob
@ThatBrazilianGuy hm, perhaps my book selection was relatively bland :P
 
Bob
9:42 AM
@ThatBrazilianGuy funnily enough, I've pretty much made it a point to only collect full albums
 
@Bob You and I, friend, are relics of older, different times
@Psycogeek No, but they tried to rob me. Twice.
3 mins ago, by Psycogeek
@ThatBrazilianGuy Ever had anybody notice your e-book on the coffee table and remark that they too have read it , or were thinking about it?
Hm, I think I know one of @Psycogeek's schemes with girls: sit at a café with a book and a coffee, looking smart...
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy Yes, but they always notice that the breech of the book isnt bent at all, Busted :-)
Ahh i read the inside cover , tha back cover and watched the movie, its the same thing .
 
@Psycogeek Use that as a point for starting conversation! Say you are just reading a few pages and cosidering buying it, if they have read it already, what they think, what would they recommend, if they are free next weekend... ;P
 
@Psycogeek: if you wanted to that, just buy used books. Hipsterishly worn ;p
 
10:00 AM
If windows 7 can't boot then you can't do a repair installation can you?
so you basically have to reinstall?
And if one could boot and did a repair installation, then what can go wrong if using a non-sp1 cd on a win7 sp1? And how can I identify whether win7 is sp1 if it isn't booting?
 
5
Q: How can I determine the installed edition of Windows XP if the OS does not boot up?

EvanI have a drive that I cannot boot, but it has an installation of Windows XP on it. I need to know what type of XP it has, and MS's solution (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310104) presupposes I can load the OS. Is there a folder or file I can look at that might give me a clue as to the flavor ...

that might still work
 
@barlop the dvd itself has some recover stuff on it. you hit R at the right time? I have never used it. always have a second system cloned to a different disk, and a image backup that could be returned .
 
re that SU question on xp. There's no prodspec.ini in w7
 
@barlop Potentially you can also lap install too, installing the OS over the top of itself, which will replace all the file items. If the disk was ok, and the partition still there, the registry still valid, then most everything stays pretty much the same for the users, as the files (mostly) of the OS are replaced.
 
thanks good idea, i may do a parallel install that's another option if it lets me. i'm going out now but you're welcome to post any ideas that come to mind, i'll see when I get back. ta
 
10:09 AM
@barlop yea, install it somewhere else to get into the system. while everyone else would toss in a linux disk to get in and look around at the damage. Me i i need the gui, and dont know linux .
 
@JourneymanGeek Nice theory o.o also if I haven't really understood what westies means :p
@Bob Well Bob, you are the one that sleeps less imho o.o
 
@Overflowh: west highland white terrier. My canine alter-ego's dad might have been one.
The West Highland White Terrier, commonly known as the Westie or Westy, is a Scottish breed of dog with a distinctive white coat. The modern breed is descended from a number of breeding programs of white terriers in Scotland prior to the 20th century. Edward Donald Malcolm, 16th Laird of Poltalloch, is credited with the creation of the modern breed from his Poltalloch Terrier, but did not want to be known as such. Other related breeds included George Campbell, 8th Duke of Argyll's Roseneath Terrier and Dr. Americ Edwin Flaxman's Pittenweem Terriers. The breeds of small white Scottish ter...
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh sweety :p
 
his mom's certainly one of these en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@JourneymanGeek But it's you dog? I mean, the one in your avatar..
 
10:21 AM
@Overflowh: lol
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Hm. Norse, or Greek? Yggdrasil, or Gaia (or Chaos)? Decisions, decisions :P
 
I think common wisdom is that's me. I would say that the dog in my avatar and I are often seen at the same time
@Bob: if you need to actually pronounce the name greek. otherwise, norse.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek lol
(why norse otherwise?)
 
more unique names ;p
however harder to spell
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I think I'll go with Greek - I like the other names better (there's not much point having a naming scheme for just one name) :P
 
10:24 AM
lol
 
Bob
heh. considering naming the IPMI interface Chaos
probably won't, but that would certainly fit :P
 
Bob
Chaos => Gaia => Rhea => Olympic pantheon
Saucy salamander? O.O
 
lol
yeah
 
@barlop a search in my win7 disks do not show any such file. ( i never even heard of it for xp either). There are places in the registry where that info exist. and registry hives can be loaded in when offline. I would have to follow some online info to do any of that.
 
10:28 AM
hmm
if you want to load a registry offline mitec.cz/wrr.html is very nice
MIGHT find that information, its been ages
@barlop ^ that might be udeful
 
One of those special PE CD or USb boot disks with tools on it might be in order? PEsomething. ahh backups are glorious things .
(although running water toilets are just about as good)
Bart-PE, that is one that was mentioned :
BartPE is not supported by Microsoft. Windows PE is an official Microsoft product.
BartPE has a graphical user interface. Windows PE has a command line interface.
The tools needed to make a BartPE installation are free software. Windows PE is available only to Microsoft OEM users.
BartPE allows unlimited custom plugins. Windows PE has a limited range of plugins options.
 
10:50 AM
Do anyone here own a 3D printer?
I really want something like this to my Raspberry Pi
 
@ThatBrazilianGuy oooooo
 
Oh wait wait wait, that's the "expectation" version.
THIS is the "reality" version:
 
get some acrylic, and a bandsaw, I could whip up something like that in about 3 hours, course it would look like it came out of the dump :-) but it wouldnt get stolen.
 
Not sure about posting this as pictures. sooo see if it is just as good with links. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2999390/?ref_=nv_sr_3 +
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1837076992/tt0470982?ref_=tt_ov_i +
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1079448/?ref_=fn_al_tt_5 +
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1792131/?ref_=tt_rec_tti +
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2265398/?ref_=nv_sr_1
=
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2755369984/hD5010CFF/
 
10:59 AM
My wife's boss works with acrylic and materials, but the price he'd ask for a custom-made piece would probably be the price of several pies Pi's.
 

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