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3:00 PM
@ChrisS Wurd
 
@ChrisS If the goverment stopped giving out handouts then a lot of people would die of starvation.
 
What handouts do you speak of
 
drilling for oil in other countries isn't stupid if your goal is to get re-elected
 
@RichardGadsden No. If you want some food, here's a freeway that needs the grass mowed; or a street that needs the trash picked up, or a plot of land and a bunch of trees that need planting.... or a million other remedial jobs that need doing.
 
3:01 PM
NIMBY mother fucker. It's all good for Mother Gaia as long as I don't have to stare at those ugly ass wind farms, huh?
 
too many people think that drilling for oil locally will destroy the environment here- NIMBY rules
 
@ChrisS and if you're disabled, or clinically depressed, or hospitalised?
 
@ChrisS Or who is going to watch your kid so you can do that?
 
Oil ain't gonna last forever; we realize that now. This is the time to find something renewable and switch.
 
@ChrisS or an alcoholic
 
3:02 PM
@RichardGadsden We need paper pushers too.
@DaveDrager Well one person can watch kids for their jobs while another person picks up trash.
 
@chris absolutely - thats the future but the question is what about today?
 
Oil won't last forever, but legislating our way back to the stone age won't help solve anything either
 
@ChrisS clinically depressed? alcoholic? illiterates
 
I'm confused, are you for less government intervention or just government intervention in different areas of the energy market?
 
@JimB Today we pay for past mistakes. I can only hope that people realize the reason they're paying and attempt to prevent such mistakes in the future.
 
3:04 PM
who, me?
 
@RichardGadsden We'll find something for them; there aren't as many of those as you'd think.
 
Well anyway I'm supposing that government is doing an OK, if not stellar job. But the tax code should be fixed. Flat tax for everyone!
 
@ChrisS Much better solution is actually to make it easier to get handouts. That way people who are getting them spend less time fighting the system and more time doing something else. Dependency runs in time as well as distance.
 
@RichardGadsden What incentive would there be to work if it is not easier than getting a handout?
 
@RichardGadsden I fail to see how people getting handouts are fighting the system
 
3:06 PM
@ChrisS People who wanted to work would work, people who didn't wouldn't.
 
@Chis S , It wasn't and isn't a mistake to use oil as an energy source, what noone could have anticipated is the exponential growth in usage by the world, and a lack of will for the US to be self sufficient
 
@Holocryptic You've never applied for one then.
 
@RichardGadsden riiiight. I'm sorry, but I'm not subsidizing lazy asses
 
Don't you think it's criminal that as a planet we know how to hardness the suns' energy for all and that in doing so we would be creating as many jobs as moving from oil would (different places/people I admit) but that this objective, surely one of mankinds' most worthy pursuits, is being actively blocked by a handful of selfish people who will be directly affected
 
@Chopper3 I don't think we yet have a good way to harness the suns energy.
 
3:07 PM
@RichardGadsden That doesn't answer the question; why would you want to work?
 
@DaveDrager solar/wind? what's not good? didn't say perfect but better than we have
 
Really I think the only solution is to go back to a more sustainable agrarian economy. But that means less population... and that means... not good things.
 
I say we just colonize Mars. Really, there's whole other planets out there that we haven't fully exploited yet. We're not going the distance anymore.
 
i think we've made good first steps but I don't think we have any revenue neutral (much less profitable) solar energy projects/solutions
 
@ChrisS Because I do. I mean the handout would be a basic allowance, so if you want more than the basic, get a job. But if you don't, and you want to do something else with your life than work, why the heck not? It's not like we're so poor we can't afford it.
@ChrisS Um, the emphasis didn't come out right - because <b>I</b> want to work. I want to do something productive with my life, and the productive thing I want to do do happens to be something I get paid for. I think there are lots of other people like me. But there are others who want to do something that they won't get paid for.
 
3:11 PM
@JimB Right; because we didn't have foresight, we never created a strategic oil reserve, the early 70s problems never happened. OPEC doesn't exist to artificially inflate prices..... nobody knows about any of this stuff.
 
@RichardGadsden You do realize we're running a $14 trillion debt right now, with $1.3 a year in deficit alone, right? In large part (but not all) because of government handout programs
 
@Holocryptic Who is this "we" kemosabe?
 
@RichardGadsden sorry, figured you were American
apologies
 
Also, you have relatively few handouts compared to us. Your problem is that your taxes are about 2/3 of what they are in civilised countries.
 
Define "civilized" please
 
3:13 PM
Ones I would like to live in.
 
::making popcorn::
 
@RichardGadsden While I understand the position you've got there; I think you drastically overestimate the number of people like you.
 
And I don't feel like I need to hand over half or more of my money to the government, especially if they're just going to hand it to sumd00d who doesn't feel like he needs to work
 
@RichardGadsden I disagree - our problem is that once you're making high 6 to low 7 figure salaries your tax burden decreases. If we set a nice level tax on everyone we'd get quite a bit more cash...
 
3:15 PM
@voretaq7 By "your taxes" I mean the percentage of GDP raised as taxation.
 
The government can't figure out their own accounting books. Why the fuck would I give them more money?
 
I personally have no problem giving 1/3 of my income to the government - taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.
 
Eh, lets stay out of the "who should pay what amount of taxes" discussion today....
 
@voretaq7 Anyone earning less than $250,000 pa is paying a perfectly normal percentage of their personal income.
 
OPEC control of ol prices was limited due to non arabic oil discoveries (russia and alaska being the most notable), and the 70's problem was due to an oil embargo, not supply and demand
 
3:15 PM
We've been there, we disagree. Lets let that one sit as is.
 
Dammit, I'm all riled up now. Feels good.
Crap, brb
 
Yeah, this really is not a discussion that will achieve anything. I'm a liberal socialist who lives in Europe, you're libertarians in America; our life experiences are completely different, the people we're accustomed to knowing are completely different.
It's hardly surprising we're talking past each other.
 
@RichardGadsden agreed -- I just feel that "perfectly normal percentage" should be evenly applied -- and it would be nice if corporations were taxed properly too but that's a separate argument :-)
 
@JimB True, but the "problem" isn't supply and demand; it's speculation thereof. You can't take the human factor completely out of economics, no matter how much Keynes would have liked to.
 
sounds like we equally don't like the gov't though :)
 
3:18 PM
@JimB There's no government like no government. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go stockpile provisions in my secured datacenter with its nice backup generators :-)
 
I spent a large chunk of my childhood watching ex-coal miners with emphysema fight to get enough handouts to live off - and no, not my family, but I grew up in a coal-mining town.
 
I do love this discussion though.
 
@chris s, speculation isn't a problem, per se, unregulated speculation is a problem
 
@RichardGadsden we've got that problem here too -- to say nothing of the way we treat our combat veterans...
 
And I don't see why "I can't work", said by someone who has been down a pit every day for 20 years, shouldn't be enough for someone who sits in an office and decides whether they are ill enough.
 
3:19 PM
@voretaq7 - 2 words, buy silver
 
@JimB How do you regulate speculation though? You're taking a gamble on future prices
 
@RichardGadsden "Libertarians"? Yuck. I'm conservative socialist (sometimes accused of being a Mainstreet Republican). I most closely adhere to the ideas that there are public and private goods; government should supply the public ones, industry should supply the private ones. What falls into each category is somewhat more complicated.
 
@voretaq7 We have a charity called "Help for Heroes" to help out disabled military veterans. I contribute, but I'm disgusted that we need one. That's what I pay my ******** taxes for.
 
@ChrisS I take a far more simplistic approach which really resonates with most of my peers: "Government should be the people's prison bitch, not the other way around."
 
@ChrisS Heck, I mostly agree with that. - and with @voretaq7 - it's just that my perception of who "the people" are is sometimes a bit different.
 
3:21 PM
@voretaq7, you set up mins and max variation in price per day, or regulate the number of bids per day - there are any number of schemes that can regulate speculation on a commodity
 
@JimB Or you put in a transaction tax so you can't make a profit on small, short-term movements in price.
 
@JimB Sort of; The problem is the the "regulation" normally in place is the chances of success/failure determine the reward you get. But Wallstreet rewards them either way; it's just more or less depending on success or failure. There is no possibility of substantive loss for the decision maker.
 
@RichardGadsden I'm all for the transaction tax - $1 or even $0.10 per trade. The people proposing per-share taxation (yeah they exist) are lunatics though...
 
Of course, that probably increases the amount of arbitrage, except that as long as the arbitrage profit is below the transaction tax threshold, there's not profit in it.. Welcome to economics.
The biggest problem I have with the way democratic politics works is that the feedback mechanisms are too slow. Imagine managing a server by reading the log files every two years and only getting to change the settings once every two years.
 
@Chris-s there is always a potential for loss, however in a min, max scheme I am losing gain and loss potential
 
3:26 PM
@RichardGadsden The biggest problem is the 200-foot-pole approach. The idea behind democratic republics is that people have the most direct connection to the government closest to them, but how many people in the US can name the members of their city council?
 
@voretaq7 0.01% of the value of each trade or something is a better option, otherwise you have found a new way of screwing small traders.
 
@JimB Not for the decision maker; they've been insulated by guaranteed salaries and golden parachutes.
 
wtf guys? I go to a 20 minute meeting and this turns into politics.se? Less politics, more boobs.
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@voretaq7 That's a media problem in part - the efficiencies of scale in media are immense.
 
@RichardGadsden true
 
3:26 PM
I blame @voretaq7 he's clearly a communist
 
@hobodave card-carrying. (no, really - when I was in high school and they came around to register everyone I registered as a communist).
 
Haha
 
I take partial blame for suggesting that people should have to do something to "earn" their government handout.
 
I switched to "no party affiliation" about a month later, I just wanted to piss off my right-wing republican neighborhood.
 
heh, I have a meeting myself now ... I hope there is free stuff there... :)
 
3:28 PM
@JimB mmm, meeting food!
 
I'm a Liberal Democrat.
 
that sounds communist
I don't know the UK parties
 
@MarkM The problem with politics: insufficient boobs. And the ones they've got you don't wanna see (Nancy Pelosi & Hillary Clinton in a jell-o wrestling match? DO NOT WANT!)
 
If you go to secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/… and look at the result, you'll see me.
 
but both of those words make me cringe
 
3:29 PM
@RichardGadsden I've got a sister who's quite a bit like you. I really like that she wants to help people, I just feel that much of it is misguided effort to fix people who don't want to be fixed. We don't agree on a lot of things. =]
 
@hobodave: I don't think even the Lib Dems know who they are at the moment. :)
 
@hobodave We're currently in coalition with the Tories, which is a bit of a mind-screw for an SLF'er like me.
 
@hobodave I'm a socially liberal fiscal conservative. (I think the government exists to serve the needs of the people, and that it should not spend more money than it has in doing so)
 
did I not just see you propose a tax on stock trades?
 
I'm a Keynesian on economics, but I also think that the government should approximately balance the books. I was one of the few complaining that the goverment should have been running a big surplus in the boom years.
 
3:31 PM
in terms of US political parties that means I vote mostly for Working Families/Democrat/Green/Libertarian candidates who seem to have a grasp on the concept of "If we spend more money than we have eventually the other countries will get mad and call in their loans"
 
I call myself what you do too, but I don't think we have much in common :P
 
(aye, at the time too).
 
@hobodave That tax on stock trades could easily pay for universal healthcare :-)
 
yea, communist
:P
 
@RichardGadsden Too cool. I'd like to get into politics, I just don't feel so very good about some of the huge compromises you have to make over here to get anywhere.
 
3:33 PM
perhaps with enough left over to start repaying our loans :-)
 
Until people essentially stop trading stock; or minimize their trading...
Or better yet; they list their company on foreign exchanges to skirt your new tax and do what they want without paying anyway.
 
@ChrisS Sigh, I've spent a lot of time looking at the way that (our) benefits system works and doesn't. I've come to the conclusion that if you just assess how much a minimum need would be and give it to everyone that asks, you'd end up paying out less and you wouldn't need to employ as many people working it all out.
 
Ugh, don't get me started on loans
@RichardGadsden I have a problem with other people determining what I or other people "need". It's a slippery slope.
 
Every time you have a rule that makes it harder to claim benefits, you end up employing more staff who decide whether people are eligible or not. Which usually ends up costing more, and the people who are really fiddling the system are far too good at it.
 
@ChrisS Oh it's definitely not going to be an earth-shattering source of income, but the additional market stability has positive side effects (rational investing, giving companies the opportunity to raise capital through sound stock offerings, which in turn means more money for them to invest in R&D, hopefully leading to more profit which we can then tax :)
 
3:35 PM
@Holocryptic 125% of my salary goes to 401k, Various Insurances, and Loans.
 
@RichardGadsden don't forget, even the most left wing american party would make the Tories seem like communists
 
@voretaq7 Interesting though; I'll have to think about that.
 
@RichardGadsden I do believe there needs to be an eligibility threshold/repayment requirement (easily established through the IRS here -- we know how much money you're making, we know how much we gave you as a "basic need" handout - If you're making "substantially" more than that it's reasonable to expect you'll pay the government back)
 
@Holocryptic I'm not a huge fan myself, but if the system is $X per adult, $Y (a bit less) per child, $Z (depending on location) for housing, and then extra for things like being in a wheelchair, then it should be hard to fix.
 
Effectively a "tax prebate" if you want to look at it in those terms
 
3:36 PM
@ChrisS Not sure I'm at that level, but it's definitely substantial
 
@voretaq7 Yeah, I can see that. Also, put in a bit of Rawlsian veil of ignorance.
@voretaq7 ie a system that you'd be happy to be in at the bottom and at the top, as well as the level you're currently at.
 
@Holocryptic I'm paying things off much faster than I have to; I hate "unnecessary" debt.
 
@ChrisS I'm trying to pay off my credit card right now, almost done. Just re-fi'd my private student loans to give me some temporary breathing room before beating that with a big stick too
 
@ChrisS How can you pay out more than 100% of what you have coming in?
 
@voretaq7 (devil's advocate) Under what premise do the high income individuals "owe" the government?
 
3:39 PM
@Holocryptic Apart from my mortgage, I'm debt-free
 
@RichardGadsden I'm married.
 
@ChrisS Duh.
 
gonna look for a higher paying job at the end of summer to help with all that.
 
@ChrisS @voretaq7 Rawlsian veil of ignorance, also they get much more benefits from government than most - the aristos are the ones that go to the guillotine when the government falls, remember.
Right, I have a RIPE form for a /48 to fill in.
 
@RichardGadsden good talking at ya
Okay. Back to boobs. Take it away
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3:49 PM
 
@ChrisS @RichardGadsden hit it on the head - Rawlsian veil of ignorance. Also my premise that everyone owes the government the same duty (i.e. tax) regardless of income level -- you're paying for lots of services...
@ChrisS The only thing I'm not "overpaying" is my mortgage (Tasty tasty tax deduction!)
also bonus of living in a co-op (double-dip tax deduction: Once for my mortgage, once for the underlying mortgage on the building :-)
 
@Zypher I may have to break my aversion to bars for her
 
hahaha
f that ... bars are full of drunk girls ...
drunk girls are less inhibited
and tequilla makes the world go round
 
@Zypher true, which is why I usually don't go. I'm an inhibited kind of person
The last time I had tequila I was doing body shots out of this girls navel. Good times.
 
See, and you don't like bars why? :)
 
3:55 PM
@Zypher x2
 
@Zypher This was in the comfort of a basement
Wait, that sounds creepy
meh
 
@Holocryptic you should try it at a bar ... much more fun
 
I'm actually pretty socially conservative
 
they only problem you can run into at bars is when you get the stares - and the girl you stare at is the DD
 
@Zypher Tequila makes the floor spin!
 
3:57 PM
I'm all old school gentleman and stuff. Which leads to terminal singletude.
Well, except for the whole tequila body shot thing. But in my defense, I was drunk at the time
 
@Holocryptic you can still be a gentleman old school style and enjoy the fun part of going to the bar ... it's a fine line that gets wobbly with the tequella
@Holocryptic no need to excuse yourself :) you sir where enjoying life
 
It took me all the next day to get my head back on straight
There was a lot of tequila
Between 4 of us, we killed a whole bottle, and I finished off a six pack of Newcastle before that
 
4:44 PM
So my 10 year HS reunion is this summer at some point. I had to laugh because I don't know or remember like 95-97% of those clowns.
 
I had like 3 friends in high school
 
Most of my friends were in band, and were a year or two behind me
 
@Holocryptic hah me too ... of course I have 0 faith anyone in my class will actually organize anything
 
@Zypher I just got a FB group invite yesterday
All I could think of was, "lazy"
It's April, for crying out loud
 
My 10 tear was like that. It all got "planned" in the last 3 weeks.
 
4:52 PM
Well, we'll see what happens. Maybe I'll get lucky and hook up with some chick
 
I decided not to go when I realized that I still regularly see the people I want to and that it would be primarily for the "train wreck affect". I figured that made me a bad person.
 
I would go just for the train wreck affect
Although, a lot of the school members were/are Mormon, which means almost everyone is probably married off by now
 
I'm fairly sure my high school didn't have a 10 year reunion, and looking of the website the other HS in the district hasn't had their 10 year yet (they're going to have one over a full year late).
 
Let's not forget that they've spawned a soccer team by now.
 
I'm vaguely interested in seeing where other people are in life, but otherwise couldn't care less about any of them.
 
4:54 PM
@ChrisS My school system doesn't sponsor reunions of any kind, so it's entirely up to the class. Which is part of what, I'm sure, made mine such a failure.
 
I'd go because my best friend still lives there, so I'd go visit his family too
 
@ScottPack Same here; the class has an endowment for throwing their own parties (if they saved any money in the first place, which my class did); the district only helps informing people about it though, they don't organize or anything.
 
But Vegas in the summer time....ugh
 
@ChrisS That's still pretty helpful.
 
@ScottPack Yeah, finding people's addresses and such would be impossible without the school district having some sort of record available.
 
4:57 PM
@ChrisS To the best of my knowledge that was not made available to us, so it was entirely through word of mouth and FB to track people down. Pretty crappy, really.
 
@ScottPack That's how this is shaping up
 
Humerously, in the days before FB I actually had a website that included the names and various contact information for my class. At one point I tried to expand it to the other classes in at the school but was met with fierce resistance from the school administrative staff.
 
@Holocryptic So you'll be pleasantly surprised to have yours at the back room of the local Pizza Hut. Rock!
 
\m/
 
My school seriously had a reunion for the class of 1929... 1 person is still alive
 
5:05 PM
lol
 
Hi, I'm new to this chat. Just lurking around to check how it works. Cheers
 
@desasteralex Just a bunch of grumpy sysadmins chatting about the random events/thoughts of their day.
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@ChrisS and boobs, don't forget the boobs.
 
ok, understood :)
 
@Holocryptic, my 10 year was in 2008, there were about 15 ppl there, including significant others
 
5:12 PM
@Jacob That's part of thoughts... like every 7 second from what I've heard.
 
"Show the average teenage male a condom and his mind will turn to thoughts of lust"
"Show the average teenage male a *lug wrench* and his mind will turn to thoughts of lust!"
 
@ChrisS 7 seconds? That's kinda high, isn't it? I know if I'm not thinking about it every 3-4 seconds, I feel broken.
 
<--married @Holocryptic <-- not married.... causation or correlation?
 
@ChrisS Just broken is all
Girls are scary
 
Girls aren't scary or complicated.
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5:21 PM
Yes, they are scary and complicated. If you go into their bathrooms, your feet burn, like a vampire in sunlight. I think it's from all the frilly bath salts and scented shampoos.
 
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I like how girls locker rooms smell. It's pretty.
 
They're just like the rest of human beings; except without logic or reason and with emotions and a cyclic hormonally-fueled mood swings.
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The question was easy enough, but he can't figure out how to sort boot devices?
 
Simple silly question that I thought I knew the answer to but want to double check if any of you want to shudder at the mention of Access.
Can you query an Access database in SQL?
I didn't think so...
I thought you could only do that with...y'know...an SQL server.
But I'm database-programming-ignorant so I thought I'd throw out a quick query and see who answered and who retched violently.
 
5:24 PM
Bart: a quick Google says yes: fontstuff.com/access/acctut14.htm
 
@ChrisS I just need some more confidence is all. The past few years I've had things occur that don't inspire self-confidence. Hopefully will resolve those situations this year.
 
I ran a google check and I kept running into converting an Access database to SQL.
 
"QL is used to interact with your database's data. Access uses SQL for many tasks: whenever a query is run it uses SQL to filter the data; whenever a report is displayed SQL is used to gather the data to be displayed; SQL provides the data displayed on an Access form."
/me shrugs
 
@BartSilverstrim, Using ADO i think you can.
 
@Holocryptic Confidence is overrated. Opportunity and finding a match are all you really need.
 
5:25 PM
hrm
 
Is holocryptic trying to talk to a girl somehwere?
 
There are something like 64 different personalities in general. You're one of them, and you "match" with one or more of them. You need to meet someone who is one of the types you match, and who matches your type. Certain dating websites have figured this out and rely on it heavily because it generally works quite well.
 
kinda hard when this is me...
aww, no onebox?
 
Statistically it's not very hard to find a match, though you might not recognize that you've actually met each other; hence the "opportunity" part of my above statement.
 
How old are you @holo?
 
5:29 PM
27
 
And are you trying to just find some girl or is there one in particular you're looking to schmooze?
 
Not one in particular. Just one that I can tolerate. And who will tolerate me.
I'm not into wild swinging from the ceiling party girls or any of that
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@Holocryptic And THAT goes on the wall.
 
@Holocryptic Most of them are completely normal human beings when they're not drunk.... remember tequila, body shots, etc that you did....
 
Ah. In that case, you stop worrying about their boobs and trying to get laid, and worry about just talking to them. You want to date a best friend.
There's nothing special other than the occasional mental breakdowns and acting like nutters.
 
5:32 PM
@BartSilverstrim Not worried about getting laid. Waiting for marriage anyways
 
also @ChrisS - girls are both scary (my sparring partner could probably kill me with her bare hands!) and complicated (every one I've ever met anyway)
 
Just remember you're a special brand of nutters.
Dude, stop expecting to get laid by getting married.
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@BartSilverstrim yeah that works the opposite way
 
@BartSilverstrim has a point - it usually works the other way around...
 
which is why i plan to never get married :-D
 
5:33 PM
Especially if a kid shows up ;).
 
Right. I said I was old school
 
Also, it gets less interesting the longer you do it with the same person... though that can be meaningful in it's own way.
 
Women are like computers. When you first talk to them they're all shiny and neat and you like their blinkies...eventually you get comfortable with them...then you get irritated by them but still want her around, like for nostalgia. Eventually you find she tends to be more interested in new batteries.
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Gotta try new things, like the wheelbarrow
 
@Dynamo negative reinforcement / automatic population control. :)
 
5:34 PM
@BartSilverstrim LOL, nostalgia...
 
@BartSilverstrim and THAT goes on the wall.
 
Holy shit having a bunch of admins in the server room doling out dating advice is making me laugh...we should do this more often.
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Sysadmins for love <3
Let me correlate our dating advice into a database.
 
Really, though. Stop worrying about tits and sex and anything else. They're going to think you're odd just because of your hangups insisting they're different from you.
 
@BartSilverstrim Date people you can stand to be around. Have lots of sex. Use protection. Remember that the freaks tend to leave marks points at scar on right arm
@BartSilverstrim Celebrate our differences! (because man-boobs & facial hair are somehow not as mesmerizing)
 
5:36 PM
@voretaq7 optionally employ the falcon punch after ... @Dynamo ahh excellent ... not only a bunch of server trolls giving out advice, but also organizing it WORLD DOMINIATION
 
oh yeah, the most important piece of dating advice: If your dog doesn't like them it's probably not a good idea to keep them.
 
Well, at 27 and in my current situation I'm a little behind the curve if you catch my drift. Don't know that I'll be able to break it, or if I want to
 
They're people. Plain and simple.
And just as complicated as you are :-)
 
@BartSilverstrim Maybe that's part of my problem. I hate people in general
 
That can affect your chances as well.
 
5:39 PM
Well, maybe not hate
 
There are women out there who hate other people too.
But at any rate, just meet new friends.
Have friends introduce you to girls and just talk to them. Don't seek out a relationship. Let one happen.
Soon you can put Pauska's sock back in the drawer for awhile after just finding a friend you like hanging out with and happens to have boobs. And is supposed to have boobs.
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@Holocryptic People with a Bachelors or higher have an average marrying age of 28 or 29 in the US. You're not very far behind.
 
@ChrisS No bachelors. Just an over priced AS
 
And stop worrying about it! Being married isn't for everyone.
 
That's true too.
 
5:42 PM
There are some advantages to not being in a monogamous relationship. Although even if you're married that's not always a thing either.
 
@BartSilverstrim Why are you implying that I'm using Pauska's sock? That's kinda nasty....
 
Also once you meet that person who you're a match with, and you have the opportunity to figure out that you're a match; you can't help the situation, you can only bruise the banana... Being obsessed with "weird" things will bruise the banana.
 
heh
 
Your best bet is to just have some friends "find" you a friend to talk to.
Female friends...if you have any...love doing that kind of stuff.
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My friends either live in Las Vegas (geographically undesirable) or are here, but are IT professionals as well, so not socially apt.
 
5:45 PM
@BartSilverstrim Best bet is likely one of the major dating websites, tacky at it might sound, they're proving to be more and more effective.
 
I do have one female friend, she's tried a couple times, but nothing's panned out
 
@BartSilverstrim If you become "friends" with a female it's quite unlikely you'll ever become more though... It's sort of how it works.
 
If your life is boring, you can use ashleymadison.com...that should add some interesting twists in your life. Especially if you want lots of excitement when they find you.
 
@ChrisS I have a membership to Match, but only netted one date. Wasn't that thrilling
 
or cougarlife.com
 
5:47 PM
haha
 
You have friends that you don't do anything with unless they're friends with benefits. But when you have them as "friends", they find it cute to hook you up with their friends that they think are matches for you.
 
stay far away from any dating site that even mentions that you might hook up...
 
Most dating sites have a crapload of guys and mostly dead female profiles.
 
@BartSilverstrim true
 
I was just reading a white paper on that...wish I could remember where it was.
But at any rate, if you want some success, get yourself some friends of friends with vaginas, and have them just as friends start sharing other friends looking for a social life.
 
5:49 PM
@BartSilverstrim Men are more willing to pay... so the sites advertise to them.
 
Go to a bar with them, too. Other women feel your "safe" if you have a girl with you.
Girls can help attract other girls because it's like a vetting process. She approves you, so other girls are warmer to the idea of talking to you.
OR (no offense intended to others here) go with a gay friend. Women feel safe with gay guys, they swarm my gay friends. And they'll probably be willing to hook you up with a nice girl too.
 
@BartSilverstrim too bad that doesn't work for picking up guys
 
Pre-selection is the phenomena you're referring to
 
OFFENDED
Nah not rally
<3 Bart
 
OFFENSIVE
but only to people I don't like
or after a long jog and before I've had a chance to shower, but that's different
 
5:52 PM
My circle of gay friends happen to be in this chat room
 
OFFENDED (but only to get you in trouble) :-)
 
@BenPilbrow :-p
 
@BartSilverstrim heh seriously though... couldn't care less :-)
 
Irritatingly, it's true.
 
5:53 PM
Honestly if you're going out just to look for other girls, your best chances come from other female friends and gay friends who know the social circles of girls looking for a nice guy, and they can act as a pre-selector to show you're a safe guy and not a douche.
 
Kind of like... A FIREWALL
 
@Dynamo and some people are just hopeless... Comparing your friends to tech equipment isn't a good start.
 
@ChrisS This is true.
 

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