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8:00 AM
I am quite brave
 
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@Blem More specifically, SciFi.SE has a history of asking history-of questions.
 
user2334
Besides of course History.SE, I think they're only one of maybe two or three sites that partakes in such questions
 
@MarkTrapp that is a pretty bad question, with that kind of questions you can do any combination of "Is Universe A canon with Universe B?" no matter how silly it sounds
 
@MarkTrapp I have to say, I don't think I've ever seen you chatty at this time of day
this is weird having people to talk to the moment I arrive at work
 
user2334
@Blem Yeah… sorta par for the course on SciFi: "there must be a canon reason for <insert movie magic here>"
 
user2334
8:04 AM
I mean come on, is John DeLancie not allowed to play anyone other than Q?
 
typecast for life
 
@MarkTrapp Full frontal nudity, the non-sexual, disenchanting kind. This should dispel any image of him being a superior being. ;)
 
just use the answer from when lucy lawless was on the Simpsons, a wizard did it!
 
I totally didn't notice him in Breaking Bad
 
user2334
@MartinSojka unfortunately, he was nude in Déjà Q :/
 
8:09 AM
BTW, I'd hope for more history-of tagged questions on Arqade. We have 65 years long history of video games, the people who were there to recount it are dying off. Time to make an effort and document.
Thomas T. Goldsmith died 2009, for example.
 
it's hard to come up with citations for stuff like that though
 
We're still not Wikipedia. :)
 
sure, but not being wikipedia has little to do with it
 
It does. Citations are nice to have, but not a requirement.
 
if you make any kind of statement on here and don't back it up you get criticised for it
 
8:13 AM
So put a "-1, lack of sources" on the answer.
 
user2334
@MartinSojka Notwithstanding the fairly vague scope of the beta test question, people treat those types of questions as an opportunity to reminisce instead of concretely answering the question. The nostalgia factor is incredibly high with gaming, too: 10 trappbucks says you ask a question about the history of FPS games, it's going to devolve into a rant about how CoD sucks and someone posting this
 
@MarkTrapp What beta test question?
 
user2334
@MartinSojka Bad answers are easily dealt with if they're the exception: but if a question is only attracting bad answers, we make the internet worse.
 
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3
Q: When were beta releases first used in gaming?

PureferretWhen I first started gaming (when I was playing Commander Keen, and Solar wars), and a game was released. That was it. Some time later I noticed games came with patches, games like Diablo I. Some time later I came back to gaming and started playing Minecraft, which was in beta. I knew about the ...

 
@MarkTrapp We do have a "not an answer" flag for that.
 
user2334
8:17 AM
@MartinSojka Yes, but if a question's only getting bad non-answers, and we keep deleting them, what we're left with is still a question sitting around unanswered.
 
user2334
Not saying history questions are off-topic, but they seem to attract crap answers, indicating it's probably not within our field of expertise. We don't have to be everything to every gamer
 
ooh
my bitchy managers are away
and the big boss director of international support is in the office this week
fml
 
@MarkTrapp You can then always down-vote the question until it stops appearing on the front page.
 
user2334
@MartinSojka If we're down voting the hell out of a question, it's attracting crap answers, isn't attracting good answers… why do we need to have it on the site?
 
avoids joining this particular discussion ;)
 
8:21 AM
@MarkTrapp Because somebody might actually be able to answer, either coming new here via a web search or doing the research.
Unanswerable questions get closed; answerable but hard just need to simmer for a while and/or get edited to be better.
 
@MartinSojka just because somebody might be able to answer the question is not justification for it being acceptable on the site
 
@pixel No, that's just a justification for keeping it when it meets all the other criteria needed.
 
user2334
@MartinSojka If we're able to provide a good answer to the question, there's no problem: what I'm saying is that it generally doesn't happen with history of questions, particularly when it comes to gaming. That is, if you're expecting us to become a useful repository on the history of gaming, don't hold your breath.
 
and discussion questions that do not include citations and are littered with opinions based on memories do not fit into 'meets all the other criteria'
 
@pixel ... since when do questions need citations???
 
8:25 AM
ever since the first time somebody asked me for a citation in order to get an upvote
do we not use the same website?
oh questions
 
@MarkTrapp I can provide good answers for history questions regarding MUD development history (well, from the mid to late 1980ties onward at least). If I see any other question where I know the devs who worked on it, I tend to forward it to them. They are, though, so far very few such questions here.
 
goodmorning @pixel
 
morning @Blem
 
have you not had your coffee?
 
I hate coffee, especially when its made like sludge
 
8:27 AM
no one likes coffee, but we still have to drink it
 
@pixel I ignore such requests. If I have a source, it's in the answer. If not, it's not.
 
and today the coffee pot is full of sludge
@MartinSojka you're arguing about a category of vague questions that will always be full of 'I remember this as...' and has a far wider scope than identify this game
 
we use one of thous where the coffee for each cup comes in its own package
 
oh we have filter coffee
but the guy that makes the coffee in the morning has no tastebuds
 
@pixel Rather, "I programmed/designed it like this ..."
 
8:29 AM
@MartinSojka belongs on gamedev
 
@pixel ... why would that be? GameDev doesn't need questions where the answers recount the history of some piece of code or an algorithm.
 
why not? The most comprehensive way to learn dev would be to see how a particular method of achieving something evolved over time
and if game dev doesn't why does game playing need it?
 
@pixel This involves lots of works in a spreadsheet, mostly. Nothing to learn from it, besides how to stay awake staring at rows and columns of numbers.
 
user2334
@MartinSojka We pretty much discourage them after finding most of them don't really do well here (here's some background). That said, if you really think the situation is different now and you have the means to provide good content, consider asking and self-answering a few history-of questions to set an example
 
@pixel Because "gaming" encompasses the history of it, same as "sci-fi" encompasses the history of sci-fi ...
 
8:33 AM
@MartinSojka by that justification, all game-dev questions are legit on arqade
@MartinSojka and marketing questions, random idea questions, general musings, random speculation, evil, death, decay, war, peace, etc
 
@pixel Nope. Check GameDev once in a while; most questions there are of the sort "How do I do ....?"
 
You can't say SE site <X> is about <Y> therefore all <Y> questions are valid
 
@pixel How is any of part of the history of gaming?
 
user2334
@MartinSojka So are most questions on Gaming. Either GameDev or Gaming could have history-of questions. Programmers.SE fields questions about the history of programming.
 
@MartinSojka by the same reasoning, most of this site is "how do I do <X> in game <Y>" just worded differently
 
8:38 AM
@pixel No, but some subjects (like gaming, sci-fi, languages, culture, programming in general) work in a wider temporal context; they have a history, which shapes the current and the future. Contrast that with purely goal-oriented sites like SO, GameDev or Travel, which are all about solving current problems.
 
Arqade is a goal oriented site
people come here to find out how bad they are at games and get solutions on progressing further through the current big games on easy mode
 
I see your 6 questions
and raise you 532
 
No matter. A single question is enough to disprove your assertion.
 
and that 2550 is only the specific "how do I" ones, we're not even including "what if" or "where is" questions
 
8:42 AM
@MarkTrapp I don't like answering my own questions, especially when I know the answer before I post the questions. Seems kinda masturbatory to me.
 
and, as demonstrated with a lot of old questions, many questions that don't fit in the format of actually needing help get closed shortly after being edited for being not constructive or off topic
 
8:53 AM
0
Q: No sound in Family Farm game

benclaI bought Family Farm for Linux, game is running smoothly, but with no sound. I have read somewhere, that it's normal on 64bit systems, but I run 32bit Ubuntu. Moreover, there are many no-sound bug-reports in Ubuntu Software Center, but no fix on the internet. I have tried this one, but it doesn'...

 
Meh, just one question from the "favoured tags" list in the last 24 hours and it's one I can't answer, just comment. Oh well, back to work.
 
9:37 AM
@LessPop_MoreFizz yeah, that's what happened. To be fair the original tweet was also angry, but jeez. That was two months ago. Get a perspective.
 
9:51 AM
zzzZZZ
 
10:32 AM
0
Q: Installing Regnum Online on Ubuntu?

Shedo SurashuI'm fairly new to Ubuntu (or Linux for that matter) so please bear with me. I just installed Ubuntu a day or so ago and went looking for an MMO for it. I am using Ubuntu 12.04 32-bit and I downloaded Regnum Online from this page. Fast forward to me who just finished downloading the 700mb or so ...

Possibly better suited for AU?
 
@RilgonArcsinh agree, there is nothing game-specific in that question. It's purely a linux permissions thing
 
my third disgusting coffee of the day was the one that made me wake up
 
@MadScientist Should I flag it with the moderator attention freeform flag, suggesting migration to AU?
 
@RilgonArcsinh I already did that
 
(AU isn't one of the options in Flag -> Doesn't belong here -> Off-topic)
Oh, okay :)
 
10:50 AM
@RilgonArcsinh Yeah, we don't have a user migration path to AU (or anything that isn't meta) because in general, it just wouldn't be used enough and would probably result in more bad migrations than good ones.
 
In general, people are usually quickly catching up on where to ask what. I don't see many computer game questions on RPG or BoardGames either, despite the potential for confusion.
 
@MartinSojka Yeah, but people who migrate still do stupid things like asking to migrate all kinds of questions to gamedev that don't belong there.
 
morning @LessPop_MoreFizz
 
11:08 AM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Ah, okay. Makes enough sense to go on.
 
11:20 AM
@pixel mornin'
 
11:57 AM
oops
blown my cover, sitting here watching youtube, start laughing out loud
 
"Why are you laughing?" - "Oh, I just read <insert jerky co-worker's name>'s code for the first time."
 
you know if I had thought of that it wouldn't have worked since I don't read much code on a day to day basis
I used the 'customer sent me some SQL they were planning on running against their database' alternative
hopefully they don't ask to see it
 
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Q: Worst SQL Ever

sammichWhat is the worst SQL query you've ever seen? What made it bad?

 
meh if they asked I would just write some terrible SQL with cursors and important stuff missing from the where clause
 
I like this one:
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A: Worst SQL Ever

Jonathan LefflerIn a posting to the comp.databases.informix news group - a genuine working Informix table (which I do not recommend using): CREATE TABLE VIEW ( DECIMAL CHAR(30), NOT INTEGER NOT NULL, SERIAL DATE NOT NULL, NULL CHAR(1) NOT NULL, INTEGER DECIMAL(13,...

 
12:06 PM
I am reading it atm
 
Reminds me of a DB design by a customer which uses hyphens for database and field names.
 
Tony Scott jumped off a bridge. :(
 
who is tony scott
 
@pixel Director, of films like "Crimson Tide." Younger bro of Ridley Scott (you might have heard of him).
 
@pixel Director of Top Gun among many other films.
And yeah, Ridleys little bro.
 
12:09 PM
ok
still none the wiser if I'm honest
I'm assuming 'Crimson Tide' is a movie as well
 
@pixel Yup.
Also True Romance
Taking of Pelham 123
Beverly Hills Cop 2
Days of Thunder
 
honestly, I'm looking at this list of movies and the only ones I've heard of are beverly hills cop and top gun
and I haven't seen either of those
 
@pixel Yeah, US nuclear submarine gets unclear orders before they are cut off from communications, not clear if nuclear war already started or not, and the CO (Gene Hackman) and XO (Denzel Washington) battle it over if they should launch the nukes as per the last order received or not.
 
@pixel Producer on Prometheus?
 
haven't seen prometheus
 
12:12 PM
@MartinSojka Oh god, this makes me want to dig up this thing I saw on another forum that is some sort of eldritch SQL horror
 
@MartinSojka How does that question not have a historic lock
 
For the record, I consider "Crimson Tide" to be his best film, and the music score (by Hans Zimmer) is just awesome. Nightwish even made a version of the main score.
 
so many things I don't know
 
Hrm
This thing is so long I think it would break chat, I'll put it in a pastebin
 
@RilgonArcsinh Nah, chat copes with big copypasta well.
 
12:17 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Ah, does it? Oh well, too late :D
 
@RilgonArcsinh Example:
Bacon ipsum dolor sit amet fugiat flank ex turkey venison velit fatback, spare ribs tempor id. Fatback qui eu anim. Turducken pork loin enim aliquip t-bone ullamco non in tenderloin pancetta deserunt. Chicken incididunt bresaola nostrud. Salami jerky laboris in rump est nostrud irure mollit deserunt ut cillum beef ribs labore bacon.

Mollit pork loin cow, pariatur nostrud shankle ribeye rump anim venison chicken et ball tip sunt. Rump pork belly reprehenderit, exercitation tenderloin pork loin turducken t-bone occaecat shankle anim excepteur ham hock. Non do laborum sausage ut strip steak t
 
That is the best filler text.
 
Yeah, I think you've linked it to me before.
 
wall of text hits you for over 9000 (critical hit)
 
12:19 PM
@pixel Wall of Meat*
 
the initial wall of text was sql
so text is valid
I would never be in a situation where a wall of meat could accumulate, I don't eat meat enough :p
 
@pixel it's an eldritch SQL horror, get it right
 
I have an awkwardly placed friction burn on the back of my leg, it's really getting annoying sitting down today
lol
"Google Chrome is out of date because it hasn't been relaunched for a while."
See girls and boys, you should always reboot your PC frequently, even your web browser complains about lack of updates these days!
 
Something something get a Mac.
 
Something something I have a PC that would outperform any Mac ever made something, something.
 
12:32 PM
And with that, I R Off to work. Later kids. Don't set anything on fire that I wouldn't.
 
sets @LessPop_MoreFizz on fire
have fun, good day at work etc etc
 
@pixel This meets the criteria.
 
no doubt you'll arrive at work and then idle on chat anyway
 
@pixel No, but I might pop my head in occasionally if I see a mention, which is what actually happens.
Idling on chat from work for me would be... borderline psychotic?
TEXTING WHILE DRIVING IS BAD KIDS.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz understood, so ping you alll day every day
 
12:34 PM
@pixel Keep in mind, my 'office' is a volkswagen.
 
I didn't realise Americans still used VW Camper Vans for such work
do you drive around in a mobile meth lab?
 
@pixel It's a Jetta!
 
you have a jetta?
 
@pixel Not my jetta. Companies jetta. TDI Wagon.
@pixel And not a meth lab, sorry. Just field work for digital map services.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz is your real name Jesse? (double reference going on here!)
 
12:37 PM
@pixel Nope.
 
did you get both references?
Jesse -> Breaking Bad (obvious)
Jesse -> Owns the Jetta -> Fast and Furious
 
@pixel No, because I am not well versed in fast/furious/randominsertionofnumbers lore.
 
me either
 
seriously though, I gotta get out. If I work fast, I can make it to the Giant Duck by sundown.
2
 
my google-fu though
"The Giant Duck"...?
 
12:39 PM
The Big Duck is a ferrocement building in the shape of a duck located in Flanders, New York, on Long Island. It was originally built in 1931 by duck farmer Martin Maurer in nearby Riverhead, and used as a shop to sell ducks and duck eggs. It was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 1997. It is a principal building on the Big Duck Ranch, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 2008. Description The Big Duck is a prime example of literalism in advertising. The building measures wide, long and tall to the top of the head. The duck's eyes are made from For...
 
well fine then
 
1:07 PM
Do we really need a 'steam browser' tag?
..in reference to this question:
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Q: Using the Steam overlay to play music/other normal browser things

TMPI have noticed that in all Steam games you can press shift+tab and then can use Steam to go to websites and stuff. When I was recently in a game I heard someone say they were listening to Pandora radio, but when I tried it, it tells me I need to install the newest version of Adobe Flash player...

 
@pixel No
 
People keep trying to add a second tag (browser, steam-browser, etc)
 
Steam is one big 'ol browser in itself
 
I know this
that's the approach I have tried to take with this question
but if you look at the edit history I'm being resisted
would you suggest I reject the tag edit for and remove the tag again then would you suggest?
 
Rollback to 6
 
1:13 PM
rollback war initialised -.-
 
There are 506 questions about Steam? Oh, platform tags... *sigh*
 
one of these days I will start cleaning platform tags
after the pain and suffering I went through with audio I'm waiting for the time being though
on the up side, we've pretty much burned everything that is going to be burned by this point, and everything we haven't burned yet is documented
 
It would be nice if we can have something like [ps3] and [ps3-game] to separate problems exclusive to games on the PS3 and the PS3 itself, for example
This generation of consoles are getting sophisticated enough that there are enough questions about the consoles themselves
 
well my understanding of the way it works
is that a question about <ps3> would be
a question about <game> that is only released for a single platform only has
 
And a question about the game on that platform only would be [ps3]
 
1:24 PM
a specific question about <game> that is released for multiple platforms where the question is platform independent is tagged
 
But that means it's hard to search for questions that are only about the [ps3] itself
 
a question about <game> specific to <platform> has both and
at the moment yes
but the platform tags still need cleaning
 
It's not worth the trouble, methinks
 
well if nothing gets done about it then it will never get better will it
 
0
Q: Recommend a multiplayer game for kids

Michael SandlerWe've just set up a wireless LAN in our house. Our kids enjoy games so I thought a game that they could play with each other would go down well. My kids are 6 (boy), 4 (girl) and 2 (girl). Can you recommend a game that is appropriate for them (no gore or sex), preferably with simple controls?

0
Q: Do Yahoo FF yardage bonuses stack?

AndyMcKennaYahoo Fantasy Football, let's say we set bonuses for rushing yardage at 150 - 1, 200 - 2, 250 - 3. If a player rushes for 250+ yards, does he get 3 bonus points or 6? I don't have enough rep to use a correct tag.

 
1:26 PM
there shouldn't be many situations where a game has both and , there will be some but there shouldn't be so many that finding out specifics about shouldn't be hard
 
@Lazers Hmmm, 29 minutes
 
just got targetted
BRB
oh god
somebody just linked a load of leetspeak crap in an email
I just raised a variety of questions by effortlessly reading it
 
You mean, people don't keep up with news and trends outside their narrow life path? :D
 
yes that
I am not a spambot... I just struggle with reCaptcha
 
Reminds me of the scene when my cousin showed the whole family her Biochemistry BSc thesis (or whatever it's called in English). Everyone in the family just skimmed over it and commented how it "looked nice." Then I get my hands on it, started actually reading it and asking questions about the few symbols I didn't understand. The "WTH?" look on her face was priceless.
Keep in mind, my last chemistry lesson was 20 years ago at this point. ;)
 
1:37 PM
;p
I actually do struggle with reCaptcha though
 
@pixel One of them is always "fuck".
 
that's a lie
 
No, it isn't.
 
Wait until the next time I get prompted (it will be in about 5 edits), I guarantee that typing in FUCK doesn't work.
 
Heh, guess which one is the one they're OCR'ing and fill it with 'fuck'
 
1:39 PM
reCaptcha shows you two words (or something it considers a potential word, and a real word). One of them it'll know for sure what it is, and accept only that word as an answer. The other will be from a not-recognised-yet corpus of scanned documents, and it will accept everything there. Including, in fact, "fuck".
 
@MartinSojka you just have to guess which one they don't know
 
Exactly.
 
@MartinSojka though that's also kind of being a dick about it
 
neither of those words
 
@pixel June nisamili
 
1:41 PM
I typed june fuck
 
The second char could also be t
 
it said DENIED
 
Heh
 
@YiJiang oh, you're right, it is
 
Try reversing it this time?
 
1:42 PM
@pixel domestic ttemisc
 
I typed in fuck ttemisc
and it said GRATS YOU ARE NO ROBOT
100%legit
 
Hahahaha
 
Now that I think about it, it would make sense for them to make the word they don't know easy and the word they do know hard to read.
 
@pixel And you can ease up on your editing spree, too.
 
why is it always me that has to change
why don't you ask more questions instead?
why? why? why? why? why?
 
1:46 PM
To be fair, I only do the "fuck" trick when reCaptcha is getting silly like here:
 
@pixel Because we conform to the way the world is, not the way we want it to be.
 
but you are mistaken!
 
@MartinSojka \and\bigand^\beta_{i=1}(x_i
 
@pixel June nisamili
 
bit late now
 
1:48 PM
I am an esper/guardian force/eidolon/summoned monster
I appear precisely when called upon, no later, no earlier
 
@fbueckert the fun destroyer has already been through like the whirlwind of doom and banned me from making more edits to his precious front page on pain of death...
CRY
 
@pixel Yeesh. Hyperbole much? :P
 
Also I am laughing my ass off at this Jay Wilson drama
 
It's ok though, pixel, destroyers end, is just going to continuing editing
 
@badp I think you want a \left(
 
1:50 PM
@pixel astral walker or gfto
 
@murgatroid99 without a \right-something that could be a problem
 
sorry, that is so 2009
 
it seems like a normal ( would do the trick there
 
@badp it's an excerpt
 
Choose something from this decade
or gtfo
 
1:50 PM
Hand of A'dal > Astral Walker > Starcaller > other insignificant titles
(aside from the heroic Maloriak temp-title)
 
@badp I guess. It looked a bit big for a normal ( to me
 
sorry but every scrub in the game has both starcaller and astral walker these days
 
@murgatroid99 yeah, but compare it with the x_i right next to it.
 
Oh, you're one of those people who judges value on how common it is
I see
 
no
I judge value on how asleep I can be to get it again on my 15th alt
if I can do it while afk at the door then it's not worth anything
 
1:52 PM
@badp I guess it is kind of big
 
since you don't even need to pay attention to the black hole mechanics anymore it's not even a challenge
but interestingly, using my scale, Firelord is worth more than Savior of Azeroth, and Dragonslayer is worth more than Firelord
 
@badp I think that's actually \bigwedge :)
 
So, again
 
@MartinSojka I def'ed it a few lines ago, jeez :P
 
1 min ago, by Rilgon Arcsinh
Oh, you're one of those people who judges value on how common it is
 
1:53 PM
nope, I'm one of those people who judges value based on how hard it is to replicate
 
NSFW
 
while in this instance that is directly proportional to how common it is, I do not value based on how common it is
 
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Q: Will advertising for a special event increase my chances of getting mystery parts?

user1370By special event, I mean the top-level, global events that last for days and have the flight crews and prizes. The current one has prizes that are parts for the starcraft, so I'd like to increase my chances of getting the extra parts via the mystery parts.

 

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