Game Development

@GLeBaTi preference. "However it is highly recommended that you always use braces because if you (or someone else) ever expands the statement it will be required." - stackoverflow.com/a/4797293/796832

Also: programmers.stackexchange.com/a/16530/88247

user4704

What is the point of "ThisWeakReference?"

user4704

I am highly suspect of types named "FooHelper," in general.

user4704

Also: "StarsHelepr" which I assume is a typo.

GLeBaTi

4:54 PM

@JoshPetrie if i don't user it, helpers referenced to helpersContainer don't allow GC collect helpersContainer

yes is a typo)

Jon

you didn't address the fact that it doesn't pop enough

GLeBaTi

@Jon what is the "pop"?

Jon

you'd think that would be easier to do with a spritesheet.. wow

user4704

@GLeBaTi A weak reference doesn't keep an object alive.

user4704

Certainly not a weak reference to itself.

user4704

5:00 PM

In your case both the "container" and any of the "helper" classes cause a potential rooting chain.

user4704

The weak reference does nothing to alleviate that.

Pip

@MLM check out the life game

I messed with your setup a bit

MLM

@Pip You died out pretty quick

Just idling, not sure what was there

Pip

I'm sderf

Failed on purpose, wanted to make a new pattern

Look what I made your thing do :D

MLM

pretty cool

Pip

5:04 PM

you killed it man :D

MLM

just popped your bubble :P

Wardy

yup i gotz me some pixelz now!!!

GLeBaTi

@JoshPetrie helpers referencing to container by weakReference => gc can collect container after gamePeer destroyed

user4704

Your helpers don't reference the container by weak reference.

Wardy

I was gonna get 3 of these but I definitely wont have room lol

user4704

5:04 PM

You pass them the target of the weak reference, which is not a weak reference itself.

GLeBaTi

@JoshPetrie how can i fix that? help me please :)

user4704

Remove the weak reference.

user4704

It does nothing.

Wardy

@Pip reminds me of game of life

user4704

Right now your GamePeer roots the HelpersContainer; it's private, and it creates it. So long as GamePeer does not expose it's own HelpersContainer through any other aspect of its API you haven't shown, then when GamePeer is otherwise-collectible, so is its HelpersContainer.

user4704

5:08 PM

The HelpersContainer, in turns, creates all of it's own FooHelper classes (which are given references back to their owning HelpersContainer).

user4704

So each helper is collectible when the container is collectible.

user4704

(however, the container exposes references to helpers via its public API, which means a third party might be able to prolong the lifetime of the helper and its container by holding a reference obtained through that API)

user4704

Your weak reference does nothing to prevent that though.

user4704

And I'd argue that it's probably fine anyway.

GLeBaTi

@JoshPetrie thank you very much!)

Wardy

5:19 PM

@Tyyppi_77 as requested ....

kinda got a full desk now :)

Chippies

@Wardy your monitors aren't aligned perfectly! The horror!

Wardy

they are now :)

Chippies

:P

Wardy

just installing elite dangerous

might as well give these things a test run

and scare my gpu a bit

Jon

group behavior test 1

the command on the red dots is follow leader here

and get the hell out of his way, lol

Trying to think of actions -- Wander/Pursuit/Evade/Attack/Rest .. any others you can think of?

in a general sense.

Chippies

5:38 PM

@Jon I can't help but notice there's a small red dot jumping furiously in the area betwen the yellow and red circles

TreDubZedd

"Cut him off at the pass"?

Joe

@Jon I was thining about something like this - "pursue" was something i wanted also, maintain distance and maximize distance

Jon

@Chippies that is the location where the group will try to meet up behind the leader.

Chippies

@Jon Ah, that's cool :)

Joe

"orbit" also made my list

maybe "formation" / "change formation" is something that could make sense here

Jon

5:42 PM

hmmm yeah

I need to work on formations

TreDubZedd

Are these all essentially target-based, just using interestingly-placed targets?

Joe

you could make a "Lead player" to location action as well

TreDubZedd

for formations: "Target x units to y's left"

Joe

something Ive seen a few times in games

Jon

@TreDubZedd its based off that nodal pathfinder I wrote the other week

which doesn't require a grid, or square hit boxes

its not bad

Wardy

5:52 PM

great stuff as always @jon

joapet99

I'm done with the platform test now

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Jon

@Wardy :)

Wardy

I seriously need to pick your brains if I ever finish this environment code

you're path finding smarts would come in handy :)

planning to chill this week .. revel in the new screens a bit, game on them ... then next week I want to hit my code hard

got plenty of room on my desktop now for code windows :)

toby

it now has da griiid

SpartanDonut

5:56 PM

Nice!

Joe

@toby this is looking very cool man

joapet99

dropbox.com/s/bh6yj6ha6i27k8r/Testbed.exe?dl=0

toby

thanks

amitp

@Pip for evenly spreading resources, I would use devmag.org.za/2009/05/03/poisson-disk-sampling instead of cellular automata

@toby ooh

Almo

some nice deep techno of some sort

recycledplastics.bandcamp.com/track/sleepless

Noctrine

6:01 PM

Are you making geometry wars Toby?

toby

yes

Almo

@OMGtechy oh shit man that's awesome

Jon

wow nice

you got a gif of it?

group of 50 following a leader

lol

SpartanDonut

link broken

404 not found bro

maybe www.C:\ ?

Jon

SpartanDonut

6:10 PM

Gotta send the horde through a narrow passage now

That's the true test

Almo

^

Jon

yeah that is gonna take a little more work :)

joapet99

I see you @Almo i nthe Conway's multiplayer game

*the

Almo

:D

it's clever

Hjorthenify

Wow I leave my chat open and has 1000 new messages after two hours :P

joapet99

6:21 PM

Ah, you're eating me Almo

Almo

One of my early C64 programs was a life program

how are there two people named almo

joapet99

I don't see two almos

Almo

I see a green one

joapet99

I'm the green one

WHY DID SOMEONE COPY MY NAME

I was in the lead!

user92578

@Wardy looks totally awesome, im kinda really jeallous :)

Wardy

6:47 PM

kinda really

lol ... told my other half i need a third

she went ballistic at me

I think 2 may be enough for now

Mikolaj Marcisz

Anyone ever bumped into something like this? gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/97567/…

Almo

cannot comment without a lot more information on what you're doing with it

Mikolaj Marcisz

basically in my game one of the core features is the ability to walk around a mech that can blow up walls/rock chunks

Icy Defiance

league had a problem with loading textures a few months ago. it would display the flash icon instead of whatever the texture was supposed to be, so you'd end up with particle effects getting replaced by a bunch of little flash icons, or the range circle of a thresh lantern getting replaced by a giant flash icon.

nothing to do with your problem, but it was pretty hilarious

Almo

@MikolajMarcisz I don't mean what your game is. I mean how are you manipulating textures and stuff

Mikolaj Marcisz

6:58 PM

: d

Almo

like if you get a handle to a texture and do something to it, Unity might make a copy of it and you don't really know what's going on (unless you're really experienced with these things, and I'm not)

Mikolaj Marcisz

I see, well this unfortunately goes beyond my experience with unity : d

I am more of a level designer when it comes to this program

Aidan Mueller

7:13 PM

Mikolaj Marcisz

Ecce Homo! : D

Almo

I get a little depressed every time I see that

Mikolaj Marcisz

xD

Lokkij

7:36 PM

Always encouraging when you encounter this in the docs of a function:

> Using this does not always work, but it’s worth a try.

Aidan Mueller

@Almo You still playing?

Almo

yeah

off and on

don't know how to stop the purple rampage though

joapet99

Agree

Aidan Mueller

Looks like you tried to break my methusela :D

joapet99

The purple is super rampage

Is there some nice combos that you know of?

Almo

7:43 PM

I might have

:)

Aidan Mueller

conwaylife.com/wiki/Methuselah

I am just reading the wiki.

joapet99

o.o a glider

Maybe thats what i need

Lokkij

That wiki is awesome.

Aidan Mueller

I just use methuselas.

Almo

yeah it's a cool wiki

Aidan Mueller

7:51 PM

I also turn purple dude's stuff into gliders :P

Almo

check out the caterpillar

there's a video of it

Lokkij

Woa

Kala J

I have a texture image in unity, is there a way to change the origin point of just the texture?

joapet99

I tried the Gliders by the dozen

but it needs so many generations to be really good

Almo

@KalaJ i think you are referring to the uv coordinates?

I'm not an expert on that stuff

joapet99

7:54 PM

lol, i can download all the patterns

I think I have somewhat stopped the purple rampage

Almo

looks like it

guy thub

gi thub

git hub

git hub = guy thub :)

joapet99

Ah! Almo you are placing your cells to sabotage me

Almo

I would never do such a thing

Chris

8:28 PM

@Almo how long did your app take to get reviewed most recently?

Joe

Joe's guess... 6 days for ios

less for android

Chris

:D
I gotta redo the screenshots and videos before submitting, but build is uploaded at least

Joe

first app I ever submit took 11 days for the first round of feedback

rumor has it apple has gotten a bit better since then

Jon

That jesus painting made me shit myself laughing the first time i saw it

Joe

and google slower

Almo

8:29 PM

@Chris I submitted about 4am monday, it went into review about 11 am the next week tues (7 days later), then approved about 7 pm because I appealed the rejection and they accepted.

Chris

yeah my icebreaker was about 7 days back in October

cool, ty

Almo

chris

you using the Mac OS X tool to make your xcassets for icons/launch images?

there's a $2 tool that makes it super fucking easy

drop it the image, and it dumps everything out, drag it in to xcode, boom done

I can never remember the title of it though

Joe

and dont show your flame thrower or rocket locker in any images! ^^

Chris

I could do the TestFlight thing if you wanted to email me your iTunes acct email address and I'll add you for testing? if anyone has an iphone or ipad

Almo

will it work on an iPhone 4?

almo2001@yahoo.com if you want to find out

Jon

8:31 PM

oh i have two iPhone 4s and a 5

Chris

target is 8.1 so supposedly
kk I'll try to invite

Joe

@Chris i got a 4s, ipad mini retina and ipad 2 if you want ill try all three

Almo

ok I can't

iPhone 4 is iOS 7

Jon

ios is such a cool name

Joe

@Chris josephjaniga@gmail.com

Jon

8:32 PM

Chris

d'oh
I mean I could target iOS 7 but it runs a bit slowishy at on my iPad 3, there's just a lot of physics calcs going on eh

@Joe kk ty

Joe

ill put more priority on the new gadgets then

Chris

I could even go as far to require Metal instead of OpenGL but nahhh, it runs okay enough
but yeah I think iOS 7 probably just a bit not as enjoyable and stuff, older hardware mmm

@Jon losing half the screen is cool!

Jon

Its hip. haha, no its for gameboy emulation -- which already uses up half the screen for buttons anyways

Joe

its called back lighting... for the A and B Buttons dude!

Jon

8:37 PM

the buttons will more than likely capacitate to the screen

instaed of being powered by a connection

Chris

true true

Almo

wow i hit 267

Jon

reddit.com/r/gameDevClassifieds/comments/30mhqe/…

Almo

unpaid programming

Chris

sign me up

Almo

8:41 PM

awesome

Jon

lol

didn't notice that

so i looked at the videos

Almo

:)

Jon

looks like a 3d modeller

Facade - Pre-Alpha Gameplay

►

Chris

oh hey it's portal!

"Made with the Unity"

Jon

mehhhhhh

i'll stick to my prototyping

grumble grumble

Almo

8:44 PM

why would you even show that video publicly

you could knock that out in a few hours, right?

Jon

lol yeah

i could probably make something very similiar in 2 hours

Chris

Greenlight does support concepts and stuff

but getting lit and then asking for unpaid programming work, yeahhh nah, just sort of wrong

Jon

seems they got lit for bad reasons..

if you ask me

Chris

okay my test build says it's "waiting for review" so maybe once that's cleared emails will be sent out

Joe

mrwasteland.itch.io/twwds The Writer will do something... clever stressful story game

Chris

8:53 PM

interesting

Almo

@Chris they review beta builds before they go out

Chris

Almo

supposedly the beta review times vary a lot

Chris

@Almo fair enough

Almo

that's your icon?

Chris

8:56 PM

Yep. Thought I'd try to capture the magic

Almo

does it look ok with the corners rounded off?

you'll lose some of her dress

Chris

something a bit busy, rather than just Tallowmere's face.
yeah it looks okay enough I think

Almo

ok just checking :)

Chris

:D
I tried having some floor showing originally but that looked bad with the round corners

Mutch95

loo there's like over 200 entries

i feel as if I'm not going to be close to winning hahaha

Lokkij

9:48 PM

Tychus's heroic in HotS feel so awesome. You're controlling an Odin, shooting rockets and creating explosions everywhere. :D

Jon

gamedevelopment.tutsplus.com/tutorials/…

Jon

10:09 PM

quite frankly i think this information isn't the best, but it is a good start

Veritas

10:20 PM

yo

is there a game jam going on ?

Jon

Veritas

eeeeeh

Jon

compohub.net

nope

Veritas

btw a friend just asked me how to convert little to big indian :p

Jon

puberty

Wardy

10:23 PM

@Veritas feed him lots of curry ?

Jon

its endian

not indian

Veritas

that's the joke

Jon

ah ok lol

Wardy

humour rarely works in here

Veritas

Ikr. Btw how is your project going?

I am still sick so I don't work on anything atm.

Wardy

10:27 PM

tyt get better dude I can pester you about it then

I have a new way of going about it

Jon

being sick sucks.

Wardy

I'm using a sort of fractal / diamond square approach

Jon

the ol' diamond dallas page approach

Wardy

basically sampling only data I need for the current LOD

I think the issue is LOD ... having none in the existing code causes hell

Jon

yeah.

i'm confident that is correct.

Wardy

10:29 PM

my thinking is that by taking the new approach i can be at any LOD at any point

so I can use gradual LOD scaling

basically means I can have as many LOD's as I see fit and the code can figure out how to draw the thing at a reasonable cost

with a few params of course for tuning

my issue at the moment is the "re-implementation" of stuff I already have

a little tweak here and there

but in theory this should allow me to do what I originally planned

throw a voxel and mesh generator at a volume and it all work out

then I just implement various generators

like buildings, trees, terrain, towns, biomes ... ect ect

should allow for some interesting results if I stack them in the way that I am stacking noise modules too

Chris

11:04 PM

ah, found a bug
if you die at the start of Room 10, and depending Steam's servers or your internet or whatever
slightly possible to have your 10-Room Speedrun score (`int seconds`) get mixed up with your Total Rooms Cleared score (`int roomsCleared`). cuz yeah there was a score submitted the other day with like 600 rooms cleared lol, which would be about 10 minutes if converted to seconds
so am adding a proper queuing system for leaderboard score submissions

Icy Defiance

that bug sounds like it was painful to hunt down, lol

Chris

well, based on the player's achievements, he hadn't made it past like Room 30, and only had 2 hours played, so I figured it was either a glitch or a hack, but not pointing any fingers, I deemed it an illegitimate score so deleted it

but yeahhhh looking at this further, think it makes sense

Hjorthenify

Hey guys

Searching for grass textures I must say that those people have the easiest job.. Oh look! Grass! And there! Grass everywhere!

Icy Defiance

11:21 PM

the trick is making a seamless grass texture

waaay harder than it sounds

and then even harder, making a seamless grass texture that doesn't obviously repeat itself when you zoom out a little

Hjorthenify

True, but still googling it and seeing how many close-up pictures there exists of grass is funny :P

Almo

icy: lol later?

like in 15 min?

Icy Defiance

uhh, yeah, I can play

Almo

you don't sound convinced

i'll beep you when I'm back

Icy Defiance

just got home, still figuring out what I have to do tonight

Almo

11:30 PM

ok

Icy Defiance

but it looks like my next paper isn't due 'til next week, so I have time

Hjorthenify

11:42 PM

If I have a sprite I want to use as background for my game, but is too small, should I add multiple sprite renderers to make it larger(think of tiles) or merge them together in photoshop and then export them into the game

Icy Defiance

unless you're really pushing either memory or fps contraints, it doesn't matter

merging them takes more memory, drawing multiple times...takes more draw calls, lol

Hjorthenify

:D

Pip

11:58 PM

eyo

Hjorthenify

Hi

Almo

@IcyDefiance ok man