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3:00 PM
@Fluttershy I have a higher regard for what I feel is right than what the community feels is right. If that bothers you, I assure you we wouldn't get along very well.
 
@pixel It started out about an answer deceny made, and whether or not it was a link only answer. Now it seems to have turned into a "we all hate each other" parade.
 
user15026
@Decency But if it goes against the basic tenets of how the site and community fundamentally work..
 
@Decency If you're not willing to adapt and become a part of the community, then maybe this community isn't for you.
 
@Wipqozn oh but we do hate each other, we feed on each other's tears
so tasty... mmm tears
 
user15026
@pixel noms pixels tears
 
3:01 PM
but link only answers are bad, context is important
 
user15026
@pixel Very much this.
 
user15026
Attribution is important, too
 
oh wait...
@Decency aren't you the guy who did the 'welcome to dota, you suck' post?
link only answer, looked like an advert, caused lots of drama
 
@AshleyNunn Of course. In the case you were wrong, you can more easily shift the blame on someone else this way!
 
mmmm drama
 
user15026
3:02 PM
@MartinSojka grins
 
Do you know how quiet this channel would be without drama?
 
@pixel It would be quite boring, I'd imagine.
 
@AshleyNunn If I may be so bold, I believe the community is fundamentally about helping people get an answer to their questions. Judging from the response of the people whose questions I've answered, I'm doing a pretty damned good job of it.
 
It would be like UK mornings
1-2 people chatting
if you're lucky
 
user15026
@Decency Yet you are in here arguing established site policy.
 
user15026
3:04 PM
Not even site policy. Network policy.
 
I used to do that, it turned out to be an immense waste of time...
Then I got brain washed into the system and all those frowns turned upside down
 
@pixel Yep. And because this community is made up largely of people who know very little about Dota, it seemed out of place. But if you google any "i'm new to dota2 what do I need to know" question from the past year or so, chances are pretty good that you'll find a link to the guide I posted in the first half dozen comments, because it is "the newbie guide" to the game.
 
user15026
@pixel YAY BRAINWASHING
 
@Decency Wrong. It seemed out of place because it was a shitty link only answer.
 
3:05 PM
@Decency Whether the community knows very little about dota or not is irrelevant - all you did was go "HERE GUYS CHECK THIS LINK" with no context
 
user15026
@pixel This. That is a very useless answer.
 
@Decency Which is all well and good, and your answer would have been fine right off the bat if you had explained that fact when you linked it rather than only after you got challenged on the subject.
 
user15026
The point of SE is to not have to go elsewhere.
 
@AshleyNunn No, the point of SE is to make the internet better.
 
@pixel Pretty much. I disagree with a lot of policies here as well, but in the end, if I wanted a site with my rules, I already have that - my own site. No point pissing into some else's sand box just because I don't like their choice of acceptable toy colours.
 
3:06 PM
@Decency don't judge me joining in this conversation as ganging up on you though, like I said at the time, I read the link and saw the value of it, I just think posts like that should provide enough context for the link so you know what you're clicking
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz Aye, that is true. I apologize.
 
How do you go about being nice to people when they tell you they want a cheap gaming laptop with good battery life
THERE IS NO SUCH THING. ALL LAPTOPS SUCK. YOU CAN'T HAVE POWER AND PORTABILITY. WELL YOU CAN BUT IT'S GOING TO EITHER BE A NON-CHEAP OVERHEATING PIECE OF CRAP OR VERY MUCH EXPENSIVE. DAMMIT
 
@AshleyNunn Jon Skeet seems to agree with my opinion: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/8231/…
 
@AshleyNunn Sometimes other sites are better at presenting a piece of information than us, or have already done so. We shouldn't be out to plagiarize it. Hyperlinks are perfectly functional and acceptable. The point is, that if you're going to answer a question with a link, the onus is on you to explain why that link is a good answer - to convince me that I ought to click on it. Which is something that @Decency didn't do until the whole situation blew up.
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
 
user15026
3:08 PM
@Decency Congrats?
 
@Decency One person vs. the 205 people who think "link only answers are not acceptable". Nice justification.
 
@badp I'd start by asking if their definition of "cheap" is "around $2000" ...
 
@MartinSojka yeah that's pretty much where I got to as well, and I chose to stick around rather than make my own sandbox
@badp People like that deserve to buy a Mac
 
@Fluttershy If you consider that a shitty answer, there's really nothing more to discuss. Every single player who is new to the game that comes to this site looking to learn about Dota2 is going to benefit enormously from the link I provided. That is all that matters to me.
 
until the link rots
 
user15026
3:09 PM
@badp This.
 
@MartinSojka No, I asked him to pick two between battery power and money. He picked battery and power, while complaining about how expensive laptops were in the previous message
WAWUHROAIURHOIUJROIMQPLWMDASLKPNOIPUQRNMQPWON
 
@badp Link rot is an overblown problem.
 
@Decency Read what he wrote. He wrote "Better a link than nothing.", not "Better a link than a link with explanation".
 
user15026
@badp Yikes.
 
Am I wrong, or are we still essentially arguing about how people spend their upvotes and downvotes?
 
3:12 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz It also reduces the effect of hit and run advertising. "OH HEY I MADE THIS PAGE IF YOU CAN IGNORE THE TWO HUNDRED FLASH ADS AROUND THE PAGE IT'S GOT SOMETHING SLIGHTLY RELEVANT TO THE PROBLEM AT HAND"
 
@badp Like, yeah, link rot is bad, but the way some of you guys freak out about it is way out of proportion.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Archive.org isn't an answer to everything, though. It's good to have auxiliary information (name of the text, authors, excerpt, some details to the content) to be able to find it again.
 
but it's easier to just say "link rot."
 
@MartinSojka Agreed. absolutely agreed.
@badp This is what the spam flag button is for.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz How do you tell one from the other? All pages on the internet have some ads around them.
 
3:13 PM
you know it's serious business
all the starred messages are multiple lines in length
 
@Fluttershy I provided some context for the link in my original answer, something along the lines of "this is the best guide out there". Voters didn't find it useful because they aren't knowledgeable about Dota2. If this was a Dota2 community, it would have been at the top.
 
user15026
@Decency But this isn't.
 
@Decency Could you please stop assuming you're the only person with a clue in the community for a minute or two
 
user15026
@badp That would also be helpful.
 
In unhappy news, Damn it NCSoft, don't take down your download servers when I'm in the middle of updating Lineage II!
 
user15026
3:15 PM
@MartinSojka Yeah, that's just rude!
 
You keep arguing that people vote (and/or vote to close) on questions and answers they have no clue about. I would like to see some proof behind your claims. (The burden of proof lies on you.)
 
@Decency This really does sound like playing the victim, can't you comprehend that the downvotes are more likely due to the nature of the way you presented your answer than the content of the answer itself? Many people (if you look at the old meta post about the post in question) stated the contents of the link was alright but the way you posted it was the cause of the issue - it has nothing to do with Arqade "being a dota community" or not, that is just trying to avoid the issue...
 
I posted this at the beginning of this exchange. Everything I see is just reinforcing that opinion.
 
@fbueckert Cake
Now you see cake, not everything you see is reinforcing that opinion
 
@pixel Yay, cake!
 
3:22 PM
this diversionary tactic was sponsored by cake
 
noms cake
 
 
user15026
@pixel I like the idea of cake. What flavour?
 
user15026
@pixel I want to eat that cake.
 
@pixel Oreo cake? Yes, please!
 
3:23 PM
@fbueckert mmm oeros
 
@pixel You enjoy those oeros. I'll be here nomming on oreo cake.
 
mmm cake
anyway, my work here is done
argument diffused
COUNTER TERRORISTS WIN
 
@pixel One man's counter terrorist is another man's oppressor.
 
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Q: How do I know if I have rescued everyone?

Ashley NunnIn every level, there are a few people to rescue. I know some are missable (like Lumiere), and I was curious - is there a way to know who is missing? Is there some sort of indication that I have rescued everyone in a level, or do I just have to get lucky and notice them all myself?

 
@MartinSojka Usually the terrorist's.
So a counter-terrorist is a terrorist against terrorists?
 
3:26 PM
@MartinSojka AMBIGUOUS TEAM OF PEOPLE WHO DO THINGS WIN
 
@pixel DEFEAT VISITOR.
 
by the way we have quite a few posts that suck and we should do something about them.
 
@badp Way to link to 10K tools. :P
 
@fbueckert Not my fault you're not special enough
 
@badp Yes it is! You now owe me 4.6K reputation. Cough it up!
 
3:28 PM
@badp Oh hey they're all about and WHAT A SURPRISE.
 
@pixel Well, it isn't a great question.
 
I've got a great idea guys!
Let's have a bounty reward of all your rep!
You subtract your total rep from your total rep
if you award the bounty to someone else, they get all the rep!
What a wonderful idea Retro! Here are some reviews from other arcade users!
 
Heh. Just got banned from Paradox forums because I clearly told them that "hiding" features in their executables doesn't work. :)
 
I would love to give all my rep to this amazing idea! - goodp
 
3:35 PM
@Retrosaur Goodp? That'll be the day.
 
This amazing idea gets super rep, Retrosaur will be crowned dictator of Arqade! - Morepop_lessfizz
 
@MartinSojka Oh? Context?
 
Retro's idea shall save our community once again! Hail Retro - Xrda Ai
See, with all the positive reviews, there's no reason why my idea shouldn't get implemented
 
@badp I have to say that the anonymous feedback also sucks itself pretty often
 
@fbueckert Paradox changed from creating extensions (with new mechanics) for their games into creating DLCs, and implementing the mechanics into regular patches - just disabling some of them if the DLC isn't loaded.
 
3:37 PM
I HATE OREOS ARGUMENT BACK ON
 
@OrigamiRobot YOU MONSTER.
 
I told them like ... half a year ago or so for the first time that this doesn't work, and offered an alternative (including DLLs with some of the functionality in the DLCs).
 
@MartinSojka So...it's not so much DLC, as it is a switch?
Isn't that the entire reason people hate on-disk DLC?
 
user15026
@OrigamiRobot I hate your face
 
@fbueckert It's a DLC; they have new events, graphics, models and so on too.
 
3:38 PM
Mobile chat is the real monster.
 
@MartinSojka But the actual extra game mechanics themselves are just an on/off switch?
 
Hey guys, I'm going to ask a question about a plot in a game!
 
@AshleyNunn Argument over! You wins the internets!
 
Oct 12 at 17:40, by Mark Trapp
You're literally worse than 12 Hitlers.
 
@YiJiang DOWNVOTE INC.
 
3:39 PM
In a recent discussion on "Which DLCs you'd like to see?" on the Europa Universalis IV forums, I voiced the opinion that I don't want any, and explained it. :)
@fbueckert Right.
 
user15026
@fbueckert yaaaaaaay! The internets are miiiiiiine
 
@OrigamiRobot Oreo's suck! It's all about nutter butter
or Hello panda
 
user15026
@Retrosaur I don't like peanut butter flavour.
 
So yeah, one of the devs (Darkrenown) didn't like me pointing out that you don't need the DLCs to use the game mechanics, and now I'm banned. ;) Oh well.
 
Then, I present to Nabisco, Peanut-butter Oreos :D
 
3:40 PM
@AshleyNunn We are no longer friends. <_<
 
Is it supposed to only update when I manually refresh?
 
@Retrosaur Oh, Retrosaur is you! That makes sense.
 
@OrigamiRobot ?
 
:D
wut o.o
I disagree. Your constant disregard for site policies and your attitude toward users on this site really does nothing but make you look foolish.
what's the context of this
 
user15026
@Fluttershy .....oh....okay...sad...face.
 
3:41 PM
I feel like I missed an explosion
it's like not watching a michael bay movie
 
Yea hello panda is great
 
@AshleyNunn That will take like 600 petabytes.
 
user15026
@Ullallulloo I can make that work
 
@AshleyNunn Am I correct in assuming, since you don't like peanut butter flavor, you don't like Reese's Peanut Butter Cups?
 
wait @Wipqozn I don't understand.
 
3:42 PM
Wait a minute, wait a minute!!
 
@MartinSojka Reading the thread it looks like you were banned for DLL injecting the game's exe to essentially crack the game and get paid features for free. That's why you were banned
 
@Ashley
 
@AshleyNunn Weren't you eating a giant peanut butter cup to other day?
 
user15026
@Fluttershy Nope, actually, I love them. (I ate a half pound one the other day.....)
 
user15026
@Fluttershy YES
 
3:42 PM
I dip Oreos in a jar of peanut butter. checkmate.
 
@Retrosaur You added me on steam. I had no idea who you were. THought you were Botlclock at first.
 
@tiddy Actually, for just talking about it.
 
user15026
But the chocolate makes it better
 
@AshleyNunn Well how can you say you don't like peanut butter flavor!? D=
 
botlclock?
Oh., I see
 
3:42 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz I have never tried this, but now I want to...
 
user15026
@Fluttershy I don't like -plain- peanut butter flavour.
 
I've got a great proposal guys
 
FAE
@Fluttershy I have friends who like orange juice but don't like oranges.
 
@Retrosaur I currently only remember you based on your gravatar.
 
change the logo of arqade
 
3:43 PM
@FAE Those people are monsters.
 
it sucks shit
 
user15026
@FAE I am like that with grapefruit juice.
 
@tiddy Also, it's not the first time I told them about the technique on their forums.
 
it needs more peanut butter
 
@FAE Orange juice + toothpaste = best taste ever! Amirite?
 
3:43 PM
.. I even offered a way to make it impossible. :D
 
I propose changing the ufo into a peanut butter jar, saying arqade
 
user15026
@Fluttershy I just actually recoiled in horror.
 
Well, two ways.
 
@Fluttershy I hope your death is slow and painful.
 
Martin, I'm just curious
 
3:44 PM
oh snap, did I type that out loud?
 
@MartinSojka you mentioned that you don't need to know Japanese to understand it
I don't understand how that works
Don't you need a basic understand of Japanese to understand what all the characters mean
Or at least what each character sounds like?
 
@Retrosaur In the case of the one game? Because the game name was not in Japanese. It was just written in a script which is only used for two languages (Japanese and Ainu), Katakana.
 
The game wasn't in japanese?
 
I wish I had bacon in the house. I am suddenly overwhelmed by the urge to make myself an Elvis.
 
Oh. Because the title and the description led me to believe it was in Japanese
 
3:45 PM
@MartinSojka Well if you're innocent maybe you should appeal. I know I'd be upset if I was banned unfairly from a forum I belonged to for over 4 years
 
The game was from Japan, in Japanese. Language isn't the same as script, though. :)
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz Bacon+pb+banana?
 
The peanut butter, banana and bacon sandwich, or peanut butter and banana sandwich, sometimes referred to as an Elvis sandwich or simply the Elvis, consists of toasted bread slices with peanut butter, sliced or mashed banana, and sometimes bacon. Honey is seen in some variations of the sandwich. The sandwich is frequently cooked in a pan or on a griddle. The recipe for the sandwich has been published in numerous cookbooks and newspaper stories. It is sold commercially in restaurants that specialize in peanut butter sandwiches, such as Peanut Butter & Co. History The peanut butter and b...
 
Jin
@LessPop_MoreFizz no bacon? why don't you just kill yourself
 
Indeed!
 
3:45 PM
@tiddy Oh, I find it too amusing to do that. :)
 
I'm confused, help me out please :D
 
@FAE This describes me.
 
Do you mean the way it was typed out?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz Is that kind of like a fluffernutter?
Oh. No. It isn't.
 
@Retrosaur It's simple. What we write in is called "Latin script". We aren't communicating in Latin though, but English. In this case, Latin = script, English = language. You can also use Latin script to write names, which have no meaning in any language, like "Pulirule" or so.
 
3:47 PM
My dad used to eat peanut butter, banana, and mayonnaise sandwiches. >_>
 
WEll, I need to go to school, let me just end by saying bacon is terrible. tortoise swoosh
 
Jin
my wife puts peanut butter on apples. it's so gross
 
Ahh, thanks Martin
 
user15026
@Jin I do that all teh time it is so yummy
 
@Retrosaur You can do the same with any other script - Cyrillic, Arabic, Greek, Katakana, Hangul and so on. This specific game used Katakana since it was one of the four scripts (along with Hiragana, Kanji and Latin) which would be well-known to the target audience.
 
3:48 PM
I'm sorry if I came across to you rudely
 
Okay, how do I phrase the title without it being too spoilery?
 
@Jin I have Bacon bits...
 
user15026
@Fluttershy I used to eat plain mayo sandwiches
 
but those aren't the same. :/
 
I eat watermelon with peanut butter
am i sane
 
Jin
3:49 PM
I like bacon with bacon
 
Oh Wikipedia, your anal retentive collation of information is so wonderful:
This is a list of notable sandwiches: {| class="wikitable sortable" width="100%" !Name !class="unsortable"| Image !Origin !Description |- | Bacon | | United Kingdom | Often served with ketchup or brown sauce |- | Bacon, egg and cheese | | | A breakfast sandwich, usually fried or scrambled eggs |- | Baked bean | | United States | Tinned baked beans on white or brown bread |- | Bánh mì | | Vietnam | Served on a small baguette, filling usually meat, but can contain a wide range of foods, including fish, cheese, or eggs |- | Barbecue | | United States | Served on a bun, with chopped or sl...
 
user15026
@LessPop_MoreFizz Now I want a sandwich.
 
Nathans Chow Mein Sandwich?
WHAT.
 
that is not chowmein
that is...
 
NATHANS IS FOR HOT DOGS WHAT IS THIS ATROCITY
 
3:51 PM
I WILL NOT EAT THEM SAM I AM
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz No. I REFUSE.
 
Originating in Fall River, Massachusetts, in the 1930s or 1940s, the chow mein sandwich is a hot sandwich, which typically consists of a brown gravy-based chow mein mixture placed between halves of a hamburger-style bun, popular on Chinese-American restaurant menus throughout southeastern Massachusetts and parts of neighboring Rhode Island. The sandwiches are served "strained" or "unstrained", referring to whether or not the sandwich has vegetables. If the chow mein is strained, it is served without vegetables. These sandwiches can be found in the cities of Fall River, New Bedford, and ...
It is a Rhode Island thing apparently. @yx. has some 'splainin to do.
 
> This is a list of notable sandwiches
Oh wikipedia
I figured Arqade would appreciate the title of this one
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Q: How can I murder people and lie about it?

Ben BrockaMy character is a Halfing Rogue specializing in lying and ranged sneak kills with a concealed crossbow. With the Childlike and Pass for Human feats plus max ranks in Bluff I'm crazy good at a believable lie if I act like a child and in theory I could eat the impossible bluff check with the -20, ...

 
You can be like carl
 
3:56 PM
 
Carl! There is a dead human with a bolt in his eye
 
That's not so much a sandwich as a bowl with a bun on top of it
 
@BenBrocka, there is a dead human with a bolt in his eye
Oh hey how did he get here
Beeeeeeen, what did you do?
Me? Uh I didn't do this
Explain what happened Ben!
I've never seen him before men my life!
Why did you kill this person Beennnn
 
I will not apologize for art.
 
I do not kill people. That is....that is my least favorite thing
 
Jin
3:57 PM
@Retrosaur when you're killed, you lose a big part of your life
 
Tell Me @BenBrocka, exactly what you were doing before you came here
Alright, well, I was in the forest
Okay...
and.....uh...a guy walked in
Go on....
So I went up to him....f
Yes..................
And I.....I shot him 37 times in the ey
 
FAE
@Jin This is delicious!
 
@BenBrocka that kills people!
Oh! Well, I didn't know that!!
 

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