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2:00 PM
@JasonBourne Keep it clean.
 
Commute.
 
user19161
Wow, Ed Guiness changed his pic again.
 
user19161
Looks very much like James Bond there.
 
looks like he has a light shining out of his head
bit of a white spectrum going on
 
2:02 PM
@JasonBourne I thought Gravatar issued very long caching headers, meaning that if you change your image it can take ages for the new one to propagate. I'm planning to change my e-mail address in order to get new Gravatar icons.
 
user19161
@TRiG Just to update you, one can now bypass gravatar to upload an avatar on SE, but it doesn't work too well for now.
 
user19161
@TRiG No, it only takes about 5 minutes usually. You need to refresh your browser, that's all.
 
but there are times it takes days
 
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@MattЭллен Seldom...
 
not seldom enough!
 
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2:04 PM
It works well for me usually.
 
@JasonBourne I am getting rid of the name and the picture.
 
user19161
@DumbCow What is your new name then?
 
@JasonBourne 2 days more.
 
@JasonBourne Aye, so it seems.
Expiry date is only a couple of minutes into the future.
 
user19161
@TRiG By the way, I have chatted with you under several usernames...
 
2:08 PM
@JasonBourne Why do people change username?
 
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@matt Remember I said that Chrome has a problem with chat? Maybe the new Chrome is better, or maybe it works better under CentOS than Debian, I don't know.
 
so, fewer problems so far, then?
 
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@TRiG For fun mostly. In my case, for fun. I hope you know that I am JL.
 
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@MattЭллен Yes, indeed.
 
@JasonBourne Right-O.
in The Upper Room, Oct 19 '12 at 13:10, by TRiG
@AffableGeek The tradition on h2g2 is for everyone to wear Halloween masks by converting their names to anagrams for the season.
 
2:10 PM
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@TRiG I can be identified by my default gravatar, or a square of some blue shade, or a pic of Justin Bieber or Mariah Carey.
 
user image
2
What a difference!
 
@JasonBourne Why Bieber?
 
user19161
@TRiG I like his Baby.
 
The British vowels are squishier: look at all the overlap.
I never realized that that was happening.
 
2:11 PM
6
Q: All mods are equal, but some mods are more equal

LukeAll mods are equal, right? Except for Kiamlaluno. Real funny... Bug found here. I'm using Chrome 23.0.1271.97

 
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@tchrist Indeed! I am shocked.
 
Real funny @kiam
 
@JasonBourne Nah,
in Mos Eisley, yesterday, by TRiG
And as for Bieber's song "Baby" (the first and only of his that I heard/saw), I can only say that acting like a creepy stalker and refusing to take "No" for an answer is not cool.
 
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@Luke Wow, amazing. I deleted my MSO account because I often find bugs which nobody thinks is important.
 
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@TRiG Oh dear. Don't worry, I am not a creepy stalker.
 
2:13 PM
I need to speak with kiam about this one.
 
@Luke lol
 
@JasonBourne Plus they have a three-fold distinction where we have only a two-fold one. No wonder I could never find a minimal triple in rhotic speakers!
@TRiG Most but not all the Irish speakers of English I know are rhotic; are you?
hopes he hasn’t overstepped the bounds of propriety
 
RegDwight looks kinda sick...
 
@Luke Purple Haze.
 
user19161
Ah, some of my stars have disappeared!
 
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2:17 PM
Why do people unstar what has been starred?
 
To make you cry.
 
user19161
Anyway, I don't do stars in chat.
 
@JasonBourne Not even Justin Bieber?
 
user19161
Of course, I may star something for a few seconds to see its effect, but after that I'll unstar it.
 
@tchrist No. Because my accent is weird.
 
2:18 PM
You know you want to star this message. You know it. C'mon now, just do it
 
Did you move around a lot as a kid or something?
 
I think I'm slightly rhotic in some instances (I can remember working out specific examples a month or so ago), but I'm usually not.
@tchrist My parents are English, and I was brought up on BBC Radio 4. I have an Irish vocabulary (I say grand a lot), but an English accent (and grammar: I don't say I seen).
 
user19161
I don't even know what rhotic is, LOL.
 
Of, relating to, or denoting a dialect or variety of English, e.g., Midwestern American English, in which r is pronounced before a consonant (as in hard) and at the ends of words (as in far)
 
Oddly, my younger brother and sister both sound significantly more Irish than I do, perhaps because they're both more extroverted than I am.
 
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2:22 PM
@Luke Oh, OK, I know what rhotic is now.
 
@TRiG Oh that would do it. I knew an Irish family living in London where the girl was non-rhotic but her two brothers were rhotic. They were not trying to fit in, but she was.
 
user19161
Due to the influence of American television, many people here adopt a slightly rhotic accent.
 
@JasonBourne I don’t even know what ʟᴏʟ is, rhotic.
 
user19161
It sounds very silly and pretentious.
 
Rhotic accents, pretentious? Come again?
 
user19161
2:24 PM
Read the previous line.
 
It is pretentious to discard a prestige dialect?
How does that work?
 
user19161
Well, some r's are pronounced, some are not. It becomes a huge mess.
 
user19161
These people can just speak the way they usually do, but they try to copy what they hear on TV, and then it sounds very stupid.
 
Nonrhotic speakers pronounce some r’s, too, including ones that aren’t there.
 
@tchrist I don't think my siblings were consciously trying to fit in. It's perfectly possible that I was subconsciously trying not to fit in.
(I was a slightly odd child.)
 
2:27 PM
Slightly?
 
@TRiG The child is father to the man. :)
 
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I consciously try not to sound like those people, so as not to sound pretentious.
 
It does mean that I have had the conversation "When did you move here?" "Actually, I was born here" more times than I can count.
@tchrist Indeedy.
 
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@TRiG Indeedy?
 
user19161
Is adding y the new English?
 
2:28 PM
@JasonBourne But doesn’t it sound pretentious to try not to sound like those around you? ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
@JasonBourne Nope, it’s old-timey. ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
user19161
@tchrist Like linky.
 
@JasonBourne Don’t make me cite the OED at you, Jasper. ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
user19161
@tchrist Someone used "pretentiously unpretentious" to describe me.
 
@JasonBourne Quite posiblyy.
 
@Luke you stole my line!!!!
Plagiarism!
 
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2:33 PM
@RegDwighт Deja vu!
 
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Q: All mods are equal, but some mods are more equal than others

RegDwighт/about: Dear Jin, this is funny and all, but... but... BUT! (Opera, Chrome, Firefox; Vista.)

 
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@RegDwighт I stole your Ouvert et haut !
 
You steal everything that's not hiding in the trees at the count of three.
 
the about page is all new and swish and animated!
 
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@MattЭллен Where?
 
2:36 PM
@MattЭллен Do you mean swish or swash? ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
@RegDwighт It was a good line
And it's not copied verbatim
 
Oh, so you were aware of my question.
 
@tchrist swoosh
 
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@MattЭллен Where is the link to it from main?
 
2:37 PM
in Teachers' Lounge, 1 hour ago, by Luke
16
Q: All mods are equal, but some mods are more equal than others

RegDwighт/about: Dear Jin, this is funny and all, but... but... BUT! (Opera, Chrome, Firefox; Vista.)

 
@MattЭллен What, Jasper comes with sound effects now? ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
I've got a perfect 777 now
And another badge
 
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@Luke That is 3 times 7 times 37, amazing!
 
How is that perfect? It's off by 111.
 
Well, well, well. Would you look at that?
 
2:38 PM
@JasonBourne uh. And you have any reps on Maths? Fascinating.
 
@RegDwighт You just had to bring that up...
 
@KitFox someone get a shiny new brooch?
 
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@RegDwighт And 37 is the number of strokes in my Chinese name. I am heaven bound.
 
@RegDwighт And you are off by one! ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
@KitFox Now kiam is covering you up on that page!
 
2:39 PM
I am never off by one. I am one.
 
user19161
@KitFox Congrats!!!
 
An army of one.
 
hunts up his Mersenne generator
 
user19161
I shall give Kit some presents to celebrate this occasion...
 
@JasonBourne Kit has no need of your presence. ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
2:41 PM
NO voting abuse!
 
SOME voting abuse
 
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@Luke I have done too much already, no turning back for the wicked...
 
Do I have to report you?
 
you're the mod! you should know.
 
I mean to the ELU mods
I have no jurisdiction there
 
2:42 PM
0
Q: Practical meaning of "Sale"

ShipluIts not uncommon that you walk on the street you see there are big malls hanging big billboard containing only "Sale". Sometimes, Summer Sale, Winter Sale. In every case you get XX% price off there. If I ask you Hey, is there any sale running on Nike? what do you think? I asked you if Nike ...

Wut.
 
given that an EL&U mod just went around voting up answers to get a badge...
 
Did she?
 
I don't know what you are talking about.
 
I thought she wanted to post nine more answers first.
 
user19161
Upvotes are not malicious. If they are not removed by the script, doing a few a day is fine.
 
2:44 PM
5 mins ago, by KitFox
Well, well, well. Would you look at that?
 
@JasonBourne I upvote every post of yours thrice.
 
user19161
I only upvote good answers. I see no problem there.
 
@KitFox well thank you for messing with my stats.
pouts
 
Bwahahaha!
 
user19161
Considering that Kris can get 10k, I think Kit should get 100k!
 
2:44 PM
No quoting the ODO in this chat.
 
misquoting
 
It needed to be divisible by seven. I just helped.
 
@MattЭллен there's no misquoting without quoting, so.
 
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@kit Check your profile for the presents.
 
2:46 PM
@RegDwighт that's so sexist. what about misterquoting? hmmm?
 
@JasonBourne Goodness, I'd think you'd have nothing left to give.
 
@MattЭллен no misterquoting without quoting and misquoting.
That is sexist.
5
A: Adjective for "character" or "alphabet"

RegDwighтThe idiomatic way of saying this is, You can't spell women without men. One example from popular culture that comes to mind is from Simpson Tide, the 197th episode of The Simpsons: Marge: A dishonorable discharge. It's the best we could've hoped for! Homer: You can't spell 'dishonora...

 
This is not
 
@RegDwighт You’re number three on the hit parade.
 
I know.
I don't work for free.
 
2:49 PM
Just thought I’d help ya out.
 
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@tchrist What's that?
 
Actually I'm wondering right now, can you be a harbinger of a trend?
I thought you could only be a harbinger of a result. Like, doom. Or demise. Or death.
 
@RegDwighт Sounds like Marge is referring to some wet dream of Homer’s.
@RegDwighт Cassandra, then.
 
0
Q: He is me. Is this correct?

JulieReferring to a picture, the question is "Who is he?" The answer I got back was "he is me". Is that correct? Should it be It is me??? What do you mean my question does not meet your quality standards?

 
Who ruined my perfect 777?!
 
2:51 PM
> What do you mean my question does not meet your quality standards?
I think the answer to that is a clear yes.
 
user19161
LOL
 
ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
I'm sorry, I must have missed the birth of that meme.
 
ROFL I upvoted Kris as I was playing for the sportsman badge before I knew I couldn't get it yet, and he's come along and downvoted me because of it (i.e. he saw he got an upvote on an answer and visited the question)
 
user19161
@tchrist In small caps too.
 
2:52 PM
@MattЭллен serves you right for messing with the system.
 
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@MattЭллен LOL
 
I r a fuel
 
@RegDwighт Jasper keeps splooging us with inscrutable instances of LOL. I never understand WTF kids are doing when they do that. Jasper does not know what rhotic indicates. So I am using something I do know what means as a means of revenge upon his trendifoopery. ʀʜᴏᴛɪᴄ
 
user19161
It is high time for Rob and Reg to be Sportsmen.
 
@MattЭллен So very Krissy.
 
2:56 PM
@JasonBourne I have 111 competing answers. Rob has 568. Barrie has 649.
 
user19161
@RegDwighт Ah, nobody wants to compete with you!
 
No, they just have OVER 9000 times more answers than me.
 
user19161
I wonder when Kris will get the Sportsmanship Badge...
 
Actually that's not a no. That's a "Yes, plus".
 
@JasonBourne After me.
 
user19161
2:58 PM
@MετάEd Yes, yes.
 
user19161
They should give me the change-avatar-and-username badge, LOL.
 
@JasonBourne We need a caprochromatic badge for 100 subzero answers so we can award it to Kris.
 
user19161
@tchrist Also, a LOL badge and a RHOTIC badge.
 
@JasonBourne ah yes, the RuPaul badge.
He even looks like Mariah, too.
 
user19161
Haha, I just realised that the beautiful lady I mentioned just now has an account on ELU as well, but only one answer and no question.
 
user19161
3:03 PM
Jon Hanna is answering many questions these few days.
 
user19161
Why do so many people on this site have beards?
 
beards are great.
they separate those who can grow them from those who can't
 
user19161
Nonsense!
 
it makes perfect sense
 
@JasonBourne Because of how many Unix programmers there are here.
 
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3:09 PM
@matt I have not emailed you for 9000 years!
 
user19161
@tchrist What does Unix have to do with beards?
 
@JasonBourne Please tell me you’re rhoticking.
 
user19161
@tchrist No, I really don't get it. Unix is Unix, beard is beard. I see no relation.
 
user19161
@tchrist LOL
 
3:11 PM
 
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@tchrist Note that I am not familiar with UD at all.
 
@tchrist I've been working on mine since maybe Thanksgiving. It's seasonal, sort of a winter coat.
 
That is of course Ed Gould for you chillins.
> A Unix beard is an elder god which has a parasitic relationship with elite users of Unix or Linux. Smug, fat, old, unix-adoring fucks who couldn't escape the gravity their social class. Contrary to the belief of many, Rob Levin is no unix beard. Richard Stallman on the other hand, is basically their pope.
 
@JasonBourne his user ID is 14666. Nuff said.
 
3:13 PM
 
user19161
@tchrist I know who he is.
 
There, got it now?
 
user19161
Where is a picture of tchrist?
 
user19161
I think the one on the left is Robusto and the one on the right is Reg.
 
@JasonBourne there are lots of pictures, I'm surprised you haven't found them all already
 
3:18 PM
something's not right...
 
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@MattЭллен I know who he is too.
 
@tchrist That's his "come hither" look.
 
user19161
@tchrist I know who he is too.
 
What color are my eyes?
 
user19161
3:20 PM
I see a similarity between the last two pics. Both have no beards.
 
@JasonBourne Both have shadows.
And a smirk.
But the Finn is a lot more palid than the Dane. Odd, that.
 
user19161
But those glasses above, they are really huge.
 
Ken’s?
 
@JasonBourne They're for vision, not for style.
 
user19161
They remind me of my chemistry laboratory safety goggles, LOL.
 
3:23 PM
Jun 15 '11 at 12:35, by RegDwight
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I have the bestest beard.
 
Great, now that we know where you live and what you look like, we can all make great fake IDs!
 
ra-ra-rasp-u-dwight!
 
user19161
@RegDwighт Stop playing with your beard.
 
I hate to be naysayer. . . .
0
Q: What is the class of things that includes “new” and “existing”?

jl6I'm trying to name a database attribute that might take the value "new" or "existing". What is an appropriate name? Something like "newity"? What is the relevant concept?

So I shan’t touch that one.
 
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@tchrist Hmm, I am thinking it could be considered off-topic, maybe.
 
3:28 PM
Status, age, NewExt42, Susan...
 
user19161
But I think I will leave it open, and maybe think of an answer...
 
@RegDwighт We do not usually include our passwords on our IDs in my country.
 
user19161
Hey @corn!
 
@tchrist Ha! But it's my password backwards!
 
@JasonBourne s/\Q..//
Why is at that every time I read the un-Oxford spelling emphasises I think some Gollum didn’t know how to write emphases?
 
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3:33 PM
@tchrist Your pic is the most handsome one of them all above. =)
 
No flirting in this chat.
 
@JasonBourne I am not currently in search of an intimate relationship, but I will put you on the queue.
jinx
 
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@RegDwighт I see your new picture.
 
Have a medal.
 
@RegDwighт It is tested?
 
3:37 PM
@RegDwighт How do you do that with your tail?
 
@MετάEd It’s from his talpine heritage.
 
user19161
Let's hope no hell breaks loose with this change @reg.
 
The strigine thing is just part of his deep cover.
Like a fox amongst the hens.
Who is actually a pleasant pheasant not a furtive fox, but no one knows that.
feels a Danny Kaye moment coming on
 
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@tchrist Are you familiar with the Liberation fonts? What do you think of them? Ugly?
 
@JasonBourne No and n/a, respectively.
And until I analyse their glyph counts, their OT features, and their font metrics, I shall say nothing of them.
By their numbers shall ye know them.
I have never to date seen a “free” font that’s professionally suitable.
Except for very small purposes, not for an entire book.
 
@RegDwighт Impressive.
Wow, ELL is very close to starting up. I can't wait!
 
I think I should edit @tchrist's answer to read "ogre".
 
And then someone will swoop in and change "ogre" to "orgy".
 
That would be @KitFox.
 
I had written her name in place of "someone", but then I replaced it out of respect.
 
4:07 PM
I'll do it, but I'll misspell it "orange".
 
well now we know, it won't be a surprise
 
@MattЭллен I try not to surprise anybody. I live in Texas; you tend to get shot when you do that.
Around here, when we tell you what we're going to tell you, then we tell you, then we tell you what we told you, it's just self preservation.
 
Barrie England 1918 649 530
Robusto 1494 568 467
Kris 692 283 223
Colin Fine 517 187 153
Gnawme 375 196 144
Cerberus 423 183 143
TimLymington 464 174 139
JLG 372 175 135
Callithumpian 320 181 133
mgb 394 160 125
JeffSahol 317 145 117
RegDwighт 389 150 111
bib 305 146 110
chaos 289 143 103
nohat 284 146 94
The top 15 people still without a Sportsmanship badge.
 
is that from the SEDE or from current data?
 
4:12 PM
The dump is pre-Christmas.
As I said earlier, Kit is on that list at 217 122 91, but she went ahead and got her badge anyway.
 
@RegDwighт Are we going to be penalized for not being good sports, as defined by the badge?
 
what is the third number?
 
Total answers, total competing answers, number of questions they are on.
@Robusto there will be free vodka and hookers. Whether that's a punishment is up to interpretation.
 
number of questions?
 
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@RegDwighт Top by rep?
 
4:16 PM
@RegDwighт Will there be Free Pussy Riot?
 
oh, I get it
 
@Robusto Not as long as Putin is still on the Ritz.
 
user19161
Yay, I answered a question today!
 
@JasonBourne top by "sorted by last number until I got bored and stopped checking the rest".
There's probably another person or two below nohat who do have more than 100 questions, but I can't be arsed to check because that part happens entirely manually.
 
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2
A: "I'm debating" instead of "I'm in a dilemma"

Jason BourneDebate can be used as a verb to mean consider a possible course of action in one’s mind before reaching a decision. For example, Jason debated whether to take the train or the bus to Berlin for his mission.

 
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4:17 PM
I revealed the secrets of my next mission.
 
user19161
Next thing you know, they flag my answer as spam, LOL.
 
@MattЭллен basically you can just ignore the middle number.
It's irrelevant, just a step in the calculations.
 
3
Q: "He is me" — is this grammatical?

JulieReferring to a picture, the question is "Who is he?" The answer I got back was "he is me". Is that correct? Shouldn't it be "It is me"?

Don't we have a canonical for this?
 
For the second part, yes. I vs. me.
But he's asking about the first part. It vs. he.
I don't think anybody has ever asked that weird question.
 
his are I
 
4:25 PM
@MattЭллен Yours is wee.
 
Why do people keep slapping "I hope this helps" onto their stuff?
If you do not hope this helps, then you have no business posting.
 
because they hope it helps
but they are not confident that they will be helpful
it's similar to writing "I tried my best" but less obvious that they probably don't know what they're talking about
 
@RegDwighт It's a way of saying "Don't hurt me."
 
@MattЭллен Meh. That's what votes are there for.
@Robusto it's a way of wasting ginormous amounts of time every single day.
 
@MattЭллен You tried your best? That's loser talk.
 
4:30 PM
30% of the Internet are people posting "hope that helps". The other 70% are porn, subtitled "hope that helps".
 
@RegDwighт You're just pissed that it interferes with your other ginormous wastes of time.
 
Of course.
 
Hey, it's not me who writes it! I don't try my best, I succeed
 
The world is full of meatheads.
 
that's why they're so cheap.
 
4:33 PM
There is nothing more expensive than a cheap product.
 
that's why voting is free
 
@MattЭллен Voting is not free.
Last time I voted, I had to stand in line for two hours.
 
you need more polling stations, or fewer people who give a shit
last time i voted there was no line
 
@MattЭллен More voting machines, I think.
At that location.
When there's a good Democrat on the ticket.
Hey ... where'd Red and Green go.
 
don't you three have traffic light duty about now?
 
4:42 PM
@MattЭллен Yeah, and if they don't show up soon, people will throw Caution to the winds.
 
although I think green turned purple, which will be confusing for motorists
 
@MattЭллен Yeah ... that cow.
I never saw a purple cow. I never hope to see one. But I can tell you anyhow -- I'd rather see than be one.
 
I've seen a purple cow
 
@MattЭллен There's something wrong with you.
 
then there must be something wrong with you too...
 
4:45 PM
Wow. 250 millions for promoting Nike. For a bloke I have never heard of.
 
@MattЭллен: Can you go ping John Lawler from ELU Blog Chat and move him along toward becoming a blogger there? He's beginning to think the game is not worth the candle.
 
is he in chat?
I can't super ping people
maybe I can invite him...
 
Wow. And I thought you could super ping. Feet of clay.
 
I've invited him to the room
 
4:48 PM
@MattЭллен Great jumping pickles, what's that.
@DavidWallace Hello, Red. What did you do to Green?
 
@MετάEd the E4 (UK TV channel) comedy tent at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival
 
BTW, saw The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey yesterday. I got to the "An Unexpected Pause" part. Really, what a waste of time. Peter Jackson flashes a lot of special effects at us and calls that a movie. He'd better be careful, because he's in danger of becoming George Lucas.
 
@MattЭллен Edinburgh Fringe? That's gilding the lily.
@Robusto Have you ever seen them in the same room at the same time?
 
who doesn't like a gilded lily?
 
@MattЭллен Probably not so popular with pigs wearing lipstick.
 
4:54 PM
toodle pip, folks.
 

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